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August 25, 2022, 07:30:32 PM
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Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

Who do you think is responsible for that, no other than Bob Arum the villain of the Boxing world, he doesn't want his ward Beterbiev on any promotion only on ESPN

Boxing politics always deprived the hard core fans of this sport the fight we deserved to see when fighters are still in their prime. Bob Arum always want the big slice of the pie and we all know that Bivol's market value sky-rocketed when he beat Canelo so for sure he will have to receive more if he fight Beterbiev which i don't think old Bob will agree.

Bivol needs to dispose Zurdo in a convincing manner first so as to eliminate the doubt that he is just a one fight wonder and with that he deserve a shot of unifying the light heavy weight title.

We can't of course forget that this is a business after all but yeah, that's somehow unfair not just for the fans but for the boxers as well because they can't try and have that legacy they wanted even while they are still at the peak of their prime because there is some promoters like Bob Arum who just wants to milk every challenger that his fighter faces rather than give that chance to have a legacy.

But I think Bob Arum can still fight in the table and have a demand as he have the power to make it because Artur Beterbiev has 3 belts while Bivol or Zurdo if the latter will win have only 1 belt to share in the table. Bivol's name is just hyped but that doesn't take away the fact that Beterbiev holds the most belts.

Will we see Zurdo vs Beterviev in the future? maybe, if I'm not mistaken, Zurdo used to be managed by Top Rank. And then they separated and then he move to the higher weight class. Not sure if the settlement is amicable or the relationship has been strained. And Beterviev is with Top Rank. So chances are the negotiations might not be that issues assuming Zurdo's history with Top Rank, and somewhat Arum as a boxing manager might find it hard to let Zurdo fight is cash cow in the LHW division.

Yea, I also thought of that because Bob Arum is really afraid to lose his cash cow but maybe soon Beterbiev will also leave Arum's roof just like what Crawford did because Arum can't really give them the legacy they wanted even if Beterbiev only lacks one belt to be an undisputed boxer in LHW. Zurdo might be the biggest challenge for Beterbiev if their fight might materialize soon and of course if Zurdo can take Bivol's belt.

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August 26, 2022, 04:35:19 PM
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I think it will be more entertaining to see if it's Zurdo vs Beterbiev fighting for an undisputed fight. But before that, I'd like to watch how would Bivol defend his belt here.

From my own point of view, either Dmitry Bivol or Zurdo Ramirez will be a good match for Beterbiev for the undisputed champion in the Light Heavyweight division and surely entertaining to watch. Both boxers have good credentials and lurking in this division for a long making them truly ripe to challenge Beterbiev.

But since there's politics as always in the business of boxing, I just wonder what if Bivol is able to defend his belt in this match.

Will Arum now finally open for a Beterbiev-Bivol fight?

It's not making sense not to have that fight between Beterbiev and Bivol push through when the latter is doing a winning streak defending his title.

Fortunately, yes, Bob Arum openly said that he's going to let Beterbiev have its chance to claim all 4 belts and fight whoever wins in the Bivol-Zurdo fight. I'm quite shocked about this news too because we know that Bob Arum doesn't grant this type of fight because he is protecting his boxer at all cost but maybe he realized that at this point Beterbiev needs to have his chance because he is already 37 years old.

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Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says he’ll give unified light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev to fight for the undisputed championship against the winner of the Dmitry Bivol vs. Gilberto ‘Zurdo’ Ramirez fight.
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August 26, 2022, 05:11:48 PM
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Ramirez records shows that he is far stronger than the two boxer.  with 44 wins against 20 by Bivol, Ramirez have way more experience and the % knockout shows that he is also have an advantage against Bivol.  Not saying Ramirez stopped his opponent on his last 5 fights.  Pretty impressive IMO.  While Bivol last 5 fights are ended via decision.  I disagree that this one is cherry-picked.

I see you know how to google. Now use same technique to check those 44 opponents of Ramirez and 20 of Bivol and try to compare their records.

Among those 44 wins, there are fighters that had a debut fights, fighters with negative record, fighters with number of wins a bit higher than number of losses. Bivol also had such opponents, but Ramirez has more or those kind. And dont forget that Bivol has around 300 fights in amateur career (sorry, I havent found info about Ramirez amateur career). Also dont forget that Bivol beat the guy with 57-2 record, that is better than 44-0 Cheesy

My point here is the fight isn't cherry-picked.  Since some say that the fight against Ramirez is somehow cherry-picked.  Besides, we never know if we are right or wrong until the two boxers met in the ring.  And btw, I am talking about the records, not the boxer  Tongue .  Is it that hard to comprehend what I wanted to convey??  Grin

Btw, I think we share the same thought that the opponent isn't cherry picked  Tongue.

Bivol chooses weak boxers? This is a mandatory title defence against Ramirez.

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August 26, 2022, 05:40:03 PM
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I think it will be more entertaining to see if it's Zurdo vs Beterbiev fighting for an undisputed fight. But before that, I'd like to watch how would Bivol defend his belt here.

From my own point of view, either Dmitry Bivol or Zurdo Ramirez will be a good match for Beterbiev for the undisputed champion in the Light Heavyweight division and surely entertaining to watch. Both boxers have good credentials and lurking in this division for a long making them truly ripe to challenge Beterbiev.

But since there's politics as always in the business of boxing, I just wonder what if Bivol is able to defend his belt in this match.

Will Arum now finally open for a Beterbiev-Bivol fight?

It's not making sense not to have that fight between Beterbiev and Bivol push through when the latter is doing a winning streak defending his title.

Fortunately, yes, Bob Arum openly said that he's going to let Beterbiev have its chance to claim all 4 belts and fight whoever wins in the Bivol-Zurdo fight. I'm quite shocked about this news too because we know that Bob Arum doesn't grant this type of fight because he is protecting his boxer at all cost but maybe he realized that at this point Beterbiev needs to have his chance because he is already 37 years old.

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Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says he’ll give unified light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev to fight for the undisputed championship against the winner of the Dmitry Bivol vs. Gilberto ‘Zurdo’ Ramirez fight.
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Yes, he did but I think Bob Arum said something about a certain condition if ever Bivol will successfully defend his title against Zurdo and that is he doesn't want Beterbiev and Bivol fighting on DAZN. I don't why but it seems to me that Bob Arum has other plans for this undisputed fight if ever it will be Bivol but if it's Zurdo then I guess there would be no conflict. Anyway, Beterbiev has another opponent that he needs to face and that is Yarde. So let's see their respective fights first because it seems there are more exciting fights in LHW this year.
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August 26, 2022, 05:55:52 PM
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Any shared information on why Dmitry Bivol failed to secure a fight with Artur Beterbiev for the supposed undisputed match at the Light-Heavyweight Division?

Who do you think is responsible for that, no other than Bob Arum the villain of the Boxing world, he doesn't want his ward Beterbiev on any promotion only on ESPN

Boxing politics always deprived the hard core fans of this sport the fight we deserved to see when fighters are still in their prime. Bob Arum always want the big slice of the pie and we all know that Bivol's market value sky-rocketed when he beat Canelo so for sure he will have to receive more if he fight Beterbiev which i don't think old Bob will agree.

Bivol needs to dispose Zurdo in a convincing manner first so as to eliminate the doubt that he is just a one fight wonder and with that he deserve a shot of unifying the light heavy weight title.

We can't of course forget that this is a business after all but yeah, that's somehow unfair not just for the fans but for the boxers as well because they can't try and have that legacy they wanted even while they are still at the peak of their prime because there is some promoters like Bob Arum who just wants to milk every challenger that his fighter faces rather than give that chance to have a legacy.

But I think Bob Arum can still fight in the table and have a demand as he have the power to make it because Artur Beterbiev has 3 belts while Bivol or Zurdo if the latter will win have only 1 belt to share in the table. Bivol's name is just hyped but that doesn't take away the fact that Beterbiev holds the most belts.

Will we see Zurdo vs Beterviev in the future? maybe, if I'm not mistaken, Zurdo used to be managed by Top Rank. And then they separated and then he move to the higher weight class. Not sure if the settlement is amicable or the relationship has been strained. And Beterviev is with Top Rank. So chances are the negotiations might not be that issues assuming Zurdo's history with Top Rank, and somewhat Arum as a boxing manager might find it hard to let Zurdo fight is cash cow in the LHW division.

Yea, I also thought of that because Bob Arum is really afraid to lose his cash cow but maybe soon Beterbiev will also leave Arum's roof just like what Crawford did because Arum can't really give them the legacy they wanted even if Beterbiev only lacks one belt to be an undisputed boxer in LHW. Zurdo might be the biggest challenge for Beterbiev if their fight might materialize soon and of course if Zurdo can take Bivol's belt.

It's about money and if Arum will see a decent amount of possible profits, we know him ever since, as long as he can bring a huge amount of profits he will make ways to negotiate as of now we are waiting for this upcoming fight and we never know if Bivol will continue to protect his belt or Ramirez will take it from him.

The fate of the next fight always depends on how the previous end up. If Bivol will win, then we will hear a negotiation about his next fight.

while if Ramirez win same thing with Bivol, money fight will engage and the best offer will be the one that will sign up for a contract.

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August 26, 2022, 11:59:07 PM
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I think it will be more entertaining to see if it's Zurdo vs Beterbiev fighting for an undisputed fight. But before that, I'd like to watch how would Bivol defend his belt here.

From my own point of view, either Dmitry Bivol or Zurdo Ramirez will be a good match for Beterbiev for the undisputed champion in the Light Heavyweight division and surely entertaining to watch. Both boxers have good credentials and lurking in this division for a long making them truly ripe to challenge Beterbiev.

But since there's politics as always in the business of boxing, I just wonder what if Bivol is able to defend his belt in this match.

Will Arum now finally open for a Beterbiev-Bivol fight?

It's not making sense not to have that fight between Beterbiev and Bivol push through when the latter is doing a winning streak defending his title.

Fortunately, yes, Bob Arum openly said that he's going to let Beterbiev have its chance to claim all 4 belts and fight whoever wins in the Bivol-Zurdo fight. I'm quite shocked about this news too because we know that Bob Arum doesn't grant this type of fight because he is protecting his boxer at all cost but maybe he realized that at this point Beterbiev needs to have his chance because he is already 37 years old.

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Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says he’ll give unified light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev to fight for the undisputed championship against the winner of the Dmitry Bivol vs. Gilberto ‘Zurdo’ Ramirez fight.
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I see. Good to see that statement from the Top Rank Chief regardless of whether it's a doubtful statement or not.

Now the pre-requisites are, Bivol should defeat Ramirez, and either if there's a conflict or not with regards to promotion, it will be materialized no matter what. While on the other hand, Artur Beterbiev should successfully defend his mandatory fight against Anthony Yarde which was supposed to happen in October but got postponed by early next year.

Of course, if Ramirez won instead against Bivol, there will be a change of event.

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August 29, 2022, 02:14:12 PM
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I still cannot find the betting odds in this fight. But I'm expecting Ramirez as the underdog at around 2.5 to 3.0. I will be surprised if Ramirez's odds reach as high as 3.5 or even more at 4.0.

Bivol is clearly the favorite here as a technical fighter and he just beat the pound-for-pound king. The excellent news for Bivol is that this fight is happening in UAE so maybe we can avoid biased judges and referees here. Because if this fight happens in the US then it will be nearly the same as the Canelo fight when it comes to judging knowing Ramirez as a cash cow of Golden Boy Promotions and he is also undefeated and popular.

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I still cannot find the betting odds in this fight. But I'm expecting Ramirez as the underdog at around 2.5 to 3.0. I will be surprised if Ramirez's odds reach as high as 3.5 or even more at 4.0.

Yes, I just checked just now and the odds are not still there.

Bivol is clearly the favorite here as a technical fighter and he just beat the pound-for-pound king. The excellent news for Bivol is that this fight is happening in UAE so maybe we can avoid biased judges and referees here. Because if this fight happens in the US then it will be nearly the same as the Canelo fight when it comes to judging knowing Ramirez as a cash cow of Golden Boy Promotions and he is also undefeated and popular.

And it's good that the judges are not going to be biased in this fight. As we can see in the Canelo vs Bivol fight, the judges wanted to make the score very close and if Canelo won in the last rounds then maybe Bivol will be robbed, hehehe. So I'm expecting the judges in a foreign country will be different and even if American judges are going to be pick, they will have to be fair here otherwise, other countries in the M.E. will not host a fight if they think this judges are influence by big promotions like Golden Boy or Top Rank.

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I still cannot find the betting odds in this fight. But I'm expecting Ramirez as the underdog at around 2.5 to 3.0. I will be surprised if Ramirez's odds reach as high as 3.5 or even more at 4.0.

Yes, I just checked just now and the odds are not still there.

Bivol is clearly the favorite here as a technical fighter and he just beat the pound-for-pound king. The excellent news for Bivol is that this fight is happening in UAE so maybe we can avoid biased judges and referees here. Because if this fight happens in the US then it will be nearly the same as the Canelo fight when it comes to judging knowing Ramirez as a cash cow of Golden Boy Promotions and he is also undefeated and popular.

And it's good that the judges are not going to be biased in this fight. As we can see in the Canelo vs Bivol fight, the judges wanted to make the score very close and if Canelo won in the last rounds then maybe Bivol will be robbed, hehehe. So I'm expecting the judges in a foreign country will be different and even if American judges are going to be pick, they will have to be fair here otherwise, other countries in the M.E. will not host a fight if they think this judges are influence by big promotions like Golden Boy or Top Rank.

i am also certain that bivol will be the bookies' favourite here once they release their odds. with the recent win of bivol over canelo, for sure, boxing fans will be rooting for him as well. but with ramirez' record and being the same age with bivol, those are factors that bivol's camp need to consider. this is not an easy fight in my opinion. the odds' gap may not be far from each other. just think of it, would ramirez permit this to be his first loss? nope. so he will also train hard for this fight.

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August 29, 2022, 11:30:51 PM
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And it's good that the judges are not going to be biased in this fight. As we can see in the Canelo vs Bivol fight, the judges wanted to make the score very close and if Canelo won in the last rounds then maybe Bivol will be robbed, hehehe. So I'm expecting the judges in a foreign country will be different and even if American judges are going to be pick, they will have to be fair here otherwise, other countries in the M.E. will not host a fight if they think this judges are influence by big promotions like Golden Boy or Top Rank.

I'm looking forward to that too. That is always the concern when dealing with a "cash cow". The other party should make a convincing win just for the judges not to influence the scorecard. If by far it will be close the entire match, something magical might happened in favor of the course of the cash cow lol.

I also don't consider a location for judges to be seen as fair as those judges will obviously come from different countries.

Not saying Ramirez won't stand a chance against Bibol but if let's say here will win here, there will be no question if he's really the clear winner of this fight.

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August 29, 2022, 11:58:33 PM
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i am also certain that bivol will be the bookies' favourite here once they release their odds. with the recent win of bivol over canelo, for sure, boxing fans will be rooting for him as well. but with ramirez' record and being the same age with bivol, those are factors that bivol's camp need to consider. this is not an easy fight in my opinion. the odds' gap may not be far from each other. just think of it, would ramirez permit this to be his first loss? nope. so he will also train hard for this fight.

After defeating the pound-for-pound king Canelo Alvarez, it really makes sense to believe that Bivol will be the favorite even though Ramirez has also good credentials, a good record, having the same age as Bivol, and is also a ranked fighter in the Middleweight before.

But my guess about how gap their odds is not that distant. Maybe I will give Ramirez around 2.5 to win the fight while Bivol is around 1.5. I don't want to think that bookies will underestimate Ramirez just because he is against the favorite Bivol.
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44 wins no loss.  That's a lot to say about Ramizer.
A long wait, the fight will be on November 5. There will be a lot of analysis we'll see between the two from the sports pickers. He could be right about Ramizer not having many big fights with big names in his pro career. But he does have the reach advantage. Who knows a Southpaw may stop Bovils reign in his division.
In theory Southpaw will have advantage over Orthodox, moreover Ramirez have a reach advantage too, he could jabs Bivol when he's open his hands. I think the only way Ramirez win is via decision, so he will play distance and need to dodge all of Bivol's punch. But who knows Bivol can find a good moment where Ramirez miscalculate the possible move from Bivol and then he get hit by Bivol that would make him fell sleep.

But Ramirez is slow as compare to Bivol, so even if he jabs then maybe Bivol can counter him with his favorite 1-2 punch, the same style and tactics he did with Canelo. But I have to agree that it might be thru decision if he is going to win. But it's going to be very difficult for Ramirez. But if he think his style will beat Bivol, then just continue and don't change anything. Perhaps the adjustment will be in the fight itself. He has the experienced so I expect to somewhat to do for him to win.

Bivol's style of fighting is something that Ramirez needs to workout and study. He has that good fundamentals where he can convert
with his combination, if Ramirez wants to take him down he needs to convert more and make sure to land a solid combination, he needs
to b more aggressive and more on trying to create an opening to land and convert solid punches into Bivol's critical areas.


Zurdo is capable of doing all these, he may just be doing all he can to beat Bivol. The two are very strong so it's going to be a battle. We haven't seen the odds yet but it might just be close with a slight favor to Bivol.

Bivol's camp comes up with an excuse ahead of time thru the issues against Zurdo about dehydration. If the accusation will be taken seriously, it could be an issue.

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I still cannot find the betting odds in this fight. But I'm expecting Ramirez as the underdog at around 2.5 to 3.0. I will be surprised if Ramirez's odds reach as high as 3.5 or even more at 4.0.

Yes, I just checked just now and the odds are not still there.

Bivol is clearly the favorite here as a technical fighter and he just beat the pound-for-pound king. The excellent news for Bivol is that this fight is happening in UAE so maybe we can avoid biased judges and referees here. Because if this fight happens in the US then it will be nearly the same as the Canelo fight when it comes to judging knowing Ramirez as a cash cow of Golden Boy Promotions and he is also undefeated and popular.

And it's good that the judges are not going to be biased in this fight. As we can see in the Canelo vs Bivol fight, the judges wanted to make the score very close and if Canelo won in the last rounds then maybe Bivol will be robbed, hehehe. So I'm expecting the judges in a foreign country will be different and even if American judges are going to be pick, they will have to be fair here otherwise, other countries in the M.E. will not host a fight if they think this judges are influence by big promotions like Golden Boy or Top Rank.

i am also certain that bivol will be the bookies' favourite here once they release their odds. with the recent win of bivol over canelo, for sure, boxing fans will be rooting for him as well. but with ramirez' record and being the same age with bivol, those are factors that bivol's camp need to consider. this is not an easy fight in my opinion. the odds' gap may not be far from each other. just think of it, would ramirez permit this to be his first loss? nope. so he will also train hard for this fight.
It seems that lately due to all the unification fights that we have watched some people have lost the perspective of how attractive the fight actually is, it is not only a fight for the world championship, it is also a fight between two boxers that are undefeated.

It's obvious that Ramirez will not accept this challenge if he was not convinced that he had what was necessary to beat Bivol, so even if I think that Bivol will be the favorite by the fans it is not as if there is a massive distance between the two, so the fight should be very interesting.
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i am also certain that bivol will be the bookies' favourite here once they release their odds. with the recent win of bivol over canelo, for sure, boxing fans will be rooting for him as well. but with ramirez' record and being the same age with bivol, those are factors that bivol's camp need to consider. this is not an easy fight in my opinion. the odds' gap may not be far from each other. just think of it, would ramirez permit this to be his first loss? nope. so he will also train hard for this fight.

After defeating the pound-for-pound king Canelo Alvarez, it really makes sense to believe that Bivol will be the favorite even though Ramirez has also good credentials, a good record, having the same age as Bivol, and is also a ranked fighter in the Middleweight before.

But my guess about how gap their odds is not that distant. Maybe I will give Ramirez around 2.5 to win the fight while Bivol is around 1.5. I don't want to think that bookies will underestimate Ramirez just because he is against the favorite Bivol.

No update yet and just like with your opinion after fans witness how Bivol dominated Alvarez the expectation for him is now higher, though Ramirez can bring him solid punches and might bring him down, we really don't know if what preparation both camps are doing right now and the outcome always being concluded after the fight. Maybe bookies will still favor Bivol but the difference is not by far enough for fans and gamblers to pick the side and wait for luck to come with in them.

If the odd for Bivol will be like that @ 1.5 I'll free some spare and will take that, I want to see him to with his belt and see if Alvarez
will be asked for a rematch after fighting GGG.

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August 30, 2022, 09:11:50 PM
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I still cannot find the betting odds in this fight. But I'm expecting Ramirez as the underdog at around 2.5 to 3.0. I will be surprised if Ramirez's odds reach as high as 3.5 or even more at 4.0.

Bivol is clearly the favorite here as a technical fighter and he just beat the pound-for-pound king. The excellent news for Bivol is that this fight is happening in UAE so maybe we can avoid biased judges and referees here. Because if this fight happens in the US then it will be nearly the same as the Canelo fight when it comes to judging knowing Ramirez as a cash cow of Golden Boy Promotions and he is also undefeated and popular.

Good point there mate.

Have read on the news that Canelo wanted to fight Bivol in a rematch in case the latter wins so this will be an added motivation for Bivol to beat Ramirez because that would be a huge payday if Canelo will be true to his words on having a rematch with Bivol.

I'm having a second thought at first on whom to bet for because for me this fight is a bit complicated to predict but with Bivol having a rematch with Canelo after this one, I will be backing the Russian as I also want him to fight Canelo next and see it that win last May was a fluke or not.

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August 30, 2022, 11:17:49 PM
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Have read on the news that Canelo wanted to fight Bivol in a rematch in case the latter wins so this will be an added motivation for Bivol to beat Ramirez because that would be a huge payday if Canelo will be true to his words on having a rematch with Bivol.

I'm having a second thought at first on whom to bet for because for me this fight is a bit complicated to predict but with Bivol having a rematch with Canelo after this one, I will be backing the Russian as I also want him to fight Canelo next and see it that win last May was a fluke or not.
But in this case, there are conditions that must be followed considering in his statement Canelo said that he would not have a rematch if Bivol lost to Ramirez so this is something that must be taken if Bivol still wants to fight Canelo.
Ramirez is the underdog but that doesn't mean he's weak at the moment it's just that Bivol's chances are bigger than him.

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August 30, 2022, 11:59:04 PM
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Have read on the news that Canelo wanted to fight Bivol in a rematch in case the latter wins so this will be an added motivation for Bivol to beat Ramirez because that would be a huge payday if Canelo will be true to his words on having a rematch with Bivol.

I'm having a second thought at first on whom to bet for because for me this fight is a bit complicated to predict but with Bivol having a rematch with Canelo after this one, I will be backing the Russian as I also want him to fight Canelo next and see it that win last May was a fluke or not.
But in this case, there are conditions that must be followed considering in his statement Canelo said that he would not have a rematch if Bivol lost to Ramirez so this is something that must be taken if Bivol still wants to fight Canelo.
Ramirez is the underdog but that doesn't mean he's weak at the moment it's just that Bivol's chances are bigger than him.

Yes, Canelo said that he doesn't want to fight a Mexican, so obviously Bivol will have to win this fight in order to make a great payday for a Canelo rematch.

Anyhow, I just thought that maybe Canelo doesn't want to deal with Golden Boy, as we all know the break up with Oscar is not that good. So regardless of Bivol win or not, for sure Canelo wanted to get his revenge fight next.

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August 31, 2022, 12:45:14 AM
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I still cannot find the betting odds in this fight. But I'm expecting Ramirez as the underdog at around 2.5 to 3.0. I will be surprised if Ramirez's odds reach as high as 3.5 or even more at 4.0.

Bivol is clearly the favorite here as a technical fighter and he just beat the pound-for-pound king. The excellent news for Bivol is that this fight is happening in UAE so maybe we can avoid biased judges and referees here. Because if this fight happens in the US then it will be nearly the same as the Canelo fight when it comes to judging knowing Ramirez as a cash cow of Golden Boy Promotions and he is also undefeated and popular.

Good point there mate.

Have read on the news that Canelo wanted to fight Bivol in a rematch in case the latter wins so this will be an added motivation for Bivol to beat Ramirez because that would be a huge payday if Canelo will be true to his words on having a rematch with Bivol.

I'm having a second thought at first on whom to bet for because for me this fight is a bit complicated to predict but with Bivol having a rematch with Canelo after this one, I will be backing the Russian as I also want him to fight Canelo next and see it that win last May was a fluke or not.

If we would based it on Bivol's last performance then for sure he will be the favorite here. But if the odds for him are not going to be attractive ML wise, for we should look for more betting options.

This fight might go to distance though, Ramirez for sure will train very hard and wanted to be the champion in this division. And if I"m not mistaken, when he started to go up in weight and given up his belt on 168 lbs, his target is to have a fight with Beterviev. And it's obvious that Arum will love to have this fight if he win against Bivol.

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August 31, 2022, 01:16:50 AM
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I'm having a second thought at first on whom to bet for because for me this fight is a bit complicated to predict but with Bivol having a rematch with Canelo after this one, I will be backing the Russian as I also want him to fight Canelo next and see it that win last May was a fluke or not.
Same here im rooting for Bivol to win because I'd like to see him again to have a rematch with Canelo (if ever it will be push through). However it is hard to predict whose gonna win in this fight because Ramirez is also a beast. They're actually a perfect match since both are undefeated. Its a challenge for Bvol because Ramirez is taller than him and has more experience. So lets see if his hands speed will work as his advantage. Nevertheless this is a great fight to look forward.

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August 31, 2022, 03:23:47 AM
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Have read on the news that Canelo wanted to fight Bivol in a rematch in case the latter wins so this will be an added motivation for Bivol to beat Ramirez because that would be a huge payday if Canelo will be true to his words on having a rematch with Bivol.

I'm having a second thought at first on whom to bet for because for me this fight is a bit complicated to predict but with Bivol having a rematch with Canelo after this one, I will be backing the Russian as I also want him to fight Canelo next and see it that win last May was a fluke or not.
But in this case, there are conditions that must be followed considering in his statement Canelo said that he would not have a rematch if Bivol lost to Ramirez so this is something that must be taken if Bivol still wants to fight Canelo.
Ramirez is the underdog but that doesn't mean he's weak at the moment it's just that Bivol's chances are bigger than him.
being underdog does not mean he will surely lose because chance will always there till the end of fight but in this event yeah I am favoring Dmitry Bivol and facing Canelo Alvarez again as His dream will push this fight for His win.
though i am expecting big for Ramirez here as this seems to be a debut fight for Him.
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