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September 26, 2022, 07:58:46 AM
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The increasing development of bitcoin makes many banks owners worry, even countries that have full control of the economy choose banned, they think that the decentralization system brought by Bitcoin will damage the national economic order so that they do everything possible to stop Bitcoin.
No, the thing is they are not worried.... they have loads of money to hire the best Crypto currency developers in the world to develop new centralized digital currencies for them.

Take for instance a former Bitcoin developer like Mike Hearn that was a senior software engineer at Google... he left Bitcoin and started to work for a enterprise blockchain builder ...R3. (Corda) ....a platform that was developed specifically to be used by Banks and other centralized financial services.  Roll Eyes
People will always assume the very best for bitcoin but the reality is that we shouldn't be really worried about banks, they will always find a way to get involved. If push comes to shove, they will build their own exchanges, all those big banks that love to get your money do things with it? They will find a way to be like a wallet and an exchange at the same time so that you would store your crypto with them as well. What will they do with it?

I do not know but I am sure that they will find a way and not left behind. People put too much emphasis on how decentralized bitcoin is, and forget that we are not decentralized as humans, so we could just give our money to them if they offer good rates and security, which will be risky.
Without a doubt banks will find a way, we must not forget there was a time in which gold was used as the main currency all around the world, and yet the banks found a way to deceive people into using useless pieces of paper they can create as necessary, so they can always do something similar to bitcoin and deceive people again, they cannot deceive us but we cannot say the same about all the people that have not adopted bitcoin yet and which will do it in the future.
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September 30, 2022, 08:33:38 PM
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Things that make Banks afraid of the development of Bitcoin and Cryptocurrencies because the functions of banks will not be useful, but this is a change that will be difficult to stop, slowly banks will be abandoned and replaced with a blockchain system that makes all controls in the hands of investors.
Banks are not passive players which will just wait until they are replaced by bitcoin and other projects, they also have the ability to change and they will do it if they feel they have the need to do so, right now despite the growth of bitcoin they are not feeling that pressured because most people still use their services, but you can be sure that if at some point in time they begin to fell the pressure then they will change incredibly fast to adapt to the changing conditions.

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September 30, 2022, 09:37:25 PM
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Banks are seriously changing with more and more of them being operated solely online while trying to reduce fees, makes it easy to open and grant users access to there funds as much as they could. Of course this is very necessary in the monetary system of the world and expected too but there will always be one issue and that is, the issue of accepted currency and the issue of centralization.
Yeah, I think we call them pop up banks or something like that over here. Banks like Monzo, and Starling have started to take over really. Those are solely online, and with an app that has to be downloaded onto your phone, which isn't the best of ideas in my opinion. Call me old fashion, but anything that you access online, and has a decent amount of wealth in it, is a terrible idea.

That's why Bitcoin is so popular. You have the option to manage it however you'd like. Whereas when the older fashioned banks catch on to these new banks, they'll likely move to an entirely online platform too. The digital money era is pretty much on us now.
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December 02, 2022, 09:16:25 PM
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The increasing development of bitcoin makes many banks owners worry, even countries that have full control of the economy choose banned, they think that the decentralization system brought by Bitcoin will damage the national economic order so that they do everything possible to stop Bitcoin.
No, the thing is they are not worried.... they have loads of money to hire the best Crypto currency developers in the world to develop new centralized digital currencies for them.

Take for instance a former Bitcoin developer like Mike Hearn that was a senior software engineer at Google... he left Bitcoin and started to work for a enterprise blockchain builder ...R3. (Corda) ....a platform that was developed specifically to be used by Banks and other centralized financial services.  Roll Eyes
People will always assume the very best for bitcoin but the reality is that we shouldn't be really worried about banks, they will always find a way to get involved. If push comes to shove, they will build their own exchanges, all those big banks that love to get your money do things with it? They will find a way to be like a wallet and an exchange at the same time so that you would store your crypto with them as well. What will they do with it?

I do not know but I am sure that they will find a way and not left behind. People put too much emphasis on how decentralized bitcoin is, and forget that we are not decentralized as humans, so we could just give our money to them if they offer good rates and security, which will be risky.

I just came across this thread, and as I was reading through the various comments, I was considering whether I should respond and/or from what angle to attack the issue - because I have some difficulties with a framework that this is an "inevitability of digital" issue or that "bitcoin is not innovating fast enough" issue or a "decentralized is preferred" issue or even a "crypto currency revolution" issue.

So, in some sense, I don't even know how I want to frame the matter of to attack the matter except to restate some of the obvious in regards to bitcoin having had created a paradigm shifting invention in which people, institutions and goverments can choose to build on it or try to compete with it or can just try to take some detached stance, and bitcoin gives no shits.  

Sure, since 2008/2009 (and maybe even before that) there are already people who are already choosing to build on bitcoin and get involved in bitcoin, and surely the earliest days of bitcoin's being announced in 2008 or going active in early 2009, there were some people who already had been working in various related fields and felt that they could fairly easily identify with it (including the fact that they were in circles in which they actually heard about it and it resonated with them)... there are degrees of resonation for sure, and some people, institutions and governments find ways to work with bitcoin more than others at an earlier time than others, and it seems to me that the more that these actors get involved with bitcoin then the more than they are likely to advantage from such involvement.  

The same is true with banks, and some of them will try to figure out ways to incorporate bitcoin into their business or build upon bitcoin (without overdoing it), and so yeah with Gresham's law value is going to continue to flow into bitcoin, and there are going to be some players (institutions such as bank and otherwise) who are well positioned 4-10 years down the road and some who might be just getting started 40-50 years down the road.. or maybe they dabbled earlier (and somehow still were able to survived) but 40 years later figured out that they need to innovate.. or maybe they got involved with a variety of shitcoins, and realized later that they were not really building on value .. but engaged in serial gambling and somehow (perhaps by miracle) had not totally reckt themselves over the years.

So yeah. there will be degrees of how connected folks incorporate bitcoin into their lives in terms of finances, time and psychology, including the extent to which some participants in this thread sound like they are a wee bit distracted in their keeping on saying "crypto" in their framing of how they believe that banks should consider incorporating bitcoin into their banking services.. as if some members here do not seem to know the difference between bitcoin and shitcoins, and the same is going to continue to be true with the public at large including institutions (such as banks) and governments, and seems to me that those folks who engage in "crypto thinking" are less likely to "make it" or to be focused, but surely some of those shitcoiners (or variants of shitcoiners) will still survive through their gambling and lack of focus, and some of those shitcoiners who fail refuse to build on bitcoin will still be able to make it in some kind of way that they might believe works for them and/or their situation, and some of them will likely try to be overly creative rather than figuring out ways to be prudent and reasonable by focusing and building on bitcoin ... Some will get recked and some will still survive whether they discover bitcoin or not and whether they build on bitcoin or not.  

There are likely going to continue to exist a lot of value systems in the world in which people, institutions and governments are going to be able to build upon, and likely Gresham's law will continue to gravitate the built value upon the soundest of systems and the soundest of foundational monies, which many of us (some of us more than others) already recognize and appreciate to be bitcoin.

It seems to me that there are going to be some people who are more ready, willing and able to take care of larger portions of financial aspects of their lives, and some of the apps are likely to become more and more user-friendly with the passage of time (but there still will likely be ongoing confusion about a lot of these matters), and there are still going to be business that want to provide services to people and I doubt that banks are going to completely disappear in terms of the need to offer various kinds of financial services - whether or not the dollar disappears which surely does seem likely that the dollar will disappear sooner or later, even if that disappearance of the dollar could happen in 5-10 years from now, but it could possibly take 50-100 years for the dollar to disappear.. .

It is not easy to know these kinds of dynamics in regards to the future because even with bitcoin there are human interaction and human preferences at play..

Bitcoin is not completely decentralized and turing complete.. would we even want that?  Are we all bots?  

There are likely going to continue to be human interactions and human preferences that motivate bitcoin's direction, even if bitcoin might be the most decentralized of secure value transmission and storage systems that have existed to date... but even the ongoing security and other features of bitcoin likely require some degree of human interaction and even acceptance of human preferences... even if a decent amount of bitcoin's value seems to come from the difficulties in changing aspects of bitcoin.. but I would think that we would want to be able to change bitcoin if it were clearly and unambiguously determined that bitcoin had started to eat babies, for example (just a hypothetical.. I don't have evil thoughts)... but yeah, some people will try to make things up in regards to what bitcoin is doing that is not true.. so we are likely going to continue to have some of those kinds of value judgments that could end up coopting bitcoin if aspects of bitcoin are able to be changed due to hard and cold facts... or just that people come to believe certain matters to justify changes to bitcoin (I am not even trying to imply that bitcoin is easy to change, but that it can be changed if there were some kind of human preference need rather than just having a robot (ie bitcoin) to tell us what we can do)

Banks take advantage of the inability of their customers to store their savings and offer them services on that basis. As long as bank users are ignorant of the ways in which they can save and use their savings independently, banks will maintain their vital and active role. Bitcoin represents a solution capable of canceling the banking philosophy, but it remains technically complex and not accessible to everyone, so it is required to develop its mechanisms to deal with users with limited technical ability .
Lets just accept the fact that there are people whom do really stick out on traditional banking system or simply with those traditional things that they've been dealing since from the start and wont really be welcoming
for any changes or innovations around.There might be some considerations or usage but not on the essence that they would be completely changing up their ways on to those transactions.
Bitcoin does have that market which do serves out its purpose for those who do value much about anonymity and decentralization.It doesnt really need up that kind of changing
because it is really just enough on the features that it does currently have.
This is key, even if bitcoin is a great innovation in the field of money many people are simply not going to be able to adapt to it, they're going to see in bitcoin and its inability to chargeback transactions something they don't like, after all this is a safety net for them and if they happen to make a mistake they can always call their bank to help, in bitcoin this isn't possible, if you get hacked or you make a mistake those coins are basically lost, so we'll need a generational change so people aren't as used to those protections and people are able to accept the paradigm shift of being their own banks.

I think so too.. I think that there will likely ongoingly be needs for some handholding at various stages in the ways that people interact with financial systems, and whether we call them banks or we call them something else, it is likely that people will be willing to pay for such hand-holding services in regards to some aspects of their financial management.. and surely some people will need more handholding than others at various stages in their lives and also possibly depending on what kinds of financial considerations they might be juggling or be needing to consider (whether they know it or not).

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December 04, 2022, 09:08:57 PM
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Crypto currency should take a control over the bank.Crypto currency was adopted by most of the people around the world.So all the people had the crypto currency as like the dollars.So it’s right time to have some adoption of crypto currency by the bank.Unless bank take the control of the crypto currency,the crypto currency take over the bank.
Many banks have realized that the analog era of banking is getting off that is why there are many online banks now that do not have physical branches and they are operating well spending lesser funds to pay staffs and workers.
 Since we are in the cashless policy so we are going to be experiencing digital transactions throughout just like taking some cryptocurrency transactions.

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December 04, 2022, 11:05:40 PM
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Changing according to the need of the people is a must that needs to be followed. Banks are in its transformation phase. Some even tried to make advancement using blockchain technology. In different ways the change is happening around. Banks have experienced the highest growth over the years. We don't know whether this is out of the changes or happening out of the market situation. At some point soon we can expect majority of the banks to function together with bitcoin.

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I dont see any major changes in banking sector nowadays. From banks, I only get notifications that my account monthly fee will be higher, and changes of plastic card limits. I understand that every bank in every country is different, but except an option to buy car insurance, I cant remember nothing innovative during last 5 years. As to Bitcoin, what new can it innovate? We are only waiting for mass adoption and that is it.

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I dont see any major changes in banking sector nowadays. From banks, I only get notifications that my account monthly fee will be higher, and changes of plastic card limits. I understand that every bank in every country is different, but except an option to buy car insurance, I cant remember nothing innovative during last 5 years. As to Bitcoin, what new can it innovate? We are only waiting for mass adoption and that is it.

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Why do people rob banks? As bank robber Willie Sutton said, "Because the money is there."

Bitcoin itself is a technological innovation. Bitcoin is the first application of the underlying technology of the blockchain. It is not too much to say that robbers need to understand hacking techniques in the future.

Yes... hacking is a new business that has been around before bitcoin, and has been becoming increasingly popular and innovative - even though sometimes the hackers do end up getting caught, too.

Regarding your point about bitcoin being "the first application" upon bitcoin (though you used that dumbass term, blockchain), yes, bitcoin is the first application upon bitcoin, but blockchain is largely a nonsensical term, except if we are considering various ways to scam people.. so yes.. I suppose in that way you are correct to suggest that the mere use and conceptualization regarding what is happening around bitcoin to be "blockchain" is a kind of social hack that is likely to be lucrative for generations to come (what is a generation ?  maybe 20 years?).. so yeah.. probably blockchain is going to continue to serve as a lucrative social hack for at least a couple more generations, until people realize that they should be building upon bitcoin.. rather than risking being socially hacked and/or rug pulled.. whether deliberately, or through negligence, greed, dumbness or otherwise..

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Banks take advantage of the inability of their customers to store their savings and offer them services on that basis. As long as bank users are ignorant of the ways in which they can save and use their savings independently, banks will maintain their vital and active role. Bitcoin represents a solution capable of canceling the banking philosophy, but it remains technically complex and not accessible to everyone, so it is required to develop its mechanisms to deal with users with limited technical ability .
Lets just accept the fact that there are people whom do really stick out on traditional banking system or simply with those traditional things that they've been dealing since from the start and wont really be welcoming
for any changes or innovations around.There might be some considerations or usage but not on the essence that they would be completely changing up their ways on to those transactions.
Bitcoin does have that market which do serves out its purpose for those who do value much about anonymity and decentralization.It doesnt really need up that kind of changing
because it is really just enough on the features that it does currently have.
This is key, even if bitcoin is a great innovation in the field of money many people are simply not going to be able to adapt to it, they're going to see in bitcoin and its inability to chargeback transactions something they don't like, after all this is a safety net for them and if they happen to make a mistake they can always call their bank to help, in bitcoin this isn't possible, if you get hacked or you make a mistake those coins are basically lost, so we'll need a generational change so people aren't as used to those protections and people are able to accept the paradigm shift of being their own banks.

I think so too.. I think that there will likely ongoingly be needs for some handholding at various stages in the ways that people interact with financial systems, and whether we call them banks or we call them something else, it is likely that people will be willing to pay for such hand-holding services in regards to some aspects of their financial management.. and surely some people will need more handholding than others at various stages in their lives and also possibly depending on what kinds of financial considerations they might be juggling or be needing to consider (whether they know it or not).
I've always been trying to find some kind of logical way out of what's going on. And with certainty that people will not stop doing this in a world that controls all its joints by central powers, they will always need a trustworthy party to keep their money, so I advised them that they can to some extent trust some of these services if you live in a system that legalizes the use of crypto And it gives you the right to litigation in the event of any unexpected problems. As for those who work in secret, away from the eyes of the authorities, they are forced to take responsibility for keeping their money.
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The unique Bitcoin concept makes Bank worried that the number of users continues to increase, and is proven that at this time the Bitcoin Marketcap continues to increase and many countries have legalized Bitcoin so I'm sure the next 10 years the user will be easier for Bitcoin transactions directly.

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December 10, 2022, 08:16:19 AM
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The unique Bitcoin concept makes Bank worried that the number of users continues to increase, and is proven that at this time the Bitcoin Marketcap continues to increase and many countries have legalized Bitcoin so I'm sure the next 10 years the user will be easier for Bitcoin transactions directly.
Banks are actually not that afraid of the presence of Bitcoin in society because Bitcoin is not an asset or currency that anyone who knows it very well needs to be afraid of. Because the Bank itself can also buy and own Bitcoin as is done by people in general, but in terms of using Bitcoin there are more and more at this time.

The thing that the Bank is most afraid of is the loss of old Bank customers and the lack of interest in saving at the Bank for new customers, so that the Bank has no income from its own customers unless the Bank can create its own money before distributing it to the public.
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December 12, 2022, 02:02:46 AM
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Bank is a great economic power, we cannot compare marketcap Bitcoin vs Banks, even many banks are a place for money laundering so they keep transactions, they see that bitcoin is not a threat because the many countries that are banned and users are very easily feared because prices can drop significantly because prices can drop significantly because prices can drop significant.



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December 13, 2022, 07:51:06 AM
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Changing according to the need of the people is a must that needs to be followed. Banks are in its transformation phase. Some even tried to make advancement using blockchain technology. In different ways the change is happening around. Banks have experienced the highest growth over the years. We don't know whether this is out of the changes or happening out of the market situation. At some point soon we can expect majority of the banks to function together with bitcoin.


Banks certainly have good resources to always transform, but banks must also be subject to government regulations, when banks try to use blockchain technology and the government does not allow the bank to obey the government, and this is for the good and security of customers.

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