Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards

[Etranger]

This is a good statement. Every local board have their unique problems, sometimes these problems are related to the other and all points to low quality discussion. Since each local board has their unique problems, I believe there are also unique solutions to the locals problems.

Yes. Our thread has some problems too which I mentioned in a couple of threads before. Whenever people see a member from Bangladesh, they think either it's an alt account or a bounty cheater. There are several reasons behind it. Some members were caught cheating in the campaign. Almost 40% of bounty hunters are from Bangladesh and when they discover things like AI, they start to use it without understanding anything. Bangladeshi people who do bounty aren't well in English. Otherwise, they would start contributing to the global boards as well.

The main problem was copy-pasting the news and merit abuse in our thread. A lot of members leave the local thread once they rank up. I am glad that I was the person who alone threatened 12 members in a single post and then suddenly the abuse stopped in our thread. Some of them already left our thread because they have achieved what they wanted. They just used our local community and fooled us.

The abuse is still going on in some mega threads. They send merits to their alts in mega threads where no one notices. I wish someone like Lauda came up and left red tag everywhere. Only then those fu*ckers would stop.

I don't understand which opportunity the try to find in Local Board in this case. If they leave it once they ranked up, why write and spam there in the first place? I got to, that it is easier and more comfortable to become a part of the community through the language which is your native and with people who have common roots with you. But it is not impossible to fill in even without local support at all. For example, I found out the existence of local Ukrainian and Russian communities after quite long time, when I was already familiar with main rules and customs of the forum.

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[Learn Bitcoin]

I don't understand which opportunity the try to find in Local Board in this case. If they leave it once they ranked up, why write and spam there in the first place? I got to, that it is easier and more comfortable to become a part of the community through the language which is your native and with people who have common roots with you. But it is not impossible to fill in even without local support at all. For example, I found out the existence of local Ukrainian and Russian communities after quite long time, when I was already familiar with main rules and customs of the forum.

Because locals always tolerate tiny mistakes. Let's say a new user registered today and copy-pasted some random article in our local thread, in the past days, we were used to asking him to edit it and add the source or delete it. Do you see the tolerance here? Global members would go ahead and report their posts and they would get banned without having a single chance.

We have tolerated many more things in our local thread and that is the reason they were able to abuse every single feature of this forum. Someone has to stand up against them, and I thought it was the perfect time to step up. Luckily it worked and they stopped doing what they were doing for a while.

[Etranger]

Because locals always tolerate tiny mistakes. Let's say a new user registered today and copy-pasted some random article in our local thread, in the past days, we were used to asking him to edit it and add the source or delete it. Do you see the tolerance here? Global members would go ahead and report their posts and they would get banned without having a single chance.

We have tolerated many more things in our local thread and that is the reason they were able to abuse every single feature of this forum. Someone has to stand up against them, and I thought it was the perfect time to step up. Luckily it worked and they stopped doing what they were doing for a while.

Maybe it is the case with your local board. I would not say that is a common thing for every local. For example, in russian local, where I constantly write, the situation is different. Sure, the members there show support and give reasonable advice, but you also come across lots of sarcasm and irony, even intolerance sometimes. I am sure most of local members would not hesitate to report some newbie who is violating forum rules.

[DYING_S0UL]

Because locals always tolerate tiny mistakes. Let's say a new user registered today and copy-pasted some random article in our local thread, in the past days, we were used to asking him to edit it and add the source or delete it. Do you see the tolerance here? Global members would go ahead and report their posts and they would get banned without having a single chance.

We have tolerated many more things in our local thread and that is the reason they were able to abuse every single feature of this forum. Someone has to stand up against them, and I thought it was the perfect time to step up. Luckily it worked and they stopped doing what they were doing for a while.

Maybe it is the case with your local board. I would not say that is a common thing for every local. For example, in russian local, where I constantly write, the situation is different. Sure, the members there show support and give reasonable advice, but you also come across lots of sarcasm and irony, even intolerance sometimes. I am sure most of local members would not hesitate to report some newbie who is violating forum rules.

Spammers/abusers will always try to spam/abuse, that's in their nature. But we don't report them straightway. We tend to give them fair warnings/advice's/2nd chances, but when things gets out of hand we take hard actions against them. That how it is with our local board. That's what LB did for our local board. And surprisingly they stopped.

My personal perspective is that nobody is born a quality forum user/writer. When I first joined this forum, I made many mistakes, but these guys (LB and so on), helped me, guided me. So I want to do the same as they did.

[Etranger]

Spammers/abusers will always try to spam/abuse, that's in their nature. But we don't report them straightway. We tend to give them fair warnings/advice's/2nd chances, but when things gets out of hand we take hard actions against them. That how it is with our local board. That's what LB did for our local board. And surprisingly they stopped.

My personal perspective is that nobody is born a quality forum user/writer. When I first joined this forum, I made many mistakes, but these guys (LB and so on), helped me, guided me. So I want to do the same as they did.

I totally support people helping newbies and not only newbies to become more qualified and educated. But you said it yourself, that spammer will spam, because it is in their nature. I am convinced that a newcomer may not know about the forum rules and customs, but he is definitely aware that plagiarism is not appreciated, because it is not some specific rule precisely for this forum, it is a common thing in real life as well. That is why when I see a newbie, whose first, second post are completely plagiarised, I don't have any desire to explain, why this is wrong and cannot be done here. Because it is general knowledge. And if someone does this, then he does it on purpose, with complete awareness of his action. Why spend time to try to correct such a behaviour when a person doesn't want to do it himself?

[Learn Bitcoin]

Maybe it is the case with your local board. I would not say that is a common thing for every local. For example, in russian local, where I constantly write, the situation is different. Sure, the members there show support and give reasonable advice, but you also come across lots of sarcasm and irony, even intolerance sometimes. I am sure most of local members would not hesitate to report some newbie who is violating forum rules.

I am not only talking about the violations that are in the forum rules. Some other things are not listed on the forum rules but these are frowned upon. There is a thing called ethics and we all should be ethical. Let's talk about how our locals react when they see someone violating forum rules. Let's say a newbie just registered and wrote something that violates the forum rules. Usually, we don't report that post. We try to correct them instead because I believe not everyone reads the forum rules before they register here. But if they continue doing it by ignoring our messages, we report them.

Some other things are not listed on the forum rules such as merit abuse. Cheating with multiple alts and many more. Sometimes it's obvious that a account is alt account and who control that. But we cannot report without any kind of evidence. But, when something is going on for a long time and a big number of users joins that, we should do something even if we do not have any proof. I did what I wanted and luckily it worked.

[1miau]

Let's say a newbie just registered and wrote something that violates the forum rules.

Exactly that, it's very helpful to give a bit guidance.
A good example here are pyramid quotes. When an established member is doing these (unfortunately many established members still don't care much about pyramid quotes, quoting properly, shitposting or even spelling, to avoid Denglish and more very simple things), a new member might come over these post and assume, that these bad habits are NOT frowned upon.
Seeing such bad habits will cause more damage because new members might repeat them and such bad habits will spread even more.
So, it's of high priority to create awareness.

[Learn Bitcoin]

So, it's of high priority to create awareness.

That's what we have been doing, and some of our locals helping us do it. But as you know, there are always some people who promise to stay with us but they leave our local thread once they rank up to their desired rank. I am the person to blame for that. I have been vocal against some of their abuse and since then, most of them stopped coming to our local threads and do not write there anymore.

I have been translating useful threads for a year now and some of our locals also help guide newbies including DS, LM, Crypto Library, and a couple of more users. I have also written many original contents but since we are just in a local thread, most of the posts were buried. Sometimes I feel awkward to talk high-ranked members because they were supposed to know better than us.

[Etranger]

I am not only talking about the violations that are in the forum rules. Some other things are not listed on the forum rules but these are frowned upon. There is a thing called ethics and we all should be ethical. Let's talk about how our locals react when they see someone violating forum rules. Let's say a newbie just registered and wrote something that violates the forum rules. Usually, we don't report that post. We try to correct them instead because I believe not everyone reads the forum rules before they register here. But if they continue doing it by ignoring our messages, we report them.

Some other things are not listed on the forum rules such as merit abuse. Cheating with multiple alts and many more. Sometimes it's obvious that a account is alt account and who control that. But we cannot report without any kind of evidence. But, when something is going on for a long time and a big number of users joins that, we should do something even if we do not have any proof. I did what I wanted and luckily it worked.

Newbies in the examples you have described definitely deserves to be guided. But I was talking about deliberate plagiarism or using AI to "write" posts. When someone does this, it means that he is aware of what he is doing. Does he need any guidance or advice? Will it be a discovery for him if other forum members warn him that this is unacceptable? I doubt all of that. That is why I see more use in just reporting such users to moderator. But of course I am not talking here about some users making mistakes, but who are ready to learn and are thankful to the guides which over users provide to them.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Newbies in the examples you have described definitely deserves to be guided. But I was talking about deliberate plagiarism or using AI to "write" posts. When someone does this, it means that he is aware of what he is doing. Does he need any guidance or advice? Will it be a discovery for him if other forum members warn him that this is unacceptable? I doubt all of that. That is why I see more use in just reporting such users to moderator. But of course I am not talking here about some users making mistakes, but who are ready to learn and are thankful to the guides which over users provide to them.

In that case, we also report their posts. But, you still didn't get the other fact I have mentioned which is the unwritten rules of the forum. Take merit abuse for example. The forum allows multiple accounts. What if you see someone created a topic and replied with another account and sent some merits from one account to another? Isn't it unethical?

Sometimes we know this is abuse. But, do you think we could report it without any evidence? We can only report once it gets bigger and obvious to everyone that the account is someone managed by the same person. Talking yourself, sending merits, trust inclusions and many other unethical things that are not listed on the forum rules still frowned upon.

[Pulsar77]

Hello. First of all I liked the campaign you have started to improve posting quality. I would also like to apply with a translation in Turkish which I have already posted on my local board as well. 

I tried my best to customize my translation for our local board. I mentioned the issues I identified on the board and added some important topics to read as well.

I'm leaving the translation here for your review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483884.0

[GazetaBitcoin]

I tried my best to customize my translation for our local board. I mentioned the issues I identified on the board and added some important topics to read as well.

Thank you for your efforts, Pulsar77! It's really amazing to see that our campaign reached 9 local boards already! And the list is growing, as a Portuguese translation is also in progress, which will lead to have 10 local boards involved in this project!

Now we can only wait and see there results... Thank you again for involving, Pulsar77!

[EarnOnVictor]

I don't understand which opportunity the try to find in Local Board in this case. If they leave it once they ranked up, why write and spam there in the first place? I got to, that it is easier and more comfortable to become a part of the community through the language which is your native and with people who have common roots with you. But it is not impossible to fill in even without local support at all. For example, I found out the existence of local Ukrainian and Russian communities after quite long time, when I was already familiar with main rules and customs of the forum.

Because locals always tolerate tiny mistakes. Let's say a new user registered today and copy-pasted some random article in our local thread, in the past days, we were used to asking him to edit it and add the source or delete it. Do you see the tolerance here? Global members would go ahead and report their posts and they would get banned without having a single chance.

I disagree with this, at least with what I have seen and been told, but if truly one is banned immediately with a few errors that could be guided and corrected without a warning, then that is cruel. I can't however side with anyone outrightly as I've seen a whole lot of users with powers getting intoxicated, nonetheless, if such issues are raised, I think that such an account could be reopened.

But it is not a wise idea to break the forum rules, after all, the rules are there and everybody is supposed to read them. This is even the norm everywhere and no one has an excuse in this regard. Even at that, reading the rules and breaking them is not acceptable, not in the main and local boards. This is even as some local boards are not as tolerant as you feel if there are standing issues among users. But still, since it is local, more guidance and tolerance are being observed better than in the general sections.

[Learn Bitcoin]

I disagree with this, at least with what I have seen and been told, but if truly one is banned immediately with a few errors that could be guided and corrected without a warning, then that is cruel. I can't however side with anyone outrightly as I've seen a whole lot of users with powers getting intoxicated, nonetheless, if such issues are raised, I think that such an account could be reopened.

Many users have been here even after doing repeated violations like plagiarism multiple times. The community sees them negatively while many members were banned right after one report. You will find a lot of cases where some people had the benefit of the doubt while others didn't get a single chance. I don't want to mention any names but if you search for such things, you will find them for sure. Yeah, I have seen that Admin Cyrus opened a 2nd chance thread for the users who was banned from this forum. But, I believe most of the banned users already build their 2nd account in the mean time.

[1miau]

Hello. First of all I liked the campaign you have started to improve posting quality. I would also like to apply with a translation in Turkish which I have already posted on my local board as well. 

I tried my best to customize my translation for our local board. I mentioned the issues I identified on the board and added some important topics to read as well.

I'm leaving the translation here for your review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483884.0

Hello, dear Pulsar77 

Many thanks for your translation.
It's really nice to have one more local board, where our content is available and we are able to create awareness for more forum members.
We will check your tranlslation and I'm very positive it will get approved soon because you also received some positive replies already. 

[Pulsar77]

Thank you both for your replies @GazetaBitcoin and @1miau. 

It is my pleasure to make some contribution to this nice campaign you have started. I hope my translation can be found useful which would make me really happy. 

[1miau]

Thank you both for your replies @GazetaBitcoin and @1miau. 

It is my pleasure to make some contribution to this nice campaign you have started. I hope my translation can be found useful which would make me really happy. 

After checking, your submitted translation got approved as quality translation and I've added it to my list.
So, we are having a translation to our Turkish local board as well, which is really nice.

Many thanks for your contribution once again.