Crypt0S0ul is spamming out the reputation sub...

[darewaller]

Yahoo suggested not to have a new topic for every group they suspect but seems they never listen and just started another topic today.

You also don't need a separate thread for each group you are finding as alts. Make a thread like Timelords or report in his thread. No need to make 1000 different threads.

And, spamming on my trust page.
I do not know how non-alt accounts enrolling a same campaign can be unethical.

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[Little Mouse]

I would also recommend him to keep everything in one thread but you can't exactly call them spam. It’s okay to create different thread for different cases.

Regarding the feedback on your profile, if they aren’t true, you can argue on thread with facts and proofs(did you, I haven’t checked yet). It’s a tag based on his finding and it's neutral. I don't think you should also create a thread for this instead of having the issue solved in PM.

[yahoo62278]

Yahoo suggested not to have a new topic for every group they suspect but seems they never listen and just started another topic today.

You also don't need a separate thread for each group you are finding as alts. Make a thread like Timelords or report in his thread. No need to make 1000 different threads.

And, spamming on my trust page.
I do not know how non-alt accounts enrolling a same campaign can be unethical.

Trust is not moderated and its neutral so it's not really a big deal. I am not a fan of the guy making multiple threads myself, but it is his right. Try to pm him and work it out. Making threads on each other isn't gonna solve anything.

[DireWolfM14]

Crypt0S0ul is a product of our own mistakes as a community.  Many established members have taken to rewarding "Alt Hunters" simply for connecting alts with the most circumstantial of evidence.  Regardless of whether the alts are breaking rules or not, some members shower the Alt-Hunters with merits and attention just for linking accounts to each other.

Crypt0S0ul is just the latest (probably an alt account in it's own right,) to take advantage of the situation in an attempt to rank up.  Next thing you know, some DT1 member will add Crypt0S0ul to his trust list, making him DT2.  It wouldn't be the first time.

So, I'll ask a question to those established members who reward this kind of behavior; what value do these Alt Hunters actually add to the forum?

[16xypjnxlrew]

Crypt0S0ul is a product of our own mistakes as a community.  Many established members have taken to rewarding "Alt Hunters" simply for connecting alts with the most circumstantial of evidence.  Regardless of whether the alts are breaking rules or not, some members shower the Alt-Hunters with merits and attention just for linking accounts to each other.

Crypt0S0ul is just the latest (probably an alt account in it's own right,) to take advantage of the situation in an attempt to rank up.  Next thing you know, some DT1 member will add Crypt0S0ul to his trust list, making him DT2.  It wouldn't be the first time.

So, I'll ask a question to those established members who reward this kind of behavior; what value do these Alt Hunters actually add to the forum?

What you're hinting? Do you want to be rewarded too for discovering a second Chahan account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410602.msg60791269#msg60791269), or for hunting down mythical non-existent scams?

So, I'm asking you a question, what value do you bring to the forum with these searches?

[JeromeTash]

And, spamming on my trust page.
I do not know how non-alt accounts enrolling a same campaign can be unethical.

Why not try and defend yourself if what is said about your account is not correct. In the other thread, you didn't even bother to say anything.

If you feel a user is spamming, you could also report their posts and the mods decided whether to delete or not

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Crypt0S0ul is a product of our own mistakes as a community.  Many established members have taken to rewarding "Alt Hunters" simply for connecting alts with the most circumstantial of evidence.  Regardless of whether the alts are breaking rules or not, some members shower the Alt-Hunters with merits and attention just for linking accounts to each other.

Crypt0S0ul is just the latest (probably an alt account in it's own right,) to take advantage of the situation in an attempt to rank up.  Next thing you know, some DT1 member will add Crypt0S0ul to his trust list, making him DT2.  It wouldn't be the first time.

So, I'll ask a question to those established members who reward this kind of behavior; what value do these Alt Hunters actually add to the forum?

Let's add more.
Scam busting. It seems to be a profession since the merit system started. Very easy way to climb on the DT network.
Tutorial. I have not seen so many tutors in the forum before 2018. I used to be in Beginners & Help section but these days I occasionally visit there.
Then there are translators of course. A great invention was copying local websites and translate them to English or copying English websites and then translate them to local language. People did that and they have done well before it was noticed by others.

Anyway, one thing forum users realized that they have to do something to rank up.

What you're hinting? Do you want to be rewarded too for discovering a second Chahan account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410602.msg60791269#msg60791269), or for hunting down mythical non-existent scams?

So, I'm asking you a question, what value do you bring to the forum with these searches?

Please stop. You don't care about the forum but yourself.

Yahoo suggested not to have a new topic for every group they suspect but seems they never listen and just started another topic today.

It's okay the forum rule don't stop them doing. Of course they need more views to get some more merit.

[yahoo62278]

Crypt0S0ul is a product of our own mistakes as a community.  Many established members have taken to rewarding "Alt Hunters" simply for connecting alts with the most circumstantial of evidence.  Regardless of whether the alts are breaking rules or not, some members shower the Alt-Hunters with merits and attention just for linking accounts to each other.

Crypt0S0ul is just the latest (probably an alt account in it's own right,) to take advantage of the situation in an attempt to rank up.  Next thing you know, some DT1 member will add Crypt0S0ul to his trust list, making him DT2.  It wouldn't be the first time.

So, I'll ask a question to those established members who reward this kind of behavior; what value do these Alt Hunters actually add to the forum?

I like when a campaign cheater is exposed but I feel like some go to the extreme to expose some users and try to gain a fast reputation normally pulling the trigger a little too fast in some cases and coming close to ruining some members reputation.

[Z-tight]

What you're hinting? Do you want to be rewarded too for discovering a second Chahan account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410602.msg60791269#msg60791269), or for hunting down mythical non-existent scams?

So, I'm asking you a question, what value do you bring to the forum with these searches?

There is a great difference between informing the community about scam and scammers, and continually trying to link alts, without proof, and even when the said alts haven't broken any forum rules. With exposing scammers you are saving forum members their money, and warning them to be careful so they will not lose money, as for linking alts, it may not be a bad thing if you have strong evidence that they are cheating, but to continually link alts without evidence, and without them being responsible for breaking any rule, may be ruining member's reputation when they haven't done wrong, and the 'alt hunter' is not being helpful that way at all. Though going by DireWolfM's post history, it goes without saying that he is not a 'scam hunter'.

Why not try and defend yourself if what is said about your account is not correct. In the other thread, you didn't even bother to say anything.

If the evidence is strong enough, then will the accused person even have to defend themselves before action against them is taken? But if the reports have so much doubts, and the evidence is weak and still needing the accused to defend themselves, then should the report ever have happened. I feel people can decide whether they want to talk about someone's accusations against them, or if they want to ignore it and do other better things with their time in the forum.

[16xypjnxlrew]

I like when a campaign cheater is exposed but I feel like some go to the extreme to expose some users and try to gain a fast reputation normally pulling the trigger a little too fast in some cases and coming close to ruining some members reputation.

This is exactly what DireWolfM14 and his "friends" are doing, accusing everyone of scam, including accusing me of non-existent scam (it turns out that a token exchange with a detailed description is considered a scam)

[yahoo62278]

I like when a campaign cheater is exposed but I feel like some go to the extreme to expose some users and try to gain a fast reputation normally pulling the trigger a little too fast in some cases and coming close to ruining some members reputation.

This is exactly what DireWolfM14 and his "friends" are doing, accusing everyone of scam, including accusing me of non-existent scam (it turns out that a token exchange with a detailed description is considered a scam)

Are you trolling here? You clearly tried to take advantage of users who might not have known any better with your little exchange. Maybe you're not a scammer per se, but you're definitely a scumbag for trying to screw users over if they had engaged in a trade with you.

[16xypjnxlrew]

Are you trolling here? You clearly tried to take advantage of users who might not have known any better with your little exchange. Maybe you're not a scammer per se, but you're definitely a scumbag for trying to screw users over if they had engaged in a trade with you.

With such detailed exchange conditions, it is probably impossible to deceive a child, let alone an experienced forum member who knows how to use cryptocurrency, trading

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Many established members have taken to rewarding "Alt Hunters" simply for connecting alts with the most circumstantial of evidence.

Yeah, I don't think I was the worst offender but I definitely stopped doing that recently after hearing what Timelord2067 had to say about it with respect to his local rule on merit-giving in the known alts thread.  I think it's a silly local rule, but his point was taken.

I'm not sure that's the reason, though.  I always thought when I saw an alt hunter who was very low ranked that they were just trying to build a reputation, because those members have existed for years and before the merit system even began (I'm pretty sure).

In any case, with the departure of a few old-time DT members who used to feverishly tag every offender of everything everywhere, there seems to be a sort of "meh" attitude toward bounty cheaters as of late.  Or it could simply be that over time people realized that sniffing them out and tagging them doesn't do much good and isn't really worth the effort.

Are you trolling here?

Yo, that dude's insane in the membrane.  Try starving him into silence.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I would also suggest keeping everything on one topic. However, Crypt0S0ul is most likely trying to create a new drama each time, but his evidence is frequently insufficient.
Linking alternate accounts seems like a good thing to do when you have free time, but yes, it's more and more of a waste of time as the forum doesn't prohibit new accounts from being opened after one of the alternate accounts are tagged.
I wonder if we changed our actions and started tagging former cheaters, would we reduce the number of new alternatives? Since each new "old" account does not even think about how to change or prevent in the future the possibility of linking according to the past data that has already been revealed. Since it takes some time to create new social accounts and promote them, we may have scared away those who want to create new accounts on the forum so easily.

[_BlackStar]

I would also suggest keeping everything on one topic. However, Crypt0S0ul is most likely trying to create a new drama each time, but his evidence is frequently insufficient.

I think this is the purpose of AnotherAlt posting and exposing scams or cheaters with this account, you should read this one from the comments.

I use this account to say controversial things.

Linking alternate accounts seems like a good thing to do when you have free time, but yes, it's more and more of a waste of time as the forum doesn't prohibit new accounts from being opened after one of the alternate accounts are tagged.
I wonder if we changed our actions and started tagging former cheaters, would we reduce the number of new alternatives? Since each new "old" account does not even think about how to change or prevent in the future the possibility of linking according to the past data that has already been revealed. Since it takes some time to create new social accounts and promote them, we may have scared away those who want to create new accounts on the forum so easily.

I noticed that the more we expose cheaters, the better they are at hiding behind all their accounts. Look at how many thousands of newbie accounts have been caught because cheats bounty, but nothing will stop them from creating new accounts after the old ones are tagged. They can easily change their social media account username, it will be used to work with other accounts.

In my opinion, if the forum adjusted the rules about only full rank members being able to join the bounty then I'm sure less cheaters would be caught. This will obviously force every newbie to post something quality to rank up to full members and each and every one of them will no longer be able to go straight to the forum just to spam their social media with a new altcoin project.

[Crypt0S0ul]

I do not deny anything already discussed in this thread. I accept all the blame given by everyone. The Community created me. You always see me creating drama with this account because I use this account only whenever I feel it's controversial. All things mentioned in this thread are not my intention. Of course, I want to rank up and I believe everyone else wants to rank up too.

One thing I want to say; You always won't be correct. If you believe you are 100% right and you don't do mistakes. I would say you are not human or maybe you are superhuman. I am not worried about my accuracy, one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports. That was from Report Page 😜. I was thinking to be more careful and do more research before saying something. But, look like everyone wants me to Shut the fuck off.

[_BlackStar]

I am not worried about my accuracy, one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports. That was from Report Page 😜. I was thinking to be more careful and do more research before saying something. But, look like everyone wants me to Shut the fuck off.

Yes, that's about accuracy of the spam post you report and it is never same as any account that you expose inaccurately due to cheat ^{[if any].} Reporting spammer to moderator is actually much more valuable than having to dig deep into an account you suspect is cheaters ^{[even if it's worth it].} I can even say I will be very careful now because it concerns the reputation of other users.

I've reported 2K more posts with 100% accuracy, so I guess it should be a useful contribution to the forum in an effort to reduce spam posts. But you don't have to be an asshole just because you want to help the forum catch scammers or cheaters, just do what you want as long as it's true and doesn't create drama and never gives the impression to established members that your contributions are meaningless. Don't give the impression that you want to earn merit and want to become DT member just because catching scammers and cheaters.

[LoyceV]

And, spamming on my trust page.

One neutral tag isn't spamming.

So, I'll ask a question to those established members who reward this kind of behavior; what value do these Alt Hunters actually add to the forum?

As long as they're bounty spammers, it adds nothing. It's only useful if they have for instance 3 accounts in one high paying campaign.
Then again, maybe I'm not the one you were talking to

If you believe you are 100% right and you don't do mistakes. I would say you are not human

I am human

[Crypt0S0ul]

I can even say I will be very careful now because it concerns the reputation of other users.

The same thing I also thought after I got a PM from a reputed member. No, I don't want to be an asshole. If you see my last thread, I just gathered some information and asked the community if it's sufficient or not. Because it was suspicious to me, and I wanted to report it. But, before reporting, I was trying to make sure I was right or not. That's why My thread title has a (?) Question mark.

[DireWolfM14]

You always see me creating drama with this account because I use this account only whenever I feel it's controversial.

Well, that's a problem, in my opinion.  If you aren't confident enough to post an accusation from your main account, why post it from an alt?  I'm not suggesting you only post accusations from your main account, I value everyone's privacy and encourage people to use alts if they have a specific privacy need for one.  There are plenty of legitimate reasons to use alts, and exposing cheaters is a valid one.  But at least use the "would I post this from my main account" measuring stick to consider whether a post is worth publishing.

As LoyceV alluded to; countless threads about exposed bounty cheaters who are relegated to the armpit of the forum anyway, is pointless.  If they're spamming, report them to the bounty manager and the mods.  If there's a legitimate abuse of a forum rule or signature campaign, and you're confident in your findings, you shouldn't even feel the need to use an alt.  The example LoyceV provided is absolutely perfect.  Uncle nutildah didn't need an alt to expose the figmentofmyass farm.  That farm included DT1 members and popularity among other high ranking members of the forum.  There was a very real risk of retaliation against nutildah for what he was posting, but did that scare him into hiding behind an alt?  No, because he was 100% confident in the evidence he was presenting to the forum.

So, I'll ask a question to those established members who reward this kind of behavior; what value do these Alt Hunters actually add to the forum?

Then again, maybe I'm not the one you were talking to

I posed the question rhetorically, I don't need or want any one to answer.  And I certainly don't want to call anyone out, as I'm not claiming innocence myself.  I posed the question to get us all think about the ways the forum has evolved over the last few years, and whether some of the changes are necessarily good just because they may appear that way on the surface.