Dugin's daughter killed. Did she really say this?

[Poker Player]

Dugin's daughter: 'Ukrainians are not humans. They all deserve to die.'

https://twitter.com/WarAgainstPutin/status/1561131023168987136

As some of you may know, there has been an attack in Moscow that seems to have been aimed at the philosopher Aleksandr Duguin, whom some describe as Putin's ideologue.

Since I don't know Russian, I can't verify what the tweet says, but curious if she actually said that, that she is a supporter of "denazifying" when few statements can be made that are more Nazi than that. Mass murder has always started from a dehumanization of the other, be it Hitler versus the Jews, the Hutus versus the Tutsis or other cases. If you see the other as a cockroach, you can crush it without worrying about its feelings and even feeling disgusted when you kill it.

Apart from the affirmation, what do you think? Did they kill her from the inside? Was it the USA? Will there be repercussions?

[Kavelj22]

Do you really think that the assassination was a result of her statements about the Ukrainians? Maybe that's what the killer wants us to think.

When someone incites violence, it does not give the green light to kill them. This young lady was supposed to be sued for her racist remarks on the media. And since this could not have happened, this is certainly the official position of the state.

Of course, there is a front against the Russian invasion of Ukraine inside Russia, and it is not surprising that it is supportive of Ukraine or that it is run by hidden powers. And here the United States can be easily inserted through its proxies in almost every country. But I think the United States has no direct benefit for this to happen because such statements made by the dead woman are in its interest to distort Russia's image and inflame public opinion against it.

[af_newbie]

Do you really think that the assassination was a result of her statements about the Ukrainians? Maybe that's what the killer wants us to think.

When someone incites violence, it does not give the green light to kill them. This young lady was supposed to be sued for her racist remarks on the media. And since this could not have happened, this is certainly the official position of the state.

Of course, there is a front against the Russian invasion of Ukraine inside Russia, and it is not surprising that it is supportive of Ukraine or that it is run by hidden powers. And here the United States can be easily inserted through its proxies in almost every country. But I think the United States has no direct benefit for this to happen because such statements made by the dead woman are in its interest to distort Russia's image and inflame public opinion against it.

It could also be Putin himself, you know, to transform the 'special operation' into 'war', nukes, full mobilization, etc.

He did a similar provocation to justify the Chechen war.

[Poker Player]

Do you really think that the assassination was a result of her statements about the Ukrainians? Maybe that's what the killer wants us to think.

Where do you get that from? Not from what I said.

I am asking if anyone knows Russian and can confirm she said this.

[Kavelj22]

Do you really think that the assassination was a result of her statements about the Ukrainians? Maybe that's what the killer wants us to think.

Where do you get that from? Not from what I said.

I am asking if anyone knows Russian and can confirm she said this.

thank's for the correction. I think I missed the most important question in your thread.
We need members of Russia to verify these statements. Anyway, I searched the internet using these keywords: "Dugin's daughter:Ukrainians are not humans" and didn't find any result. I don't think the media will miss an important point like this to analyze the circumstances of her death.

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It could also be Putin himself, you know, to transform the 'special operation' into 'war', nukes, full mobilization, etc.

He did a similar provocation to justify the Chechen war.

I do not think that Putin is still looking for an excuse to complete the invasion or to reinforce it for such reasons. Unless he ordered her assassination for other reasons not related to the Ukrainian war.

[TheNineClub]

I can't really imagine why would the US think of such a dumb plan with no real end goal. Even if the real target was the father, what would that acomplish. So no, it definatelly was not the US, I am sure they can pick better targets.

As for what she said or didn't say, she was just a dimwit pushing hard on her fathers idiotic concepts, so even if she didn't say this, she said other stupid shit. Does she deserve to die for that? No. But hey, I couldn't care less either way.

[Gyfts]

The twitter link is inaccessible. Sounds like fake news used to justify murder.

[Die_empty]

Apart from the affirmation, what do you think? Did they kill her from the inside? Was it the USA? Will there be repercussions?

Already Denis Pushilin, the "head" of the self-declared pro-Russian "Donetsk People's Republic", has already laid the blame on Ukraine. The truth is that it is difficult to separate the relationship between Russia and Ukraine. A report stated that 17.3% of the population of Ukraine are of Russian descent and about 11 million Russians people have relatives in Ukraine. It would be very difficult to ascertain where the killings was planned and carried out. Maybe some Russians have become tired of the war and wants to instill fear on the ruling class to make them stop the war. The result of this war might be guerrilla warfare in Russian soil. Kremlin have promised to carryout proper investigation and that culprit would be dealt with. Russia never forgives, there would be reprisal attacks. If it is the US, Ukraine would pay the price and if Ukraine is the culprit, they would also bear the consequences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62621509.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/20/russia-ukraine-relatives-conversations-propaganda/   

[af_newbie]

Apart from the affirmation, what do you think? Did they kill her from the inside? Was it the USA? Will there be repercussions?

Already Denis Pushilin, the "head" of the self-declared pro-Russian "Donetsk People's Republic", has already laid the blame on Ukraine. The truth is that it is difficult to separate the relationship between Russia and Ukraine. A report stated that 17.3% of the population of Ukraine are of Russian descent and about 11 million Russians people have relatives in Ukraine. It would be very difficult to ascertain where the killings was planned and carried out. Maybe some Russians have become tired of the war and wants to instill fear on the ruling class to make them stop the war. The result of this war might be guerrilla warfare in Russian soil. Kremlin have promised to carryout proper investigation and that culprit would be dealt with. Russia never forgives, there would be reprisal attacks. If it is the US, Ukraine would pay the price and if Ukraine is the culprit, they would also bear the consequences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62621509.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/20/russia-ukraine-relatives-conversations-propaganda/   

Russian NRA claimed the responsibility.

[suchmoon]

Here's a video that I found, not sure if that's where that info originated, but what she says is roughly this: "we (Russia) need to establish tribunals in [occupied territories] to deal with those non-humans", referring apparently to Ukrainians/nazis/whathaveyou and she kinda implies that the outcome of such tribunals is predefined but doesn't directly say "kill them".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEDttOuGD1U

It has to be said though that Russian media and propagandists rarely state directly that Ukrainians must be killed but the implication is very strong and consists typically of two parts: Ukrainians who resist Russian forces are nazis, and nazis must die.

[Poker Player]

The twitter link is inaccessible. Sounds like fake news used to justify murder.

Or an exaggeration, based on what suchmoon says. Surely justifying the killing of Ukrainians had been done in a more indirect way. Both she and her father.

Russian NRA claimed the responsibility.

Yes, according to latest info:

Darya Dugina was killed by partisans from National Republican Army – former Russian parliamentarian

"Ilya Ponomarev, a former member of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (the Russian parliament), said that the so-called National Republican Army (NRA) has claimed responsibility for the murder of Darya Dugina, the daughter of "Putin’s ideologue" Aleksandr Dugin."

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"Quote from the NRA "manifesto": "We are Russian activists, military personnel and politicians, currently also partisans and fighters of the National Republican Army, and we are outlawing the warmongers, thieves and oppressors of the peoples of Russia!

We declare President Putin to be a usurper of power and a war criminal who has violated the Constitution, unleashed a fratricidal war between Slavic peoples, and sent Russian soldiers to a certain and senseless death.

[…] We will overthrow and destroy Putin! […] We declare all Russian government officials and regional administration officials to be accomplices to the usurper. We will kill every one of them who fails to resign."

[math09183]

No one did so many good things to the West World, especially to EU and USA as Putin! He unified EU countries (except his puppet Viktor Orbán/Hungary), he stopped all that covid-mess news - now everyone stays against Russia, finally. Let's just wait for introducing visas, I hope it will come very soon.

And now - attack from inside. It shows they must start watching their back, because now there is internal force which is able to show it's power.

If we add the fact that now Ukraine is able to do long distance attacks/bombings on Russian infrastructure close to border... changes are coming. Maybe it is the last decade of Union and all the small republics will become independent, finally.

[Majestic-milf]

It seems the Russians are blaming Ukraine for Dubryia Dugina's death now. Probably they think this is a retaliation for the seizure of gas plant in Ukraine by the Russians.
 
 It has been alleged that the suspect is a woman who was contracted to kill the 29 yr old journalist by renting an apartment close to her and had her monitored before her death.
In my opinion, this is quite unfortunate as it may spark more reactions from Putin as the deceased seems to be the daughter of one of his valued think tanks.
 

[Gyfts]

The twitter link is inaccessible. Sounds like fake news used to justify murder.

Or an exaggeration, based on what suchmoon says. Surely justifying the killing of Ukrainians had been done in a more indirect way. Both she and her father.

And that doesn't mean she deserves to die. I'm taken back by how casually the loss of life is accepted because Russia might be the initial aggressors. The only ones worthy of death are the initial aggressors of the deadly force encounter. Mere words without intent should not be the basis for murder. I'm not sure how much the Putin thought leader bares responsibility unless they are directly involved in war efforts. The daughter bares zero responsibility. Guilt by association should not be the standard for the death penalty, even if she's a fascist.

[Poker Player]

Latest news:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-accuses-ukrainian-secret-services-of-preparing-and-committing-murder-of-dugins-daughter/ar-AA10VWTv

Russia's Federal Security Service has accused Ukraine's secret services of preparing and committing the murder of Alexander Dugin's daughter through a Ukrainian citizen, Natalia Vovk Pavlova, who arrived in Russia last July 23 together with her twelve-year-old daughter, Sofia Shaban Mikhailovna.

[OgNasty]

This is a crazy story and it's hard to know what exactly to believe.  War is not good for anyone.  This conflict has gone on for far too long.  I hope it ends soon for the sake of both sides.  Whatever the resolution is, it has to be better than seeing stories like this in the news.

[suchmoon]

Latest news:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-accuses-ukrainian-secret-services-of-preparing-and-committing-murder-of-dugins-daughter/ar-AA10VWTv

Russia's Federal Security Service has accused Ukraine's secret services of preparing and committing the murder of Alexander Dugin's daughter through a Ukrainian citizen, Natalia Vovk Pavlova, who arrived in Russia last July 23 together with her twelve-year-old daughter, Sofia Shaban Mikhailovna.

Probably the opposite is true then LOL

Russian government and media will push whichever story makes them look less bad and/or make Ukrainians look worse, particularly to their own (Russian) citizens. No relation to the truth is needed here.

So let's say if this was work of Russian resistance, or a non-political crime - maybe Dugina was a drug dealer or something - this might make it look like there is resistance, or there is a serious organized crime issue - bad image for the government. The official story (allowing foreign agents to murder a high-profile person) is not good image either but can be spun into more hate against Ukraine so here it goes.

Note how quickly this case was "resolved" when normally it would take weeks or months or never (like many journalists killed in Russia). Gotta feed the propaganda while it's hot.

Oh yes, they can dress it as a murder of a "journalist", bonus here too.

[johhnyUA]

It has to be said though that Russian media and propagandists rarely state directly that Ukrainians must be killed but the implication is very strong and consists typically of two parts: Ukrainians who resist Russian forces are nazis, and nazis must die.

The main problem that "resist russian forces" is not only armed resist, but even communicating on ukrainian language can be considered as this. So, it can be altered as "ukrainian who speaks ukrainian language are nazis, and nazis must die"

This is a crazy story and it's hard to know what exactly to believe.  War is not good for anyone.  This conflict has gone on for far too long.  I hope it ends soon for the sake of both sides.  Whatever the resolution is, it has to be better than seeing stories like this in the news.

Why so serious? Nazi bitch is dead and we created a lot of funny memes about it.





On important clarification: Moscov propagandist is far worse even than russian soldiers who directly shoot and kill ukrainians. Because he justify those who are already on frontline and motivate new cannon fodder to join.

But maybe what even more funny, is that Dugin doesn't look like very upset about all of this

[pooya87]

World War I began with an assassination...

High tensions ✔
Ongoing war ✔
Ongoing food war ✔
EU drought ✔
Public unrest/protests ✔
High inflation ✔
High energy prices ✔
Polarized world ✔
New World Order ✔
Terrorist attack/assassination ✔
Next?

[johhnyUA]

World War I began with an assassination...

WTF with you, man? In WW1, austro-hungarian empire's HEIR Franz Ferdinand was killed.

You compare one of the most important political figures in old Europe with a some random propagandist whore. Do not cool man.

Polarized world ✔

Where it polarized?