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August 04, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
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I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

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"This is the official campaign to bring billiards as an additional sport to the Olympic Games Paris 2024. The World Confederation of Billiards Sports (WCBS) is running a campaign to prove the worthiness of billiard sport to the International Olympic Committee."
https://twg2022.com/international-federation-news/bringing-billiards-to-the-olympic-games-2024/

For now these are the ones that have official status considered sports.
  • Poker.
  • Billiards. Pool. Cue sports

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The International Federation of Match Poker (IFMP) is the governing body of sports poker, promoting poker and its Match Poker™ variation as a skill game and a mind sport. Having evolved from its original seven member nations to more than 50 federations, IFMP is now the hub for a thriving world poker community.
https://matchpokerfed.org

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  • Confederação Brasileira de Texas Hold'em ( Brazil)
  • Dansk Pokerforbund ( Denmark)
  • Fédération Française des joueurs de Poker ( France)
  • Stichting Nederlandse PokerBond ( Netherlands)
  • Russian Sport Poker Federation ( Russia)
  • Ukrainian Poker Federation ( Ukraine)
  • UK Poker Federation ( United Kingdom)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Match_Poker

Poker Recognized as a Skill Game by IMSA
https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-recognized-as-a-skill-game-by-imsa-10821/

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A "Billiards" category encompassing pool, snooker, and carom has been part of the World Games since 2001.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sports

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WCBS is the world governing body for the Billiards Sports of Carom, Pool and Snooker. Our aim is to bring these sports to the Olympic arena and unite the global Billiards community.
https://wcbs.sport


So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

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August 04, 2022, 05:00:51 PM
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What casino games are sports in your country?
If we consider sports traditionally as anything that offers some sort of platform for competition between two parties say individual or team, we can refer and consider some of our local casino games like blackjack, Baccarat as sports although not having full recognition yet by the the appropriate sports body. In my country, people play these competitively and you can sometimes see two persons who walk into a casino to play these games with both of them having the intention to prove that they are better at the game, this competitive nature is the same for all sports.

It is my opinion that as things change and more interest are represented on the Olympic stage, there will be vacancy for the inclusion of more casino games like blackjack and baccarat as a sport between countries to compete for a medal, it is very possible.

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August 04, 2022, 05:09:12 PM
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Skill-based casino games can probably count as sports, although it is obvious that other games such as dice, slots, and roulettes would not qualify. When we mention sports, basketball, boxing, and the likes come into play. Chess is considered a sport, although it does not involve lots of physicalities in order to be considered one, just two people using their minds to better the other. In poker or other card games, that is also the case, although luck and randomness play key roles in the success of the players in the game.

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August 04, 2022, 05:35:57 PM
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Billiards isn't a gambling game. It's a game where the most skilled ones win. If it were a gambling game we would see a larger variety of players on top positions, since they would rely on luck, instead of skills.

Just because people gamble on billiards' results, it doesn't mean it can't be considered a sport. Billiards is a sport people bet just like soccer, basketball, tennis, boxing and so on.

Regards poker, I believe it was a maneuver to legalize the activity in Brazil, while not legalizing another gambling categories of games, and consequently casinos.

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August 04, 2022, 05:38:37 PM
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I think some games like Billiards should be considered sports, but I do not see any reason that games like Blackjack should be considered sports, no energy is required in such competition. Although if tournaments like the Olympics want to include some casinos as sports games, there would be more people in the competition, this will redefine what sports are actually about. In my opinion, games like the Blackjack category should not be considered sports games.

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August 04, 2022, 05:44:15 PM
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What casino games are sports in your country?
chess isn't really a gambling game but I grew up seeing people bet on it. it is also considered a sport in my country.

seeing poker recognised as a sport immediately reminded me of chess. also, It's kind of funny how the United Kingdom recognize poker as a sport(specifically "mind/mental sport") but does not recognize chess as a sport despite chess being more of a mental sport than poker, I wonder what are their reason for not recognising chess as a sport.

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August 04, 2022, 05:45:12 PM
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Sports is something where we need to utilize our skills. Poker requires skills without any doubt and its same with billiards. Any other card games also require mental skill and strong observation power. So these can be considered as sports for sure.

However, slots or Plinko or coin flip games are purely luck based. People usually play them for leisure. These can't be considered to have a sports tag. In my country, both Cricket and football are very famous sports in gambling circuit.

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August 04, 2022, 06:02:19 PM
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I didn't know that they considered it as sports in some countries. Billiards is common but how did that became a casino game? I don't think it can be with that. As for your question though, I don't think it's quite common with my country to consider casino games as sports though.

I like the idea on making some casino games into a olympic type thing or something.

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August 04, 2022, 06:15:07 PM
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I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

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"This is the official campaign to bring billiards as an additional sport to the Olympic Games Paris 2024. The World Confederation of Billiards Sports (WCBS) is running a campaign to prove the worthiness of billiard sport to the International Olympic Committee."
https://twg2022.com/international-federation-news/bringing-billiards-to-the-olympic-games-2024/

For now these are the ones that have official status considered sports.
  • Poker.
  • Billiards. Pool. Cue sports

Sources:
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The International Federation of Match Poker (IFMP) is the governing body of sports poker, promoting poker and its Match Poker™ variation as a skill game and a mind sport. Having evolved from its original seven member nations to more than 50 federations, IFMP is now the hub for a thriving world poker community.
https://matchpokerfed.org

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  • Confederação Brasileira de Texas Hold'em ( Brazil)
  • Dansk Pokerforbund ( Denmark)
  • Fédération Française des joueurs de Poker ( France)
  • Stichting Nederlandse PokerBond ( Netherlands)
  • Russian Sport Poker Federation ( Russia)
  • Ukrainian Poker Federation ( Ukraine)
  • UK Poker Federation ( United Kingdom)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Match_Poker

Poker Recognized as a Skill Game by IMSA
https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-recognized-as-a-skill-game-by-imsa-10821/

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A "Billiards" category encompassing pool, snooker, and carom has been part of the World Games since 2001.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sports

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WCBS is the world governing body for the Billiards Sports of Carom, Pool and Snooker. Our aim is to bring these sports to the Olympic arena and unite the global Billiards community.
https://wcbs.sport


So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

It's a bit confusing how you conflate a more active sport, like billiards where you at least have to get up, be a bit flexible and navigate around the table with poker which is purely a card game. It would be better to compare it against something like chess. Poker is definitely a game for geniuses at the highest levels but it does already have many large scale tournaments and offerings for all sorts of players. You could throw "esports" out there as a better and more similar example, which takes dexterity and plenty of practice to become the best - but for most games it is not really strenuous physical exercise and they should both be acknowledged for different kind of effort.

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In my opinion, a sports doesn't need to involve physical. Well, most of the sports are physical sports and if there's a physical sports then why there won't be a mental sports like chess and other mental sports though mental sports do require some physical which is to move a chess piece but I know it is nothing compared to basketball and other sports that you have to be active all the time.

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I always think that skill-based gambling games are to be considered sports.  Since poker involves more than 1 person, they are competing against each other, thru various means and even use psychological strategies to bluff their opponent.

In my opinion, a sports doesn't need to involve physical. Well, most of the sports are physical sports and if there's a physical sports then why there won't be a mental sports like chess and other mental sports though mental sports do require some physical which is to move a chess piece but I know it is nothing compared to basketball and other sports that you have to be active all the time.

Poker and chess do involve physical activities but they are too minimal.  We cannot move a piece or check our card if we don't move our fingers or hands and moving any parts of our body is a physical activity.  They also have competitive aspects since players are competing to win.

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August 04, 2022, 08:59:49 PM
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Sports is something where we need to utilize our skills. Poker requires skills without any doubt and its same with billiards. Any other card games also require mental skill and strong observation power. So these can be considered as sports for sure.

However, slots or Plinko or coin flip games are purely luck based. People usually play them for leisure. These can't be considered to have a sports tag. In my country, both Cricket and football are very famous sports in gambling circuit.
Agree with this which where things been involved with skills and knowledge then this is something cant be considered to be a sport and wont be totally be classified as gambling or something
it could changed up.It is really just that certain sports ending up on being attached with gambling due to betting but in overall it is a different story honestly.
I dont see for those casino games to be called as sports yet we know that there's no skill been involved on this one.So its just really that normal
to make out those words basing up on what we had observed or simply via seeing on whats happening with our very own eyes.

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Sports is something where we need to utilize our skills. Poker requires skills without any doubt and its same with billiards. Any other card games also require mental skill and strong observation power. So these can be considered as sports for sure.

However, slots or Plinko or coin flip games are purely luck based. People usually play them for leisure. These can't be considered to have a sports tag. In my country, both Cricket and football are very famous sports in gambling circuit.

I greatly agree that skill-based gambling games such as poker should be considered sports.  The only thing that makes people hesitant to think of poker as a sport is the physical activity since most believe that sports thing should have great physical activities.

In my opinion, a sports doesn't need to involve physical. Well, most of the sports are physical sports and if there's a physical sports then why there won't be a mental sports like chess and other mental sports though mental sports do require some physical which is to move a chess piece but I know it is nothing compared to basketball and other sports that you have to be active all the time.

But the thing is the definition of sports is more on physical activities.
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sport - an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
 

But thinking of the definition..

Poker and chess do involve physical activities but they are too minimal.  We cannot move a piece or check our card if we don't move our fingers or hands and moving any parts of our body is a physical activity.  They also have competitive aspects since players are competing to win.

Both game involves physical exertion and skill and is competing with one another.  So basically it is the right call to acknowledge Poker as a sport.
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There is definitely a fine line separating gambling from so called games of skill. Some say fantasy sports should be categorized games of skill rather than gambling. In the USA some states have outright banned fantasy sports platforms like fanduel and draftkings which some view as a controversial policy.

Participants in fantasy sports compete against each other. Rather than sports outcomes. Which could designate it a game of skill rather than gambling.

I think a debate might also be had on whether investments like stocks and bonds might be considered gambling considering the potential for unexpected events, bubbles and market collapse.

Risk and reward have always been strongly correlated. We have come to dislike risk and consider it an unfortunate circumstance. But the greater rewards are available through it which tends to complicate matters.
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I don't mind that technicality but for me, when we say "casino games" these are mostly luck-based.

What you have pointed out are strategy-based games and these are really sports and not "considered" as sports. It does even have its own big competition throughout its history. Billiard, as one of the examples you refer to, is also part of an international sports event.

What casino games are sports in your country?

Since you have already done some research, can you name more casino games that are considered sports?

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So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?

This puzzled me honestly. If my understanding is correct, you are saying that poker and billiards are considered casino games but now their status is now elevated into real sports? Billiards is a known sport since the very beginning, I don't know that it was a casino game.

Casino games that are sports in our country? I found that question difficult to answer. Casino games for me are the usual casino games.

I'm slowly getting interested to start my own homework too regarding these games.
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What casino games are sports in your country?
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I think that is the point in question, the competitive nature, you have said it well, study the game, do physical activities, have a healthy mind, sit down to play for hours and do it for the simplicity of being designated the best or the number one of your country or maybe in an eventual world championship, that is does it with sports characteristics.



Billiards isn't a gambling game. It's a game where the most skilled ones win. If it were a gambling game we would see a larger variety of players on top positions, since they would rely on luck, instead of skills.
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Billiards is a betting game, if you have not done it, I have bet, on 8-ball and 9-ball, two variants that I like a lot, and believe me the variance exists, but without a doubt it is a game that skill counts and a lot, it is also a game of a lot of strategy.

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Just because people gamble on billiards' results, it doesn't mean it can't be considered a sport. Billiards is a sport people bet just like soccer, basketball, tennis, boxing and so on.
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It is not the point in question, I think you are dispersed in the idea, it is not a question that you bet on who wins, that is another thing or topic.



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I understand you but it is about sportsmanship and basically we would not be competing for money.

And beware, it seems that I am promoting casino games to be a sport, not at all, that is what the debate is about, I am in the same position as you, perhaps, but if you look at it from the point of view of the field of competition simple and the fact of being number 1, is the simplicity of amateur sports.

Perhaps we will have some non-traditional version xgames-casinos  Cool , as happened by chance with these so-called x-games.



What casino games are sports in your country?
chess isn't really a gambling game but I grew up seeing people bet on it. it is also considered a sport in my country.

seeing poker recognised as a sport immediately reminded me of chess. also, It's kind of funny how the United Kingdom recognize poker as a sport(specifically "mind/mental sport") but does not recognize chess as a sport despite chess being more of a mental sport than poker, I wonder what are their reason for not recognising chess as a sport.

It is the heart of the matter, depending on the culture and the country in its adoption this also influences, if more people practice it I suppose that this leads to having positions in positive reference depending on the game in question.

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It's a bit confusing how you conflate a more active sport, like billiards where you at least have to get up, be a bit flexible and navigate around the table with poker which is purely a card game. It would be better to compare it against something like chess. Poker is definitely a game for geniuses at the highest levels but it does already have many large scale tournaments and offerings for all sorts of players. You could throw "esports" out there as a better and more similar example, which takes dexterity and plenty of practice to become the best - but for most games it is not really strenuous physical exercise and they should both be acknowledged for different kind of effort.

I don't know who says that, nobody is comparing them...
...the only thing here is that Poker and the game of billiards are organized in sports federations, and even billiards has Olympic intentions to Paris 2024, whether or not you consider it a physical exercise, in the development of the game itself, It is not conclusive to say that it is not a sport, look at the sources or the information provided.

There are many things today that for the simple fact of putting on a flannel and a bib with the number 10 already feels like a sport, there are many examples, take a look at video games or Drone competitions.


There is definitely a fine line separating gambling from so called games of skill. Some say fantasy sports should be categorized games of skill rather than gambling. In the USA some states have outright banned fantasy sports platforms like fanduel and draftkings which some view as a controversial policy.
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That's right, we are at a point where, as there is an audience for everything and entertainment is the one that commands any thing or event that is organized, seeks to "entangle" or dispose of that fine line as you say.



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Since you have already done some research, can you name more casino games that are considered sports?

I hope that the technique of throwing the dice does not reach the extremes of the situation of cataloging a sport... as I said that is the debate, I asked first...  Wink

In any case, some Casinos their special halls where they bet, therefore many qualify e.g. Backgammon is one, and in fact there are world circuits, etc. In several countries it emerges as a mental sport or alternative sports.

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anything game using cards is always associated with gambling so its interesting Brazil they see it differently. but billiard is always a sport here. we play this games in a usual pub in town.

Jai alai is considered sports but is often associated as gambling.









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August 05, 2022, 03:16:51 AM
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Horse Racing. I'm not really interested, I have never tried this online but I see it present in Bitcoin bookie. People bet all the time offline with horse racing but we also know they consider it sports. Horses are the ones who run so the contribution of the jockeys is just to give the command and lead where the horses go.


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August 05, 2022, 03:33:06 AM
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Horse Racing. I'm not really interested, I have never tried this online but I see it present in Bitcoin bookie. People bet all the time offline with horse racing but we also know they consider it sports. Horses are the ones who run so the contribution of the jockeys is just to give the command and lead where the horses go.
Most of the games involved with animals are of the same. The person gives command and it is the animal that does it. If I'm not wrong horse race is considered as gambling, because of money involvement. Events associated with horse such as horse riding, Dressage, Show Jumping, Polo, Horsemanship, etc seems to be under the sports category.
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