[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13

[harizen]

Let's measure the success rate by a chance and we can see that on the betting odds once it's out.

Odds are already out I think just a few days or weeks after the official announcement of this fight.

Naoya Inoue @ 1.02
Paul Butler @ 12

Source: https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42925198-inoue-naoya-butler-paul

Although betting options are still limited for an obvious reason that the fight still has months to go.

[stadus]

This time it's against Paul Butler, it's no use thinking that he will win because that won't happen even if Inoue is feeling bad or ill in the day of their fight. I know Inoue is not that kind of boxer who underestimates his foe but it's too clear that Butler won't stand a chance especially if we are talking about withstanding punches, he can't survive that.

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

That might be an expensive mistake that will cost Butler another defeat if he will try to prove that he can give Inoue a good fight that will last longer than 7 or 8 rounds, a 3rd defeat in fact because I can already imagine that he will lose by a way of KO or TKO as a decision is not that likely to happen especially in this fight where Inoue is looking forward to give a message to the boxers in the next weight class.

[lionheart78]

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Naoya Inoue but just referring to the close one that will happen in the match.

Even for let's say Butler is able to beat Casimero, still it doesn't change the fact that he is nowhere within Inoue's league.

People are not underestimating Butler without a good basis.

I find it interesting that there are the other side that thinks that Butler will win against Inoue. But to those that have seen how good really is Inoue, you'll be like us who have the idea why we're thinking like that.

But it's okay to think that it could be Butler getting this match because of what you have seen as well. So, it will end up that we could be wrong or it could be you when the time comes. Although, it's not a biggie really.

Upset can happen, we cannot deny that, other than that, people who think Butler has more chance of winning are simply expressing a fan's wish and is blind to actual statistics of both boxers.

That might be an expensive mistake that will cost Butler another defeat if he will try to prove that he can give Inoue a good fight that will last longer than 7 or 8 rounds, a 3rd defeat in fact because I can already imagine that he will lose by a way of KO or TKO as a decision is not that likely to happen especially in this fight where Inoue is looking forward to give a message to the boxers in the next weight class.

I am still thinking of the many possibilities available on how Inoue will win this fight.  With the previous performance of Butler, my mind tells me that it would be an early knockout but the performance of Butler against Sultan tells me a possible late-game decision.

[Quidat]

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Naoya Inoue but just referring to the close one that will happen in the match.

Even for let's say Butler is able to beat Casimero, still it doesn't change the fact that he is nowhere within Inoue's league.

People are not underestimating Butler without a good basis.

What would you expect? For sure they would really be sticking on whose the current popular or known boxers and would really be underestimating
to those underdogs.They wont really be mattering nor be checking out on what Butler's accomplishments and history in terms of boxing.
But cant really be that avoided that you could really see the differences on how they do box out inside the ring.
I would really be putting my money on Inoue no matter what though.

[carlisle1]

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Naoya Inoue but just referring to the close one that will happen in the match.

Even for let's say Butler is able to beat Casimero, still it doesn't change the fact that he is nowhere within Inoue's league.

People are not underestimating Butler without a good basis.

What would you expect? For sure they would really be sticking on whose the current popular or known boxers and would really be underestimating
to those underdogs.They wont really be mattering nor be checking out on what Butler's accomplishments and history in terms of boxing.
But cant really be that avoided that you could really see the differences on how they do box out inside the ring.
I would really be putting my money on Inoue no matter what though.

I can't blame you if that's how you see it. Butler's resume is completed as he is also a belt holder, but comparing it to Inoue
there's really huge gap in their skills.

It will be determined once the fight is already happening, if there is the finalization between the two camps, fans are already waiting
they wanted to settle these in this same division.

Inoue to win might not be the question for the bettors, but the real question here is when and how he will finish Butler.

[stadus]

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Naoya Inoue but just referring to the close one that will happen in the match.

Even for let's say Butler is able to beat Casimero, still it doesn't change the fact that he is nowhere within Inoue's league.

People are not underestimating Butler without a good basis.

I find it interesting that there are the other side that thinks that Butler will win against Inoue. But to those that have seen how good really is Inoue, you'll be like us who have the idea why we're thinking like that.

But it's okay to think that it could be Butler getting this match because of what you have seen as well. So, it will end up that we could be wrong or it could be you when the time comes. Although, it's not a biggie really.

Upset can happen, we cannot deny that, other than that, people who think Butler has more chance of winning are simply expressing a fan's wish and is blind to actual statistics of both boxers.

That might be an expensive mistake that will cost Butler another defeat if he will try to prove that he can give Inoue a good fight that will last longer than 7 or 8 rounds, a 3rd defeat in fact because I can already imagine that he will lose by a way of KO or TKO as a decision is not that likely to happen especially in this fight where Inoue is looking forward to give a message to the boxers in the next weight class.

I am still thinking of the many possibilities available on how Inoue will win this fight.  With the previous performance of Butler, my mind tells me that it would be an early knockout but the performance of Butler against Sultan tells me a possible late-game decision.

Just let them be, cannot really blame them if they are inclined to see Butler win although that is almost near to impossible because their idol is now facing the monster of Japan which is also a knockout artist.

I believe that KO or TKO is likely the result in this fight but I think the bookies will just list a low odds on KO/TKO in favor of Inoue because they knew the likelihood outcome of the fight. That said, a win by a decision will be much more attractive but let's see it soon as we still have 2 more months to go.

[Jating]

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Naoya Inoue but just referring to the close one that will happen in the match.

Even for let's say Butler is able to beat Casimero, still it doesn't change the fact that he is nowhere within Inoue's league.

People are not underestimating Butler without a good basis.

What would you expect? For sure they would really be sticking on whose the current popular or known boxers and would really be underestimating
to those underdogs.They wont really be mattering nor be checking out on what Butler's accomplishments and history in terms of boxing.
But cant really be that avoided that you could really see the differences on how they do box out inside the ring.
I would really be putting my money on Inoue no matter what though.

Well true boxing fans when checking who are going to fight will have their favorite already as to who will it. So for us and the betting public, it will be Inoue no doubt, the chances of Butler is very slim.

Nevertheless, it shouldn't bother him but instead let the world know how good he is. On the other hand, it will also show how Inoue is just above level of the competition at bantamweight and taking Butler's belt and then having it all right after the fight only prove that fans have all the right to put their money on him.

[lionheart78]

Just let them be, cannot really blame them if they are inclined to see Butler win although that is almost near to impossible because their idol is now facing the monster of Japan which is also a knockout artist.

Yeah, I agree with you, after all the boxers performance will speak when they meet each other on the ring.

I believe that KO or TKO is likely the result in this fight but I think the bookies will just list a low odds on KO/TKO in favor of Inoue because they knew the likelihood outcome of the fight. That said, a win by a decision will be much more attractive but let's see it soon as we still have 2 more months to go.

I also think that there is a huge possibility of early to mid-round KO.  Unless Butler had prepared himself and trained his body to withstand the beating.  But of course, as a bettor and having more options to bet, a decision favors Inoue, KO win by Inoue on x round, we cannot remove the fact to think deeper in order to bag more winnings when we know that betting on early KO gives more reward but then we cannot remove the fact that Butler is also training hard to achieve an upset win or at least last the whole fight.  I know it is way too early talking about odds but well, I just can't help myself talking about it.   

[AmoreJaz]

Just let them be, cannot really blame them if they are inclined to see Butler win although that is almost near to impossible because their idol is now facing the monster of Japan which is also a knockout artist.

Yeah, I agree with you, after all the boxers performance will speak when they meet each other on the ring.

I believe that KO or TKO is likely the result in this fight but I think the bookies will just list a low odds on KO/TKO in favor of Inoue because they knew the likelihood outcome of the fight. That said, a win by a decision will be much more attractive but let's see it soon as we still have 2 more months to go.

I also think that there is a huge possibility of early to mid-round KO.  Unless Butler had prepared himself and trained his body to withstand the beating.  But of course, as a bettor and having more options to bet, a decision favors Inoue, KO win by Inoue on x round, we cannot remove the fact to think deeper in order to bag more winnings when we know that betting on early KO gives more reward but then we cannot remove the fact that Butler is also training hard to achieve an upset win or at least last the whole fight.  I know it is way too early talking about odds but well, I just can't help myself talking about it.  

if you are betting on butler right now, if upset will happen, it is 12x right now at stake. that is, if butler can beat inoue. but the likelihood of getting upset here is really slim in my opinion. if butler will come prepared, and so is inoue. but it is still interesting to watch how they are inside the ring. some boxers can pull off the fight because of their rigid preparation and working on their strategies. but once inside, those strategies fly off because they won't know what to do if the opponent also changes his movements.

[lionheart78]

if you are betting on butler right now, if upset will happen, it is 12x right now at stake. that is, if butler can beat inoue. but the likelihood of getting upset here is really slim in my opinion.  if butler will come prepared, and so is inoue.

That is indeed an enticing offer to bet on Butler but definitely a way for sportsbook to reap more money from bettors who wanted to take the risk just to bag a bigger reward.    I wouldn't bet on the underdog this time ( would do if Inoue is the underdog though).  As far as I think of it, I believe Inoue has more than 90% chance of winning, an upset win has really a very low chance here due to the discipline and ability of Inoue.

but it is still interesting to watch how they are inside the ring. some boxers can pull off the fight because of their rigid preparation and working on their strategies. but once inside, those strategies fly off because they won't know what to do if the opponent also changes his movements.

True, all it needs is court intelligence.  A boxer who is well aware of the surrounding, and strategy of the opponent and be able to adapt to the tactics of opponent and can dictate the tempo or counter the tempo of the opponent is more likely to win.  Butler may dance around the ring in order to avoid a head-on clash but I think Inoue knows what to do in a situation where his opponent makes use of the ring.

[jossiel]

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Naoya Inoue but just referring to the close one that will happen in the match.

Even for let's say Butler is able to beat Casimero, still it doesn't change the fact that he is nowhere within Inoue's league.

People are not underestimating Butler without a good basis.

I find it interesting that there are the other side that thinks that Butler will win against Inoue. But to those that have seen how good really is Inoue, you'll be like us who have the idea why we're thinking like that.

But it's okay to think that it could be Butler getting this match because of what you have seen as well. So, it will end up that we could be wrong or it could be you when the time comes. Although, it's not a biggie really.

Upset can happen, we cannot deny that, other than that, people who think Butler has more chance of winning are simply expressing a fan's wish and is blind to actual statistics of both boxers.

Well, it's on them.

If that's what they think that shall be the outcome of this match then so be it as their opinion. But we know how numbers don't lie and it's favoring Inoue and that's why we have that belief that this is going to be his.

And not just that.

There will be a KO or TKO that will come to happen.

[carlisle1]

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Naoya Inoue but just referring to the close one that will happen in the match.

Even for let's say Butler is able to beat Casimero, still it doesn't change the fact that he is nowhere within Inoue's league.

People are not underestimating Butler without a good basis.

I find it interesting that there are the other side that thinks that Butler will win against Inoue. But to those that have seen how good really is Inoue, you'll be like us who have the idea why we're thinking like that.

But it's okay to think that it could be Butler getting this match because of what you have seen as well. So, it will end up that we could be wrong or it could be you when the time comes. Although, it's not a biggie really.

Upset can happen, we cannot deny that, other than that, people who think Butler has more chance of winning are simply expressing a fan's wish and is blind to actual statistics of both boxers.

Well, it's on them.

If that's what they think that shall be the outcome of this match then so be it as their opinion. But we know how numbers don't lie and it's favoring Inoue and that's why we have that belief that this is going to be his.

And not just that.

There will be a KO or TKO that will come to happen.

Yeah right, it's their opinion that we should respect. After all, we do have differences when basing our opinions and
getting the context we can accept that upset is really happening.

Though it's Inoue that we are talking here, which is really a top caliber champ superior to Butler with a very
different types of skill sets that really uplift his winning chance.

We should all wait till the final day and till we see them together inside the ring. It will be the announcer that will dictate
who's going to be the best from this division.

[Kasabus]

This time it's against Paul Butler, it's no use thinking that he will win because that won't happen even if Inoue is feeling bad or ill in the day of their fight. I know Inoue is not that kind of boxer who underestimates his foe but it's too clear that Butler won't stand a chance especially if we are talking about withstanding punches, he can't survive that.

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

I share the same sentiment because I believe it would be Casimero fighting for the undisputed title if he didn't fail to meet the required weight and all those scandal that he was in that is why he was stripped by his belt. In terms of power, my money is for Casimero if he were to fight Butler, no doubt. That is why I strongly believe that Butler cannot prove us wrong because his skills are just too unfortunate if we will compare with Inoue as he can't really keep up with Inoue's power.

[Baofeng]

This time it's against Paul Butler, it's no use thinking that he will win because that won't happen even if Inoue is feeling bad or ill in the day of their fight. I know Inoue is not that kind of boxer who underestimates his foe but it's too clear that Butler won't stand a chance especially if we are talking about withstanding punches, he can't survive that.

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

I share the same sentiment because I believe it would be Casimero fighting for the undisputed title if he didn't fail to meet the required weight and all those scandal that he was in that is why he was stripped by his belt. In terms of power, my money is for Casimero if he were to fight Butler, no doubt. That is why I strongly believe that Butler cannot prove us wrong because his skills are just too unfortunate if we will compare with Inoue as he can't really keep up with Inoue's power.

Oh well, as much as we wanted to see Casimero vs Inoue as the next best fight if not the best fight in this division, it won't be happening. We've seen how Casimero issues really caught up with him and so the fight is off already and it will be Butler chance to crack the puzzle of Inoue. But we all doubt it, chances are slim. But if it is Casimero then maybe the odds are not going to be like that. maybe Casimero will be an underdog like 4x-6x as compare to Butler's 12x. But then again, we can't say that Casimero vs Inoue will not face each other in the future. Maybe we have hopes that in the next division, they will have to fight for the belt, so the wait will continue for us boxing fans.

[agustina2]

Yeah right, it's their opinion that we should respect. After all, we do have differences when basing our opinions and
getting the context we can accept that upset is really happening.

But do those Butler fans respect also those people saying that their boxer won't chance a stand against Inoue?

We should not include the word respect here and let those trash talks just come in until Butler fans accept the reality.

Believe me, those Butler fans can't even put money betting on their idol even if the odds are x12. If they are really that dedicated to supporting Butler, they can place a bet even at $1 to show their support.

[AmoreJaz]

Yeah right, it's their opinion that we should respect. After all, we do have differences when basing our opinions and
getting the context we can accept that upset is really happening.

But do those Butler fans respect also those people saying that their boxer won't chance a stand against Inoue?

We should not include the word respect here and let those trash talks just come in until Butler fans accept the reality.

Believe me, those Butler fans can't even put money betting on their idol even if the odds are x12. If they are really that dedicated to supporting Butler, they can place a bet even at $1 to show their support.

now, i am wondering if the OP can create a poll on this thread and let us see who are rooting for butler or inoue? of course, there will always be butler fans. i don't think a certain match will always be all out to the favourite. consider the countrymen of the boxer and you will know that there will always be supporting the underdog. now, it depends on who will place their bet. after all, it is our own prerogative if we will disclose it to the public.

[lienfaye]

Yeah right, it's their opinion that we should respect. After all, we do have differences when basing our opinions and
getting the context we can accept that upset is really happening.

But do those Butler fans respect also those people saying that their boxer won't chance a stand against Inoue?

We should not include the word respect here and let those trash talks just come in until Butler fans accept the reality.

Believe me, those Butler fans can't even put money betting on their idol even if the odds are x12. If they are really that dedicated to supporting Butler, they can place a bet even at $1 to show their support.

now, i am wondering if the OP can create a poll on this thread and let us see who are rooting for butler or inoue? of course, there will always be butler fans. i don't think a certain match will always be all out to the favourite. consider the countrymen of the boxer and you will know that there will always be supporting the underdog. now, it depends on who will place their bet. after all, it is our own prerogative if we will disclose it to the public.

You're right, even Butler is the underdog it doesnt mean fans are all out to Inoue.

Certainly there are people rooting for Butler to win despite of the talks that he stand no chance. I admire his guts to face the monster and though I also believe that Inoue will win, I hope Butler will give us a good fight and not let himself dominated and become a punching bag of a monster.

[Sarah Azhari]

now, i am wondering if the OP can create a poll on this thread and let us see who are rooting for butler or inoue? of course, there will always be butler fans. i don't think a certain match will always be all out to the favourite. consider the countrymen of the boxer and you will know that there will always be supporting the underdog. now, it depends on who will place their bet. after all, it is our own prerogative if we will disclose it to the public.

It's too late to create a pool after a thread was created because this forum can't do that. maybe we can use a third-party tool to filter who is rooting them. I did find that 73 users mentioned Naoya Inoue and 77 users mentioned Paul Butler using the ninja tool, but maybe have wrong because I don't look at the detail.

Seems Paul Butler has better stat than  Naoya Inoue, and Butler's experience is a key to he winning the fight.

[Silberman]

You're right, even Butler is the underdog it doesnt mean fans are all out to Inoue.

Certainly there are people rooting for Butler to win despite of the talks that he stand no chance. I admire his guts to face the monster and though I also believe that Inoue will win, I hope Butler will give us a good fight and not let himself dominated and become a punching bag of a monster.

I think that is what most of us want, even if Butler were to lose against Inoue that is not something to be ashamed as we know how good is Inoue, what we want to see is a good fight, and if Butler is capable of giving us one that could be more than enough to increase his reputation as a boxer, as if we are honest there are very few people which actually believe he has what it is need it to get the win against Inoue, now if he could actually get the win then this would be one of the greatest upsets in the history of boxing we have ever seen.

[Hypnosis00]

Let's measure the success rate by a chance and we can see that on the betting odds once it's out.

Odds are already out I think just a few days or weeks after the official announcement of this fight.

Naoya Inoue @ 1.02
Paul Butler @ 12

Source: https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42925198-inoue-naoya-butler-paul

Although betting options are still limited for an obvious reason that the fight still has months to go.

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.