The US government is targeting mixers. Are BTC mixers next?

[dkbit98]

What are the chances of coinjoin and chipmixer getting in their scope? No service can judge a user and their intention for using their mixer.

It's a strange coincidence that both chipmixer and tornadocash both stop working in similar time, so I would say they are all under coordinated attack of government bullies.
They have the task to totally remove all privacy and anonymity and make them illegal, so anyone who is supporting this activity is indirectly working against himself.
I don't think that only crypto is under attack, next one is probably social networks and anything related with internet activity, payments and digital identity, as well as removing cash as payment option.

Anyhow, we will always have BTC LN for enhanced privacy if you are worried due to this recent news

Maybe LN is still under the radar but if larger amount of coins is moved to LN and liquidity increases, it won't be so hard for them to make Lightning illegal.
Heck they can even make speaking, and walking illegal if they want, so people really need to think if they want to have government like that.

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[DooMAD]

trying to hide gets you noticed more. your actions become the opposite of your intentions

Standard franky1 response, the forum's biggest enemy of freedom and privacy.  He's practically jizzing his pants at the prospect of Bitcoin becoming an authoritarian tool for surveillance, which is why he hates Mixers, the Lightning Network and any developers who believe privacy should be enshrined within the protocol.  I haven't checked, but it wouldn't surprise me if faketoshi has a similar stance on the subject.  Their views always seem to align.  Sinister and deceitful little shits, the pair of 'em.

[cr1776]

Any centralized platform is open to being targeted and destroyed.  Authoritarians the world over don't like privacy for anyone about anything, bitcoin is just one of the targets.  Cash is another - look at the countries trying to limit the amount of cash one uses, reporting larger deposits or withdrawals etc.  Speech is another, look at the fascists/socialists/communists/authoritarians on social media who don't want anonymous speech and want everyone to be verified.  Without the ability to be anonymous, free speech isn't free.

The only response is to have privacy built in the protocol itself.  Otherwise it becomes a flag for suspicious activity for anyone wanting to control bitcoin.  One of the biggest threats to bitcoin is the lack of the ability to be anonymous.

[ChiBitCTy]

I am certainly not surprised by this. One of my biggest worries about/for bitcoin has always been the push or want to move it to an anonymous coin, like Monero. This is a perfect example of why that would be a massive problem for bitcoins global adoption. Governments simply won’t allow for it.

[franky1]

trying to hide gets you noticed more. your actions become the opposite of your intentions

Standard franky1 response, the forum's biggest enemy of freedom and privacy.  He's practically jizzing his pants at the prospect of Bitcoin becoming an authoritarian tool for surveillance, which is why he hates Mixers, the Lightning Network and any developers who believe privacy should be enshrined within the protocol.  I haven't checked, but it wouldn't surprise me if faketoshi has a similar stance on the subject.  Their views always seem to align.  Sinister and deceitful little shits, the pair of 'em.

doomad
the sheep of all sheep hates people that dont kiss ass to toe the party rhetoric of trying to say bitcoin is unfit and thus should be broken more and offramp people away from just using bitcoin as is

you yourself dont want people using bitcoin. but you want them to stop using bitcoin daily. you want them locking funds up into processes that require other people to authorise movements.
yep both wasabi coinjoin and LN require authorisation by other people..
then you think its then perfectly acceptable to spam bitcoin with useless mixer transactions.. hypocrite.
you think there is not enough room for normal use but there is room for multiple wasted transactions for what you pretend is 'privacy'


go play with your altnet and middleman services for profit.
you always fail in your attempts to offer a new service or altnet as a saviour/solution to something. because you dont understand what bitcoins purpose was from the start
bitcoin does not ask for KYC so pretending bitcoin is broke is a fallacy. its not a bitcoin problem.. its a alternate service that people have to opt into that is the things that are causing the problems

the very thing you promote are the things that flag people as suspicious. thus get their data mined and shared even more..

[avikz]

Bitcoin mixers and coinjoin services could be the next target for sure! Mixers are used for enhanced privacy but there's no denying that it could also be used to hide the trail of dirty money and criminal proceeds. It is impossible for a mixer service to understand why the users are using it for. So bitcoin mixers can face the wrath of the US authorities anytime in future.

LN is here now but if they are forced to shut down the nodes, they will be forced to shut down their services as well. I know it's extremely difficult but not impossible!

[2stout]

Without a doubt!  IMHO this is a signal and a harbinger of things to come.  One would have to live in an alternate reality to not consider this.  This is the first domino to fall in the targeting of mixers.

[BlackHatCoiner]

I'm curious to know, how fascist can it go? What's next? Forcing me to use a digital currency wherein I gain zero privacy? Forcing me to have a spying camera in my home? Criminalizing cryptography, natural resources, living normally? All these, as always, for the sake of the "community".


"Ignore" exists for this one reason, damn. And that reason is this crappy fascist piece of shit called franky.

[cryptosize]

trying to hide gets you noticed more. your actions become the opposite of your intentions

Standard franky1 response, the forum's biggest enemy of freedom and privacy.  He's practically jizzing his pants at the prospect of Bitcoin becoming an authoritarian tool for surveillance, which is why he hates Mixers, the Lightning Network and any developers who believe privacy should be enshrined within the protocol.  I haven't checked, but it wouldn't surprise me if faketoshi has a similar stance on the subject.  Their views always seem to align.  Sinister and deceitful little shits, the pair of 'em.

I really don't understand why pro-establishment guys visit this forum, let alone post on it.

Bitcoin has a certain philosophy that attracts a certain target group... if you don't like it, why bother with it?

Maybe someone should register www.cbdctalk.org

[franky1]

funny part is doomad loves centralisation. its why he cries so hard when people dont follow his group mindset

bitcoin never asks for peoples names..
it never asks you to use a middleman service. and it never should

those wanting people to lock funds up and have a co-partner have to agree on payments or a membership ring of people agree on splitting funds, or having to custodianise funds.. is not what bitcoin is about

its easy to spot the greedy immoral and unethical people that want to centralise and break bitcoin by trying to push and force people into these side and sub services while pretending these side and sub services are next get bitcoin or bitcoin 2.0

they are not. they are greedy central crap of gaining control of people and make innocent people look suspicious by swapping good coin for bad coin but pretending its no harm to the good people. when the reality is the opposite

cry all they like that i call them out for their actions.. but i dont care. they need to be called out
if their side services were so private and so independant they would not need other people to join into their schemes

the only reasons the try to pull innocent people into their schemes is because their schemes dont work without innocent people how else will dirty people get clean coin if no clean people use a dirty system
think about it, realise it, just dont fall for it

using mixers and privacy tools will get you flagged as a suspect and then when they see your coin from a mixer is not the clean coin you had but now some dirty coin from some con artist that told you to use a mixer.. now you have even more questions to answer to.. while the con artists, scammers, fraudsters and manipulative freaks are now playing with your old clean coin. not caring about the mess they have handed you.. not their coin not their problem

simply dont be fooled.. mixers do not help you remain private.
bitcoin does not tell a service if you bought a teddy bear, a box of chocolates or a blow up doll.. (using things i imagine doomad doing to prepare for a date(with himself)) .. so he has no worry about bitcoin revealing his sex life.

however by him swapping his coins for someone elses clean coins. he no longer has traces of his 'change' from a sex shop being tracked back to him.. but now someone else is now suspected of mixing and now has to explain that their funds came from shop

[cryptosize]

The only problem with mixers is that exchanges will flag your funds suspicious, whether they're are or not.

With Monero I can deposit XMR on famous exchanges like Binance or Kraken and nobody will care...

Will they ask for KYC? Yeah.

Does it matter (for XMR, not BTC)? No, because tracing funds is not possible, so KYC is useless for privacy altcoins.

Privacy on the protocol level is not bad IMHO, it's just not very popular. And it might hinder BTC's institutional adoption, so it's unlikely to happen.

It's like comparing Linux with security extensions (SELinux) vs OpenBSD.

OpenBSD has those security extensions by default, like XMR has privacy by default.

Using mixers requires jumping hoops... LN is more user-friendly, but it's off-chain. Once you settle those funds on-chain, you're no longer truly anonymous.

I believe both BTC and XMR have a bright future ahead, but for different use cases.

[BlackHatCoiner]

using mixers and privacy tools will get you flagged as a suspect and then when they see your coin from a mixer is not the clean coin you had but now some dirty coin from some con artist that told you to use a mixer..

The fact that you categorize coins to "clean" and "dirty" means you don't treat bitcoin as fungible, which is objectively bad for a currency. You're an enemy for bitcoin, and besides all that anti-privacy and anti-freedom attitude you've revealed so far, this very post definitely proves it, because it isn't a matter of opinions; tainting is just plainly bad and anti-bitcoin.

mixers do not help you remain private.

This is the address I'm using to get paid for wearing the ChipMixer signature: bc1qk03lmlltsp5ulsqjpu84qu394m3mgpqeqkl3vl. I challenge you to trace my spent transaction outputs I've sent to ChipMixer.

bitcoin does not tell a service if you bought a teddy bear, a box of chocolates or a blow up doll..

Ever heard of chain analysis companies?

[coolcoinz]

I like how the secretary thinks that the mixer WAS the terrorist group and that group set up the mixer to launder money. If other laws are also made by mistake because someone thought something about something, we are fucked.

The US can only ban thing on their own land. They can't ban a mixer that operates somewhere in Asia and is accessible all around the world. Look how they wanted to ban torrents. They Closed down TPB, but if you want to get a movie using a torrent, you can do it even easier and faster than in the times of TPB.

[Synchronice]

Developers need to create the kind of privacy feature that can't be abused/misused by criminals including those in government. If you can't develop a privacy application (for example) that is hard to abuse, better not develop at all because you will be creating more problems instead of solving problems without creating more problems.

I believe the only way to avoid the government is to solve problems in the manner listed above.  

That's bullshit. Can you create a knife that can't be abused by criminals? Can government print money that can't be abused by criminals? Can computer manufacturers create computers that can't be abused by criminals?

Pay your taxes guys.

It depends on the country where you live, in some countries where corruption is very high, I think people should do everything to avoid taxes. If I have to pay taxes, then the law should be law for everyone and the taxes should be used to support the interest of countries!
Also, it's very unfair to pay taxes when you are self-employed.

[cryptosize]

Taxes fund the Great Reset agenda and corrupt governments that ruin the whole West.

Sorry, but I do NOT want to pay for that.

[tadamichi]

the reality is adding more "privacy" features to crypto does not make regulators give up and walk away, it makes them step up and move closer to adding more rules of use for crypto

Why is every post about these topics i read from you, caring more about/ defending some stone age/ surveillance loving regulators interest, than caring about Bitcoin/ its users? Theyre laughing about fools like you that buy into this nonsense, that goes against their own interests and still defend it and push this agenda for free.

some idiotic people then pretend that bitcoin is broke by its transparency and want to swap their pretend broke. for a real break by making bitcoin fully untraceable by breaking the transaction chaining of txo's vs utxo's(spent vs unspent) aka taint

Its certain people that are broken, not Bitcoin. Youre differentiating between coins yourself, using words like clean and shady peoples coin. Words from the fascist toolkit, that tries to separate people into good and bad. Even tho these people are simply making use of their rights without any evidence of crime.

Mixers are made to increase privacy and keep the transaction anonymous to keep them away from getting tracked by the governments,

take your tin foil hats off

governments do not have offices of employees actively watching all citizens. FACT
governments have rules where BUSINESSES have to watch their customers. and the BUSINESS has to flag customers the business finds suspicious and report only those suspicious people. FACT

try to read some laws, regulations and MSB policies guides

then realise its the businesses that have the watchlists. and then look into how businesses operate.

a business can share information more freely if said business deems their customer is acting suspicious as it then allows them to bypass 'privacy policy' . by which those businesses can make money out of that data.

its the reason that governments say if you got nothing to hide you got nothing to worry about because governments wont ever see or read about you unless you are doing something suspicious that gets reported to them.

they are not actively watching you daily. they sit and wait for businesses and services to report you to them

Governments found the perfect fool with this one. Keep barking your nonsene, chihuahua. It wont change reality. Im not sure how you were smart enough to get into Bitcoin, but then have complete cognitive dissonance in other topics.

[doomloop]

Mixers are made to increase privacy and keep the transaction anonymous to keep them away from getting tracked by the governments, so, that's very normal to see the governments and not only the US government targeting mixers, because they want to track people as much as they can and mixers are agaist it, that's why it's not surprising to see governments are trying to shut down the bitcoin mixers soon. Generally, it's not new to see the government of the USA is against the mixers.

Not only to avoid getting tracked by the governments but also by some people and companies especially if they did something shady. This news is not new but there are other countries before U.S that did the same thing to the mixers.

I remember some users are worried that popular mixers such as chipmixer are now going to be next but luckily they have survived but I don't know about this one. Maybe they still can since the one that U.S ban there are eth based mixers but mixers like chipmixer are I think for bitcoin. We can add another question and that is; will the privacy coins' next? Their brand name which is "privacy" says it all.

[OgNasty]

It seems obvious to me that Bitcoin mixers are nothing more than money laundering.  I'm a bit surprised they've been allowed to advertise here for so long.  I would guess that is going to come to an end before too much longer.  I just hope that anyone who accepts coins from users of the service don't get their accounts locked on exchanges or have to deal with investigations.  We wanted more regulation and inclusion in the legacy financial systems right?  Be careful what you wish for.  Be aware that the crackdown on mixers has begun.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Be aware that the crackdown on mixers has begun.

So, when crackdown for commercial banks, which at the moment we're talking are responsible for the money laundering of the century?

https://medium.com/kyc-io-scalable-kyc-management-solutions/the-5-largest-money-laundering-scandals-of-all-time-so-far-d30ff4abee10
https://medium.com/technicity/big-banks-are-at-the-front-center-of-money-laundering-of-over-2-trillion-299feea4c58e
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bank-scandal-2020-2-trillion-transaction-suspected-illegal-activity-money-laundering/
https://qz.com/938504/the-top-50-global-banks-allegedly-involved-in-the-20-8-billion-russian-laundromat-money-laundering-scheme/

(That's just from a quick search)

Such a clown user; wanting to shut down privacy enhancing tools, because a minority (or majority, couldn't care less) uses it to launder money. Completely opposed to the freedom and privacy parts of bitcoin, and he's paradoxically been here since the early days.

[cryptosize]

I wonder how the Elites are going to buy drugs & hookers, assuming they shut down all the loopholes in the system. With CBDCs? Yeah, right!

Only socialist fools believe that you can change human nature. Not gonna happen, sorry. Accept human nature with its flaws and vices.