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August 16, 2022, 01:11:16 PM
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Hello,

I need a loan of 0.01 btc please, I can put my NFTs as collateral : https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion
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August 16, 2022, 11:08:26 PM
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Hello,

I need a loan of 0.01 btc please, I can put my NFTs as collateral : https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion
I don't think an NFT can be considered collateral. You and I both know how hard it is to get someone to buy it. Imagine if you defaulted the loan. How is the lender going to liquidate the NFT quickly in order to recover the money.

Here are the collateral guidelines;

What is considered collateral?

Collateral is something that can easily be resold to cover the loan value plus interest should the loaner default on the loan.

- The best collateral is another crypto-currency, such as Ethereum (also written as ETH).  Coins must be moderately traded on multiple exchanges.
- Some digital wares such as domain names can be considered as long as the user cannot recover it.
- Small valuable items that can be shipped though the mail - i.e. gold, silver, iphones, etc.
- Large items, such as a motorcycle or guitar can be used if you live close to the person giving you the loan.  Try localbitcoins.com

What is not considered collateral?

- Merit.  Bitcointalk Merit is not a commodity and is not meant to be traded.  Asking or doing so may get you negative trust (Trade with Extreme Caution!)
- Items they want to sell.  They don't want it back, so they will default.  It's scammy unethical behavior and will lead to negative trust.  Check their recent posts!
- Items not in hand.  Don't trust a user that promises to give you something *when* they default!  Tracking numbers only show something has been mailed - it could be an empty box.
- Future income.  You can prove you'll make xx coins in the next few days, but nothing forces you to send those coins to pay your debt.
- Identification.  So what if they can prove who they are.  Are you going to spend more money and time taking them to court on untested legal grounds?  You'll probably just walk away, like everyone does.  ID is useless.
- Games codes or similar.  To verify the collateral you need to use the code, which destroys the collateral.  Consider this a purchase, not a loan.  (Post in Digital Goods instead)
- Most new alt-coins or alt-coins that trade for satoshis are not good collateral as they can become worthless overnight.
- Most pre-coins/tokens are worthless, or may take significant time to be worth anything.  
- Paypal should never be used - they are anti-bitcoin and will rule against you 100% of the time.  Escrow can't even help, as paypal charge backs can come over six months later!
- Most valuable online accounts can easily be recovered by social engineering (the user contacting support to say they were hacked, and regain control of the account)  Examples:  Steam
 
When should you use Escrow?

 - Never send collateral directly to a low activity/post account offering you a loan, as they are likely to take your coins and disappear. (Collateral Scam)
 - Use only "Legendary Members" for escrow - they have a vested interest in the community with the time they have spent here.
 - Do not use a third party escrow service unless hero members can vouch for it - it's too easy to create a website, do a few escrows then disappear with a big balance.  Rinse and repeat.
- A list of trusted escrows can be found here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0
 
When considering the trustworthiness of a user, ignore "Posts" as there are schemes that pay a user per post.  A person can make 1,000 useless posts in one day and contribute nothing to the community.  Instead look at the "Activity" number - that gives you a more accurate tally of how involved the user is in the community.  The new "Merit" system highlights thoughtful or useful posts, but gives no indication of trustworthiness.

Ignore the sob stories that users post - it's just a scam to get your coins.  If a person really is in such a situation, they can turn to family, friends or other social circles they frequent.  They are just posting in our community because the payment is anonymous and irreversible.

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August 19, 2022, 10:15:52 PM
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I don't think an NFT can be considered collateral.
They can be . it's just that most of them are worthless.

Hello,

I need a loan of 0.01 btc please, I can put my NFTs as collateral : https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion
Your listed NFTs are basically worthless since they have no bids. Do you have any other "valid" collateral ?

Btw you haven't specified the duration and interest on your loan.
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August 20, 2022, 11:21:12 AM
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I don't think an NFT can be considered collateral.
They can be . it's just that most of them are worthless.

Hello,

I need a loan of 0.01 btc please, I can put my NFTs as collateral : https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion
Your listed NFTs are basically worthless since they have no bids. Do you have any other "valid" collateral ?

Btw you haven't specified the duration and interest on your loan.

Thanks for your feedback, I don't :/
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August 20, 2022, 11:22:33 AM
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Hello,

I need a loan of 0.01 btc please, I can put my NFTs as collateral : https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion
I don't think an NFT can be considered collateral. You and I both know how hard it is to get someone to buy it. Imagine if you defaulted the loan. How is the lender going to liquidate the NFT quickly in order to recover the money.

Here are the collateral guidelines;

What is considered collateral?

Collateral is something that can easily be resold to cover the loan value plus interest should the loaner default on the loan.

- The best collateral is another crypto-currency, such as Ethereum (also written as ETH).  Coins must be moderately traded on multiple exchanges.
- Some digital wares such as domain names can be considered as long as the user cannot recover it.
- Small valuable items that can be shipped though the mail - i.e. gold, silver, iphones, etc.
- Large items, such as a motorcycle or guitar can be used if you live close to the person giving you the loan.  Try localbitcoins.com

What is not considered collateral?

- Merit.  Bitcointalk Merit is not a commodity and is not meant to be traded.  Asking or doing so may get you negative trust (Trade with Extreme Caution!)
- Items they want to sell.  They don't want it back, so they will default.  It's scammy unethical behavior and will lead to negative trust.  Check their recent posts!
- Items not in hand.  Don't trust a user that promises to give you something *when* they default!  Tracking numbers only show something has been mailed - it could be an empty box.
- Future income.  You can prove you'll make xx coins in the next few days, but nothing forces you to send those coins to pay your debt.
- Identification.  So what if they can prove who they are.  Are you going to spend more money and time taking them to court on untested legal grounds?  You'll probably just walk away, like everyone does.  ID is useless.
- Games codes or similar.  To verify the collateral you need to use the code, which destroys the collateral.  Consider this a purchase, not a loan.  (Post in Digital Goods instead)
- Most new alt-coins or alt-coins that trade for satoshis are not good collateral as they can become worthless overnight.
- Most pre-coins/tokens are worthless, or may take significant time to be worth anything. 
- Paypal should never be used - they are anti-bitcoin and will rule against you 100% of the time.  Escrow can't even help, as paypal charge backs can come over six months later!
- Most valuable online accounts can easily be recovered by social engineering (the user contacting support to say they were hacked, and regain control of the account)  Examples:  Steam
 
When should you use Escrow?

 - Never send collateral directly to a low activity/post account offering you a loan, as they are likely to take your coins and disappear. (Collateral Scam)
 - Use only "Legendary Members" for escrow - they have a vested interest in the community with the time they have spent here.
 - Do not use a third party escrow service unless hero members can vouch for it - it's too easy to create a website, do a few escrows then disappear with a big balance.  Rinse and repeat.
- A list of trusted escrows can be found here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0
 
When considering the trustworthiness of a user, ignore "Posts" as there are schemes that pay a user per post.  A person can make 1,000 useless posts in one day and contribute nothing to the community.  Instead look at the "Activity" number - that gives you a more accurate tally of how involved the user is in the community.  The new "Merit" system highlights thoughtful or useful posts, but gives no indication of trustworthiness.

Ignore the sob stories that users post - it's just a scam to get your coins.  If a person really is in such a situation, they can turn to family, friends or other social circles they frequent.  They are just posting in our community because the payment is anonymous and irreversible.

Oh I see, Thank you very much for the information.
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August 20, 2022, 09:59:12 PM
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Hello,

I need a loan of 0.01 btc please, I can put my NFTs as collateral : https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion
NFTs as collateral,  I highly doubt any one will fill your offer,  I personally wouldn't if I was in a position to,  this is because NFTs are literally worthless,  coupled with the fact they are not as liquid as normal crypto coins and tokens,  and besides,  is there any NFT currently in the market that is truly worth 0. 01 btc except the popular Bored Ape?, which I even read in the news recently that it has lost over 50 percent of it value in recent times.

My advice is, use any crypto that is listed in top 50s on coinmarketcap,  listed on binance or any or several other big exchanges,  coin or token worth in usdt must be more than what 0.01 btc will worth in usdt at the time of filling the load.

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August 21, 2022, 12:21:59 PM
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Hello,

I need a loan of 0.01 btc please, I can put my NFTs as collateral : https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion
NFTs as collateral,  I highly doubt any one will fill your offer,  I personally wouldn't if I was in a position to,  this is because NFTs are literally worthless,  coupled with the fact they are not as liquid as normal crypto coins and tokens,  and besides,  is there any NFT currently in the market that is truly worth 0. 01 btc except the popular Bored Ape?, which I even read in the news recently that it has lost over 50 percent of it value in recent times.

I must agree with you about the NFTs market, but not bidding on the potential value of any NFT here is something completely different. OP created those NFTs 6 days ago, and then just a day later he requested this loan offering it as collateral.
I would say that he has no intention of returning the loan, but would actually just sell his NFTs through the loan.

I really wonder how he determined the value of 12 ETH for this NFT?

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August 21, 2022, 03:57:23 PM
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OP created those NFTs 6 days ago, and then just a day later he requested this loan offering it as collateral.
I would say that he has no intention of returning the loan, but would actually just sell his NFTs through the loan.  

Yeah, I noticed the same thing.  Pretty cheesy scam attempt for a measly $200.

I really wonder how he determined the value of 12 ETH for this NFT?

What makes any of those NFTs worth anything?  A bunch of candle charts are worth hundreds or thousands of dollars?  Really?  I have a hard time with the whole NFT thing in the first place, digital beanie babies is all I see, but these are exceptionally stupid.


The OP is also advertising these NFTs for sale:

New NFTs, real value!  Grin Check it out !  Smiley https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion

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August 21, 2022, 04:04:12 PM
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Even if the NFT collateral is a popular NFT collection, there’s no way a lender will risk giving loan in exchange for an asset that has no instant liquid value in the market. NFT valuation in general is pretty vague because most of them are fake and manipulated. A shitty Altcoins that listed on exchange can be barely considered as collateral rather than NFT that has no real market value unless the lender itself personally like it.

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August 29, 2022, 06:16:09 PM
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OP created those NFTs 6 days ago, and then just a day later he requested this loan offering it as collateral.
I would say that he has no intention of returning the loan, but would actually just sell his NFTs through the loan.  

Yeah, I noticed the same thing.  Pretty cheesy scam attempt for a measly $200.

I really wonder how he determined the value of 12 ETH for this NFT?

What makes any of those NFTs worth anything?  A bunch of candle charts are worth hundreds or thousands of dollars?  Really?  I have a hard time with the whole NFT thing in the first place, digital beanie babies is all I see, but these are exceptionally stupid.


The OP is also advertising these NFTs for sale:

New NFTs, real value!  Grin Check it out !  Smiley https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion

It does make you think that this isn’t a loan request, but an offer to sell an NFT collection with 0 volume for a couple hundred dollars. The sad fact is that you can make an NFT collection like this in 20 minutes with less than a dollar of costs. At $200 per collection this would be a pretty profitable operation if you could find people willing to accept the collateral.

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August 29, 2022, 06:49:39 PM
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Hello,

I need a loan of 0.01 btc please, I can put my NFTs as collateral : https://opensea.io/collection/the-last-bastion
NFTs as collateral,  I highly doubt any one will fill your offer,  I personally wouldn't if I was in a position to,  this is because NFTs are literally worthless,  coupled with the fact they are not as liquid as normal crypto coins and tokens,  and besides,  is there any NFT currently in the market that is truly worth 0. 01 btc except the popular Bored Ape?, which I even read in the news recently that it has lost over 50 percent of it value in recent times.

My advice is, use any crypto that is listed in top 50s on coinmarketcap,  listed on binance or any or several other big exchanges,  coin or token worth in usdt must be more than what 0.01 btc will worth in usdt at the time of filling the load.


Ok thank you for the advice Smiley
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