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Available translations: || Română (Romanian) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413999.0) by GazetaBitcoin ||  Deutsch (German) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.0) by 1miau || Pyccкий (Russian) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468182.0) by zasad@ || Pakistan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg62993474#msg62993474) by HONDACD125 || Nigeria (Naija) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481173.0) by Hatchy || বাংলা (Bengali) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631891.msg63549471#msg63549471) by Learn Bitcoin || Polski (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481324.0) by cygan || Español (Spanish) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483125.0) by Profirii || Türkçe (Turkish) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483884.0) by Pulsar77




Launched by 1miau
Co-sponsored by GazetaBitcoin


Providing a good posting quality is essential to keep Bitcointalk’s role as an important source of Bitcoin-related content, with hopefully some new people signing up here and of course, established members staying active and not leaving Bitcointalk.

Since Merit is not limited to prevent spammers from joining Bounty Campaigns, Merit was also introduced to encourage more interesting content and Merit Sources are advised to facilitate and reward good content, while discouraging bad, uninteresting or flawed posts such like Shitposts.

I’ve tried to incentivize a good posting quality in our German local board by my 1miau Merit criteria, where I’ve outlined points resulting in Merits and points making it much less likely to receive some Merits.

Some examples:


Merit Contributions (translated)

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Anti-Merit-Offenses (translated)



But, since it’s unfortunately not enough to increase posting quality in a meaningful way in our local board, because some people are extremely lazy and saturated from their weekly shitposts rewards, I’m planning a new campaign where I’ll be trying to improve posting quality a lot more.


By doing so, we are planning to increase self-awareness of how a good post should be composed / what should be avoided. We are targeting several points:

• Presenting interesting and well researched content
• Presenting your content in a way that people can read it easily
• Avoiding meaningless shitposts
• Avoiding illiterate gibberish, write in a proper and good local language
• Avoiding useless „Denglish“ / „Romglish“, where English and local languages (German (Deutsch) and Romanian) are unnecessarily mixed. When there’s a certain word existing in your local language, please use your local language for this word, not English
• Avoiding pyramid-quotes
• Avoiding off-topic / trolling / derailing threads
• …

Most points are very easy to follow but still some people are far too lazy…….

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Commonly recognized rules

For any self-moderated topic, where a decent posting quality is desirable, we have established the commonly recognized rules, which are a good standard for self-moderated posts.
When a reference is made to the commonly recognized rules, the following rules are meant:

The commonly recognized rules apply in this topic:

• No off-topic
• No pyramid quotes
• No unnecessary Denglish / Romglish
• No posts of superficial quality (shitposts)
• No defamations
• No unnecessary memes / GIFs
• No spreading of lies
• No trolling
• Please pay attention to good and correct German / Romanian and correct spelling

If a reference is made to the commonly recognized rules, the topic will be moderated according to these rules. :)
The commonly recognized rules are common property.

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Translations to local boards

Since our campaign is dedicated to local boards, I would be happy if you can bring our campaign to your local board and add your own points, relevant for your local board.
Important:
Part of the task is to review our German and Romanian topics and create your own topic dedicated to your local board, not a translation of the Meta announcement.
As a reference, your topic should be unique and customized for your local board.

German: link will follow in late October / early September
Romanian: link will follow in late October / early September

Our topics are not written yet but will be up in a few weeks.
You can already apply below by reserving your language, just submit a post:


Reserved Translations




Translations

Romanian (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413999.0) - GazetaBitcoin
German (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.0) - 1miau
Russian (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468182.0) - zasad@
Pakistan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg62993474#msg62993474) - HONDACD125
Nigeria (Naija) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481173.0) - Hatchy
বাংলা (Bengali) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631891.msg63549471#msg63549471) - Learn Bitcoin
Polski (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481324.0) - cygan
Español (Spanish) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483125.0) - Porfirii
Türkçe (Turkish) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483884.0) - Pulsar77

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Community support

Our campaign is intended to be a very broad and international campaign, so it would be useful if we can present it at our local boards as a campaign supported by many community members.
If you are in support of improving posting quality as suggested by us, we would be happy to receive your endorsement.

I’ve already the support of GazetaBitcoin, who will be co-sponsoring our campaign and bring it to the Romanian local board.
As a community member, you can support our campaign, just include the following code in your reply:



We would be very happy to receive MASSIVE support for our campaign to improve posting quality in our local boards.


Campaign Supporters:
- 1miau
- GazetaBitcoin
- NeuroticFish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg60756540#msg60756540)
- KingsDen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg60784020#msg60784020)
- PrivacyG (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg61360166#msg61360166)

See also GazetaBitcoin's important points below (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg60746539#msg60746539).

It is a great honor for me to collaborate with 1miau on this matter -- improving posting quality for local boards.

I noticed that, as time passes, more and more people have poor knowledge about their own language. For various reasons (people read less, educate themselves less, teachers are not so good or passionate as they were in the past, lack of possibility of attending school, apparition of Generation McDonald's -- followed soon by Generation FaceBook etc. etc. etc.) many don't give 2 cents anymore on speaking and writing correctly in their own language. Many can't even correctly associate verbs with the subject of the sentence (e.g. using a plural form for verb and a singular form for the subject).

No matter the reason for this, it's something terribly wrong! Nobody asks you to know a foreign language as a native but, at least, everybody should correctly use the native language.

I am a perfectionist myself. Besides trying to spell and speak correctly in my own language (which is Romanian) I also pay a lot of attention to punctuation. To the order of words inside a sentence. Sometimes, a comma may change entirely the meaning of a sentence. Same about a missing comma. Also, in many times, I noticed people which do not use the question mark when needed and, as a consequence, what they say sounds like an affirmation and not as a question. Example: when someone wants to ask you to go out with him and he says "Come with me", instead of "Come with me?". It's a huge difference, as in the first form it sounds like an order.

However, I understand that not all can master their own language. But, at least, they should speak and spell correctly.

Mixing words from the native language with English words also became a big problem. In Romanian, we call this as Romglish. It is also what 1miau names as "Denglish". At first, people started this outrageous method of tormenting their native language as it seemed something "cool". In Romania, at least. They believed they were cool for mixing Romanian words with English ones. But they were not cool at all, only ridiculous. Yet, this trend continued and, in time, it became more and more adopted, until it became a vice.

I have to admit myself that even I, although I struggle a lot to avoid it, have this sin. I try hard to avoid Romglish yet, sometimes, without even realizing this, I am mixing Romanian words with English ones. It happens rarely, but it happens. It's so hard to quit a bad habit, a vice. But it's always important to try, to improve yourself.

All the above mentioned facts occur also inside the forum and people use their poor skills of their language for writing posts with poor or zero value, just for reaching the quota for the campaign they are part of. In some occasions they also received merits for such posts. This should change.

This is the purpose of this action initiated by 1miau and I second him. I encourage DT users, Merit Sources, Campaign Managers, moderators and all other users to not support this behavior anymore. It is a vouch for having a better forum!

Isn't that what they should have learned in school? I may be mildly sarcastic, but in my experience most shitposters can't be saved. And the people who have more skills than that, use them already.
I admire your trust in users though :)

DefaultTrust has nothing to do with post quality:

1miau, I am taking it very positively because such an initiative can increase the quality of posts on local boards/threads. But, As LoyceV already pointed out, I don't think DefaultTrust has anything to do with this campaign. Or Do you offer Positive feedback to those people who participate and do good? If I am not wrong, You already offer to merit their posts if they improve the post quality and follow the other things you pointed out. I am confused; why are you seeking for support of DT members? It would make sense if you sought Support from Merit sources because they can help evaluate the posts if they understand the language.

By asking DT Support, I see two points here;

1. Offer Positive feedback who follow this Campaign (This will be inaccurate)
2. Get Trust Inclusion who follow this Campaign. (This is too)

I hope I am wrong.

It is and that's a very sad thing.  :D
But how can we try to improve posting quality in addition?
I've tried to come up with various ideas and the one presented here is what should achieve the most impact, in addition to my 1miau Merit criteria (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275433.0).

Even if we can improve posting quality only a little bit, it would be beneficial for everyone.  ;)

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That's true, DT has nothing to do with posting quality and it was not intended like that from my site, so maybe you got my intention a little but wrong but how do you measure support from (quality posters / established accounts) for an idea?
Merit? (I don't know if Merit should be used for "supporting" something and a Merit coming from someone like you has more weight that a Merit coming from a scammer)
Established accounts? (how to measure that)

So, I was going for DT as a general set of established accounts, nominated from a decentralized way of determining "good judgement for leaving trust".
That was what I saw coming closest to "measuring support".
If you have a better idea, how to measure "support", feel free to share it here.  :)

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I'm not asking for positive feedbacks or inclusions, I'm asking if people are supporting our campaign ("this is a good campaign"), nothing more.
So when you are "supporting" our campaign, you are just saying "it's a good campaign, I agree to the goals of the campaign because it's beneficial for the forum".

Doesn't involve any feedbacks or inclusions.


So, for our campaign, people can either
- support (it's a good campaign)
- oppose (it's a bad campaign)
- be neutral (it's not useful)

I see this as a good initiative, although I am not sure it needs to be applied in our local board. I would say that on the Spanish board we have pretty decent quality, and I don't remember reading any low quality posts there. I guess because they are reported and deleted quickly.

As for the endorsement of DT people, I guess the best person to support it or not would be the person who contributes the most to our forum. I leave it up to him.


So I guess I am neutral about the initiative applied to our local board, but I would not say that it is not useful.

This is a good initiative indeed,  and one that shouldn't be limited to the local boards alone but to the entire forum boards,  but it is indeed a good plan to start the campaign from the grassroot because it is being said in my place that "A person's beauty, starts from his house, then to the outside world.^(translated)
So it is possible that if we can win the fight against spam and low quality posts in our local boards, then winning the same fight in our international boards become very easy....

Fortunately,  my Nigerian local board is still a growing community compared to several other boards on the forum,  there are no none spammers and low quality posters in my local board that I know of, else,  I would have applied to join the campaign.

A horse can be given the privilege of being lead to the stream,  but still will refuse to drink water,  and you can not force it to...
It is exactly what it is,  we all are different in attitude and preferences the same way our faces are different, a matter you consider important can be looked upon as totally unimportant, uninteresting to the other person,  so this is say that,  no matter how much we campaign and fight against spam and low quality posts,  it is close to, or totally impossible to have every single user of this forum become a quality poster,  what I feel we all should pay attention to is making sure that the number of quality posters are far higher than the low quality posters.

In case you want to present it later, feel free to apply any time when it's still open.  :)
Spanish local board would be great.

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Very good idea.
I've totally missed these boards like Bitcoin Discussion or Altcoin Discussion etc., where spam is still an issue. Good point.
Bringing a campaign there could have a considerable impact.


Translation can be done even if there's no or not much spam, just for educational purposes.  :)

I chuckled inside when I read this:


Admittedly, I don't visit the altcoin section that much, but do people actually advertise coins like the above (with the exception of Libra, which died in the womb)?  I'm assuming it's the hyping up of shitcoins that's frowned upon, but do members do that to the point of it being annoying?

And oh, that pyramid-quote suggestion....that's more important than you think.  I swear, if someone quotes a bunch of text that need not have been quoted, I'll often not even consider meriting that post, even if it's decent.  People don't like to scroll through shit they shouldn't have to, so that's an excellent point.

Overall, this is a great initiative and I wish you guys luck with it.  I'm glad you defined "Denglisch", because I had no idea what that is, and the link to the wiki page is all in German (which I can't read).

Pyramid- or nested-quotes are sort of lazy way of posting. It mostly comes from spammers and such reply usually has very low quality.

Sometimes we need to quote other posts (even nested ones) for fully transparent, avoid censorship etc. but mostly we don't have to use nested quotes.

• [Tips] Posting technique (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4667594.0) and its Video guide (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NHfaViknzM)
• [GUIDE] A good post/reply and formatting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224196.0)
• Bitcointalk posting etiquette (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184741.0) and [GUIDE] Bitcointalk forum etiquette (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136703.0)

Well, If this is the case. You may want to ask for support from every forum member and not only from the DT network. When someone supports your initiative means he has to improve his posts as well. I support your initiative.

I've started seeing too many guides/tutorials made by people who don't know the matter deep enough, hence they're full of mistakes misguiding newbies into making errors.
So I strongly advise those who are unsure about their new topics, add at least a "please tell about the errors so I can update the first post" disclaimer, to avoid harsh replies.

Also I tend to give more credit to an useful answer, even if it may be an one-liner, than a meme.

But overall you're correct (although I expect exactly the worse shitposters won't read or won't care about this kind of guidelines).



I think that this is wrong and can be misinterpreted (I see that some already thought that you're asking for trust feedback). Also DT comes and goes, the list can be reshuffled and one will no longer be DT for a while (especially if DT2).
I think that you need this from all users, especially Merit Sources (although some don't like to say they're merit sources) and users with high amount of merit, i.e. those who may actually merit those posts.

So:

but I say this not as DT, but as user of bitcointalk.

I have to admit that I am guilty of the occasional CROnglish here and there as well. But that's just because I have gotten used to the English terminology so much that certain native words feel like they have been butchered. It sounds like someone forced you to come up with a local translation no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

I support any initiative that makes the forum a better place and improves the posting quality. But I am also afraid that the forum culture is slowly dying and the new generations are all about posting short, grammatically incorrect, meme-filled responses. Many simply don't care.

@GazetaBitcoin
Every time I see your username, I associate it with Italy and think that you are Italian. Although "Gazeta" isn't spelled correctly and it should be "Gazzeta", like Gazzetta Dello Sport, it still doesn't make me think of Romania. I have to keep reminding myself that Romanian is a Latin language and that "Gazeta" probably has the same meaning as "Gazzeta". 

Yeah, it's somehow advertising, when someone is opening a new topic where people should recommend "bullish Altcoins". Most of the time, a few constructive posts will show up. Usually the first 10 replies will contain up to 5 constructive answers but after that, the spamposts are piling up, where shitposters are praising useless, centralized shitcoins like Binance Coin or Tron because "tRansAcTioNS aRe cHeAP" over and over again...
Like here: Your Altcoin for December ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.0)

Quick, produce some one-liners and recommend
Tron [1] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58593474#msg58593474) [2] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58593635#msg58593635) [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58598540#msg58598540)
Solana [1] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58593701#msg58593701) [2] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58594898#msg58594898) [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58600041#msg58600041)
Binance Coin [1] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58595741#msg58595741) [2] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58600041#msg58600041) [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58600405#msg58600405)
EOS [1] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374610.msg58593635#msg58593635)


Or here: Is TRON dead? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404730.0)

Quickly, the first Tron shill post came up:
:D
Tron defense shitposters starting at post number 11 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404730.msg60484107#msg60484107), 12 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404730.msg60484124#msg60484124), 14 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404730.msg60484569#msg60484569), 17 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404730.msg60485314#msg60485314), 18 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404730.msg60487487#msg60487487) ....
It's a bit strange, same bounty campaign where all Tron shills are joined...


Luckily, shitcoin shills have quit their marketing mission in our German section. They were always around to recommend their useless shitcoin bags to newcomers without going too deep into it, why these coins should be bought.
But even with going deep, why Tron or EOS are good coins it would be a violation of my Merit criteria. There are simply no reasons why such crap coins should be bought. Tron is just marketing hype, EOS is centralized an dead, Solana is frequently not working and BCH and BSV are fraud coins.
But in Altcoin Discussion / Altcoin Speculation, the most annoying shitposters are very quick to recommend a random centralized shitcoin or defend useless shitcoins when these flawed coins are being called out.  :)

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Oh, sorry. I've missed to remove the German link, when it was copied from our local board. Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denglisch
"Denglish" is, when people are too lazy to translate properly and are using English words instead, even when there's a known German translation for.


Same for "Romglish" but native language is Romanian.

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Very good point, I'l add it soon and try to include it into a single point
- researching properly
- correcting errors when detected by other Forum members / via proofreading
I'm not sure if someone would add a disclaimer, some members are even forgetting to link their sources properly or hide them to receive more Merit (when Merit sources are tricked to think all the text is written by OP itself)

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I've changed my OP from "DT member support" to "community member support". Should be easier to understand now and cause fewer misunderstandings.  :)
We appreciate your support.  :)

But for formal reasons, we need to have you posting our code.  ;)
Too many have said "I generally support" or similar, which is hard to know if it's just a statement or a real "support".
I don't want to cause misunderstandings here.  :)

So, if you are in support plz use code, Sir.  :)


I've only added NeuroticFish so far.

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Well, time for improvements.  ;)

Very true, my impression is especially when some people are saturated in their current signature campaign and are getting their payments week after week, the posting quality is slowly degrading because payments are still coming safely. And when everyone is posting a bit shittier every week, it doesn't even affect your position negatively.
Because every second invested for a more detailed reply is a wasted second.
Proofreading? - No time for that...
I have noticed that trend in our local board and hopefully our campaign can remind everyone to review their posting style.

Supporting the campaign is not the equivalent of applying to translate the threads and customizing them in the local section, right? To do that, I would have to reserve the language as described in the OP. I might be interested in doing the translation as well, but only after I see the German thread, so I can get a clear idea of what exactly we are talking about. 

There's generally a pattern to a users posts. Of course, this is a generalisation, and therefore this isn't concrete. However, users start off with slightly less quality posts when they sign up, and over time they'll learn the standards of the forum, and get sucked in to the community, and therefore want to actually contribute. Now, guides, campaigns, and all of this is all well, and good. However, there's a difference between a user that wants to learn, and those that don't. Take the altcoin section as an example; there's plenty of users there that don't care about learning, and no matter how much you push what's acceptable, and isn't acceptable on the forum, they aren't going to listen.

Even moderation doesn't cure it, they'll just register a new account. theymos has put evil points associated with IP addresses to try, and avoid this issue, but there's ways around it, and the spammers know it. Most of these types of users only care about money, they seem to join every bounty available, and in some instances have setup bots to reply to them. These users aren't teachable, no matter how good the campaign is.

Then there's the users which are new, maybe to the forum or the language, and we can't discriminate against them for using poor structuring of sentences, because eventually these types of users might actually become some of the most valuable to the community. I for one don't have perfect English, for anyone that's from the UK, you might be familiar with the term "Wenglish". Also, my grammar definitely isn't perfect.

So, my point is we can put all the information we want out there, and I do believe it's already out there to some degree, but the audience matters. Those that read, and take into consideration those threads, are probably going to become good quality users anyhow. Whereas, those that aren't interested, and therefore more likely to be a spamming kind, aren't. Therefore, much of the effort is lost on the types of users you're talking about.

Obviously, translations, and all of that is a little different. However, I don't think we should be expecting perfect native language either. Since, depending on where you're in that country, depends on how you structure, and use the language. North Welsh for example, is a lot different to Welsh in the South, and I mean different words for the same thing, kind of different, and not just the way they speak.

So, while I definitely do appreciate any proactive way of increasing the quality of the forum, don't expect miracles. A campaign is only going to help those that are interested in the first place. Moderation is still the best thing we have for dealing with spam, even if that isn't always efficient, due to the reasons mentioned above.

There's also the issue of signature campaigns, and local sections. A lot of the time it appears that the signature campaign manager doesn't understand the languages (almost certain with the amount they accept) that are being posted, but still accepting that for payment. So, we either need a better review process or multiple managers that are natives of that language for it to be accepting in a signature campaign, if that makes sense.

Also, worth noting; if you find a lot of spam in your local section, report it. If it doesn't get handled then that shows theymos that a moderator is needed in that section. Just because it doesn't get handled this time around, doesn't mean its meaningless, since it does indicate there's a need for either a dedicated moderator or an additional moderator depending on the workload.
 

I support this campaign, it is a good campaign.

One of my reasons of supporting this campaign is that I read an article somewhere outside this forum and understood that some people had to quit this forum due to high level of shit post and spamming that had happend in the forum.

I couldn't justify their action of quiting the forum because it got messy by shitposters not until I was involved in a 5 aside football in my new neighbourhood. Football that I enjoy playing became a nightmare because my team mates were not anything close to good. They could not trap the ball, they give away 80% possession, poor position to recieve passes. Within 15 minutes, I became frustrated and left the pitch.

It was after the football incident that I understood how other people's activities could make you to even quit or hate what you are passionate of doing.
Though, I wasn't around when there was no merit system, but I understood that things were worse than it is now.
Meanwhile, this good campaign can only affect positively those who are sincerely interested in becoming good users of the forum. Those users who are poised in posting shits and getting paid would not benefit from this.

Thank you all who expressed your formal suppprt for this campaign. It is very important to see that users have good thoughts for this initiative. But please make sure you express your suppprt in the format mentioned by 1miau in OP.

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It's correct, Gazeta is the Romanian term for the Italian Gazzeta (and for the French Gazette). Romanians' ancestors were Dacians, which lived in Dacia -- a part of Tracians. After year 100 A.D. Romans conquered them (by emperor Traian) and, afterwards, Romans settled in these places -- what will become, 1700 years later, Romania. Romans married local Dacians and, being settled here, their language mixed with locals' language. This is how Romanian was born. And, as far as I know, Romanian is the Latin language most close to actual Italian.

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Yes, this is correct. You can do it only if you wish so.

If I didn't miss anything regarding to translations of good topics to local languages, it is a second topic (campaign) for that ^{only count multiple-translation topics}

• Help me translate my best posts in your Local Board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230761.0) by fillippone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1852120). It's 2 years ago
• There are other topics that are translated one by one, not counted here.

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I believe your initiative is great and somewhat it help to provide more quality topics in local boards. However, it is just sand in a desert and is not enough to improve quality of local boards in general.

The quality in translation topics will be managed by the OP. How to keep it on topic, stop spam, non-sense posts is responsibility of OP. Because I am sure many posters will join but not for real discussion. Just for post quota and/ or merit hunting  :)

Yes, most of them are only going to listen when they are kicked out of their paid campaign due to low quality posts. It's usually very difficult to reach such people.
Paid shills / bumpers are still active but luckily their Newbiespam Accounts don't carry any weight for bumping in these sections.

Our target group are especially Newbies and people interested in quality discussions / posts (or generally people interested in having a certain post quality, so normally all participants in signature campaigns paying in Bitcoin as such campaigns are requiring "quality posts").
I've tried to incentivize it via Merit but with limited success because my topic is also getting buried quickly.
But I wouldn't say no if our campaign is enligthening even to some sigspammers.  :D


We are aware that we can't reach everyone, especially the worst shitposters or paid spammers.


Very important points. I'm reporting from time to time, both in local and international sections and I can recommend everyone to make use of the report function.  :)

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I can confirm that, sorry for my delayed reply.  :D

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Our translation campaign here is limited to translating / creating a single topic dedicated to "increase post quality in local boards" where points like "avoiding pyramid quotes" etc are presented.
It'll become clearer, when our German and Romanian versions are up.  :)

Doesn't this apply to most campaigns / articles / guides here?
Some of them will be buried quickly and have little impact but as least some impact is already a good thing.
And bumping those topics from time to time can also help to generate more awareness.  ;)

Most likely yes but we will try to select good translators and avoid bounty spammers for cases where the intention is only a quick Merit grab.
And I can tell one thing already ahead: I won't give out Merit to Bounty spammers just applying here for a quick Merit grab. Such people will be denied.
We have seen this from other topics, it's not a problem limited to our campaign.

Very good to know that your team have detailed criteria to manage it appropriately. It will boost local boards with high quality resources and better engagement in educational discussions.

Sure. It happens everywhere and merit is for good contribution and good quality posts. If they make good things, they deserve to receive merit.

Does your Campaign is limited for the improvement of local board or include the local threads also? We don't have a board yet but have a local thread (Pakistan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.0)).

A little initiative we took is that every month we analyze the report published for local boards and do the analysis as to what is gone better than the previous month and what needs to be improved.

Perhaps this can be a good idea to increase the posting quality and overall progress of local threads.

Below are a few examples of these analyses.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg60768387#msg60768387

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg60255871#msg60255871

Our campaign is not limited to local boards, it can also be presented in a local thread, when there's not a local board for a specific language yet.

While your post about it will be buried quickly in your local thread, we can still link it here.  :)
Such a disadvantage is not a problem for me personally, so I'm also open to presenting it in your local thread if you like to create such a post once our topic for reference is up.
Most likely we will finish it next weekend.  :)

That will be very nice of you. Yeah, such posts are buried quickly in local threads because we have a single thread to discuss everything. However, it is assumed that everyone awaits these monthly stats and is eager to know about the progress of the thread.

It will be really appreciated if you can present it to our local board and another advantage is that we speak English as a second language so there will be no problem with understanding.  :)

I'm not planning to create an English version because part of our campaign to customize each local topic accordingly to what's important in your local board to increase posting quality. Personally, I don't know what's most important to increase posting quality in your local Pakistani thread. It's very different sometimes between local languages.
For reference, you can use a translation tool to check our German and Romanian topic (when it's published), compare it and decide what's important for your local community. Maybe many things won't apply for your local language or new ones will be important. 
For example, I have read about someone from Pakistan excessively copy-pasting tweets, like here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395857.msg59956404#msg59956404
I don't know if it's a general issue because I'm not too much into local boards, most information I'm getting from is Meta / Reputation.

For local translations contributing to our campaign, I'll use a translator tool to get some idea of what's written there and / or ask some people I know from that section. If it's a good translation, I might send some Merit.  :)

Copy pasting tweets is not an issue in our local board except in one or two cases. But then there are two types of people, one who knows that this is wrong but still they do it deliberately and think they can fool the system while there are others who are ignorant that this is a mistake and once they know it, they are already punished for it.



Let me understand it. You will publish the German and Romanian versions and anyone from our community can translate it (and amend it also according to local needs) and post it in our local thread. Right?

Ok, nice to hear it's solved or at least limited to a few people.
People producing such spamposts deliberately are subject for Campaign Managers to get rid of such posters in paid signature campaigns, if these accounts have a paid signature.


Exactly, that's our plan.  ;)
GazetaBitcoin will publish a Romanian version and I will publish a German version.

Since I read the post of 1miau, I have really reduced my “Denglisch” and find it quite good. This has made my post a little better and I pay more attention to the formatting of my post. That’s why I can only support 1miau! It definitely helped me.  ;) :)

I can confirm that, many thanks for your support!
Paying a bit attention to our posting quality is indeed quite easy and these few seconds for reducing "Denglish" (for example) are invested very well.

In general, your recent contributions are well above the average in the German section, always insightful and constructive which is a very good start.
Going the extra mile will be rewarded long-term and in my opinion, campaign managers should take a close look at such considerations.  :)

Our local campaign (German local board) is up finally: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.0

For everyone, who's interested in launching a campaign, customized for their local board, please have a look at it.
You can also look at GazetaBitcoin's Romanian topic as a reference. It will be presented by GazetaBitcoin below and later included in my OP.

We are very proud to lead another effort to increase awareness about posting quality.  :)

Similar to 1miau, I am also proud to present you the Romanian local campaign for improving posts quality: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413999.0.
A separate topic was created as well, this one addressing the so-called Romglish -- the horrendous mix between Romanian and English: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413998.0.

If anyone else is interested in translating these topics he can contact 1miau and or me. We will happily offer help and feedback, if needed :)

Congratulations again, 1miau, for having this very good idea! From this point forward, the rest should be done by any other member interested in helping his local board.

Since our campaign is running for a while now, it's time to reward the contributors so far.

Our goal

Our campaign has been launched to improve posting quality in a meaningful way in local sections, reminding everyone about the importance to contribute quality content, to be constructive, to apply a proper native language, to make posts more attractive by applying some basic practices like:
- Contributing interesting content and providing insights instead of just rehashing what’s already been said / uninteresting fluff / guessing needlessly
- Proper spelling and punctuation; proofreading
- Dividing your article / topic into meaningful sections, using sub-headlines, highlighting important parts. Nobody wants to read a text block of 10-15 consecutive lines
- Avoiding meaningless one-liners (Shitposts). Submitting a post just for the sake of paid signature campaigns should be prevented
- Avoiding bad / unnecessary Memes or GIFs (we are not in Las Vegas)
- Avoiding unnecessary "Denglish" by applying appropriate translations. Don't be lazy and don't annoy native speakers with some easily avoidable Denglish. Respect your language as Bitcointalk should be a place of education, not a place of primary-school-level illiteracy
- Don't be a fool who wants to see Bitcoin as part of a clerical sect
- Flawed identification of sources (plagiarism) for your quoted content.

We are not requesting huge essays all the time but even some basic things (bold) can be done without much additional effort.
It's quite easy to apply proper spelling and punctuation, especially for your native language. If our native language is represented with an own board on Bitcointalk, it's a privilege to write in our own language there. Before submitting your comment, please proofread it properly. Avoid unnecessary "Denglish" / "Romglish", because most translations are basic education and knowing them is not difficult at all. We are not in primary school, applying our local language properly should be easy when we put in at least some effort.


The outcome

Our campaign is a good opportunity to prove how valuable for the community some members really are.
As our "Discovery of the year" we want to say KUDOS to CoinEraser (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65716)!

Kudos to CoinEraser (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65716)

CoinEraser has proven to be a very good quality poster of the German section. His posts are insightful, well worded and CoinEraser simply proved how easy it is to apply the criteria mentioned in our campaign.
CoinEraser has been taking some time off the forum previously and it's great to see him back again, writing meaningful content and of course, his earned Merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=65716) is a good proof for that.
Finally, his efforts have been also rewarded by icopress, who accepted CoinEraser in his signature campaign as icopress is known for only accepting good quality posters.
Being rewared here in our campaign as well as in icopress' campaign is once again a sign that the posting quality of CoinEraser is a great contribution to the forum and especially the German local board.  :)


Disappointments of our campaign

As usual, where there is light, there is also shadow and it's also the case for our campaign.  :'(
Unfortunately, the overall outcome is still not satisfactory.
While a few members have clearly shown some honorable effort, our campaign has also been maliciously targeted by some trolls and butthurt shitposter’s apologists. Of course our campaign is a great nuisance for shitposters, lazy illiterate Denglish spammers and meaningless one-liner offenders as putting effort into posts would result in „wasting more time per post“ for them.
When it's too much for you to apply simple translations (which should well known if you aren't illiterate) or if it's too much to do a simple proofreading of your content, it's a big, big shame for these people.
We don’t regret offending them and will keep offending them to push for a better posting quality.  ;)

But for now, our campaign didn’t achieve combatting most easily avoidable problems.
Failing to achieve this goal is a pity for Bitcointalk as paid shitposting is still the main factor for lazy, illiterate word salat spam. And an additional issue, we have faced in our campaign is shitpost / spam apologia even after called out.
Protecting lazy shitposting practices is a sure bet to decrease posting quality further, enabling uneducated, illiterate spam gibberish.

I'm not giving any names here for now of these offenders.
When reading this part, these members will be well aware of their bad faith, which will be hopefully enough for them to feel guilty (and improve their writings).


However, it's a honor for me (and I'm sure that GazetaBitcoin will agree here), to have achieved at least some basic improvements, as positive members like CoinEraser have shown!  :)
We will keep bringing up ideas to improve posting quality and keep running incentives active.  :)

Thank you very much 1miau. It's really very nice what you think of my posts and it's really an honor to be so praised by you. Because you are a role model for me with your posts. I just follow your suggestions and try to enrich the forum with it. It would be nice if other people would do it too. That would definitely be good for the forum.  :)

Yes, Bitcointalk usually rewards contributors and in my opinion, that's very succesful so far to improve posting quality as a whole.
Bitcointalk's Awards Campaign is great way to encourage it, too.  :)

You are completely right here and such campaigns are hopefully creating enough awareness.
Recently, KingsDen has published another topic about posting quality where some good points are made: What is a Quality Post? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5420417.0)

Wow, how far we have come.  :) :)
Probably, role models are exactly what we need to "enrich" the forum.
Normally, I would expect from members like Foxpup to be a role model but here we are and I'll try my best:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/05/19/miau0d37b5efbdc456c4.jpeg

 :D :D

Sincere congrats to CoinEraser for joining "the white side of Force"! His support for this campaign, together with his own struggle for bettering himself, is even more important, as it comes from a very old user of the forum, which joined in 2012! I take my hat off in front of that!

Excepting him I would also like to point out that Romanian board's reaction toward this initiative was to embrace it. Indeed, Romanian section is not too populated but still, I, myself was with 1miau since he first expressed this idea to me. Very soon after the campaign was launched inside Romanian board, NeuroticFish, which is another valuable forum member, expressed his support (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413998.msg60985704#msg60985704). Furthermore, he also said that he is not just supporting the idea, but he will also try to better himself as well.

Time passed and recently another Romanian user joined this campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413998.msg61339307#msg61339307). The surprise was huge, as we did not even know him, as he never posted before inside Romanian board. But, most important, his very first post inside Romanian board was made in this campaign's thread! Furthermore, I also discovered that PrivacyG, as this is his nym, is also a new era Sr. Member, which already earned enough merits to be Hero, with months before reaching the necessary activity. Chapeau to that!


Maybe, especially after the news I brought above, the outcome is more satisfactory that we thought, my dear 1miau. Indeed, some opposed (and still oppose) our campaign, for reasons which are beyoind my capacity of understanding. And I am certain they do not feel guilty, no matter you mentioned that. Nor they'll ever feel guilty.

However, what I wanted to say about the results being -- maybe -- more satisfactory than we believe is the fact that, as PrivacyG appeared out of nowhere inside our board and started advocating for a better Romanian, without Romglish, the same may happen, without our knowledge, in other boards too. The fact that we don't know about other users which may have been motivated by this campaign does not necessarily mean they do not exist...

I will end here, by translating PrivacyG's post (highlight is mine).

Yes, it's nice to see NeuroticFish, a big contributor to Bitcointalk, being very positive about our campaign and supporting it.
After all, we can say your translation of our topic into Romanian is already a huge success.  :)

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While that part sounded indeed very pessimistic, my overall impression of our achievements is very positive. A few misguided spammers and shitpost apologists can't hide the fact, that our campaign is indeed an important step into a good direction to encourage a better posting style and better writing skills. And so far, our support is 100% in the Romanian board.  ;)


You are right, as long as weekly rewards of valuable BTC for producing low-quality spam are coming in for them, widespread improvements for a better posting quality are highly unlikely.  :D

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It is very nice to hear such positive news, dear GazeatBitcoin!  :)
Amazing how our campaign has achieved such a lucky outcome where PrivacyG (IntimitateG) has now contributed to your local board.
Of course, it's very nice to see PrivacyG advocating for our cause which means a lot because PrivacyG is also a member frequently contributing quality posts on Bitcointalk's international section.
It's no coincidence to see that most established quality posters are highly supportive of our campaign.  :)

I have a small calendar at home, that kind where you remove the files as days pass. On one side of its files you can find important events which occurred in the past, while on the back side you may find some very interesting short writings. By pure chance, after I removed a file of this calendar I found an article on its page, which relates so much to our campaign of improving the posts quality in our local boards. And this campaign, in fact, vouches for the correct use of our mother languages.

The author of the article is unknown, signing it as "T.C.Z.". But, whoever this T.C.Z., is, he is so right with what he's saying!

I tried to translate the small article below, adapting as much as I could the Romanian idiomatic words in English. Although I could not fully adapt it, as some words make sense only in Romanian, I believe everybody will get the meaning.


Maybe this text would determine all of us to try to use our languages more correctly...

Sir I send a PM but I can't see anything (mobile). Not sure what you meant.
https://i.ibb.co/c184CBw/Screenshot-20230806-155121416-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/Bt60rpG)
All I see is this :

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GazetaBitcoin
Legendary
*
Offline

Activity: 1414
Merit: 4857


Jr.Exec. Merit Cycler | Spambuster '22 | Pie Baker


View Profile WWW Personal Message (Offline)
Trust: +9 / =0 / -0
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Can you try reading my PM from a PC or a laptop instead of a mobile? I already deleted the PM from my Outbox and I would prefer to not have to write it once more. Let me know if the message appears okay when viewing it from a PM.

It's a well written comment in your calendar and it's very true. Sometimes, it's sooo easy to improve our language, when we are aware of it to do it correctly and spot bad influences, for example from excessive marketing (to make a product look better).
Your calendar is emphasizing it in a very creative and accurate way.
Some malicious phenomena are indeed living phenomena but not vital phenomena.  :)
We should always try to keep malicious phenomena at bay.


I hope so, dear GazetaBitcoin. Luckily, applying our native languages correctly is not very difficult, sometimes we just need to be aware of it.  :)
At least you seem to have a very nice calendar.  :)

I think that a very important aspect is the fact that other people are also seeing a big problem in altering mother languages with English. Perhaps such people are everywhere in the world, talking about best ways to preserve their languages... Another important aspect is to have literate people among those trying to keep their languages safe. People with high education are needed -- linguists, academicians, that kind of people which are iconic figures in their countries and which may influence others to the right thing.

So it's good to see that such movements are happening also in the rest of the world, outside this forum. Practically, with our campaign, we only got in line with linguists, teachers and other literate people which try together to preserve their languages and which vouch for correct use of the mother languages!

Yes, it's somehow our duty to educate the uneducated.
As we all know, in ancient Greece / Rome, the society profited from progress due to science and the academicians were very prestigious.
Not only there, it's a pattern in history (but somehow, especially ancient Greece / Rome comes to my mind).  :D


Indeed, we can be role models (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg61353769#msg61353769) here, once again.  :) :)

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/05/19/miau0d37b5efbdc456c4.jpeg

Maybe I can start to set up an attempt to bring this topic to more local boards or as we have discussed recently, where I was planning to launch a topic, where people could link their recent posts and good ones would receive an additional chunk of Merit if the requirements are met. At least, Merit is meant that way: to reward quality posts. Nowadays, many people only spend Merit for their fellow sigspammer friends, no matter if the post is really worth it. It's like "am I getting my fair share of Merit to join the next signature campaign?". People don't care about their posting quality, but still want enough Merit to be accepted in a campaign.
This occured in our German local board, which is really a shame.  :'(
So, improving language is really an important issue, where hopefully more people will care about - in the forum and in real life.  :)
I'm still optimistic here, especially due to you inspiring discovery in your calendar.  :)

Then perhaps this also the right moment to remind to all users of this topic that they can show their involvement too by translating and adapting this topic in their local boards:


The highlighted part is crucial, as in this case it is not needed a literal translation of this topic, but one adapted to the customs and idiom of each language. I will also make this suggestion to AOBT group and maybe we'll get some support from there as well.

For those interested to see how such adapted topic looks like they can take a look at the existing translations:


And, speaking of that, I was wondering if 1miau could add these translations to the OP?

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I am very sorry to hear how things are working inside German board. For sure, the situation does not look good. The mod from that section should act with a strong hand against spam -- or, in case the workload is too much for him, perhaps he can ask for some help...?

Defining what posts qualify as spam is not something you can easily do, people have different perspectives. Also, the moderator might be looking for more posts no matter what the quality is, you know, just a way of "showing" that they have a huge community and he is needed, not saying the German mod is doing that, I am generally speaking. :D


Perhaps the German board could use someone like 1miau, pretty heavy-handed  I suppose. :D

Fishing for merit for the sake of financial gain is normal human nature, all boards including the English-speaking ones have the same thing in common, I see nothing wrong with it, the reason why someone wants more merit doesn't matter, as long as they are doing it the right way by posting quality posts they are worthy of merit.


One issue we face in the Arabic board is the exact definition of the technical words related to blockchain, we have a whole  dedicated topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097571.0) for that, the problem is, Arabic is rather complicated, in my country most people pass their English tests but fail Arabic tests, the blockchain tech as a whole is not so popular yet, so not enough qualified people have looked into it, to translate the technical terms you need someone who understands what it really means, and that someone needs to have excellent language skills.

We are slowly progressing into finding the right terms, but it will take some time, for now, if the translation sounds weird we all just stick to using the English version of the word.

That's always a good idea. Some topics can be very specific for certain local boards (of if the creator of the original topic has shared some of his thoughts).

And when talking about adapting, something similar comes to my mind (but much more on a basic level):
The best candidates are the ones, where the reference link is added below ( ::)) the translated text and when readers are starting to read the post, we can't see that it's a translation and might be tricked into thinking OP (of the translation) would be the original author of the text.
Doing so, is some sort of very shady Merit fishing.  :'(
A proper translation will aways display the reference link right away.  :)

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Adding in my German local board version, do you mean?

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Indeed, dear GazetaBitcoin, indeed (the bold part)...
Perhaps help is necessary but after my report from yesterday got overturned, I'm less optimistic. I've reported an ANN translation to be moved in our dedicated sub-board for this (Project Development (Projektentwicklung)) and the ANN topic also was (correctly) moved there by the mod at first, but then, the translator (Cricktor) complained why his ANN translation got moved to the other ANN translations and mole0815 moved it back to the prominent German front page. And Cricktor told mole0815 to move it back because it would be more visible on the front page. It's important to note here, that the dedicated sub-board didn't play the main role in this argumentation, but the better visibility.
So, ANN topics can now be posted directly on the prominent front page on our German local board, while there's a dedicated sub-board for all projects in construction and finished ones (ANN), called "Projektentwicklung" (Project Development).  ::)
This won't end in a total mess, won't it?  :D

Anyways, I've explained Cricktor that visibility doesn't matter, where a topic should be placed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462199.msg62666770#msg62666770). Only the content of a topic is relevant, where it's getting placed and "Projektentwicklung" is, where all ANN threads are placed (except Altcoins, Altcoin ANN's belong to our German Altcoins section).
Maybe it's helpful to get some order in this again....  :)

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Sometimes it's difficult, sometimes it's very easy. And depending on the moderator, it might vary as well.
Take this case here of our plagiarizer friend Whut2.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg62589081#msg62589081): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459253.msg62588501#msg62588501
I don't really know what he wanted to add to the discussion (comment says "750k yes sure" (topic is about an analyst predicting 750k USD per BTC)).
My report got marked as "bad".  ::)
Maybe our spammer Whut2.0 will write "HOLD", "SELL SELL SELL", TO THE MOON" or "Let's get REKT!" next time...
Personally, I'm generally in favor of sending a strong message. Also for posts where 150 characters are met but nothing is really contributed. People will shitpost once but think twice before shitposting again next time if their posts are getting deleted.  :) :)

I'm away during the day, if spammers found out about it, hell might break loose in the German section. We had a time, when we had many fake translations (due to Altcoin Bounty translations), where new fake translations popped up all the time...

No, I meant to add to this thread a list of existent translations. Something like this:

https://i.ibb.co/jkPr7dz/Untitled7.png

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True. The rules should be always followed and, if there is a dedicated sub-board for a specific kind of topics then that should be used. What would happen if we'd see topics like these in Meta, moved there for better visibility? Oo

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If that would be debated I would always support 1miau!

I can add a list as well but we have already a table in our OP, should our table get replaced or should we have table and list?

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Of course, we would get a huge mess.  ::)
But Cricktor has now reviewed my comment and we have agreed to move it back to "Projektentwicklung", so it's fine now and issue solved.  :)


Let me guess, our weird forum pervs, like Timelord2067, would leave Merit and / or supportive comments?  :-X :-X

If you mean this table:


then yes, I was thinking that, perhaps, it would be more visible the translation list if it appears in the header of OP, like in the image I added in my earlier post?

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Yes, all good here :)

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Lol! Most likely =)))

Ok, so replacing it instead of keeping our table + adding a list right in from of our whole post (like in your picture)?

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Plz not.  :-X :-X
He's at it again with his wrong accusations. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462857.msg62678011#msg62678011)  :-X
And here as well... (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462781.msg62674707#msg62674707)

First of all I apologize for the delay in replying to you but I was very busy these days... I wanted to write a post also inside the topics you mentioned about our village idiot before replying here, so I could quote that post. Besides, I also had to dismantle a Ledger (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461815.msg62694410#msg62694410) and this took me even more time Oo

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Well this is up to you... I just thought that listing the translations in the upper side of the OP would make them more visible. If we have them there I guess they can be removed from the place they are placed right now. But however you feel it will be okay :)

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Sadly, the second topic, where I wanted to post, is locked. So basically, the imbecile now harasses HedgeFx (again (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459530.0)), this time for paying his load in advance? Oo And then he is calling out for theymos and LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462781.msg62674759#msg62674759)... to do what? Lol! This guy amazes me almost every day with his idiocy!

Replying a bit later here is totally fine, dear GazetaBitcoin.  :)
I really forgot that you are indeed a real computer / coding expert but wow, your work there (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461815.msg62694410#msg62694410) is very scientific, detailed and valuable for our community.  :) :)
+100  :)

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I'm not a designer but here's my suggestion:

Available translations: || Română (Romanian) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413999.0) by GazetaBitcoin || Deutsch (German) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.0) by 1miau

I'm not 100% happy, so if you have any additional ideas, plz let me know.  :)

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Yes, it's really a sad case, where Timelord2067 demonstrated again, that he should be nowhere near DT.  :-\

Blushing  ::) ::) ::)
Thanks for the kind words, 1miau, but it was merely pure chance combined with a lot of perseverance  :D

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Looks fine from my perspective :) Let's do it like this then.


Nope, it looks very well! So you should be 100% happy :)

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Fortunately, he is out of DT for a while and I believe he will also remain out of The Clowns Cartel for a looong time now (our clown car was too small anyway ;D ;D ;D).

I'm sure it took some time but you also needed much knowledge to apply there, so it's a great service for our community.
Maybe it's another topic for your translations list.
It's really sad what happened to Betnomi but at least, people can keep their Betnomi Ledgers (and put some stickers on it to tape Betnomi's logo).  :D

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Wow, I feel very honored to hear your positive reply. I've implemented it for now.  :)

But I'm still not 100% happy, dear GazetaBitcoin.
Maybe we should hire a designer?  ???

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Clown car? Yes, for sure it is way too small!!
For Bitcointalk, you need a whole clown bus, dear GazetaBitcoin.
And even then, we might still be in dire need of a big trailer...  :D :D

Well, what can I say then... have no fear, Gazeta is here  ::)


I also thought about this, but I am not decided yet... After all, it's just a post, not a topic per se. Besides, the post / hardware check were made solely for helping those having a Betnomi Ledger, thus the post won't be so useful for a large mass of users / readers... This is why I hesitated about adding this post to my translations list.


LOL!

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Yup, I noticed! Great job!


Why are you still not happy? :)


A designer for the topic header?  :o ;D :o

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Looooooooool!

I found a bus:

https://i.ibb.co/bs37QGG/Screenshot-2023-08-19-at-10-19-47-The-Clown-Bus.png

Not sure if we can find also a trailer Oo

Thank you, sir, for your meaningful post which impresses me a lot. I already translate all of the posts into my local language. I hope, in Bangladesh, it will be a much more helpful post to improve Bangali local boards' post quality. Thank you so much for your own @1miau creations with the help of @GazetaBitcoin who is my Ideal.

Hey there!

If you'll engage in making this translation, please do not forget this very important part:


So practically, what you'll have to do is to construct a new topic, in Bengali language, highlighting the main problems of the posts made in this language. For example, I and 1miau discussed in our translations about these aspects: (1) English mixed with German (Denglisch); (2) English mixed with Romanian (Romglisch); (3) avoiding pyramidal quotes; (4) mistakes made by beginners; (5) 1miau's merit criteria.

Please take a thorough look at the German and Romanian versions of the translation before you proceed. If any of the above issues affect Bengali posts, feel free to add them to your translation. If there are other issues present in Bengali posts then mention them and add, for reference, topics or posts which discuss about how to avoid those issues.

So please be very careful, as this translation does not mean to translate this topic, but to create a new one, in your language, presenting the problems with posts in Bengali language and with references about these issues and how to avoid them.

Okay, Sir. I'll make it in my local language's helpful words or any examples. Sir, need time for proper optimization. As soon as possible, I'll send you the proof.

Hello, we are very happy to have you on board.  :)
Like outlined by GazetaBitcoin, it's really important to customize your topic for your local board.
You can add many points, where your local board needs to improve posting quaility, how to avoid common mistakes etc.
As an inspiration, you can have a look at our topics:

Available translations: || Română (Romanian) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413999.0) by GazetaBitcoin || Deutsch (German) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.0) by 1miau

I hope it's working for you to read our German / Romanian version via Google translate and be able to see how we have customized our versions for our local boards.
For example: Bengali local is currently just a big topic, so it's different from German / Romanian local board. We are looking forward to your version.  :)
If you have any question, feel free to ask here.
I've added your reservation for Bengali translation to my OP.  :)

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I don't know, it's still a bit meh (but yet not MehMeh).  :D

Yes, maybe?
We need to stimulate Bitcointalk economy.  :)

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See, it's already full and we probably need a 2nd one...
Too many clowns here...

Today, Latviand has PMed me and reserved to create a translated version for our Filipino Local Board.
I've accepted his request and added him to my OP where I've listed all translations:

Reserved Translations

Bengali (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62717673#msg62717673) - roksana.hee
Filipino (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62744039#msg62744039) - Latviand

Looking forward to his work.  :)

Here is the converting post that was written in my own language: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M_Vr0_3OOvYhmGnXtq-_LrjJxPzHPzTrvgTalMfHoW0/edit?usp=sharing

In this post, "Română (Romanian) by GazetaBitcoin." @GazetaBitcoin, he mentioned a few additional posts, If you want then I'll try to convert that into my local language. If someone already translated that post then send me the link and I'll add that link in the post.

The topics I mentioned are the following ones:


Their original names are the following:


Three out of these four topics are in English / German. I added them as I believed they are of interest for this campaign. However, one of the topics is in Romanian, written by me, dedicated specially for this campaign: Avoiding Romglish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413998.0).

Additionally, I also added a picture of a book which students learn from in their first elementary grade:


In a similar manner, 1miau added the following resources in his translation:

- the topics [META] Pyramiden-Quotes im deutschsprachigen Board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391819.0) and [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3749076.0)
- the topic Zu viel Denglisch im deutschsprachigen Forumsbereich (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5414000.0), written by himself, dedicated specially for this campaign and advocating against Denglish (mix of German with English)
- the topic 1miau Merit-Kriterien (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275433.0)
- an image of Duden, which a dictionary of the Standard High German language.

And this is the moment you reached the most difficult part of this work.

As you see, when we translated this campaign topic, we added inside the translation some resources written in English but also some written in Romanian, respective German. These are the topics written by 1miau and me, with the occasion of this campaign.


Therefore, in order to have a proper translation -- meaning a proper content inside your translation, you should also add some topics / posts written in your language (either by you or by another Bengali user), thus the translation will not contain only resources in English or another language. You must add also resources written in Bengali. Obviously, these resources in Bengali should address issues present in Bengali board. We talked about the mix of Romanian with English, respectively about the mix of German with English. But only you should know the issues present in the Bengali board. (Obviously, you can consult about this with other Bengali users -- I would recommend to talk to Learn Bitcoin about this subject.)

Now do you see why this translation is so difficult? :)

GazetaBitcoin has already delivered a very detailed explanation, so I've not much to add.
Of course, it's also possible to adjust your Bitcointalk topic after publication and add some more points later.
Maybe a few Bitcointalk members from your local sections will have some interesting ideas about issues to address in your Bengali local board and you can implement them.

The linked topics in our German / Romanian local versions for your Bengali local version can also be added later, if you don't have any time yet and just want to present most of the basics. But after all, it's also important for these basics to be customized for your local board.
When reading your posts, readers should get an impression which mistakes to avoid / which issues to improve to get a better posting quality in your local board.  :)

Don't hurry, even if it takes some time, it's fine because a nice version for your local board is very important.  :)

After I talked with 2 Bengali users with reputation on the forum, I understood that the translation content is very poor, uses inadequate Bengali words and, worst of worst, some parts were translated using automated translating tools. This is totally not acceptable and is also against forum rules:


As a consequence I suggest you to do again the entire translation from scratch and do it properly this time.

Woow, it is very sad to hear it's not a genuine effort.  :'(
And after all, our topic is about posting quality, if it's indeed just pasted into an automated translator, it's a really bad lesson learned. Maybe we should add it to our Merit criteria but it should be common sense somehow (well, many rules are common sense and still we see members violating them  :D).
I don't know how many parts are affected but yes, shouldn't happen.

Many thanks for consulting 2 members of our Bengali local board, dear GazetaBitcoin.  :)

Yes, it's a good suggestion. A second chance is deserved in my opinion.  :)
I'm looking forward to it.

I'll revise all of the content again, Sir. Have a good day!

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I'll revise all of the content properly. Have a good day!

Of course, take your time to revise it and do it properly. We don't have any time limit for your local board version to be done, so no hurry.
If your published version is legitimate, well written and you are bringing up valid and important points, I'm sure your effort will be rewarded. It's always a pleasure to see people willing to improve here on Bitcointalk.
We have seen many people who are not willing to improve, even doubling down on their wrongdoing and that's very disappointing.  :'(

So, you are already one step above of them.  :)

Today, zasad@ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2654005) has PMed me and offered to make a customized translation for his Russian local board.
I've agreed to it and added zasad@ to our reserved translations list:

Reserved Translations

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Russian (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62902132#msg62902132) - zasad@


I'm looking forward to his translation and I'm happy that our campaign is getting more attention and brought to additional local boards.  :)

Do you think local boards have poor posting quality? In some ways I don't see it that way

It's difficult to say "local board xy has poor posting quality". Because we need to have a nucanced view here.
It's a known fact that shitposters are active in all local boards (except inactive ones). Maybe because it's more difficult for Campaign Managers to review such posts. Maybe...
But on the other hand, many local boards have quality posters, too. Maybe because it's easier for someone to write quality content in their native language (removes language barrier). Maybe...

We have reasons for and against. So, we need to have a nucanced view.

What we should do for sure: improve posting quality for local boards. It's never wrong to look out, where we can improve.  :)

zasad finished the first translation of our campaign thread, for Russian local board.


I checked the adaptation and I believe it looks good.

Congrats for your work, zasad! You are first forum member which manages to create a nice adaptation of our thread in a local board! And thank you for spreading the word about this campaign!

Things were different until 2018, 2019. I would say that's  a bit strange since the Bitcointalk community has grown year by year... and is not just about poor posting quality, there are fewer and fewer posts..

Yes, it's nice to see and I've asked him to announce it here, so I'm sure he'll also say a few words.  :)

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Unfortunately, instead of evaluating how posting quality could get improved, a few (obviously butthurt) shitposters and their friends appeared in the translated topic and didn't spare with unconstructive criticism.  ::)

Also, to give zasad@ an appropriate answer to counter these unhelpful posts, I would like to address all points brought up there (legitimate ones and not legitimate ones):


satscraper alleged that: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468182.msg62906167#msg62906167)

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/27/PRxbC.png

Well, if he had read a bit further, he would know what's meant with "avoid unnecessary Denglish" / "Romglish" etc.:

So, avoiding unnecessary Denglish is only valid for words, when there's a known and common translation in our native language. Even in German, I wouldn't call words "Shitcoin", "Fork" (if a Blockchain split like BCH or BSV is meant) or similar Blockchain-specific words (if there's no common translation available).
Maybe it's a bit different for Russian and of course, advocating to select Russian words instead of (avoidable English ones) might appear in a bad light since Putler invaded Ukraine.
But regarding this, keep one thing in mind: It's far better to go after Putler than not to apply the Russian language properly. Ukrainians die from Putin's unnecessary war every day but no people die from applying the Russian language correctly...
For our German laguage, I can only tell that it's just common sense to think a bit, if there's a common translation available and APPLY THE TRANSLATION.

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Ratimov alleged that: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468182.msg62907824#msg62907824)

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/27/PR0GW.png

While I believe, important parts can be lost in translation, I only want to address outright false statements here:

It's wrong that our campaign didn't achieve anything positive. Obviously, Ratimov hasn't read anything in our original topic. Because our topic has 100% support in our Romanian section and PrivacyG's very positive reception (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg61360166#msg61360166). In our German section, we have positive examples like CoinEraser and it's a fact that posts have gotten better. Less pyramid quotes, less spam, less unnecessary Denglish (also, because I'm deleting this in my topics), more interesting giveaways, especially from Turbartuluk (GazetaBitcoin can confirm it) and that's only what our campaign achieved so far. It's still a project to keep expanding and as we can see now, our topic was brought to the Russian section as well.  :)

About Ratimov's crazy accusation that there's "nothing useful in that topic" and "that he didn't see any practical advice", it's an outright lie. Our whole topic is giving important advice how to improve posting quality. Because common mistakes like pyramid quotes are still an issue. People are lazy and we need to remind them about it again and again. If that's not enough, repeated offenders need to be excluded from any additional Merits (and those who show good posting quality should be rewarded, because rewarding good posts is how MERIT is intended to work), offenders should get their shitposts deleted or, like from actmyname, get a neutral trust. My whole topic consists of common advice what to to better and the past has shown, that these problems, which are brought up in my topic, are far from being solved. Our topic is one approach of many to improve Bitcointalk.

After all, a reply like from Ratimov is suggesting a very dangerous viewpoint: that we can't do anything about posting quality at all, that shitposting is getting normailzed, that all effort to increase posting quality is wasted time (it's not true at all) and even that advocating for a better posting quality would be "spam".  ::)
LOL...

At this point, I just hope that Google Translate made massive errors because what Ratimov alleged here is insanely wrong.

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The most stupid take is coming from shitpost apologist light_warrior: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468182.msg62906280#msg62906280)

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/27/PRlyJ.png

At this point, I don't need to add much more, he's just what we've seen in the German section as well: a pitiful shitpost apologist, who's extremely butthurt that zasad@ dared to encourage a better posting quality.  :D
Because we all know what shitposters and their friends don't like: being exposed.
Let's see if he's courageous enough to reply here and explain his pro-shitposting bullshit.
We will promise to give shitposters and their friends a hard time.


But of course, it's important to mention that there were also constructive posts like from Etranger (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468182.msg62908282#msg62908282) or witcher_sense (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468182.msg62909869#msg62909869).  :) :)
I've rewarded these comments with Merit.  :)

Courage? Ha ha. It doesn't take courage to respond to your bullshit post. If you can't take criticism well, you need to work on yourself.

Me? Offensively? Why should I be offended? It's funny. Let your zasad write what he wants, it doesn't make me cold or hot.

Yes, I appeared on the forum much later than you, but, nevertheless, I have done several times more useful for the forum than you. Take a walk through the threads that deal with plagiarism reports, with AI shitposters, with ban evaders and you'll see my usefulness.

I'm not even talking about Ratimov at all. He has done 1000 times more useful than you.

So my advice to you, learn to take criticism normally first, and then communicate with people.

And yes, keep doing what you are doing. Maybe you'll get something out of it :) Good luck to you.


Is that a threat?

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If you're such fighters against shitty posts in localized sections, why aren't you fighting back? Why don't you send reports to the moderators on such shitty posts?





I can cite many more posts like this from our newbies.

Or is your fight only in words? Where are your actions? Why doesn't your zasad send reports on these posts? And there are a huge number of such posts in the Russian section.

Further communication with you is useless. I'd rather go find a plagiarizer or an AI shitposter. That would be more useful.

I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Looks like I have confused "courage" with "stupidity" for your case.  :D
Thanks for coming here and showing everyone that I've been right about your shitpost against our campaign.  :)

You haven't provided a single legitimate, constructive criticism. Only thing you have provided is a low-level shitpost for the sake of providing a shitpost.

I don't know why you got offended. Obviously you got offended because you left a butthurt reply in zasad@'s translation.

Bold claim, dude, bold claim! You've obviously not bothered to look at my post history before writing such bullshit, which tells a lot about you.
Don't get sick by all of your over self-confidence because it might hurt you badly.

LOL, your plagiarism reports, where you add all the time the same, unnecessary fluff?




No shit, sherlock! Or does someone expect that plagiarizers are selling overprized flowers?

What's the intention to add this unnecessary bullshit fluff in every of your reports?
To have more characters that your shitposts are eligible to receive a reward for sigspam?  :D :D

Bold claim once again and, as expected, zero proof.
Gonna report him for plagiarism as well with your stupid posts?

No need to give me any advice, especially when you are providing exactly zero valid criticism. Because after your childish shitpost you just looked like a washed clown.  :D

Depends on if you are are shitposter / their friend or not. If you aren't a shitposter and as well not their friend, you don't have to fear anything.  :)

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Maybe you've missed to notice it: I'm not active in the Russian local board...


What you are doing might be a, well, let's call it noble effort but I believe the issue you don't understand boils down to:

"Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he will be fed for a lifetime"

I'm more in favor to teach people how to learn fishing.  ;)

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The viewpoint, that we can't do anything about posting quality at all, that shitposting is getting normailzed, that all effort to increase posting quality is wasted time and that such campaigns, like we did, are getting belittled, IS a dangerous point of view because it's paving the way to a Bitcointalk, where shitposting is something "normal".
- More and more valuable members will leave the forum because no one wants to wade through spam
- More and more services will quit advertising on Bitcointalk
- Bitcoin will become even more menaningless, Back then I've discovered Bitcointalk due to well-written technical posts.

That's true but our campaign never claimed to remove ALL of spam, plagiarism, shitposting etc.


D'accord, BADecker can get banned right away (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400571.0), I don't mind.  :)

Our campaign is just creating awareness, what's important to have a look at for a better posting quality.
And as a Merit source, we have some leverage: reward good posts by giving out Merit. We are not saying our campaign will solve all problems but it's a step into the right direction.
But we need more people pushing for this.
And at that point your "we can't do anything anyways" attitude is not helpful.  :'(

It's not an "objective reality", as explained above. The campaign already achieved a positive outcome.

I disagree here.
If that topic to create awareness about the dangers of centralized exchanges, helps one person, it*s already a positive outcome. I'm always surprised how many people still don't know such basics.

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At least, that's constructive criticism. +1
And could be seen as extension to my point 1 of my 1miau Merit criteria.

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How information is presented is a big criteria to make content more readable. No one likes walls of texts because it’s very hard to read 20 lines of textblocks. We should always try to divide texts into meaningful paragraphs, add sub-headlines, add tables to visualize content etc.
BBCode has so many options.
And of course, we should also avoid pyramid quotes. Many idiots still do this.

In our local board, applying our local langage is very important. Bitcointalk has always been a very educated place and who really wants to read loads of illiterate gibberish, where so many spelling errors, punctuation errors, awful Denglish, inappropraite words or similar bullshit is written.
GazetaBitcoin has agreed to this, and it's hard to think about any reason, why we should not recommend to apply our local languages properly at a high level.

I've not written that you've said that shitposting would be something normal. I've said, that statements like from you, that we can't do anything against shitposting, will inevitably lead to resignation and as a result, shitposters will be dancing on the table.


It's a noble goal and we should continue to reach that goal, even if it's only one step at a time.  :)


We have / had some provocateurs as well. Luckily we got rid of them.  :)
I hope, you'll get rid of them as well. A harsh approach helped us to succeed. Maybe it's helpful for you as well. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2118956)  :)


Okay, because our campaign is also intended to remind about common mistakes like pyramid quotes, avoiding unnecessary Denglish etc. where also older members are frequently not up to date and commit such mistakes. At least in our German board.


Of course, everyone will have a different viewpoint here. But what I'm finding very helpful, is to make aware, in which ways centralized exchanges can be dangerous. Most centralized exchanges don't have any legitimate license, even Germany's regulatory office (BAFIN, German SEC) doesn't care at all to hold these shithouses responsible. Deposited coins on exchanges are always in danger because we can't send them anywhere, when deposited. Not our keys, not our coins - I can't repeat it often enough. 
Newbies should be aware about the dangers of centralized exchanges and the number of posts (also in our local board) about issues with centralized exchanges is quite high and in the end, it is always leading to the conclusion that these Newbies "didn't know about it".
Well, if we can make aware about it, they might know about it, before it happens.  :)

That seems to be a very helpful topic, I've noted it down and will read it later, when I've some more time, maybe next week.
Of course, it's advanced content but definitely something, we would like to encourage with our campaign and it's also a good read even for Newbies.
Maybe I need to go a bit more into detail in our campaign introduction post, that such educational topics, like linked by you above, are also eligible for a Merit reward and exactly what we want to see more often.  :)

I understand your point about teaching people how to fish, and I support your efforts to make this forum less spammed, however I have doubts, reasonable as far as I can see, that everyone can be taught. I mean, users which light_warrior reports in the Plagiarism and AI report threads make regular copy past and apparently they don't see any problem with this, despite the existence of many training and quality improving initiatives and help in understanding the rules of the forum, as well as opportunities to turn to senior users for advice.

I also sometimes come across newbies, and not only newbies, who systematically write AI-generated posts, and many of them are starting their way on the forum by doing that. I don't think that such people can be retrained or taught, because they themselves do not show any intention to do so, if they write plagiarism or AI content in their first posts. They don't even need to be familiar with the rules of the forum, it's enough just to be a conscious person and understand why you shouldn't do that. These are not some special rules of this forum, which turn out to be so complicated and incomprehensible that beginners break them without understanding it.

Therefore, those whom light_warrior reports hardly deserve a different treatment, because they do not show any motivation to learn and change their behavior. Unfortunately, they will not even see that you have started such an initiative, let alone put in the effort and learn. Therefore, in my opinion, the principle "take a fishing rod, hit them on the head, and drive them out of the pond for fishing" works better with such users.

Just because you can't improve everyone's post quality/habits, doesn't automatically mean that what 1miau/GazetaBitcoin (and others) are trying to do is completely useless and waste of time. Sure, we all know that majority of members (especially new ones) are essentially shitposters who came for one reason only, but every once in a while promising new member appears who needs just a little bit of help to improve and change the bad habits.

I never said that what 1miau and GazetaBitcoin are doing is useless and waste of time. What I said was that not everyone show even slight desire to learn. Even if you give them all the needed tools and create the best opportunities. As far as I understood, 1miau thought that that kind of users whom  light_warrior repeatedly reports for plagiarism, could be taught and set right. But I believe that sometimes it is not possible, because such members don't even want to try, because they are not being systematically banned and they feel impunity, that is why they don`t see any point in making things according to the rules. And such users won't appreciate or use what 1miau and GazetaBitcoin created to help them. That is why I think they would rather be reported and banned.

Rikafip explained it very well already because our campaign is only intended to make aware of a better posting quality. Of course, our campaign can't solve all issues here on Bitcointalk and even if few members show improved posting quality, it's already a nice achievement.
And everyone, who's showing a meaningful improvement will get a reward measured in Merit.  :)

Plagiarism is what moderators need to enforce by banning offenders. It's 100% a forum rules issue and banning is not our business here besides explaining that plagiarism will lead to a (permanent) ban due to Bitcointalk's rules and that proper quoting is necessary for a good post to all other members (to know, where the copied content comes from).
In addition, light_warrior disqualified himself completely from any meaningful discussion due to his inappropriate, wrong and rude accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62914725#msg62914725).

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Depends on if they are here
a) just to abuse / spam the forum
b) for a genuine reason

For a), we can't do anything except banning them
For b), we can talk peacefully and remind them, that such writings are not beneficial for Bitcointalk.

But some people don't know. Some even don't know how to use BBCode properly.
I know someone who I referred to Bitcointalk, he's very old already but a nice person and it's very difficult for him to use Bitcointalk due to the outdated layout. That's why basic guides, tutorials and even campaigns like ours can be helpful.
Of course, not for everyone on Bitcointalk and we have repeatedly announced that it's impossible to teach everyone but it's very possible for us to teach some people (as many as possible of course).

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And we are targeting those, who are willing to learn.  ;)


I've never claimed that and if that sounded like that, it's most likely due to the fact that light_warrior took my post completely out of context and spammed his hateful, misleading nonsense in our topic by derailing it.
Of course, our campaign doesn't target outright trolls or plagiarizers.
We all know these abusers who are just here to commit plagiarism etc..
Yes, ban them right away.
But I believe that we have new (and old) members here, who are not (yet / still) aware of it and our campaign is a great help for such members.

That's true, spammes, abusers and shitosters don't like our campaign because we are actively advocating against industrial shitposting.  :)
Those, who don't want to learn how to fish, despite being teached several times, repeatedly, I can support it, if they get banned (plagiarism / shitposting) or a neutral trust like from actmyname (shitposting).

Thanks OP for bringing such a well minded compaign. Local Boards posts needed to be informative, well explained, well researched which useful for readers. Newbie generally started with very poor quality posting but your idea will help all local board to produce constructive posters. Bitcointalk is best forum for any crypto related information and its should be cleaned from junk and spam posts.

I have shared compaign in my local Thread Pakistan and like to be added in your first page. I have double checked before posting and I believe that there is no mistake. You can check it and if you see any mistake, I will edit.

Pakistan پوسٹ کے معیار کو بڑھانے کے لیے مہمات (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg62993474#msg62993474)

It's very nice to have a translation for our Pakistan local forum. I'm not a native speaker of your local language and it's a very different language from German / English, so it's very hard to check but it looks like you really put some effort into it. We like to see such effort and you made good points in your topic.  :)

Also added to my list.  :)

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Someone requested to enlarge your font to make it more readable. I don't know if it's an issue but if it's helpful, maybe you can increase font size:

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Of course, it's a very important point and teaching it to Newbies is very beneficial for Bitcointalk because many Newbies still don't know.  :)

Not only newbies, to be honest. Everyone keeps talking about newbies and how they break forum rules because of not knowing them or because of not paying decent attention to them. But I suppose many forget that those newbies eventually become members, full members and even higher, but they still don`t know a lot about forum policy and continue to write low quality posts even though they are not newbies any more, at least technically speaking. That is why I believe that advice for improving quality are useful for everyone despite forum rank and activity. If a person strive to learn he will always find something new to himself.

Congrats for this translation, HONDACD125! I am more than glad to see another user which managed to realize this complex translation, which is, in fact, an adaptation to a local board. It's difficult to check thoroughy the Urdu translation but, from what I see, you added some important links in your post and I think they are valuable for Urdu users.

Apart from this, I have only one small request to you. Please edit your post title and change it from "Re: Pakistan پوسٹ کے معیار کو بڑھانے کے لیے مہمات" to "وسٹ کے معیار کو بڑھانے کے لیے مہمات". It will look more professional this way.

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@1miau: please don't forget also to add to OP zasad@'s translation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5442314.msg62908608#msg62908608).

Very good comment and I totally agree here. Older members should know all the issues mentioned in our campaign and still we have many old members ingoring them. Mabye because older members are not aware and uneducated, maybe because it's more convenient for them to disregard common advice. For example, even old members engage in pyramid quoting, unnecessary Denglish, tons of spelling and punctuation errors.
You have written in our German loacal board as well and despite that you are not from Germany, your posting quality from a spelling perspective is often better than the average (old member) low-effort poster in our local section.
It is really a lot about willingness to lern, where many old members needs a reminder. Hopefully, our campaign will be the reminder.  :)

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:D
Looks like I've forgotten to add it. It's now included in our OP.  :)

Thank you, writing in your German Local is even more important to me in terms of the language, than crypto discussions, to be honest. Right now I don't have another opportunity to practice my German, and it was such a relief and pleasure, than the German community accepted me, even though I am not a native speaker.

Speaking about Denglisch, I was eager to ask for some time now, why do you consider it such a bad thing? I mean, in a modern world, we cannot escape the spread of English-speaking culture, and of course, each language will borrow words to one degree or another, especially if their meanings and subject components were originally invented in the English language field.

For example, I don't really know how to say Halving or Mining or Staking the way it would be correct in German. Moreover, I don't know which article I should use with this words, and this is not the kind of information you easily get from student`s language book. That is why I believe, than sometimes the usage of borrowed words are justified, especially when you don`t have an alternative and analogue in your mother tongue.

Denglish is a bad thing because it alters your mother language. You as a nation and each individual of the nation should do everything is possible to preserve the mother language.

Think about a natural reservation. All visitors must keep that place clean and as unaltered as possible. And someone asks: why can't I throw garbage on the ground and leave it there? / Because this is how this reservation can be preserved, that's why.

Does it make sense?

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Your answer is here:


In English, it means this


In conclusion: words which can not be translated can be used as they are; words used worldwide ("manager") can also be used as they are. But words which can be translated must be used in their German form.

You and 1miau are absolutely right. Using Denglish is not advisable. For most of the languages, Denglish is not entirely necessary. But for some languages, I think we can pardon the use of Denglish.

Here is why I think that: I'm a Bangla speaker, which is my native language. But there are so many words in English that we don't use their translated meaning. Instead, we speak or write it as it is pronounced. Not that we don't know that meaning or anything. We know the real meaning, but people are used to speaking pronounced English. Like the words grammar, payment, sports, trading, admin, moderator, report, etc. These are all I can think of at this moment. I'm not saying everyone uses Denglish by default. But for most of us, if you check our local thread, those words are written as pronounced. We have the Bangla meaning. But we don't use that. We are not used to it, and sometimes it may sound funny.
 
I have an explanation why we use Denglish a lot. First of all, Bengla is a mixed language. Why mix? I'll give the reason. The land where we are located was ruled by different conquerors (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Bengal) at different times. We have a vast history of war, fighting, battles, and rebellion. And every time we were ruled by a party, different cultural heritages were exchanged. That's why we have such a wide variety of words. If you compare from the very beginning, you'll see there are many, many words that didn't originally belong to the Bangla language source but somehow got added to it. People use different bangla in different parts of Bangladesh. Not totally different, but slightly. But if we look at English, it's almost everywhere universal.


My side conclusion: We should avoid using Denglish. But we should use Denglish for most common words. As people are used to that Denglish. If we use translated meaning, some even might wonder what that word is. But the whole point of a translation was for the people to able to understand it.
 
Everything I wrote above is totally my own personal opinion, from my own perspective. So if you think I did anything wrong, feel free to correct me.

That's a great explanation and Learn Bitcoin (who's also from our Bengali local board) told me the same, that Bangla language isn't really a historical native language because it originated from many sources, for example from England's rule in that part of the world and Bengali was heavily influenced from it. But you already did a great job here explaining it.
That's where German and the Bengali language are very different.

I'm judging "Denglish" or GazetaBitcoin "Romglish" (Romanian + English) from the following viewpoint:

In German, we have a lot of words, even many words for the same thing, sometimes a little bit different meaning (just nuances). So, in Germany we have these words but often, someone wants to be "cool" because he's using English words instead of German ones, while there ARE plenty of German words to express exactly, what he's wanting to say.


And if we don't apply these words, our original language might go extinct and get replaced by a horrible gibberish, where our native language gets less words every time because words are replaced by a different language all the time and it's a big pity for our native language.
As someone, who's well aware that in German, many people don't apply our native language correctly, I have "avoiding Denglish / applying our language properly" as my Merit criteria to make aware to avoid eroding our own language.
Because once a word is replaced, such words are lost in our language and it's very sad in my opinion


So, we can see, it seems to be really very different for our languages.  :)

Those who think it's useless are actually useless. They are just too lazy to accept the truth and start learning. I too am lacking in terms of knowledge and quality, but at least I'm not afraid to learn further. At first, everyone is a shitposter. Nobody is born a quality poster. But those who are constantly trying to improve their posts become quality posters. That's how I see it.

1miau and Gazeta they are doing a magnificent job at teaching the forum. When I first joined the forum, I didn't even knew what BBcodes were! I though it was some kind of HTML code. Later when I translated a post for Gazeta, then I realized what Bbcodes were, how they worked. After that I learned of PGP keys, what there were, what their purpose were. The same way before.

Just because one think its useless doesn't mean its useless to everyone. It could be harmful for one, it could be blessing for other.

I totally agree with your point about the necessity to keep the language "clean". I believe that speakers of all languages sooner or later come to the realisation that their language became mixed with other ones and original native words are not longer used commonly. However, there are two different situations with that matter, as far as I can see.

The first one is worse for me, and it lies in Surzhyk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surzhyk), as we call it in Ukraine. When grammar rules, phonetic features, sentence construction structure from two or three different languages are mixed. When the words of one language are pronounced in the manner of another, with intonation, stress, characteristic of another language. It sounds terrible, unnatural, illiterate and disgusting. We have a lot of this in Ukraine, because the Russian language and culture were planted here for centuries, and people forgot their Ukrainian language because of this. I believe that what you mean by Denglisch is closer to Surzhyk, and I can not agree more that thees phenomena must be erased from any language.

However, I also can think about the second case. When some of the words from another language are "borrowed" and begin be used in other one. For example, such words as selfie, smartphone, like, laptop are commonly used in Ukrainian language. Of course, we have some linguistic initiatives to create Ukrainian analogies for thees words, but I personally find this unnecessary and unnatural, because these translations don't sound relevant and original, they sound fake. I don't use them, I am more comfortable with English words. And I don't see anything wrong with it, because I understand, that we live in a globalised world with dominant English-speaking culture. And it is impossible to stay aside, not for the separate person, nor cultures. There are no more separate, authentic, closed cultures and languages, because the impact of globalization is very visible and strong.

My intention is not really about keeping it "clean", it's more like keeping it "sane" ( = a language which is nice to speak / write).
I've no problems with new words being derived from other languages if there's no common translation available (yet). This has happened in the past and will keep happening. The only thing we should avoid is any excessive influence, like English is currently the most dangerous language. I can remember that France has an official association in place to do this job to keep too many English words in check.

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Okay, I don't know this for German maybe it's because Ukrainian and Russian are very similar.
But interesting story.  :D

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This has happened in the past as well and for German, some words are derived from French, for example and also for words, where no German word existed before. This is totally acceptable, if there's no direct German translation possible, considered that these words are now pronounced in a German way, that they get common in our language and such cases are enriching our language because such a word didn't exist in our language before.
Like you've said: Selfie, Smartphone or Laptop (all words capitalized as we are writing German) are words, where we don't have an appropriate translation in German as well. Maybe there will be one at some point but there's no one yet.

So, a simple rule regarding unnecessary Denglish: if there's a (common) german word existing, we should choose it of course. If there's no (common) German word existing it might be appropriate to "borrow" a foreign word, if it's fitting into the German language and can't be translated in a common way. For example, for "Blockchain", we don't say "Blockkette" (which would be a currently non-existant translation, still people would understand it but it's not common).
It might change but I wouldn't call "Laptop", "Blockchain" etc. to be "unnecessary Denglish" right now.  :)

Actually, Ukrainian and Russian are not that similar, as it is commonly being thought. Especially by foreigners. They are different by sentence construction, by using Fall (I don`t know how to say it in English, but I mean Nominativ, Genitiv and the others, you have 4 in German, we have 7 in Ukrainian, and there are 6 in Russian), but mostly it is the  pronunciation that differs. The "melody" of these two languages vary a lot. And that is what being completely mixed up and abused in Surzhyk. That is why I hate it so much, because it destroys two authentic languages by creating something terribly disgusting and annoying for your ears.

Local board can also be seen as the main fundamental section of the forum everyone of us belongs because we all have our indigenous language we speak locally while English is just the general official language, members should take local boards as important as where they should be able to give their best because it has been made simplified for them to conveniently express their mind and contributions to the forum and this begins with every members of their local board getting one or two benefits from what they are posting, local board will make every get carried along with the use of bitcoin irrespective of their dialect or race since they have the opportunity to learn in their local dialects.

With your permission I will like to translate this topic to my local board naija "pidgin language". Thank you.

Chilwell, before starting this translation, have you read what it implies? Have you read previous posts and OP? I mean parts like this:


I just want to make sure that you understand that this translation is not a "normal" one, but an adaptation to your local board needs / issues.

Now I understood that it not normal translation which I thought it was, I first read it but didn't put much attention, now I understand the direction it heading to, I once come across this type of translation made by "fillippone" here is link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156874.msg51545936#msg51545936 which i try my possible best to do it but I failed and now this one is similar to that of fillippone, if I will be guide, I will make sure I do the two.

Thanks for drawing my attention to this noticed, I will love it if you will be opportune to put me through because the is an interesting topic that our local need badly.

I would like to reserve my local language and post a translation in my local board
#Proof of JOIN
Language:pidgin
Bitcointalk Account:Hatchy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3546931;sa=showPosts)

Have you read just a few posts above your that another Pidgin translator said he wants to make this translation?

Sorry about that @GazetaBitcoin, I just taught he won't be doing the translation, since he said here that he failed in the last attempt translating a similar thread made by @ fillippone. I'm not saying he can't try but just dropped my application, just incase he is unable to finish his translation of this campaign. Because from my observations, he has reserved all 1miau's post,



and I wonder how he intends on finishing all these translations by himself. There isn't supposed to be any competition when it comes to translation. I think his behaviors will soon raise an alarm on the reputation board soon.If you can't translate a post, you may as well let others do it. It won't be nice having reserve a post for you to translate and at the end, you still couldn't translate such post. I will just have to wait for a while, when I'm done with mine.

Hey Hatchy! Chilwell did not say that he is not doing the translation anymore. I believe it's best if you discuss with him about it.

However, the question remains, even if he steps down and you come up: do you think that you isolated some serious issues in your local board, which can be improved by translating this thread? If you isolated problems in your local board, then did you also find resources in your languages which address those problems? If there are no such resources already written, did you think about writing a topic addressing the existent issues from your local board?

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@1miau: I'd suggest to update the application code sequence, thus it will be even more clear for applicants that this translation is not a regular one. At th moment, the application looks like this:


Perhaps we could add something like this:


What do you think?

Hello  :)

Sorry, I've missed your post yesterday...
Of course, you can try to bring our topic to your local board but as already explained by GazetaBitcoin, it's not a normal translation. You need to customize it for your local board:
- Evaluate if the points mentioned in other local board translations also apply for your local board or if there might be changes needed (you can use Google translate to get a meaning of our Romanian or German local board version)
- Bring up unique points for your local board, where you believe, an improvement needs to be made.
- Link other topics in your translation, where advice to improve posting quality is given.
- ...

Here are also some more advices:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62762338#msg62762338
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62762854#msg62762854
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62721105#msg62721105
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62717804#msg62717804

If you still would like to give it a try, I can reserve a translation for your local board.  :)

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If Chilwell doesn't want to do it, I can come back to you.
But for now, like GazetaBitcoin pointed out already, Chilwell is first in line.

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We will find a solution and check if it's a quality translation, of course.
In addition, there are hundreds of interesting topics here on Bitcointalk, where you could provide a translation to bring helpful content to your local board.  :)

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It's a great idea. I've added some more lines, see OP.  :)

Reserve it for me, I will give it a trial, but do me a favour if their is anything I need in the process l will let you know for more guide.

You can also do it together with Hatchy, if you want. Maybe there are multiple ideas, how to improve posting quality for your local board or you can simply co-sponsor it, like GazetaBitcoin did for my German topic.
Or Hatch could do a proofreading as well.  :)

In case of any question, feel free to ask here.  :)

Looks great! Thumb up!

I also have one more suggestion: I believe it would be more adequate to change "Pakistan" with "Urdu" in these sequences:

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And I'd also like to remind roksana.hee and Latviand that they reserved this translation a long while ago. roksana.hee stated on August 30th (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62767829#msg62767829) that she'll revise her translation, as the first attempt was poor. roksana.hee, do you have any update about the translation?

Latviand, on the other side, reserved on August 24th (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62744039#msg62744039) the Filipino translation, via PM. 1miau, do you think you can ask him through a PM for a heads-up about his progress? It's been almost 3 months since then.

No pressure here, I am just curious of these translations are still in plan or they were abandoned.

Please allow @1miau, let me summarize a little, hopefully it can be useful...

Providing QUALITY POSTS is essential to maintain Bitcointalk as a source of Bitcoin-related content and to prevent spammers from joining bounty campaigns.

   Merit was introduced to encourage more engaging content and to reward quality posts.
Example: Criteria that can earn Merit include presenting interesting guides, tutorials, or in-depth topics, providing helpful comments, dividing articles into meaningful sections, avoiding spam, and avoiding violations such as excessive advertising or spreading fake news.

  Violations that may reduce your chances of earning Merit include unnecessary use of mixed language, spreading fake news, spam, and inferior posts.
A campaign has been held to raise awareness about how to write quality posts and encourage members to avoid useless posts. One of the goals is to avoid unnecessary mixed language and ensure quality posts.

   This campaign aims to improve the quality of posts on the forum (Bitcointalk) in the hope that members will focus more on the goal of making useful contributions.

I wouldn't make such an accent on bounty campaigns. Spammers create problems even when they don't wear any signatures. Not everything and everyone here on the forum care s much about signature campaigns, actually. Of course, the later could provoke more spam and shit content, however, in my opinion 1miau didn't mean that bounties are the main problem and the key reason why he created this thread. It is more about conscious behaviour here on bitcointalk and preventing deeds that destroy forum and its community step by step.

I have noticed one thing about quality of posts made here in the forum. There's a very nice tool that will enable anyone to constantly produce quality posts in the forum and that is "being conscious of quality always".
Whenever anyone opens their computer to make a post in the forum, if they are quality conscious, there's a very big tendency that the person will produce quality. Quality has nothing much to do with signature campaign. I good poster will always be good whether or not they are wearing paid signature. A poor poster will only try to improve their post quality in order to decieve a campaign manager to hire them, but as time goes , their post quality will deteriorate.

So, for the benefit of the forum, it is important to have users develop a good posting habit.

Honestly, I am not sure that this is even possible. First of all, we cannot talk about "quality" as something common and understood for everybody the same way. Every person would put his own meaning in this term. For some users a good and appropriate joke would be considered as quality post, for others such a title would apply only to sharing some new, authentic and widespread useful information. That is a very serious issue, as for me. Because many forum member, especially those who try to improve quality of posting here not just for themselves, but also for other members as well, usually give explanation, what they mean by quality. For example, 1miau did so, and I think it is the right thing to do, because without this criteria it would be impossible to really understand what someone is thinking about while talking about improving posting quality.

The second thing I would like to pay your attention to is that not all of user`s post will be the same quality. We are all people, and a lot of things affect the way we think and write. But the general posting history could be more or less qualified, I agree with that. And the main task for us as forum members is to make the whole picture of our positing quality, useful and interesting for ourselves and the others. But concentration on every single post wouldn't help a lot, in my opinion, because it would feel like a lot of pressure and could kill the motivation to continue writing.

Hello @ 1miau, Gazetabitcoin and other co sponsors of this campaign. I'm pleased to announce that I have finally finished my translated version of the campaign to my Localboard. After months of research, i came across somany discussions on my local board and found some important thread created by some of our amazing members. I have now been able to conclude my research and finish my translation of this campaign.
Here's is the link to it in my local board :Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481173.msg63478184#msg63478184).

Although, not everyone would understand the significance of this campaign and since posting just few person had viewed or gone through it but still no reply on how important it is for creating quality post. I still recommend and applaud this wonderful effort I've put together with the idea originally created by 1miau. I learnt a lot about my local language and more ways to put it down in written form. I also want to make reference to @ chilwell for giving me the go ahead to carry out this research and translate it to my Localboard( he was the first to ask for a reserve). I hope this campaign does go a long way and plays it's part in creating good quality posts in Localboards.

This line of yours made me think about one issue considering this initiative. Maybe I missed this being discussed somewhere, however, I don't recall this, even though I followed the updates in this topic. Improving posts quality in Local boards requires, in my opinion, some users from those local boards, who are able to check if this improving is really happening, based on the recommendations proposed by 1miau and Gazetabitcoin. Hence this users must be someone whom OPs trust. I assume some of such users are those who made translations, but they cannot do all the job, I think, because it is too much for them. But there has to be some kind of a feedback to understand and analyse how this campaign influence the local forum community.

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We appreciate your effort very much, dear Hatchy.  :)
And I'm sure it'll be a successful campaign because after spending some time reading posts in your local board, your local community members are very nice and always trying to improve posting quality that our local Nigerian board will soon be a place of interesting posts, where readers like to spend time, like to write and read more quality content and new members are attracted because even normal Nigerian internet people might visit Bitcointalk due to Google search results. Helpful content will increase Bitcointalk's relevance from Google search, which is a considerable factor.

Your translation is added now:

Nigeria (Naija) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481173.0) by Hatchy

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Good point. After some time, Hatchy could provide insight about all the achievements of the campaign. There might be members doing a good job, learning a lot from that campaign and these improvements should be honored in my opinion. Of course, any local board member is invited to write a summary, if the goals of the campaign are met, as well.  :)

That's what we are talking about. The thing is @1miau won't have bothered to create this thread if everyone here put effort in their posts, don't you think? Since all fingers aren't equal, there's the tendency to see perfection in some, and others struggling.  Everyone has his/her different yardstick for measuring a quality post and of course everyone wants to fit in that category of being a quality poster but you can agree with me that some don't bother trying.

 It's sad that most users are so eager to make their first post in the forum that they miss out some salient points on how a good post should be made and it's worse in the local boards. At least I've seen a lot to tide me over in my local board.
 

Great job, Hatchy! It's great that you found resources in your language to add to the translation. This translation is not an easy one, as only 2 other users managed to do it until now (excepting 1miau and me).

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1miau, please don't forget to add the translation also to the botton of OP -- there's also a list of translations (unless you plan to delete it :))

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And one more kind request at 1miau, about this part:


I wanted to kindly ask you to not forget to contact Latviand and, maybe roksana.hee as well, since it seems she did not see her name metioned here.

Came back to Bitcointalk LONG after this thread was started and its even worse, threads are full of AI generated replies from sig spammers. This board is now pretty much worthless it seems. Maybe its better in some areas of the forum than in others.
 
With theymos having 1000000s of Bitcoins still from the early days why not stop this insane sig spam thats ruining this forum? At least have some forum areas where no sigs are shown so then normal people will discuss normal stuff not this nonsense AI spam and merrit farming it seems like the fucking Nazis could not have come up with a worse system to brainwash everyone with a little carrot in front of their head at all times. With no free discussion here. Maybe should start going back to irc where it was not just constant SPAM lie its here in almost every single post

Done.  :)

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Looks like I've totally missed that part...
I've just sent a PM to roksana.hee and Latviand and asked them to give us a quick update here about these translations.
Both have been active today, so our chances for a quick reply are good.  :)

Are you sure you still want to be back on the forum, being so convinced that there are nothing except for what you described? Maybe it is worth to spend some more time here and see that there are still good, interesting discussions with knowledgable members? Spammer can be met everywhere, not only here. Someone ignore them, someone make efforts like in this thread to teach them better. But apart from them, there are also other users.

 “plurality should not be posited without necessity.” (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Occams-razor)

Most of the  local boards have dedicated moderators who evaluate   published posts and delete those ones that have  the vicious style and/or dull/irrelevant content.

For instance, Russian board has two high-skilled mods who perfectly    cope with their duties including that ones which are relevant to improving posting quality .

To be honest, the campaign may not apply to every local board. As you mentioned, some local boards, like the German one, have active moderators who manage and clean up posts effectively. However, this isn't the case for all local boards. Take my local board, for example. Since we got the Naija Localboard in 2022, more Nigerians have joined, leading to an increase in both active members and low-quality posts.

Many members have discussed ways to reduce these posts and even reported them to global moderators, but without much success. We had taught of having our own moderator and an off-topic board to tackle the issue, but nothing has been granted. Additionally, quality posts often go unnoticed due to limited merit allocation to the only merit source we have @crytobrainboss.

Despite the challenges, this campaign is relevant to our local board and many others, as a constant reminder. This campaign could help improve post quality on BitcoinTalk, even in boards with sufficient moderators. It may be of interest to such moderators to know that it's members are of good quality posting and probably reducing the amount of work they are to do as a localboard moderator.

It seems you have misunderstood the entire goal of our campaign. Our campaign is dedicated to create awareness for every community member to put effort into their posts. That way, moderators will also have less work to delete shitposts if there are less shitposts in general.
The entire intention of our campaign is to be a community campaign, not a moderator campaign.

Our campaign is intended to be beneficial for the forum because no one wants to read uninteresting, generic shitposts. There will be less traffic on Bitcointalk and less readers because no one wants to read shitposts. Just visit some spam megathreads in our Gambling section, the shitposts are very generic there and it's a waste of time to read.
That's why we should create quality posts and our campaign is creating awareness for this.


Hatchy explained that very well above, too.  :)

I believe that the goal of this campaign and the efforts of moderators can be put together. It will be more beneficial for the main goal, which is keeping the forum an interesting, cognitive place. The job of moderators is not only just deleting bad posts, but also reminding, explaining and warning users about potential deleting. This way users can learn and understand for what their posts were deleted.

Also, when users raise the bar for each other and for themselves, the overall picture becomes much better. This campaign gives forum members some recommendations, sometimes hints how to improve their posts and how by doing this the general atmosphere on the forum will become more conducive.

I also share the idea expressed by 1miau above. We are not moderators and users which translated (and propagated) this campaign are also not moderators. We simply tried to improve, somehow, the overall posting quality in local boards. So it's not about a moderator being good at his job and deleting posts of zero value, but about users themselves, which can improve theor writing quality.

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Thank you, 1miau! Let's hope they will respond and come back with some good news!

Yeah, you are correct.

I not only have misunderstood but also didn't  understand all the way through how campaign which has introduced neither  metric nor benchmark-assessment-tool to evaluate  quality  of posting in  local boards would prevent "uninteresting, generic shitposts".

Please, explain and give results of your campaign that lasts a fair long time with an eye on getting those results.

Perhaps these two posts will bring you some answers: link 1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg61349337#msg61349337), link 2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg61360166#msg61360166). Besides, read among first posts of the forum and look at those supporting the campaign. Furthermore, at the bottom of OP you can also see some more support for this campaign. I know, it's not pure statistics to say so, but it's almost impossible to quantify results by math...

I hope this helps.

Honestly a smart way to incentivize constructive content in the local boards. I've been in my local board (the Philippines) every now and again and I must say, it's either we get shitposts in there or it's as barren as the Gobi Desert cause we can't make good content that doesn't look like it's copy pasted from somewhere else in the forum.

Having a new ward/translator for the Filipino Local Board—and more so someone I can trust for that matter since Latviand's one of the rising content posters in this forum at least for me is a good thing and could definitely cascade content towards the local boards once again. Although I don't expect it to be that much since most campaigns in this forum are still not eager about paying people to talk in their native tongue, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but is certainly another cause as to why people just don't visit the local boards anymore. We're at the cusp of ushering in a new age of content posters here in the forum that's more on the constructive "quality" aspect rather than the spammy "quantity" kind that does all of this for the sole intent of meeting their post quotas in their respective signature campaigns. I'd observe this with great interest and would like to offer my helping hand as well in improving content for my respective local board OP.

Precise statistics will be hard to get because I'm not sure how to measure this.
Some improvements are described very well in the links given by GazetaBitcoin.
After all, it's more of a "soft" improvement, where we can't generate statistics from. It's more like when we are visiting one of the technical boards and then, we go to the Gambling section. Everyone will agree that the average post on Gambling is much lower quality compared to our technical boards.
This example is a very exaggerated one, of course.
Or when we look at the shitcoin ICO era 2017 / 2018 compared to now. Now, it's much better, we have definitely less shitposting.  :)

What GazetaBitcoin linked above is a good start to read a summary.
Probably we'll see more local board members showing up here describing any progress (like from Nigerian local board).

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If you want, you can also PM Latviand and do it together or in case Latviand doesn't have time, you could do it for him.
I wouldn't mind.  :)

I would not mind either. Perhaps Casdinyard can easier get in touch with Latviand and maybe they can collaborate together on this translation. After all, it matters to see more interest in our campaign. At same time, when 2 people work together there are higher chance for a more productive / positive outcome than working alone. So perhaps Casdinyard could bring a good contribution here, by searching also for resources in that language.

Besides that, I assume Latviand did not reply yet to 1miau's PM. Did you have any sign from roksana.hee, at least?

I have not received any reply from Latviand yet but maybe he'll leave a comment here as requested in my PM.

I have received a reply from roksana.hee today via PM and roksana.hee told me she really tried but did not get any sufficient results. In my opinion it's fine because it's a really difficult task and a honest move to do such a review and leave the opportunity for someone else.
So, roksana.hee won't do any translation and I've edited my list in my OP accordingly.  :)

A little update or a big one depends on who's reading, I would be rescinding my reservation for the translation, something came up with my irl work and I can't focus with forum stuff anymore, the career shift coincided with me getting removed from a long term campaign so I'll be giving that translation opportunity to someone that's got the talent and the time, I'm sorry for a long inconvenience, I feel bad backing out on this.  :(

It's okay Latviand, don't feel bad. Real life has much more priority for any of us. Take care of what you need to do and don't feel bad for abandoning this translation. At least it's good we know that we can update the OP accordingly.

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Thank you for the news, 1miau. It's good we have some light about these translations which were reserved a long time ago. Now we also have an update from Latviand. As a consequence, both reservations can be removed from OP.

No need to feel bad. I'm sure you've tried it and it's really a difficult task.
We appreciate your effort very much to have looked into it.

Good luck for your career shift as well, of course.  :)

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I've removed roksana.hee's reservation already yesterday, Latviand's translation reservation is now removed as well.

Learn Bitcoin came with some good news:


It's still work in progress, as far as I understand, since LB asked his community members to come up also with ideas for improving posts quality and he will add later such ideas to his post. However, the translation is made and he pointed some good things there for obtaining more quality inside his local board. I take this opportunity to congratulate him for doing this translation, which is not an easy one. Thank you LB!

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1miau, please be aware that cygan also made a translation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481324.0) of this topic and I take this opportunity to thank him as well! It is great to see more users involving in the common effort of improving posts quality!

1miau, are you so kind, please, to update OP with these 2 translations?

Nice to see we have 2 more translations available.  :)
Shootout to @Learn Bitcoin and @cygan for your contributions!

OP is updated and all recently published translations are added.

And when we are at it, I've added a short explanation of "What's Denglish?" because sometimes, it's resulting in confusion:

"Unnecessary Denglish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denglisch)" is an unnecessary and excessive mixing of English + our native language or even laziness where the whole word is not translated in our native language, even if there's a common translation available.
So, to avoid "unnecessary Denglish", we should always evaluate if there's a common and (relatively widely accepted) native word available in our language.
When there's no common word available in our language (like "Blockchain" (probably, it's different for each language)), then it's not "unnecessary Denglish" (due to a lack of common word for that in our native language).
If there's a common native word available in our native language, this native word should be applied instead of "Denglish", if not applied it's "unnecessary Denglish".

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And important point, maybe @Learn Bitcoin can still add the commonly recognized rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.msg60961331#msg60961331) as cygan did below his topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481324.msg63485335#msg63485335).
Would be enough to edit the post and add it below a horizontal rule.  :)

Thank you very much, dear GazetaBitcoin.
Yes, I have asked my community to share how we could improve our post quality. If they have any different ideas, I will add them to the OP. Each local board may have unique problems, and we had some unique problems too. Our locals used to mention users unnecessarily which is too bad. They are experts in copy-pasting as well. I have added those points as well.

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Thank you 1miau. Yeah, I have edited my post and added the commonly recognized rules. Thanks again.

This is a good statement. Every local board have their unique problems, sometimes these problems are related to the other and all points to low quality discussion. Since each local board has their unique problems, I believe there are also unique solutions to the locals problems. 1maiu is one of the user I have seen in our local board who came to encourage quality posters in the local board i.e Nigerian local board. I sincerely appreciate his commitment to ensuring quality discussion in BTT even by extending to my local board.

Yes. Our thread has some problems too which I mentioned in a couple of threads before. Whenever people see a member from Bangladesh, they think either it's an alt account or a bounty cheater. There are several reasons behind it. Some members were caught cheating in the campaign. Almost 40% of bounty hunters are from Bangladesh and when they discover things like AI, they start to use it without understanding anything. Bangladeshi people who do bounty aren't well in English. Otherwise, they would start contributing to the global boards as well.

The main problem was copy-pasting the news and merit abuse in our thread. A lot of members leave the local thread once they rank up. I am glad that I was the person who alone threatened 12 members in a single post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631891.msg63174606#msg63174606) and then suddenly the abuse stopped in our thread. Some of them already left our thread because they have achieved what they wanted. They just used our local community and fooled us.

The abuse is still going on in some mega threads. They send merits to their alts in mega threads where no one notices. I wish someone like Lauda came up and left red tag everywhere. Only then those fu*ckers would stop.

Please, 1miau, add the Spanish translation I've just posted in my local board to the list of available translations in your OP: Campaña para la mejora de los posts en las secciones locales (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483125.msg63566148#msg63566148).

I have taken my time to translate it, but I wanted to do it when I had enough time and motivation to do it as well as it deserves.

Great job Porf! I am more than glad to see another translation to our campaign, thus it becomes more and more popular around the forum. Spanish is the seventh language in which this campaign is made popular and, slowly, maybe it will advance to other local boards as well.

Of course, determination for making quality posts is necessary from all users but, at least, some of them have this topic translated and adapted in their language, thus it will be easier to follow some guidelines.

Hello, dear Porfirii  :)

Of course, I've edited my OP and your translation is included now.
But maybe you can also add the commonly recognized rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.msg60961331#msg60961331) as it's in GazetaBitcoin's topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413999.msg60961313#msg60961313) and in my original topic as well (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413997.msg60961331#msg60961331)

It's not available in English currently, maybe it's time that I'll include it in my OP as well.
Edit, it's now included as well in my OP, below my main text in my OP, above of "translations".

As usual: no hurry of course. It's always a good idea to take some time for a translation, do it properly and it's no problem at all if it's taking a little bit longer.  :)

Done!


The rush is not good :D although I usually translate very fast.

It's just that, in cases like this one in which the task is not limited to translating only, but requires some more creativity instead, I like to take my time to slowly ripen ideas.

I don't understand which opportunity the try to find in Local Board in this case. If they leave it once they ranked up, why write and spam there in the first place? I got to, that it is easier and more comfortable to become a part of the community through the language which is your native and with people who have common roots with you. But it is not impossible to fill in even without local support at all. For example, I found out the existence of local Ukrainian and Russian communities after quite long time, when I was already familiar with main rules and customs of the forum.

Because locals always tolerate tiny mistakes. Let's say a new user registered today and copy-pasted some random article in our local thread, in the past days, we were used to asking him to edit it and add the source or delete it. Do you see the tolerance here? Global members would go ahead and report their posts and they would get banned without having a single chance.

We have tolerated many more things in our local thread and that is the reason they were able to abuse every single feature of this forum. Someone has to stand up against them, and I thought it was the perfect time to step up. Luckily it worked and they stopped doing what they were doing for a while.

Maybe it is the case with your local board. I would not say that is a common thing for every local. For example, in russian local, where I constantly write, the situation is different. Sure, the members there show support and give reasonable advice, but you also come across lots of sarcasm and irony, even intolerance sometimes. I am sure most of local members would not hesitate to report some newbie who is violating forum rules.

Spammers/abusers will always try to spam/abuse, that's in their nature. But we don't report them straightway. We tend to give them fair warnings/advice's/2nd chances, but when things gets out of hand we take hard actions against them. That how it is with our local board. That's what LB did for our local board. And surprisingly they stopped.

My personal perspective is that nobody is born a quality forum user/writer. When I first joined this forum, I made many mistakes, but these guys (LB and so on), helped me, guided me. So I want to do the same as they did. :)

I totally support people helping newbies and not only newbies to become more qualified and educated. But you said it yourself, that spammer will spam, because it is in their nature. I am convinced that a newcomer may not know about the forum rules and customs, but he is definitely aware that plagiarism is not appreciated, because it is not some specific rule precisely for this forum, it is a common thing in real life as well. That is why when I see a newbie, whose first, second post are completely plagiarised, I don't have any desire to explain, why this is wrong and cannot be done here. Because it is general knowledge. And if someone does this, then he does it on purpose, with complete awareness of his action. Why spend time to try to correct such a behaviour when a person doesn't want to do it himself?

I am not only talking about the violations that are in the forum rules. Some other things are not listed on the forum rules but these are frowned upon. There is a thing called ethics and we all should be ethical. Let's talk about how our locals react when they see someone violating forum rules. Let's say a newbie just registered and wrote something that violates the forum rules. Usually, we don't report that post. We try to correct them instead because I believe not everyone reads the forum rules before they register here. But if they continue doing it by ignoring our messages, we report them.

Some other things are not listed on the forum rules such as merit abuse. Cheating with multiple alts and many more. Sometimes it's obvious that a account is alt account and who control that. But we cannot report without any kind of evidence. But, when something is going on for a long time and a big number of users joins that, we should do something even if we do not have any proof. I did what I wanted and luckily it worked.

Exactly that, it's very helpful to give a bit guidance.
A good example here are pyramid quotes. When an established member is doing these (unfortunately many established members still don't care much about pyramid quotes, quoting properly, shitposting or even spelling, to avoid Denglish and more very simple things), a new member might come over these post and assume, that these bad habits are NOT frowned upon.
Seeing such bad habits will cause more damage because new members might repeat them and such bad habits will spread even more.
So, it's of high priority to create awareness.

That's what we have been doing, and some of our locals helping us do it. But as you know, there are always some people who promise to stay with us but they leave our local thread once they rank up to their desired rank. I am the person to blame for that. I have been vocal against some of their abuse and since then, most of them stopped coming to our local threads and do not write there anymore.

I have been translating useful threads for a year now and some of our locals also help guide newbies including DS, LM, Crypto Library, and a couple of more users. I have also written many original contents but since we are just in a local thread, most of the posts were buried. Sometimes I feel awkward to talk high-ranked members because they were supposed to know better than us.

Newbies in the examples you have described definitely deserves to be guided. But I was talking about deliberate plagiarism or using AI to "write" posts. When someone does this, it means that he is aware of what he is doing. Does he need any guidance or advice? Will it be a discovery for him if other forum members warn him that this is unacceptable? I doubt all of that. That is why I see more use in just reporting such users to moderator. But of course I am not talking here about some users making mistakes, but who are ready to learn and are thankful to the guides which over users provide to them.

In that case, we also report their posts. But, you still didn't get the other fact I have mentioned which is the unwritten rules of the forum. Take merit abuse for example. The forum allows multiple accounts. What if you see someone created a topic and replied with another account and sent some merits from one account to another? Isn't it unethical?

Sometimes we know this is abuse. But, do you think we could report it without any evidence? We can only report once it gets bigger and obvious to everyone that the account is someone managed by the same person. Talking yourself, sending merits, trust inclusions and many other unethical things that are not listed on the forum rules still frowned upon.

Hello. First of all I liked the campaign you have started to improve posting quality. I would also like to apply with a translation in Turkish which I have already posted on my local board as well.  :)

I tried my best to customize my translation for our local board. I mentioned the issues I identified on the board and added some important topics to read as well.

I'm leaving the translation here for your review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483884.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483884.0)

Thank you for your efforts, Pulsar77! It's really amazing to see that our campaign reached 9 local boards already! And the list is growing, as a Portuguese translation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5442314.msg63598549#msg63598549) is also in progress, which will lead to have 10 local boards involved in this project!

Now we can only wait and see there results... Thank you again for involving, Pulsar77!

I disagree with this, at least with what I have seen and been told, but if truly one is banned immediately with a few errors that could be guided and corrected without a warning, then that is cruel. I can't however side with anyone outrightly as I've seen a whole lot of users with powers getting intoxicated, nonetheless, if such issues are raised, I think that such an account could be reopened.

But it is not a wise idea to break the forum rules, after all, the rules are there and everybody is supposed to read them. This is even the norm everywhere and no one has an excuse in this regard. Even at that, reading the rules and breaking them is not acceptable, not in the main and local boards. This is even as some local boards are not as tolerant as you feel if there are standing issues among users. But still, since it is local, more guidance and tolerance are being observed better than in the general sections.

Many users have been here even after doing repeated violations like plagiarism multiple times. The community sees them negatively while many members were banned right after one report. You will find a lot of cases where some people had the benefit of the doubt while others didn't get a single chance. I don't want to mention any names but if you search for such things, you will find them for sure. Yeah, I have seen that Admin Cyrus opened a 2nd chance thread for the users who was banned from this forum. But, I believe most of the banned users already build their 2nd account in the mean time.

Hello, dear Pulsar77  :)

Many thanks for your translation.
It's really nice to have one more local board, where our content is available and we are able to create awareness for more forum members.
We will check your tranlslation and I'm very positive it will get approved soon because you also received some positive replies already.  :)

Thank you both for your replies @GazetaBitcoin and @1miau.  :)

It is my pleasure to make some contribution to this nice campaign you have started. I hope my translation can be found useful which would make me really happy.  :)

After checking, your submitted translation got approved as quality translation and I've added it to my list.
So, we are having a translation to our Turkish local board as well, which is really nice.

Many thanks for your contribution once again.  :)