For mods - be a little more careful when handling reports

[Lucius]

I don't know what's going on with mods lately, and despite the fact that it's normal for everyone who works to make mistakes, it's hard for me to believe that some of my reports, which are without a doubt quite clear and meaningful, are marked as "Bad".

It's not even a problem when the report is marked as "Bad" and appropriate action is taken, but if nothing is done and the report is marked as "Bad" does that mean that some mods don't understand that things that have nothing to do with Bitcoin do not belong in the Bitcoin discussion , as well as that those members who offer paid or free services should use the appropriate boards for that?

Example 1

Post SEC Charges 11 People in Alleged $300 Million Crypto Ponzi Scheme was originally posted in the Bitcoin discussion although it is quite evident that it has nothing to do with anything related to Bitcoin. I reported a post that was marked as "Bad" and the topic was left in the Bitcoin discussion until I decided to contact one of the global mods who moved it to the appropriate board.




Example 2

Post MY DAILY BITCOIN TRADING SIGNALS is posted in  Economy > Economics > Speculation and I reported it with the indication that it should be moved to Trading, although it could also be suitable for the Service board. I don't understand why a mod thinks that providing any service is appropriate for the Speculation board, but my report is marked as "Bad".



As someone who is trying to contribute to a better forum, things like this are quite demotivating for me. I repeat once again that I am already used to reports being marked "Bad", but it is not clear to me that nothing is done in such cases.

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[Upgrade00]

I'm not aware of how reports are handled, but there could be a possibility that a mod makes a mistake while trying to take action on a report, marking it as bad rather than good. Such an oversight could be the reason for the obvious wrong calls.

I can see from the screenshots that the two incidents span about a week; 2 wrong calls in 7 days isn't really a bad figure and while mods should be extra careful, errors happen.

[mprep]

IIRC I handled both of these reports. While I do agree that it was an error on my part to mark the first report as bad (somehow I missed the thing being altcoin-related, maybe the images at the bottom didn't load for me; either way I'm sorry for marking it as bad), I still do believe the second report to be bad as the "service" is just a guy posting his Bitcoin price guesses (speculation) for free (which is pretty much what the speculation board is for)

[Charles-Tim]

The second post fit more in trading discussion, but we can say that he is providing free service as well, but he will analyze and speculate what bitcoin price would be in certain period of time. So, it can also be in speculation board as well.

[Lucius]

I'm not aware of how reports are handled, but there could be a possibility that a mod makes a mistake while trying to take action on a report, marking it as bad rather than good. Such an oversight could be the reason for the obvious wrong calls.

The problem is not in "Bad" or "Good" in the sense of how the report is marked, but in the fact that no action was taken in cases that are more than obvious. Also, it's not just my view of the situation, but also how other members see it and whether it will serve as an example to them that they can do similar things.

I can see from the screenshots that the two incidents span about a week; 2 wrong calls in 7 days isn't really a bad figure and while mods should be extra careful, errors happen.

There is more, but I don't want to argue about what someone considers a "low quality topic" and what is not. Bitcoin discussion is a board in which there are many such topics, but if we were to adhere to high standards, at least 50% of the topics in that board should be deleted or moved.

IIRC I handled both of these reports. While I do agree that it was an error on my part to mark the first report as bad (somehow I missed the thing being altcoin-related, maybe the images at the bottom didn't load for me; either way I'm sorry for marking it as bad), I still do believe the second report to be bad as the "service" is just a guy posting his Bitcoin price guesses (speculation) for free (which is pretty much what the speculation board is for)

Thanks for the answer, I honestly did not expect that someone who handled reports would answer. And really, the problem is not that I have collected more bad reports, but that with a little more attention, things like this can be avoided.

Regarding the second report, I would not agree that this topic belongs in Speculation, because such topics can mostly be seen in Trading or Service boards. Speculation is one thing, and that member states very clearly that he provides a free service, which for me personally are two different things.

The time has finally come to fulfil my plan to give daily Bitcoin signals on the Bitcointalk forum.
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I hope my readers benefit from this free service!

[mprep]

Thanks for the answer, I honestly did not expect that someone who handled reports would answer. And really, the problem is not that I have collected more bad reports, but that with a little more attention, things like this can be avoided.

Regarding the second report, I would not agree that this topic belongs in Speculation, because such topics can mostly be seen in Trading or Service boards. Speculation is one thing, and that member states very clearly that he provides a free service, which for me personally are two different things.

The time has finally come to fulfil my plan to give daily Bitcoin signals on the Bitcointalk forum.
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I hope my readers benefit from this free service!

I understand that it's frustrating for an incorrectly placed topic to remain in the wrong board but in the end I handle a lot of reports daily and since I'm a human being, I make mistakes. Which is why I appreciate that you brought your concerns forward since it gives me feedback on what I did wrong and where I should improve.

As for the second report, IMO him re-framing his free and freely posted price predictions as a "service" doesn't change the fact that it's just someone posting price predictions on a Bitcointalk thread which is prime time Speculation material. As for it belonging in Trading Discussion, while other mods might think differently, I strongly disagree that any sort of concrete price prediction / signals / etc. (as opposed to discussing strategies, methods, tools, etc.) belong in that board and if you see any such topics, I'd suggest reporting them.

[UserU]

@mprep, is the system able to amend/ reverse the outcomes from Bad to Good, and vice versa?

If that's possible, then it would resolve this case.

[mprep]

@mprep, is the system able to amend/ reverse the outcomes from Bad to Good, and vice versa?

If that's possible, then it would resolve this case.

I can't do that myself but I've PMed theymos about marking the first report as good.

[UserU]

@mprep, is the system able to amend/ reverse the outcomes from Bad to Good, and vice versa?

If that's possible, then it would resolve this case.

I can't do that myself but I've PMed theymos about marking the first report as good.

Great, that's a mini reassurance for all of us.

Lucius may now sleep well tonight

[Rikafip]

I'm not aware of how reports are handled, but there could be a possibility that a mod makes a mistake while trying to take action on a report, marking it as bad rather than good. Such an oversight could be the reason for the obvious wrong calls.

Mistake I saw happening the most often (at least to me) is that every once in a while report gets marked as good, while no action is taken. Since all this is done manually, no surprise that every once in a while mods forget to delete the post.

Great, that's a mini reassurance for all of us.
Lucius may now sleep well tonight

I don't think that few reports marked as bad was a major concern for Lucius, but the fact that Bitcoin Discussion board is full of topics and posts that shouldn't be there.

[UserU]

I don't think that few reports marked as bad was a major concern for Lucius, but the fact that Bitcoin Discussion board is full of topics and posts that shouldn't be there.

I know, that was merely made in jest.

[Upgrade00]

Mistake I saw happening the most often (at least to me) is that every once in a while report gets marked as good, while no action is taken. Since all this is done manually, no surprise that every once in a while mods forget to delete the post.

A mod would have to explain why that happens, could be a simple oversight as you pointed out.

I'll also like to know what happens when multiple reports on a single post are marked as good, while they have different comments, e.g, one is saying the post is spam to be deleted, and another is saying it's fit in another board.
IIRC, when a report is handled, all reports on that thread gets marked as good.

[hosseinimr93]

I'll also like to know what happens when multiple reports on a single post are marked as good, while they have different comments, e.g, one is saying the post is spam to be deleted, and another is saying it's fit in another board.

If one of reports is handled and the post is deleted, all reports made for that post are automatically handled and marked as good.
Otherwise, all reports made for that post should be handled one by one.
For more information, read the old post made by halab.

[Upgrade00]

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That should be the thread I remember if from, thanks for sharing it again.

I was coming from an angle where the comments of one of the multiple reports was not applicable it that case and could give a false good report to the user.
This is of cause a non issue as a couple sodt good reports don't really matter and mods can possibly handle them separately. I was just curious.

[Lucius]

I understand that it's frustrating for an incorrectly placed topic to remain in the wrong board but in the end I handle a lot of reports daily and since I'm a human being, I make mistakes. Which is why I appreciate that you brought your concerns forward since it gives me feedback on what I did wrong and where I should improve.

I already wrote that it is quite normal to make mistakes, and well-intentioned criticism is always welcome, at least for those who know how to accept it

As for the second report, IMO him re-framing his free and freely posted price predictions as a "service" doesn't change the fact that it's just someone posting price predictions on a Bitcointalk thread which is prime time Speculation material. As for it belonging in Trading Discussion, while other mods might think differently, I strongly disagree that any sort of concrete price prediction / signals / etc. (as opposed to discussing strategies, methods, tools, etc.) belong in that board and if you see any such topics, I'd suggest reporting them.

Noted, so even though I was convinced that I was right, I learned something, so next time I will be more careful with such reports.

Lucius may now sleep well tonight

I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but there's really no need for such an attitude - it's not a matter of bad or good report, I think I was quite clear about what it was actually about.


Thank you @mprep and all the members who participated constructively in this topic.