[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13

[carlisle1]

As typically for camps, they'll say that they'll have the better stance on the fight night. But, like what everyone is telling that it's gonna be hard for Butler but easy for Naoya.

Obviously, no need to contest that because Inoue is the heavy favorite to win, and the odds are based on the perception of the people which bookmakers do only make a few mistakes on that. Though surprises happened in the sports of boxing, it's highly unlikely that Butler will win.

Bet on Inoue via KO, this will not last long for sure.

Most of the fans and gamblers who backing Inoue will surely take that bet, instead of low odd, with the ML taking that kind of bet
is better, it's very possible that Inoue will put Butler down.

Maybe with the defensive skills of Butler he might extent his stay, but once Inoue already saw an opening, it will be difficult for
Butler to keep his defense and he will be forced to engage and make a counterattack.

We never know when upset may take place, but likewise, it's possible and it happens in every sport, especially in boxing.

[Kasabus]

With a proper diet and enough time of preparation, moving to another weight division is not hard for this monster.

That's true. They have months to prepare for the fight, it's sufficient to adjust their body and train. It would be a bit different for what Inoue used to but I think it's not hard for him to adjust just incase.

It's too early to talk on that, I think moving up is easier than going down in weight, and besides, Inoue has the power and speed, that's enough to still make him a fighter to be scared of once he moves up. After this fight, if he wins, I think that's gonna be his next move, so let's just wait and see.

It's part of his possible plans, but maybe he also sees more money from this division and he's good at maintaining his weight
so we never know what's the real score is in terms of moving up.

Just how you see it, too early for discussing that and there's always a balancing thing to make a decision, he might be thinking
about it, but for now, he's focusing on winning all the belts.

We will see any update for sure if there's a move coming from Inoue's camp, but for now it will be more on this upcoming fight.

It's not really that early, besides, we won't be having this kind of speculation if Inoue himself didn't say or consider that he'll move to the next weight class if he is already finish in unifying all the belts in his current division. Talking about his chances, there is a high chance that he will move after this because majority of us here already are already convinced and thought that Inoue will be crowned as the undisputed champion rather than Butler.

Inoue was interviewed recently by the JapanTimes and this is what he said:

“From here on, I want to give performances worthy of the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter.
“In order to do that, I need to unify the bantamweight world titles and then take on the super-bantamweight division.”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2022/06/28/more-sports/boxing-2/inoue-pound-for-pound-bantamweight/

[serjent05]

Obviously, no need to contest that because Inoue is the heavy favorite to win, and the odds are based on the perception of the people which bookmakers do only make a few mistakes on that. Though surprises happened in the sports of boxing, it's highly unlikely that Butler will win.

Bet on Inoue via KO, this will not last long for sure.

Most of the fans and gamblers who backing Inoue will surely take that bet, instead of low odd, with the ML taking that kind of bet
is better, it's very possible that Inoue will put Butler down.

Maybe with the defensive skills of Butler he might extent his stay, but once Inoue already saw an opening, it will be difficult for
Butler to keep his defense and he will be forced to engage and make a counterattack.

We never know when upset may take place, but likewise, it's possible and it happens in every sport, especially in boxing.

Upset happens but I think it is very slim on this match.  Besides Inoue has a killer body blow which when landed on Butler's body might make Butler to depend on that area, which can open his upper part.  We know Butler doesn't have a sturdy chin, so there might be a possibility of Butler's getting caught on the chin while defending his body.  I just can't think of any possible way Butler can win this match so if ever He won, this would be the biggest upset in the history of the weight division.

[jossiel]

As typically for camps, they'll say that they'll have the better stance on the fight night. But, like what everyone is telling that it's gonna be hard for Butler but easy for Naoya.

Obviously, no need to contest that because Inoue is the heavy favorite to win, and the odds are based on the perception of the people which bookmakers do only make a few mistakes on that. Though surprises happened in the sports of boxing, it's highly unlikely that Butler will win.

Bet on Inoue via KO, this will not last long for sure.

Yes.

That's the pulse of everyone who's on this match and that's why odds aren't a lot for Inoue but more with Butler.

Those bettors that would just like to go against the crowd can bet for Butler as that's what the people and speculations are telling.

And that's all about Inoue winning this match so, we're all free to bet where we want to. If you just wanna gamble, choose what you want.

[harizen]

We never know when upset may take place, but likewise, it's possible and it happens in every sport, especially in boxing.

Upset really happened but not in this match.

Unless Inoue suffers an injury while training and still decide to push for the fight, that's an advantage for Butler.

The reason is clear why upset won't happen. Butler doesn't have the power to bring down Inoue for let's say an event where Butler is able to connect lots of punches. Inoue's build is really strong and in order to slow him down, his opponent should really have that strong punch which, unfortunately, Butler doesn't have.

[chaser15]

Maybe with the defensive skills of Butler he might extent his stay, but once Inoue already saw an opening, it will be difficult for
Butler to keep his defense and he will be forced to engage and make a counterattack.

Butler doesn't have defensive skills. Where did you get that information?

Even Butler does it, Inoue will just easily crash it. Almost all bantamweights are being destroyed by Inoue and it just shows no defense can stop him.

I admire Butler if he can last up to 12 rounds. That's a spirit if that happpened.

[AmoreJaz]

Maybe with the defensive skills of Butler he might extent his stay, but once Inoue already saw an opening, it will be difficult for
Butler to keep his defense and he will be forced to engage and make a counterattack.

Butler doesn't have defensive skills. Where did you get that information?

Even Butler does it, Inoue will just easily crash it. Almost all bantamweights are being destroyed by Inoue and it just shows no defense can stop him.

I admire Butler if he can last up to 12 rounds. That's a spirit if that happpened.

with such explanation, it is better to bet on betting lines like if this will go the distance or what round will this be finished? inoue has really high likelihood of winning. but betting on inoue as winner has very low odds which is not actually worth betting if you will bet not a significant amount of money. upset is less likely to happen here. but who knows, we don't know what kind of prep butler's camp is doing right now.

[goinmerry]

Inoue was interviewed recently by the JapanTimes and this is what he said:

“From here on, I want to give performances worthy of the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter.
“In order to do that, I need to unify the bantamweight world titles and then take on the super-bantamweight division.”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2022/06/28/more-sports/boxing-2/inoue-pound-for-pound-bantamweight/

What a statement and I believed he is now getting close to reaching that achievement.

Naoya Inoue will now be crowned as the Undisputed Bantamweight Champion in December.

He really deserves that recognition as he worked for it hard.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Right now I see things very complicated, especially for betting, I have seen how many people wait for the statistics, to give themselves a guide of what they can do, but who can the money and will risk it is ourselves as bettors, I in In case I do my personal research, that includes doing research online, interviews, something you may have seen, maybe some kind of training videos, everything that has to do with boxers.

Is that statement of yours referring to betting in this particular right?

There's no need to complicate everything. Research about this fight is nonsense as the result is very clear. Depends on the betting line, I doubt bookies will open a betting for Inoue winning by TKO in a matter of 6 rounds with decent odds.

Odds for Inoue winning by TKO in the early rounds maybe will just be around 1.4 - 1.5.

I agree, the line for the over/under might be at 7.5 rounds, but it will be the odds that are going to be interesting, but I believed it will be like that 1.4 - 1.5 as we all know that it's hard to stay for at least 6 rounds because of Inoue's punching power. So the odds that the bookies are going to offer the under is low, and we will be lucky if we get that kind of odds. And this fight is not going to be complicated, on the contrary, I'm seeing that maybe a few will skip this fight and would rather just enjoy it as it is. Yes, it's for the unification at bantamweight, but the level of the boxers are very different, Butler's chance of winning is very slim.

Yes, I know that most of them give full support to Inoue, of course we have a vision of what Butler can do and since nobody is convinced of his performance they can give all those statistics, it is remarkable because Butler has to be a boxer who may lose his strength after the 6th or 7th round, however I do not rule out the possibility of a surprise, he may take Inoue to his comfort zone and establish the corresponding strategy, because it is most likely that Inoue will go out with everything to give a knockout, we have to wait to see how he stands against Inoue, for him it is a very good opportunity if he wins.

Maybe with the defensive skills of Butler he might extent his stay, but once Inoue already saw an opening, it will be difficult for
Butler to keep his defense and he will be forced to engage and make a counterattack.

Butler doesn't have defensive skills. Where did you get that information?

Even Butler does it, Inoue will just easily crash it. Almost all bantamweights are being destroyed by Inoue and it just shows no defense can stop him.

I admire Butler if he can last up to 12 rounds. That's a spirit if that happpened.

with such explanation, it is better to bet on betting lines like if this will go the distance or what round will this be finished? inoue has really high likelihood of winning. but betting on inoue as winner has very low odds which is not actually worth betting if you will bet not a significant amount of money. upset is less likely to happen here. but who knows, we don't know what kind of prep butler's camp is doing right now.

Well looking at it from the point of view that Inoue can easily take on Butler is something that could be debated, I know that Inoue has a high level and is a boxer that until now I have not seen weakness, the only weakness that Inoue can have It is that Butler takes him to his field and makes him fall there, I have seen that some are betting that Butler can reach the 12th round, and yes, it is very likely that he will arrive, perhaps winning or enduring the punishment that Inoue can give him, but In a case of Inoue's carelessness, Butler will be there to take advantage of that vulnerability, I think that Butler's best strategy will be that Inoue is wrong about something.

Inoue was interviewed recently by the JapanTimes and this is what he said:

“From here on, I want to give performances worthy of the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter.
“In order to do that, I need to unify the bantamweight world titles and then take on the super-bantamweight division.”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2022/06/28/more-sports/boxing-2/inoue-pound-for-pound-bantamweight/

What a statement and I believed he is now getting close to reaching that achievement.

Naoya Inoue will now be crowned as the Undisputed Bantamweight Champion in December.

He really deserves that recognition as he worked for it hard.

Well, if what he says is achieved, Inoue if he manages to unify and celebrate the Super Bantamweight fight and he manages to become the maximum champion, it is for me a unique opportunity to show that he is the best in his category, I think this it has a lot to do with the growth of a boxer, for me Inoue has all this very clear, he has no doubt about things, I think that if it is done this way, in my personal opinion I would like Inoue to be able to move to another category much higher weight, because his technique is prestigious and I'm sure he can take advantage of it on a large scale, and I'm sure many of us would like to see Inoue in a higher weight category.


In this section I found good information about both fighters, for those who want to review it, it is very good, here you can actually see the fight live and direct:

Inoue's last 5 fights have come over a period of 2 years, 10 months and 27 days, meaning he has been fighting on average every 7 months. In those fights, he fought a total of 32 rounds, meaning that they have lasted 6.4 rounds on average.

Butler's last 5 fights have come over a period of 6 years, 6 months and 22 days, meaning he has been fighting on average every 1 year, 3 months and 24 days. In those fights, he fought a total of 55 rounds, meaning that they have lasted 11 rounds on average.

Source: https://box.live/fights/inoue-vs-butler/

I particularly know that many people go for Inoue, his category and way of fighting shows that he is a boxer who manages to do many things accurately and efficiently, I think these things are good to take into account, but Butler has many good things and characteristics special ones that can make you give a big surprise.

[jossiel]

I particularly know that many people go for Inoue, his category and way of fighting shows that he is a boxer who manages to do many things accurately and efficiently, I think these things are good to take into account, but Butler has many good things and characteristics special ones that can make you give a big surprise.

It is actually good to see that there is a division of thoughts on who ia going to win and who is your bet.

Both has good stats but it seems that many are for Inoue based on how he has beaten Donaire two times and as well as his past opponents.

Butler has a good stats as well but it is like many will not change their minds on how impressed they are with Inoue's past fights.

[inthelongrun]

I particularly know that many people go for Inoue, his category and way of fighting shows that he is a boxer who manages to do many things accurately and efficiently, I think these things are good to take into account, but Butler has many good things and characteristics special ones that can make you give a big surprise.

It is actually good to see that there is a division of thoughts on who ia going to win and who is your bet.

Both has good stats but it seems that many are for Inoue based on how he has beaten Donaire two times and as well as his past opponents.

Butler has a good stats as well but it is like many will not change their minds on how impressed they are with Inoue's past fights.

Yes, I agree that both fighters are preparing to the best of their abilities to get the win. There is too much at stake here. The winner becomes the undisputed champion and the first ever bantamweight undisputed champion since the 4-belt era.

But I cannot deny that I am one of those that belittle Butler's ability to win here. It's just that the credentials and stats probably all belong to Inoue. The fight venue alone will make Inoue feel at home and will further boost his morale. Inoue has every reason to win here. But I have so much respect for Butler for taking this suicidal fight. At least he never hides his belt in England and tries to defend it against contenders. This is history in the making and may the best man wins.

[carlisle1]

I particularly know that many people go for Inoue, his category and way of fighting shows that he is a boxer who manages to do many things accurately and efficiently, I think these things are good to take into account, but Butler has many good things and characteristics special ones that can make you give a big surprise.

It is actually good to see that there is a division of thoughts on who ia going to win and who is your bet.

Both has good stats but it seems that many are for Inoue based on how he has beaten Donaire two times and as well as his past opponents.

Butler has a good stats as well but it is like many will not change their minds on how impressed they are with Inoue's past fights.

Yes, I agree that both fighters are preparing to the best of their abilities to get the win. There is too much at stake here. The winner becomes the undisputed champion and the first ever bantamweight undisputed champion since the 4-belt era.

But I cannot deny that I am one of those that belittle Butler's ability to win here. It's just that the credentials and stats probably all belong to Inoue. The fight venue alone will make Inoue feel at home and will further boost his morale. Inoue has every reason to win here. But I have so much respect for Butler for taking this suicidal fight. At least he never hides his belt in England and tries to defend it against contenders. This is history in the making and may the best man wins.

The venue itself will boost Inoue's aggressiveness, he will surely want his home crowd to see exciting and entertaining
performances coming from his camp.

Same with you. I guess Butler's acceptance for this fight gives him a credit being a title holder, unless he and his camp
back out but for now it will be an anticipating winner takes all matchup.

looking forward to see what adjustment Butler's camp will be, he's the underdog but still a defending belt holder.

[btc78]

I particularly know that many people go for Inoue, his category and way of fighting shows that he is a boxer who manages to do many things accurately and efficiently, I think these things are good to take into account, but Butler has many good things and characteristics special ones that can make you give a big surprise.

It is actually good to see that there is a division of thoughts on who ia going to win and who is your bet.

Both has good stats but it seems that many are for Inoue based on how he has beaten Donaire two times and as well as his past opponents.

Butler has a good stats as well but it is like many will not change their minds on how impressed they are with Inoue's past fights.

Butler is not enough to  bring Inoue His Defeat , yeah is a good boxer but knowing Naoya Inoue?  I know he will not make it there to get this win for now.

Like what you Said the famous and great Boxer like Nonito Donaire did not even make a single win against this Japanese boxer.

surely this will be an exciting fight but in the end , it is Naoya will win .

[Smartprofit]

I don't think Butler's skill should be underestimated.  Yes, in the upcoming battle, he is potentially very much inferior to the Japanese. 

However, Butler is an experienced and strong fighter.  If he does not lose personal courage and fights with all his strength, then he has a chance to win.  Butler is very unpredictable.  It is not for nothing that this boxer is called the Killer, who has a childish face.  He can outsmart the Japanese. 

If the Japanese boxer relaxes, then Butler can launch a surprise attack that will lead to a technical knockout.  Such an option now seems completely unbelievable, but it is possible.

Butler's experience is nullified since Inoue is also an experienced boxer.  Inoue faces a more formidable opponent and knocked them down without getting himself knocked out.  In terms of punching power, Inoue faced boxers who have superior punching power than Butler and was never knocked down.  So I think Inoue can absorb Butler's punches without any issue.  I don't know how can an alias help a boxer win a fight when the parameters show Inoue has all the advantages.

It doesn't really matter which of these two boxers will win this fight.  It is important to bet correctly. 

Winning is important in gambling.  It is most important. 

True so it is better to bet on the boxer who has more chance of winnings. In this match I believe Inoue is the better boxer and has more chance of winning than Butler.

However, it is the Butler bet that can help maximize winnings.  Very often the most profitable gaming strategy is to bet on an unlikely event.

The winning reward is greater if we bet on Butler but the odds of that boxer winning is very small according to the predictions of members here.  How can it maximize winnings when the percentage of winning is very low.

The famous trader, writer and philosopher Nassim Taleb developed a concept that he called the Black Swan.  A black swan is an unlikely and difficult to predict event with far-reaching consequences. 

Since Nassim Taleb was a trader, this concept interested him primarily from a practical point of view.  In terms of earnings and profit.  He understood that it was possible to purposefully look for such events and make money on them.  Betting on such events can bring big profits.

In our case, I agree with you that the victory of the English boxer is very unlikely.  Meanwhile, this is not an incredible event.  Everything is possible in boxing. 

A Japanese boxer can, for example, suddenly fall ill with covid or flu and lose all his advantages in a fight.

[Cryptmuster]

Yes, I agree that both fighters are preparing to the best of their abilities to get the win. There is too much at stake here. The winner becomes the undisputed champion and the first ever bantamweight undisputed champion since the 4-belt era.

But I cannot deny that I am one of those that belittle Butler's ability to win here. It's just that the credentials and stats probably all belong to Inoue. The fight venue alone will make Inoue feel at home and will further boost his morale. Inoue has every reason to win here. But I have so much respect for Butler for taking this suicidal fight. At least he never hides his belt in England and tries to defend it against contenders. This is history in the making and may the best man wins.

It's a good opportunity for Butler to fight in a title fight, it's a chance anyway, Inoue is the favorite but anything happens, a good streak of punches and everything can change. But definitely Butlet understands everything, he agrees to this fight realizing that all the conditions are very favorable for Inoue, and therefore his chances are very low. I have not been able to find information anywhere about what fees the fighters will have for this fight, but I think this was a motivation for Butler, not least.

[BitDane]

I particularly know that many people go for Inoue, his category and way of fighting shows that he is a boxer who manages to do many things accurately and efficiently, I think these things are good to take into account, but Butler has many good things and characteristics special ones that can make you give a big surprise.

I wonder what are these characteristics that will surprise us.  Can you give a sound example of that characteristics and why you think it will give us a big surprise?  Butler maybe not worn out due to the long period of interval per fight but I do not think Inoue had started deteriorating yet.  Besides statistics wise and opponent wise, Inoue had fought much better opponent than Butler had (except for Tete) and defeated them all.

[btc_angela]

I particularly know that many people go for Inoue, his category and way of fighting shows that he is a boxer who manages to do many things accurately and efficiently, I think these things are good to take into account, but Butler has many good things and characteristics special ones that can make you give a big surprise.

I wonder what are these characteristics that will surprise us.  Can you give a sound example of that characteristics and why you think it will give us a big surprise?  Butler maybe not worn out due to the long period of interval per fight but I do not think Inoue had started deteriorating yet.  Besides statistics wise and opponent wise, Inoue had fought much better opponent than Butler had (except for Tete) and defeated them all.

Good question, I don't see anything special as well to Butler that will give us a big surprised and upset Inoue for the unification. No disrespect, if him and Casimero may have fought, I will favor the Filipino over Butler. But since Butler won the fight against the replacement Sultan then it's his chance to face Inoue right now. But you gave a strong point that most of his opponents or the quality is not the same as what Inoue has fought and he all defeated him. Tete was knockout by Casimero if my memory serves me right.

[Kelvinid]

I particularly know that many people go for Inoue, his category and way of fighting shows that he is a boxer who manages to do many things accurately and efficiently, I think these things are good to take into account, but Butler has many good things and characteristics special ones that can make you give a big surprise.

I wonder what are these characteristics that will surprise us.  Can you give a sound example of that characteristics and why you think it will give us a big surprise?  Butler maybe not worn out due to the long period of interval per fight but I do not think Inoue had started deteriorating yet.  Besides statistics wise and opponent wise, Inoue had fought much better opponent than Butler had (except for Tete) and defeated them all.

Good question, I don't see anything special as well to Butler that will give us a big surprised and upset Inoue for the unification. No disrespect, if him and Casimero may have fought, I will favor the Filipino over Butler. But since Butler won the fight against the replacement Sultan then it's his chance to face Inoue right now. But you gave a strong point that most of his opponents or the quality is not the same as what Inoue has fought and he all defeated him. Tete was knockout by Casimero if my memory serves me right.

The betting odds proved that Casimero was the better fighter, in fact, Casimero was the heavy favorite to win that fight if it did happen.

https://www.gamblingsites.org/blog/john-riel-casimero-vs-paul-butler-prop-bets-winner/

Casimero is a huge betting favorite for this weekend’s bout against Butler with odds ranging from -2000 to -3400.

It looks similar to the betting odds of Inoue in this fight.

[Silberman]

WBC and WBO super bantamweight Champion Stephen Fulton has shown interest in fighting the Bantamweight King Naoya Inoue if possible or if the latter moved up to 122lb. But if that didn't happen, Fulton can fight Murodjon Akhmadaliev instead to unify the Super Bantamweight title.

Just as I thought that the Champions in that division are waiting for Naoya Inoue. I think Inoue can crash these guys at the Super Bantamweight but of course, he just needs to fully prepare for that and don't rush everything.

The way I looked at Inoue, he is overqualified already to compete in the Super Bantamweight. Who's with me or against my idea?

You are right, Inoue is way above the competition he is facing at this division and we only have to take a look at this thread to know this is true, this is an unification fight which will create an undisputed champion and yet we are not giving Butler any chance for him to win the fight, this is how dominant Inoue really is and I do not see how this will change during the short term, so if he wants to face new challenges he has no other option but to move up a division.

He is too much because his best rival was out due to cheating, I know you know about Casimero, if only he was still a champion and Inoue gave him a chance to fight, then most probably we cannot say that there's no competition in this division.

I do know about the problems Casimero is having above and outside the ring which caused him to be striped off his title and allowed Butler to have this chance against Inoue, however this is not the problem of Inoue, Inoue can only fight against opponents that will definitely show up the day of the fight and with the right weight, and right now this seems to be beyond the capabilities of Casimero, so he has lost at the moment his opportunity to face Inoue.

[bbc.reporter]

With a proper diet and enough time of preparation, moving to another weight division is not hard for this monster.

That's true. They have months to prepare for the fight, it's sufficient to adjust their body and train. It would be a bit different for what Inoue used to but I think it's not hard for him to adjust just incase.

It's too early to talk on that, I think moving up is easier than going down in weight, and besides, Inoue has the power and speed, that's enough to still make him a fighter to be scared of once he moves up. After this fight, if he wins, I think that's gonna be his next move, so let's just wait and see.

It's part of his possible plans, but maybe he also sees more money from this division and he's good at maintaining his weight
so we never know what's the real score is in terms of moving up.

Just how you see it, too early for discussing that and there's always a balancing thing to make a decision, he might be thinking
about it, but for now, he's focusing on winning all the belts.

We will see any update for sure if there's a move coming from Inoue's camp, but for now it will be more on this upcoming fight.

It's not really that early, besides, we won't be having this kind of speculation if Inoue himself didn't say or consider that he'll move to the next weight class if he is already finish in unifying all the belts in his current division. Talking about his chances, there is a high chance that he will move after this because majority of us here already are already convinced and thought that Inoue will be crowned as the undisputed champion rather than Butler.

Inoue was interviewed recently by the JapanTimes and this is what he said:

“From here on, I want to give performances worthy of the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter.
“In order to do that, I need to unify the bantamweight world titles and then take on the super-bantamweight division.”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2022/06/28/more-sports/boxing-2/inoue-pound-for-pound-bantamweight/

This is what I have been speculating! Now it will become true! Inoue clearly has the talent and he should not be another ordinary champion. He deserves a similar status to Mayweather and Pacman, I reckon.

If he challenges Stephen Fulton, Fulton should challenge Murodjon Akhmadaliev and unify the super bantamweight championships first hehehee. It will be the first time in boxing history where 2 undisputed champions will be fighting in the ring. However, if Fulton does not unify the championships in super bantamweight, Inoue might do it hehe.