Casino Games or Gambling Considered Sports, really!

[Mauser]

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

I fully agree that Poker is mental game that counts as sports. What about chess? It's also a game that requires you think a lot and anticipate moves of your opponent. The only difference is that there is no betting whereas poker relies a lot on betting money. In my opinion the betting aspect in poker has no real influence if it is a sport or not. What makes poker a mental sport is that it has fixed rules and a fixed deck of cards you play with. So whatever two cards you are being dealt there is a winning probability that you need to calculate. Playing poker for a longer period of time requires a lot of concentration and is exhausting. In my country there are no other casino games considered a sport. This is probably the case due poker being different from all the other casinos games. In almost all the games you play against the house, whereas in poker you play against other people. And in all the casino games the house has an advantage over the player, which would make it difficult to have sport made out of it, most of the time the casino would be winning.

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[coolcoinz]

Pool is a sport, that's not new to me. Bowling is also a sport, so is golf, so why not pool. It requires skill and precision, just like golf, bowling, and many other sports, like shooting or archery.
As far as poker goes, it requires a lot more luck than what is traditionally considered a sport, but I can understand that people are considering it a sport, because you can simply be good at it.
Every activity that you can compete in and where skill level rises with time and knowledge of the game can be considered a sport.

[BitcoinPanther]

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

I fully agree that Poker is mental game that counts as sports. What about chess? It's also a game that requires you think a lot and anticipate moves of your opponent. The only difference is that there is no betting whereas poker relies a lot on betting money. In my opinion the betting aspect in poker has no real influence if it is a sport or not. What makes poker a mental sport is that it has fixed rules and a fixed deck of cards you play with. So whatever two cards you are being dealt there is a winning probability that you need to calculate. Playing poker for a longer period of time requires a lot of concentration and is exhausting. In my country there are no other casino games considered a sport. This is probably the case due poker being different from all the other casinos games. In almost all the games you play against the house, whereas in poker you play against other people. And in all the casino games the house has an advantage over the player, which would make it difficult to have sport made out of it, most of the time the casino would be winning.

Poker is categorized mental sport because the strategy relies on the psychological approach to how they can bluff and defeat their opponent, how they can decide about standing, hitting, etc. to beat their opponent.  Since in poker, the strategy uses the mind more than physical exertion that is why it is called a mental game and not due to fixed rules or whatsoever.

[qwertyup23]

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

In the Philippines, cock fighting has been consistently practiced by by gamblers to the point that it gets televised regularly. Though the game itself is much more of a gamble than a sport, most people view it as such. In addition, the barrier of entrance to participate in betting is easier and regulated by the government itself, which makes it truly a "sport-game" compared to most card gambling games.

Basketball is a sport which is considered the heart of Filipino games. Many of our countrymen play and see the sport as the "main sport" that everybody uses. You would see tons of courts in the streets which are consistently being used by many. As the case may be, betting in official games have been a consistent practice done by many.

[robelneo]

I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

They considered it as sports betting that can be played in casino halls because it did not occupy a large space and there are many players who bet with each other and bettors that will bet on their favorite player and it's considered legal, here in our country pool is so popular because the greatest pool player of all time happens to be our countryman, the pool is not only played in casinos here, you can find it on malls on every gaming and recreational establishment, it's considered as a gambling, sports, and recreational events. 

the greatest Pool player of all time

[Doell]

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

Yeah Poker in my country is a sports, 2018 there was an official event also held to go international, but few were interested in being an athlete bcause basically people believe that games use a cards are gambling. Even though it is clearly legalized by the government as a sport and even the world, but people at my country often abuse the game with money.

[alegotardo]

I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

"This is the official campaign to bring billiards as an additional sport to the Olympic Games Paris 2024. The World Confederation of Billiards Sports (WCBS) is running a campaign to prove the worthiness of billiard sport to the International Olympic Committee."

https://twg2022.com/international-federation-news/bringing-billiards-to-the-olympic-games-2024/

For now these are the ones that have official status considered sports.

• Poker.
• Billiards. Pool. Cue sports

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Anyone who thinks that sport is just what makes people sweat a lot is wrong.

Any game of dice, cards, or the like that generates a "competition" between two or more people should be considered a sport and be given due respect and incentives just like any other.

The only problem I see with making these sports "official" is that they often fail to become a pleasurable challenge and are quickly taken over by those who think only about making money above all else.

[Darker45]

Personally, I don't agree in categorizing poker under sports. Of course, the game is not purely luck-based. There's an element of skill and mental prowess that is involved. But in a competition where the level of skill is the ultimate measure, poker is simply different. In a game of poker, luck is the ultimate measure. However excellent your bluffing skill may be, if the opponent has the best hand possible, he/she will call every raise that you'll make and you will lose. That's how a poker game goes.

[xSkylarx]

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When did billiard was classified as a casino game? Luck is not neccessary in billiards. The gambling part of it is what we called sportsbetting like what we do to other games like basketball or soccer.

Most games on a casino highy depends on luck and doesn't require some skill to win so they can't really be considered a sport unlike poker which involves some skill like bluffing that can make you win even if you have the bad card. And according to the link below, poker is currently the only form of gambling to be considered as a sport.

https://upswingpoker.com/is-poker-a-sport-or-a-game/

[bittraffic]

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When did billiard was classified as a casino game? Luck is not neccessary in billiards. The gambling part of it is what we called sportsbetting like what we do to other games like basketball or soccer.

Most games on a casino highy depends on luck and doesn't require some skill to win so they can't really be considered a sport unlike poker which involves some skill like bluffing that can make you win even if you have the bad card. And according to the link below, poker is currently the only form of gambling to be considered as a sport.

https://upswingpoker.com/is-poker-a-sport-or-a-game/

Poker is considered a sport seems odd but if so then maybe Blackjack as well, playing this game will also make you think and you also need skills for this game. I only see Poker Sports League though, no blackjack. 

Only a few countries I guess consider poker to be sports but it would be fun to see them promote poker on Olympics or Fifa. Would it be acceptable for the organization?

[Wind_FURY]

Poker Recognized as a Skill Game by IMSA
https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-recognized-as-a-skill-game-by-imsa-10821/

If Poker is recognized as a game of skill, then it wouldn't be illegal for any entity to set up a poker game, and take a percentage of the players' winnings as a "fee or rake from the pot"? I have been learning/reading/researching about poker, and one of my research requires watching movies about Poker. Hahaha. One of those movies is "Molly's Game". She was taken by the FBI, because she was accused of running an "illegal gambling" room. She was told that if she did not take a fee/rake from the game, the FBI can't take her. WHY can't she or anyone fight the case by citing Poker is not a gambling game but a skill game?

[rahmad2nd]

Personally, I don't agree in categorizing poker under sports. Of course, the game is not purely luck-based. There's an element of skill and mental prowess that is involved. But in a competition where the level of skill is the ultimate measure, poker is simply different. In a game of poker, luck is the ultimate measure. However excellent your bluffing skill may be, if the opponent has the best hand possible, he/she will call every raise that you'll make and you will lose. That's how a poker game goes.

I agree with you, I personally don't agree with classifying poker as a sport. however, there is no doubt that poker is not roulette or dice that is purely based on luck, playing skills play an important role in poker, poker requires seriousness or a complex intellectual game, which all depends on knowledge and experience.

The reason I say poker doesn't fall into the category of sports is, firstly, poker is played for money, and the only significant indicator of success is the amount of money won.
In poker, I can win a lot or lose a lot. and this is a sign of gambling, secondly, Poker is played in a casino, that is, where gambling is usually played.

[fortunecrypto]

I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

I'm not a poker player and I love watching pool but I don't consider poker as a sports game, the pool can be considered a sport because it is played in sporting events like the SEA games in Asia.
You can have a certain skill in poker but its still a luck-based game, and I don't think that a game that is played using cards can be considered a sport, anything that involves a card are luck-based game and no way can be treated as sports.

[chaser15]

Just for clarification for the OP's question regarding "What casino games are sports in your country?" , does it mean those games/sports that were being played exactly in the casino but began to consider it as sports and already included in sports events?

I'm not aware that billiards before are mostly played in a casino hall. Even if does, I think that was already a usual sport before. Our country is known for having good billiards players since the classic year that's why I was surprised that billiards is actually a casino game, maybe in some countries.

You just give me a trivia there, OP.

...! without depth is a simple and open question, on the other hand billiards is a game where you bet, a casino organizes an event or simply players put money on the table, what do you call the spaces that have billiard tables?

Billard Casino, Bergisch Gladbach, Germany.
Address: Overather Str. 56, 51429 Bergisch Gladbach, Germany

If you don't know casinos that have pool tables, give it a GS.  

That's why I mentioned that you just gave me a trivia there. Thanks for that.

But still, I can't consider that question of yours as simple, at least here in our country, since, in the very beginning, we treat billiards here as a sport, not a casino game. We have lots of established billiard champions here already making it nonsense to think that billiards is considered casino games before.

About your last statement, is that the reason you want to emphasize why billiards is a casino game before? If yes, in what country?

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But still, I can't consider that question of yours as simple, at least here in our country, since, in the very beginning, we treat billiards here as a sport, not a casino game. We have lots of established billiard champions here already making it nonsense to think that billiards is considered casino games before.

Billiard should be considered sport, if table tennis is seen as sport, why billiard not considered as sport too, billard is sport has it fits the sport category than being a casino. That is why in many countries, billard is considered sport. But if billard is listed on any sport betting site, this does not change the rules and everything about it, even if it is in the category of sport or casino.

[KTChampions]

Poker won't be considered as a sport by a reputable organization. To determine whether or not a game can be competitive is easy.
If I play 100 chess matches with a grand master, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 pool matches with a pro pool player, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 poker rounds with a pro poker player, the result will be unknown... it depends on how many I draw great cards.

Yes, this is true, but in chess there are often situations (they are called complications) that cannot be calculated (during a game with a limited time resource) and if a player chooses them, then with certain reservations this can be called gambling. And if, for example, a master plays against a grandmaster, then in such murky situations the master will gain an advantage in a certain number of cases. But of course, when compared to poker, all poker is such a murky situation 

[YOSHIE]

So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

In my country, billiards has become a favorite sporting facility for lovers of billiards, many facilities are provided by the owner, such as Score Girl, To have an attraction for visitors, basically the pool game arena is a sports facility, but lately billiards have been made like a hidden casino gambling.

If you ask about traditional sports in my country, there are many, but it is just a tradition, not worldwide, billiards is certainly one of the sports recognized by (KONI) and internationally, actually billiards in my country as a means of sports and tournaments, but many are misused as a means of gambling, not a few if caught being used as gambling Casinos will lead to trial.

[coin-investor]

Poker won't be considered as a sport by a reputable organization. To determine whether or not a game can be competitive is easy.
If I play 100 chess matches with a grand master, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 pool matches with a pro pool player, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 poker rounds with a pro poker player, the result will be unknown... it depends on how many I draw great cards.

That's the best comparison if its a sport there should be levels and categories you cannot fit newbies to higher level players because the results will be obvious and it's unfair but in a game like a poker even newbies have a chance to win against players who's been recognized to play for a long time, the result should be based on skill and little luck is present if it's all about luck then its gambling and cannot be considered as sport.

[ethereumhunter]

I think it's obvious that sports and gambling are different. Sport is an activity that does not involve money; no one else spends money to choose who wins. But gambling is an activity that uses money and can choose anything to bet on, other than using sports to bet and choose who will be the winner. But sports and gambling are both entertaining activities for people who can enjoy them.

And it creates some questions about why Billiard and poker are included in sports games as it was not known to be like that.
I have no argument as the criteria fit them and make them be called sports games as we know that Billiard is also like any sports games that require skills and possibly the basis for this. But talking about Poker, that is something different as I considered this gambling like any of these card games.

Maybe the skill of playing poker is almost the same as sports in general, so people include poker and billiards in the sport. But I also don't know why billiards and poker are included in sports games. Or maybe because media is used to play so that it is included in the sport. But whatever it is, we will follow what has been compiled by people who are competent in their fields and call it a sport.

[bitzizzix]

Yes, the sport that the OP mentioned and is officially categorized as a skill based game, and the outcome of the match mainly depends on the player's skill, expertise, knowledge and understanding of the game.
and skill is the main factor in the outcome, not luck or chance. As is the case with poker, where there is more skill involved, a strong mentality, as well as a strategy to be last.