[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Heavyweight Battle of Britain - FURY vs JOSHUA

[JollyGood]

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FURY
vs
JOSHUA

THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN
HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING

Usyk has announced he will not be fighting again this year even though Fury and his team were desperate for the fight to go ahead therefore Fury has made an open challenge via the media to Joshua challenging him to the Battle of Britain fight and putting his belts on the line while Joshua has zero belts.

If Joshua accepts and this fight goes ahead, what will will the outcome be and will it shape the future of boxing for years to come?

Fury is furious because he wants to get Usyk in the ring but has openly invited Joshua to take up the challenge because he made it clear he is not looking to retire just yet. He wants to get the fight confirmed to take place within 3-4 months by telling Joshua in typical Fury fashion "Let me know if you are interested" 

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[Oshosondy]

What I read on news after Oleksandr Usyk won Anthony Joshua the second time is that the next person he is fighting is the heavyweight champion, Tyson Fury. But I am surprised that he does not want to fight with Fury this year, likely because he knows the kind of strength and power Fury has and have to prepare ahead. But with the look of things, no boxer can stand Fury, I may be wrong, but we would see  by next year.

Let us see what Anthony Joshua would say about this, but if a match is organized between them both, Fury would likely win.

If Joshua accepts and this fight goes ahead, what will will the outcome be and will it shape the future of boxing for years to come?

Fury will likely win, he is definitely stronger in my opinion, while Fury versus Usyk would be next year.

[OgNasty]

Fury always seems to find a way to win. His unique size/length matched with his unnatural ability to react within a split second makes him a dangerous opponent. I always think he’s going to lose but he never seems to. I assume this fight will be more of the same for him.

[fortunecrypto]

We all thought he was going to stay retire if he cannot get that 500 million pounds, it seems Fury still wants to continue fighting and he picked the right opponent to dare him to fight, Joshua for his part accepted the challenge

Joshua accepted a fight with Fury - if terms can be agreed. "Yea calm. I don’t do the online discussions just for clout, so if you really about it shout 258 Management. I’ll be ready in December," he said.

Anthony Joshua accepts Tyson Fury fight after call-out from British rival

This is a very risky fight for Joshua because he is coming from a loss and he can't afford a third one as it will put him way below the all-time heavyweight greats, but this is the fight that we have all waited it should have happened years ago but so many things happened to come to this.

[coin-investor]

Years ago when they planned this fight Joshua is the holder of 4 belts and Fury had just come out of retirement but now the table is turned Fury is the champion and Joshua just suffered three losses and yet Fury calls out Joshua to make this fight happen,  the world has this wished to happen years ago, the situation is very much different but the pride and motivation of both guys to be the greatest British heavyweight champion is still there and hopefully, it will finally happen.

[Rruchi man]

Fury has made an open challenge via the media to Joshua challenging him to the Battle of Britain fight and putting his belts on the line while Joshua has zero belts.

Joshua reacted saying fury was just clout chasing on social media and should go through the proper channel.

If Joshua accepts and this fight goes ahead, what will will the outcome be and will it shape the future of boxing for years to come?

If I were Joshua, I would avoid fighting for the time being since I just came out of two successive defeats from Usyk, and especially not be in a hurry to fight against Fury who is at the moment more better than him in boxing. If AJ goes ahead to accept the fight as he also mentioned that he will be ready to fight in December, another defeat may just further send his career to bed.

[fortunecrypto]

I just stumbled upon this article in my social feed for the fight to push through the WBC must implement a special designated for a WBC title challenge with Tyson Fury, the good news is they will allow Joshua to challenge Fury under their special rule, this is surprising they want the fight to push through even to the extend of giving special designation to Joshua this is an extraordinary decision by WBC and the boxing community must thank WBC for this.

Explained: Special WBC title sanction needed for unrated Anthony Joshua

Former heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua needs to get a special designated for a WBC title challenge with Tyson Fury for reasons twofold.
The first is that Joshua is unrated by the World Boxing Council due to fighting under three other sanctioning bodies for the past six years.
Any boxer fighting under the WBA, WBO, or IBF automatically gets removed by the WBC Ratings Committee.

[yazher]

Joshua cannot decline this good offer because this will bring lots of money and they needed it both, no matter what these two boxers had gone through, their fight will be a blockbuster hit this year. That was honestly a generous offer from Fury, Joshua cannot ask more than this after losing to Usyk. Well, anything can also happen with this fight and maybe Joshua has some skills and surprising technique to beat Fury. Who knows right? but Fury is pretty confident that he can easily beat Joshua that's why he calls him to fight this year.

[TopTort777]

I cant believe that I am reading this. For it looks like Fury is planning to have another well paid buy easy fight. Who is Joshua now ? A guy with no belts and two straight losses. Fury got his last real fight in 2021, and before that, only in 2020. I dont think that Whyte was a real thread to Fury. Same will be Joshua. Strong and straightforward boxer. Joshua is not ready right now to fight boxer of such a high level. If this fight really happens, I would be very disappointed, as this might be an easy fight for Fury, not the fight fans wants to see and Fury might really retire after it.

[Yaunfitda]

I voted for Tyson Fury to win, maybe he will score a knock out over Joshua here. Seems Anthony is very desperate right now so I wouldn't be surprised that after Fury smashes him and floored him worst that he did to Wilder, AJ might call it quits. Hard to see how can he overcome the technical skills of Tyson. He had problems with Usyk, so this could be worst for him, I reckon.

[Baofeng]

Right, Fury said that he has retired, and then he will come out of retirement for 500 million and will fight Usyk. But since Usyk wanted it at a later time, he now goes with his domestic rival who just lost. Just really hard to piece everything together. And if AJ take the bait, he is not mentally ready. Anyhow, if the money is right then I guess they can go and fight this December.

[Questat]

If Fury vs Usyk will not happen, then I guess this is a better replacement, they were supposed to fight before but Joshua lose to Usyk that's why it didn't happen. I still like this one though, it's like a Fury vs Wilder fight but I'm sure Fury will have no problem knocking out Joshua knowing how soft he is compared to Wilder.

[JollyGood]

Fury always seems to find a way to win. His unique size/length matched with his unnatural ability to react within a split second makes him a dangerous opponent. I always think he’s going to lose but he never seems to. I assume this fight will be more of the same for him.

That is true about Fury. Somehow, he finds a way to win even if it goes to as points decision (with exception of the dubious draw against Wilder in their first fight).

The way he outmuscled Wilder, the way he sued his weight to lean on him and tire him out is another tool he has at his disposal. If it goes ahead I cannot see Joshua winning.

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I voted for Tyson Fury to win, maybe he will score a knock out over Joshua here. Seems Anthony is very desperate right now so I wouldn't be surprised that after Fury smashes him and floored him worst that he did to Wilder, AJ might call it quits. Hard to see how can he overcome the technical skills of Tyson. He had problems with Usyk, so this could be worst for him, I reckon.

Currently the poll has 8 votes and they are all in favour of Fury to defeat Joshua if the fight goes ahead therefore you are not alone  

[TopTort777]

Currently the poll has 8 votes and they are all in favour of Fury to defeat Joshua if the fight goes ahead therefore you are not alone  

Did you expected different poll results ? I dont know who will vote for Joshua. Only kids or so called "couch experts", that are inspired by record numbers (which are not great right now) and YouTube highlights ? What we know about current Joshua ? 2-3 in last five fights. Wins over about to retire Pulev and a revanche against snickers boy? Mental instability. Fury would break and eat Joshua on first press conference with his trash talk and then we will see an interpretation of "you are not strong dont look athletic, how did you beat me?"

[btc_angela]

If Fury vs Usyk will not happen, then I guess this is a better replacement, they were supposed to fight before but Joshua lose to Usyk that's why it didn't happen. I still like this one though, it's like a Fury vs Wilder fight but I'm sure Fury will have no problem knocking out Joshua knowing how soft he is compared to Wilder.

Maybe Fury is already looking at it as Usyk might not be available at the end of the year, which Fury wanted to fight. So he calls Joshua for a fight.

And if Fury wins, (most likely by the looks of the vote and AJ's mental state and Fury's psyche war), then he can go after Usyk next year for all the belts and the title of the best HW of this generations.

[Boristhecat]

Seeing that I'm the first one to vote for AJ, hehe. Fury is the favorite, but if the odds of AJ winning are more than 10, then I will bet on him. I am an optimist and do not want to believe that this will be just a dull fight where the favorite will defeat a boxer who has already lost 3 fights out of four before this meeting. There must be some intrigue. And in general, Fury's victory will not be beneficial to anyone - AJ will have to finish with boxing (three defeats in a row) and Fury will get a victory over the one whom Usyk defeated twice, this is hardly a valuable achievement.

[pakhitheboss]

I am sure if this match happens then Tyson Fury will win it. Just check his past records he has defeated some of the known names. What I am surprised about is that why him? I was expecting a fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk. I am not sure what might be the reason for him to challenge someone who is weaker than him. Is it money or does he wants to create a buzz?

[hilariousetc]

Hearn has said he's accepted the offer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaL7pwVjjAA

But he's still rightfully sceptical that this isn't just some mind games or a way to grab more money for a Usyk fight. Looks like Frank Warren has the Millennium stadium reserved already so they could use that but he probably already had that for a Fury to fight some bum and that will likely still happen if the fight falls through. Until the contracts get signed then I wouldn't get too exited because it's going to be a squeeze to get a fight of this magnitude sorted in time. Either way, I'm sure we'll find out soon because even if they don't fight each other they'll be fighting someone else and will have to start promoting those matches.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Fury has made an open challenge via the media to Joshua challenging him to the Battle of Britain fight and putting his belts on the line while Joshua has zero belts.

Joshua reacted saying fury was just clout chasing on social media and should go through the proper channel.

If Joshua accepts and this fight goes ahead, what will will the outcome be and will it shape the future of boxing for years to come?

If I were Joshua, I would avoid fighting for the time being since I just came out of two successive defeats from Usyk, and especially not be in a hurry to fight against Fury who is at the moment more better than him in boxing. If AJ goes ahead to accept the fight as he also mentioned that he will be ready to fight in December, another defeat may just further send his career to bed.

If only AJ could hear this advice and heed to not fight Fury, I will call him wise. It is going to be bad if he, having lost his previous fight and the one before that, has to loose again. Fury should pick on someone else, unless he is just looking for media attention.

[aioc]

Hearn has said he's accepted the offer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaL7pwVjjAA

It's very long but the bottom line is Joshua is the boss and he'll take the challenge, it may be a very risky fight but can Joshua say no to this kind of opportunity because of pride, it's a make or break for him, and if he is disappointed losing against Usyk I wonder what will be his mental health if ever he loses against Fury but AJ hopefully knows what's he's doing, I will not advise him to take the fight, and somebody close to him should advise him strongly Hearns is a promoter who just wants to make money, he can ruin his investment on Joshua

But he's still rightfully sceptical that this isn't just some mind games or a way to grab more money for a Usyk fight. Looks like Frank Warren has the Millennium stadium reserved already so they could use that but he probably already had that for a Fury to fight some bum and that will likely still happen if the fight falls through. Until the contracts get signed then I wouldn't get too exited because it's going to be a squeeze to get a fight of this magnitude sorted in time. Either way, I'm sure we'll find out soon because even if they don't fight each other they'll be fighting someone else and will have to start promoting those matches.

There's been so much hype in the past between Fury and Joshua and this could be one of that hype but it did not eventually push, I would also not get excited that this fight will eventually happen until there is a contract signed, Joshua's situation is very fragile he needs to gather his spirit and he can do that by fighting fighters that are easy to beat then ask for bigger fights, that were the initial plan of Hearns for Joshua, not the right time to change that.

[JollyGood]

On the surface what is clear is that Fury offered the fight to Joshua on a 60/40 split which is an excellent 40% for Joshua considering he lost back to back fights and his titles along the way and is currently not holding any championship belts. Joshua says he has accepted as long as Fury and his team talk to his team.

Keeping that aside, no contract has been signed yet and until one is I remain dubious it will go ahead. Why would Fury put his belts on the line in return for fighting someone with no belts and thing to lose? Why has Joshua not made an assault on the media shouting off he will claim to beat Fury? Something does not add up.

[Cryptmuster]

On the surface what is clear is that Fury offered the fight to Joshua on a 60/40 split which is an excellent 40% for Joshua considering he lost back to back fights and his titles along the way and is currently not holding any championship belts. Joshua says he has accepted as long as Fury and his team talk to his team.

Keeping that aside, no contract has been signed yet and until one is I remain dubious it will go ahead. Why would Fury put his belts on the line in return for fighting someone with no belts and thing to lose? Why has Joshua not made an assault on the media shouting off he will claim to beat Fury? Something does not add up.

Because Joshua understands that this fight, most likely, will not happen. It is not clear, for what this fight for Fury, maybe he just sees that Joshua is now depressed after the defeat and considers him an easy opponent. And he is afraid to box with Usyk, because Usyk is confident in himself, and Fury admits that he can lose with him. I don't know, Fury is weird, who knows what's going on in his head.

[Ararbermas]

Well for me i think it would be FURY because even andy ruiz can dominate him on their match so how much more when it comes fury wherein a heavy puncher and have a good technique to dominate his all opponents. How many times fury proved that his the king? So for me IMO prediction joshua will end up KO..

[coin-investor]

On the surface what is clear is that Fury offered the fight to Joshua on a 60/40 split which is an excellent 40% for Joshua considering he lost back to back fights and his titles along the way and is currently not holding any championship belts. Joshua says he has accepted as long as Fury and his team talk to his team.

Fury loves to take people for a ride, just when we all thought that he is retiring for good now here he is daring Usyk and Joshua for a fight and coming up with huge demands, he's good at mind games, he knows that Joshua is vulnerable and he wants to attack that vulnerability,

Keeping that aside, no contract has been signed yet, and until one is I remain dubious it will go ahead. Why would Fury put his belts on the line in return for fighting someone with no belts and things to lose? Why has Joshua not made an assault on the media shouting off he will claim to beat Fury? Something does not add up.

Promoters are waiting for the public's interest in this fight but who would be so interested in waiting for a fight against a fighter who just come from two losses, people will perceive this as going to be a very one-sided match because of Joshua's mental condition and motivation is at its weakest he will desperately be trying to win, he should first go on a build-up road first, a fight with Fury can wait, he can regain his winning streaks in two fights even if those fights are cherry-picked.

[hilariousetc]

Fury was on Talksport this morning and has said he's offered AJ three different dates at three different venues: November 12, or Wembley stadium for November 26 and December 3 in Cardiff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUu5qgjjQk

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-names-three-dates-27930154

If you take Fury at his word AJ can't get better than that.

On the surface what is clear is that Fury offered the fight to Joshua on a 60/40 split which is an excellent 40% for Joshua considering he lost back to back fights and his titles along the way and is currently not holding any championship belts. Joshua says he has accepted as long as Fury and his team talk to his team.

Keeping that aside, no contract has been signed yet and until one is I remain dubious it will go ahead. Why would Fury put his belts on the line in return for fighting someone with no belts and thing to lose? Why has Joshua not made an assault on the media shouting off he will claim to beat Fury? Something does not add up.

Because it's the biggest fight to make outside of Usyk, and some even say it's even bigger than that. If Fury thinks he beats AJ easy then it's a no-brainer for him along with one of if not the biggest payday (which Usyk will probably eclipse if it's in Saudi). I don't think it will be an easy fight but Fury will be by far the favourite and 90% of people will expect him to win.

[KTChampions]

On the surface what is clear is that Fury offered the fight to Joshua on a 60/40 split which is an excellent 40% for Joshua considering he lost back to back fights and his titles along the way and is currently not holding any championship belts. Joshua says he has accepted as long as Fury and his team talk to his team.

Keeping that aside, no contract has been signed yet and until one is I remain dubious it will go ahead. Why would Fury put his belts on the line in return for fighting someone with no belts and thing to lose? Why has Joshua not made an assault on the media shouting off he will claim to beat Fury? Something does not add up.

Why belts if it was initially only about the WBC belt (did something change?)?

By the way, what odds will make you bet on the victory of one of the fighters? 1.1 on Fury would be a good choice? Or 20 on AJ (which we are unlikely to see since there is always a place for lucky punch in boxing)? At the moment I'm out of ideas although it's obvious that Fury is the clear favorite.

[eaLiTy]

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Usyk has announced he will not be fighting again this year even though Fury and his team were desperate for the fight to go ahead therefore Fury has made an open challenge via the media to Joshua challenging him to the Battle of Britain fight and putting his belts on the line while Joshua has zero belts.

If Joshua accepts and this fight goes ahead, what will will the outcome be and will it shape the future of boxing for years to come?

I was surprised to see the call out by Tyson Fury in Instagram, but there is a timeline for Joshua to accept the fight and if Joshua accepts the fight within the timeframe we could see the potential fight between them and i was eagerly waiting for this fight long back, but the hype is lost after couple of losses  against Usyk and i don't think Joshua will be mentally prepared to take on this challenge within the timeframe. Either Fury has to wait for Usyk to return or find another opponent if he is planning to fight this year.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

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Usyk has announced he will not be fighting again this year even though Fury and his team were desperate for the fight to go ahead therefore Fury has made an open challenge via the media to Joshua challenging him to the Battle of Britain fight and putting his belts on the line while Joshua has zero belts.

If Joshua accepts and this fight goes ahead, what will will the outcome be and will it shape the future of boxing for years to come?

I was surprised to see the call out by Tyson Fury in Instagram, but there is a timeline for Joshua to accept the fight and if Joshua accepts the fight within the timeframe we could see the potential fight between them and i was eagerly waiting for this fight long back, but the hype is lost after couple of losses  against Usyk and i don't think Joshua will be mentally prepared to take on this challenge within the timeframe. Either Fury has to wait for Usyk to return or find another opponent if he is planning to fight this year.

Tyson Fury is looking for the next biggest payday that he will get if he will get out of his 'retirement'. And the best second fight is Anthony, although doesn't have the belts, but still has al of fans in their native country, so there is money to be made. And who is he calling to call? Andy Ruiz? the WBC eliminator winning? yes he has the right to challenge Fury but the money will be less compared to the "Battle of Britain" that Fury wanted before the end of this year.

[Welsh]

Fury every day of the week, and twice on sunday! (Yes, I'm paraphrasing Fury there). Honestly, I think there's a massive difference between the two, and while I definitely want to see it, that's only to confirm it in reality rather than in my mind, that Fury is the best thing to come out of the UK boxing scene in a very long time. Especially heavyweight.

Joshua probably gets one last big pay out after this fight, and it'll likely be Wilder. Then I see him either retiring himself or continuing to fight the Chisora's of the division. Hearne will want to milk the cow as much as he can after these fights.

Also, it'll be nice to see these two fight in the UK for once. They've fought overseas far too many times.

[Baofeng]

On the surface what is clear is that Fury offered the fight to Joshua on a 60/40 split which is an excellent 40% for Joshua considering he lost back to back fights and his titles along the way and is currently not holding any championship belts. Joshua says he has accepted as long as Fury and his team talk to his team.

It's because that's what have been offered to him when they supposed to fight years ago. They have schedule a blockbuster fight between them, AJ 3 belts still and Fury has the WBC. But Fury has a contractual obligation to fight Wilder and then AJ lost back to back to Usyk. Now the tide has turn, AJ now is being offered 40. And as per report there will be a rematch clause.

Keeping that aside, no contract has been signed yet and until one is I remain dubious it will go ahead. Why would Fury put his belts on the line in return for fighting someone with no belts and thing to lose? Why has Joshua not made an assault on the media shouting off he will claim to beat Fury? Something does not add up.

Still at works, lots of things to iron out, they are domestic rivals including their promotions, Matchroom by Hearn (AJ) and Queensberry Promotions by Frank Warren (Fury).

[Welsh]

Still at works, lots of things to iron out, they are domestic rivals including their promotions, Matchroom by Hearn (AJ) and Queensberry Promotions by Frank Warren (Fury).

No doubt, both promotions know there's a lot of money riding on this, and I imagine Hearne is going to be pushing for a 50/50 split rather than taking the smaller purse. I imagine it's going to take...in typical boxing fashion a few months to sort this out, while both fighters are ageing. There will probably be issues with securing a venue, all of the normal excuses you have when it comes to these two fighters.

I also see them selling out, and going to Dubai to host it. They'll want the money, and the UK side of things can't compete with that, which will be a huge shame for British fans wanting to see these two fight in their home turfs.

[serjent05]

It is quite surprising that Usyk had avoided fury, but this Fury - Joshua fight is indeed very interesting.  This had been long overdue and I hope both the fighter will come to terms and schedule their fight.  Fury might have an advantage in this fight but I am hoping that Joshua win's the fight. 

It's because that's what have been offered to him when they supposed to fight years ago. They have schedule a blockbuster fight between them, AJ 3 belts still and Fury has the WBC. But Fury has a contractual obligation to fight Wilder and then AJ lost back to back to Usyk. Now the tide has turn, AJ now is being offered 40. And as per report there will be a rematch clause.

It is reasonable because AJ poses as a challenger in the possible upcoming fight.  Besides, it is an offer of opportunity for  AJ to have a title fight asap after he losses to Usyk.

Keeping that aside, no contract has been signed yet and until one is I remain dubious it will go ahead. Why would Fury put his belts on the line in return for fighting someone with no belts and thing to lose?

Possibly because Fury thinks that he has an advantage over AJ and easy money for him if ever AJ accepted the fight. 

Why has Joshua not made an assault on the media shouting off he will claim to beat Fury? Something does not add up.

It is simple, Joshua doesn't want to look like a clown on social media.  Remember he lost back to back to Usyk, so claiming he will beat Fury will possibly become a laughing stock on social media until proven.

[Welsh]

It is quite surprising that Usyk had avoided fury, but this Fury - Joshua fight is indeed very interesting.  This had been long overdue and I hope both the fighter will come to terms and schedule their fight.  Fury might have an advantage in this fight but I am hoping that Joshua win's the fight.
It is simple, Joshua doesn't want to look like a clown on social media.  Remember he lost back to back to Usyk, so claiming he will beat Fury will possibly become a laughing stock on social media until proven.

I take any talk online as gospel, and with a huge pinch of salt. So, I doubt they'll avoid each other personally it'll be their promotions if anyone. They'll want to setup a cash cow, but the only problem with mega fights is they derail one of the fighters careers, unless you can make a massive rematch or trilogy out of it. However, I don't think the two fighters are close enough in terms of ability that it'll be close, and therefore after the first fight a lot of interest will be lost.

Usyk has only recently really got his career rolling in the Heavyweight division so his promotion will want to keep milking that cow, and they'll avoid any risky fights in my opinion. Fury obviously is at the tail end of his career, and probably just wants to mop up the rest of the division, and be the undisputed best fighter of his era.

[Kemarit]

Still at works, lots of things to iron out, they are domestic rivals including their promotions, Matchroom by Hearn (AJ) and Queensberry Promotions by Frank Warren (Fury).

No doubt, both promotions know there's a lot of money riding on this, and I imagine Hearne is going to be pushing for a 50/50 split rather than taking the smaller purse. I imagine it's going to take...in typical boxing fashion a few months to sort this out, while both fighters are ageing. There will probably be issues with securing a venue, all of the normal excuses you have when it comes to these two fighters.

I also see them selling out, and going to Dubai to host it. They'll want the money, and the UK side of things can't compete with that, which will be a huge shame for British fans wanting to see these two fight in their home turfs.

If I'm not mistaken, in the schedule first fight of Fury and Joshua, the side of Anthony pushes for a 60:40 and then Fury camp come back with the 50:50 split. Perhaps Hearn will used it against Fury this time and see how they will react with that kind of split.

Of course, it will be a shame if the fight is not going to happen in the British soil. But the money is going to flow if ever this is going to be in Saudi again. It seems that Hearn has build already a good rapport with someone rich and influential in Saudi that he can just go there and ask for the fight to be held with this amount of money.

[TopTort777]

It is quite surprising that Usyk had avoided fury, but this Fury - Joshua fight is indeed very interesting.  This had been long overdue and I hope both the fighter will come to terms and schedule their fight.  Fury might have an advantage in this fight but I am hoping that Joshua win's the fight. 

It's because that's what have been offered to him when they supposed to fight years ago. They have schedule a blockbuster fight between them, AJ 3 belts still and Fury has the WBC. But Fury has a contractual obligation to fight Wilder and then AJ lost back to back to Usyk. Now the tide has turn, AJ now is being offered 40. And as per report there will be a rematch clause.

It is reasonable because AJ poses as a challenger in the possible upcoming fight.  Besides, it is an offer of opportunity for  AJ to have a title fight asap after he losses to Usyk.

Keeping that aside, no contract has been signed yet and until one is I remain dubious it will go ahead. Why would Fury put his belts on the line in return for fighting someone with no belts and thing to lose?

Possibly because Fury thinks that he has an advantage over AJ and easy money for him if ever AJ accepted the fight. 

Why has Joshua not made an assault on the media shouting off he will claim to beat Fury? Something does not add up.

It is simple, Joshua doesn't want to look like a clown on social media.  Remember he lost back to back to Usyk, so claiming he will beat Fury will possibly become a laughing stock on social media until proven.

If I were from AJ team, I would suggest him to fight someone he would definitely win (I guess that is called a cherry pick fight; correct me if I am wrong). If AJ looses, and it looks like he will definitely gonna lose to Fury, that might end his career.

And it is going to be a perfect fight for Fury to end his career undefeated. With his dirty boxing (laying on opponents) and lots of AJ muscles, AJ will be fighting oxygen, not Fury in late rounds. Imho, AJ should avoid this fight, even for a big cheque if he wants to continue boxing career. He has already proved that he is far from being the best, now it is stupid to prove that against more dangerous opponent.

[JollyGood]

We have 17 votes in the poll and just 1 is in favour of Joshua to win. 16 of the 17 votes are in favour of Fury to win the fight if it goes ahead.

Considering the fact Fury has offered so many options to Joshua in order to accommodate the fight, there should be no excuses on part of Joshua to avoid getting in the ring to face Fury. I hope we something written in a contract soon so both fighters can concentrate on the fight itself.

[coin-investor]

We have 17 votes in the poll and just 1 is in favour of Joshua to win. 16 of the 17 votes are in favour of Fury to win the fight if it goes ahead.

Considering the fact Fury has offered so many options to Joshua in order to accommodate the fight, there should be no excuses on part of Joshua to avoid getting in the ring to face Fury. I hope we something written in a contract soon so both fighters can concentrate on the fight itself.

Based on this article it's almost a done deal and they are just ironing out the tiny bits of information they all agreed on many things.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/07/anthony-joshua-accepts-tyson-furys-60-40-fight-offer-on-one-condition

Fury’s promoter Frank Warren also confirmed an offer would be sent over with Hearn now telling IFL TV they have accepted the deal which also includes a rematch option.

They are very transparent in their talks, they should be because this is the fight that should have happened years ago but it's under different circumstances now, made possible by Fury's gesture of giving him a chance to redeem himself or to end his career  

[KTChampions]

We have 17 votes in the poll and just 1 is in favour of Joshua to win. 16 of the 17 votes are in favour of Fury to win the fight if it goes ahead.

Considering the fact Fury has offered so many options to Joshua in order to accommodate the fight, there should be no excuses on part of Joshua to avoid getting in the ring to face Fury. I hope we something written in a contract soon so both fighters can concentrate on the fight itself.

It would be strange if the results were different. This calls into question the expediency of the fight. I would like to know what the odds of the bookmakers will be for this fight, it seems that due to the current situation we will really see something extremely one-sided. Like 1.05 on Fury and 18 on AJ. You will either have to bet on an outsider or guess in which round a knockout will occur.

[Cling18]

We have 17 votes in the poll and just 1 is in favour of Joshua to win. 16 of the 17 votes are in favour of Fury to win the fight if it goes ahead.

Considering the fact Fury has offered so many options to Joshua in order to accommodate the fight, there should be no excuses on part of Joshua to avoid getting in the ring to face Fury. I hope we something written in a contract soon so both fighters can concentrate on the fight itself.

It would be strange if the results were different. This calls into question the expediency of the fight. I would like to know what the odds of the bookmakers will be for this fight, it seems that due to the current situation we will really see something extremely one-sided. Like 1.05 on Fury and 18 on AJ. You will either have to bet on an outsider or guess in which round a knockout will occur.

Joshua should really grab this fight as an opportunity to show more of his skills in the ring. Fury has always been ready and prepared for whoever his opponents would be so we can't question the number of supporters who trust his strength in the ring. He has been showing his eagerness and dedication to making a good name in the industry.

[btc_angela]

We have 17 votes in the poll and just 1 is in favour of Joshua to win. 16 of the 17 votes are in favour of Fury to win the fight if it goes ahead.

Considering the fact Fury has offered so many options to Joshua in order to accommodate the fight, there should be no excuses on part of Joshua to avoid getting in the ring to face Fury. I hope we something written in a contract soon so both fighters can concentrate on the fight itself.

It would be strange if the results were different. This calls into question the expediency of the fight. I would like to know what the odds of the bookmakers will be for this fight, it seems that due to the current situation we will really see something extremely one-sided. Like 1.05 on Fury and 18 on AJ. You will either have to bet on an outsider or guess in which round a knockout will occur.

Joshua should really grab this fight as an opportunity to show more of his skills in the ring. Fury has always been ready and prepared for whoever his opponents would be so we can't question the number of supporters who trust his strength in the ring. He has been showing his eagerness and dedication to making a good name in the industry.

What do you mean, he had to change his trainer just in his rematch against Usyk, to show his skills in the ring but it was not enough as obviously he has lost that fight already.

Nevertheless, he said he wanted to still fight and there you go, Tyson Fury offered him a all British match. There are dates and venue, purse split, we just have to see the sign contract. And base on the votes, Fury will be the favorite, probably Joshua will be 3:1 underdog in the opening odds.

[Baofeng]

Still at works, lots of things to iron out, they are domestic rivals including their promotions, Matchroom by Hearn (AJ) and Queensberry Promotions by Frank Warren (Fury).

No doubt, both promotions know there's a lot of money riding on this, and I imagine Hearne is going to be pushing for a 50/50 split rather than taking the smaller purse. I imagine it's going to take...in typical boxing fashion a few months to sort this out, while both fighters are ageing. There will probably be issues with securing a venue, all of the normal excuses you have when it comes to these two fighters.

True, but it seems that Fury wanted to push it before the end of the year and if that fight is not going to be made, maybe the hype won't be this big. Or maybe the will go on a fight a different fighter, Joshua some B level fighter, a boxer that he can beat. And then Fury vs Usyk or Andy Ruiz.

I also see them selling out, and going to Dubai to host it. They'll want the money, and the UK side of things can't compete with that, which will be a huge shame for British fans wanting to see these two fight in their home turfs.

It had to happen in UK, one of the biggest sporting event at the end of the year for them. The fans should clamor and insist to Hearn and Warren to have this fight in British soil.

[Hydrogen]

Anthony Joshua only threw 5 punches in some rounds when he fought Usyk. Joshua's output volume is so remarkably low. An issue which Deontay Wilder also appears to struggle with.

Wilder looked tired to me in round 2 of the trilogy meeting with Tyson Fury. I think Anthony Joshua would be the same were he to fight Tyson Fury. Except Joshua lacks the big knockout power that Deontay Wilder has which would result him him having virtually no chance versus Fury.

Many top heavyweights in boxing appear to not be capable of getting themselves in shape to throw a respectable amount of punch volume before being exhausted. Its a strange thing which makes me believe we may be witnessing the end of boxing as a legitimate sport.

[serjent05]

If I were from AJ team, I would suggest him to fight someone he would definitely win (I guess that is called a cherry pick fight; correct me if I am wrong). If AJ looses, and it looks like he will definitely gonna lose to Fury, that might end his career.

I would do the same if I am his manager/promoter.  Rushing a fight against Fury will possibly make him look bad if he lost once again.  I know there is a money to be made in the fight but it would be the career of the fighter a priority if the manager wanted to milk more money on Joshua. 

Look at what Usyk did, he is at the top of his career and he literally avoided Fury in his fight.  Sometimes, it is not wrong to chose an easier opponent if a boxer wanted to rebuild the hype around him.

And it is going to be a perfect fight for Fury to end his career undefeated. With his dirty boxing (laying on opponents) and lots of AJ muscles, AJ will be fighting oxygen, not Fury in late rounds. Imho, AJ should avoid this fight, even for a big cheque if he wants to continue boxing career. He has already proved that he is far from being the best, now it is stupid to prove that against more dangerous opponent.

I don't think it is dirty boxing when you are taking advantage of your weight and height during the fight as long as it is not a foul move, then I see them ok.  It is like a clever strategy to outwit and defeat his opponent.

[TopTort777]

And it is going to be a perfect fight for Fury to end his career undefeated. With his dirty boxing (laying on opponents) and lots of AJ muscles, AJ will be fighting oxygen, not Fury in late rounds. Imho, AJ should avoid this fight, even for a big cheque if he wants to continue boxing career. He has already proved that he is far from being the best, now it is stupid to prove that against more dangerous opponent.

I don't think it is dirty boxing when you are taking advantage of your weight and height during the fight as long as it is not a foul move, then I see them ok.  It is like a clever strategy to outwit and defeat his opponent.

So what does a "120kg guy pushes you dont by bending your back, loading your quadriceps and calfs and make you more exhausted and slowed" move called then ? Clever strategy ? Do few squads with a 120kg bar, then do some shadow boxing and repeat squads. Then tell me how you feel, if you wont blackout after few sessions. That is what I call a dirty boxing by Fury, leaning. He does this in every fight.

[Welsh]

The thing is, the fans have already started to turn against Joshua. I actually referred him to the golden boy back when he was winning. It was obvious he was going to get found out, and there was already questions on his desire, and chin. I do believe he has desire though, it's just after that Ruiz fight that took something out of him. He avoids the brawling which he was good at, and now looks to box. I'm sorry he isn't a technical boxer, he's better when he looks to knock the opponent out. Just look at him, he looks like he's been carved out of marbel.

He's now lost a lot of the fans, which is kind of ironic. Fans can be very fickle, and it's not like he's a terrible boxer, he's top four easily in his division. Anyway, I genuinely believe he doesn't just need one tune up fight, he needs several, and a big opponent before Fury. It's risky, but from a point of view of the promoters Wilder probably makes more sense. He has a chance somewhat there. If he can avoid that right hand, which I doubt he can, but if he can he probably would be able to outbox Wilder. Since Wilder isn't exactly a great boxer either.

Fury demolishes him, and his career probably derails even further. Like I said, he probably goes back to fighting, and winning against the Chisora's, and that would be a shame since when he was using his power he was exciting, and he needs to find that confidence against if he is to have any chance of success against Fury.

He almost certainly isn't going to outbox Fury.

[Baofeng]

^^ This is the same thoughts as Bob Arum, that's why he said that Eddie Hearn is bluffing. Because Arum after so many years in boxing, knows when a fighter needs a tune up fight after getting a big L, which Joshua had and it's back to back loses. And so he is negative about the fight happening this year, although he is on the side of Fury and probably Fury will beat Joshua, he might be sharing what others think that this is a very dangerous path for Joshua if he wanted to get back again from the humiliating lost from Usyk.

As for the fans, well if they see that their favorite boxers is losing, it's understandable that they too want to distant themselves from Joshua.

[Welsh]

As for the fans, well if they see that their favorite boxers is losing, it's understandable that they too want to distant themselves from Joshua.

If Joshua is your favourite boxing, then now is when you need to support him the most. Since, he's kind of losing the plot a little bit. Just look at his rather emotional speech at the end of the Usyk fight. The thing is, Joshua has been protected from the media, and that's why I've called him the golden boy. They've tried to portray him as a certain type of personality, and it seems outside of boxing he just isn't the same personality. He'll tell you himself if given the chance he grew up in a rough neighbourhood, and he isn't this clean cut guy. He was going to prison before he picked up a boxing career. I imagine Eddie saw that, and thought he could create a boxer on redemption, and therefore that's why he has been shielded to some extent, and sort of convinced to put on this persona.

We've seen that his personality differs out in the public, and when he doesn't get his own way. He was dismissive of Ruiz last time out, and he was dismissive to Usyk both times. This time he kind of put amends to it, but that's probably from either Eddie or one of his team reminding him to be graceful in defeat.

Joshua needs support either from his fans or from his team to pick himself up, otherwise his career does look pretty bleak, and I do think he's better than the majority of the division, and needs to get back to his old fighting style, and forget this technical boxing act.

[hilariousetc]

Fury every day of the week, and twice on sunday! (Yes, I'm paraphrasing Fury there). Honestly, I think there's a massive difference between the two, and while I definitely want to see it, that's only to confirm it in reality rather than in my mind, that Fury is the best thing to come out of the UK boxing scene in a very long time. Especially heavyweight.

Joshua probably gets one last big pay out after this fight, and it'll likely be Wilder. Then I see him either retiring himself or continuing to fight the Chisora's of the division. Hearne will want to milk the cow as much as he can after these fights.

Also, it'll be nice to see these two fight in the UK for once. They've fought overseas far too many times.

He's just signed a long-term deal with Dazn so he'll probably just fight bums or other fighters on Eddie's roster to please Dazn. The Dazn deal might be one of those things that's holding this fight back because I'm sure they're going to want their piece of the pie but with this being under Bricktop's production it's going to be their way or the highway for most of it and AJ/Hearn will have little say in things.

Still at works, lots of things to iron out, they are domestic rivals including their promotions, Matchroom by Hearn (AJ) and Queensberry Promotions by Frank Warren (Fury).

No doubt, both promotions know there's a lot of money riding on this, and I imagine Hearne is going to be pushing for a 50/50 split rather than taking the smaller purse. I imagine it's going to take...in typical boxing fashion a few months to sort this out, while both fighters are ageing. There will probably be issues with securing a venue, all of the normal excuses you have when it comes to these two fighters.

I also see them selling out, and going to Dubai to host it. They'll want the money, and the UK side of things can't compete with that, which will be a huge shame for British fans wanting to see these two fight in their home turfs.

Hearn and AJ have already agreed to the 60/40 which is already very generous on Fury's part (the deal even included a 50/50 split if a rematch happened so AJ isn't going to get better than that). Fury already has some venues reserved for the fight as well, which one of them was probably just for whatever bum he was going to fight before this happened, and let's be honest he's probably still going to fight some bum in Dec if AJ doesn't sign off on this. If this fight doesn't get made this year it probably never will happen or won't be until 2024 as next year will probably be taken up with Usyk and then likely a rematch later in the year. AJ also looks to be fighting in Dec according to Hearn but that will probably just be someone like Chisora.

[aioc]

^^ This is the same thoughts as Bob Arum, that's why he said that Eddie Hearn is bluffing. Because Arum after so many years in boxing, knows when a fighter needs a tune up fight after getting a big L, which Joshua had and it's back to back loses. And so he is negative about the fight happening this year, although he is on the side of Fury and probably Fury will beat Joshua, he might be sharing what others think that this is a very dangerous path for Joshua if he wanted to get back again from the humiliating lost from Usyk.

As for the fans, well if they see that their favorite boxers is losing, it's understandable that they too want to distant themselves from Joshua.

Bob knows the boxing business and boxers' behavior after the wins and the losses because he has seen it all, he's one of the oldest promoters in boxing and all are pointing for Joshua to get a tune fight first or a build-up fight first, the hardest question is what will become of Joshua's career if he losses again.

Fury is good at mind games he knows that Joshua is at his lowest, and his self-esteem is destroyed by these two losses, how can he motivate himself that he has what it takes to beat Fury when his best is not good enough against Usyk.

And the thought of what's next if he losses again, is Hearns really after Joshua getting back in boxing or he wants to end Joshua's career.

[Shamm]

A 6 foot 9 Tyson fury has a record of 32-0-1 fighting against Anthony Joshua has a record of 24-3   which is we can say that is a good matchup as well because as we can see their records even though Anthony Joshua has lesser wins than Tyson furry but out of 24, 22 of it via knockout which explain to us that he is strong enough to fight the undefeated fighter in their division Tyson furry. For sure this matchup ends with knockout.

[KTChampions]

It would be strange if the results were different. This calls into question the expediency of the fight. I would like to know what the odds of the bookmakers will be for this fight, it seems that due to the current situation we will really see something extremely one-sided. Like 1.05 on Fury and 18 on AJ. You will either have to bet on an outsider or guess in which round a knockout will occur.

Joshua should really grab this fight as an opportunity to show more of his skills in the ring. Fury has always been ready and prepared for whoever his opponents would be so we can't question the number of supporters who trust his strength in the ring. He has been showing his eagerness and dedication to making a good name in the industry.

Joshua has been preparing to fight Usyk for 11 months, and he will be ready for the fight with Fury in just 3? It's more like trying to grab more money before ending a career. Who will be interested in him after the defeat from Fury and the statistics of the last 5 fights, of which 4 were losses? However, maybe this is the best solution for him, it is difficult to judge from the outside, but in my opinion this is a desperate decision.

[Baofeng]

^^ This is the same thoughts as Bob Arum, that's why he said that Eddie Hearn is bluffing. Because Arum after so many years in boxing, knows when a fighter needs a tune up fight after getting a big L, which Joshua had and it's back to back loses. And so he is negative about the fight happening this year, although he is on the side of Fury and probably Fury will beat Joshua, he might be sharing what others think that this is a very dangerous path for Joshua if he wanted to get back again from the humiliating lost from Usyk.

As for the fans, well if they see that their favorite boxers is losing, it's understandable that they too want to distant themselves from Joshua.

Bob knows the boxing business and boxers' behavior after the wins and the losses because he has seen it all, he's one of the oldest promoters in boxing and all are pointing for Joshua to get a tune fight first or a build-up fight first, the hardest question is what will become of Joshua's career if he losses again.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say that's why he pointed out some positive and negative statement about Joshua and Eddie agreeing to terms of Fury and the fight being held before the end of the year.

Fury is good at mind games he knows that Joshua is at his lowest, and his self-esteem is destroyed by these two losses, how can he motivate himself that he has what it takes to beat Fury when his best is not good enough against Usyk.

And the thought of what's next if he losses again, is Hearns really after Joshua getting back in boxing or he wants to end Joshua's career.

No question about it, he already destroys Wilder even without throwing the first punch in their first punch and did so in the rematch. So this is a good strategy by Fury to call him out in public. And if this fight doesn't materialized, fans will know who stall the fight.

[JollyGood]

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels? For me it seems as though Fury wants a warm up fight before taking on Usyk next year in February 2023 for the unification fight and he is more than confident he will demolish Joshua.

As for Joshua, he is not jumping for joy at the chance of fighting Fury for the WBC and other titles on the line considering Joshua himself has back to back defeats including losing all his heavyweight titles and belts to Usyk. Even Bob Arum (the US promoter for Fury) said Joshua and his team are not trying hard enough to make the fight happen.

Here is what Fury said:





"AJ, I haven't heard from you at all.

Just to clarify, there has never been a December 17th date, ever. There's only ever been November 26 at Wembley, or December 3rd at Cardiff. There never has been a date on the 17th.

This is it now AJ, Eddie, don't get scared now. Agree to the fight and lets give the fans what they want.

I've give you an unbelievable deal and an unbelievable opportunity, so let's go. Go time. Show time. And AJ, if you really wanted this fight, you would say you wanted it, and you would just do it. November 26, December 3, let's give the fans what they want. No way out, take the fight."


I am beginning to doubt this fight will go ahead now. If it fails to materialise I would put it squarely down to Joshua being worried about getting in the ring with Fury because Fury has made every move possible to make sure Joshua cannot refuse the fight.

[coin-investor]

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels? For me it seems as though Fury wants a warm up fight before taking on Usyk next year in February 2023 for the unification fight and he is more than confident he will demolish Joshua.

I'm also thinking that way, Joshua is at its lowest point with two successive losses and Fury knows that fighting Joshua at this point in time is at his advantage, the 60/40 deal is already very tempting anyway you look at it Joshua got the respect out of this deal, it should have been 70/30 based on both boxer's current status and standing, but I'm against Joshua fighting Fury at this point in time, even though the offer is very hard to turn down if he turns it down people should understand him, let's give Joshua to fully recover by fighting cherry-picked a fight and learn new and developer new skills so he can get even against Usyk or beat Fury.

[hilariousetc]

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels? For me it seems as though Fury wants a warm up fight before taking on Usyk next year in February 2023 for the unification fight and he is more than confident he will demolish Joshua.

As for Joshua, he is not jumping for joy at the chance of fighting Fury for the WBC and other titles on the line considering Joshua himself has back to back defeats including losing all his heavyweight titles and belts to Usyk. Even Bob Arum (the US promoter for Fury) said Joshua and his team are not trying hard enough to make the fight happen.

AJ probably doesn't really want the fight right now. Can we blame him? In an ideal world he would probably want to have one or two tune up fights to try get his mojo back before being fed to the sharks but Tyson pretty much unexpectedly dumped the fight on him out of the blue and it's a catch-22 situation where if he doesn't take it he might not ever get another chance, not to mention fans are going to hound him like crazy for turning the fight down. The one thing that might be holding AJ from signing onto the fight straight away is his Dazn deal. AJ has signed a long-term exclusive contract to Dazn but this fight is going to be a 100% Fury show so AJ likely won't be able to sign onto something without working Dazn into the deal which obviously complicates things. I'm sure AJ knows he's not going to get a better deal than 60/40 and might not get the chance to make this fight again and probably does want to take the fight but it's not as easy as just signing the short contract Fury sent over. The talk of this fight has died down pretty fast with Tyson practically going MIA on social media after posting about the fight almost constantly on Instagram stories, but that could be a good thing if they're trying to work it out behind the scenes. Hearn hasn't given any updates either so that leads me to speculate they're probably really busy trying to get it done. I'm sure we'll hear something soon because if this fight doesn't happen then both Fury and AJ will probably be fighting some bums in Nov/Dec and will need to get those shows on the road.

[JollyGood]

I'm also thinking that way, Joshua is at its lowest point with two successive losses and Fury knows that fighting Joshua at this point in time is at his advantage, the 60/40 deal is already very tempting anyway you look at it Joshua got the respect out of this deal, it should have been 70/30 based on both boxer's current status and standing, but I'm against Joshua fighting Fury at this point in time, even though the offer is very hard to turn down if he turns it down people should understand him, let's give Joshua to fully recover by fighting cherry-picked a fight and learn new and developer new skills so he can get even against Usyk or beat Fury.

It will be very easy for Joshua to turn down the fight but he will be unable to hide away if he spurns Fury. There is no way at all he should be fighting Fury after back to back defeats because he is not good enough to win. At least of he had a couple of warm up fights under his belt he would have confidence if stepping in to the ring with Fury. Joshua really does need time to recover before making any decision.

AJ probably doesn't really want the fight right now. Can we blame him? In an ideal world he would probably want to have one or two tune up fights to try get his mojo back before being fed to the sharks but Tyson pretty much unexpectedly dumped the fight on him out of the blue and it's a catch-22 situation where if he doesn't take it he might not ever get another chance, not to mention fans are going to hound him like crazy for turning the fight down. The one thing that might be holding AJ from signing onto the fight straight away is his Dazn deal. AJ has signed a long-term exclusive contract to Dazn but this fight is going to be a 100% Fury show so AJ likely won't be able to sign onto something without working Dazn into the deal which obviously complicates things. I'm sure AJ knows he's not going to get a better deal than 60/40 and might not get the chance to make this fight again and probably does want to take the fight but it's not as easy as just signing the short contract Fury sent over. The talk of this fight has died down pretty fast with Tyson practically going MIA on social media after posting about the fight almost constantly on Instagram stories, but that could be a good thing if they're trying to work it out behind the scenes. Hearn hasn't given any updates either so that leads me to speculate they're probably really busy trying to get it done. I'm sure we'll hear something soon because if this fight doesn't happen then both Fury and AJ will probably be fighting some bums in Nov/Dec and will need to get those shows on the road.

Even with his mojo back, Joshua will not be having any success against Fury or it is highly unlikely. The purse split is very generous, under normal circumstances any boxer including Joshua should take the challenge but Joshua (even though he is not in the right frame of mind) is aware that another defeat would be the end of his career.

This offer to fight has come at the wrong time for Joshua.

[robelneo]

It will be very easy for Joshua to turn down the fight but he will be unable to hide away if he spurns Fury. There is no way at all he should be fighting Fury after back to back defeats because he is not good enough to win. At least of he had a couple of warm up fights under his belt he would have confidence if stepping in to the ring with Fury. Joshua really does need time to recover before making any decision.

That is the right decision to make, yes all of them can make money out of this fight, but the legacy that Joshua made will banish if Fury beats him and I'm sure this will be an easy fight for Fury, Joshua's pride and confidence is wounded you don't go to another war with very low self-esteem if ever the fight push through, I can see Fury mocking him in every face off and conference they do before the fight, and this will further dump his confidence before the fight, but if he declines the fight there should be a good reason too, or Fury will still mock him for turning back, but he needs to back up.

[JollyGood]

Fury was very respectful and honest towards both Hearn and Joshua when he offered the fight to them, there was no mocking and no sarcasm. He even offered a 60/40 cut to a boxer that lost back to back fights including a rematch to retake his titles.

If it becomes official that the fight will not go ahead because Joshua and Hearn rejected it, then you can expect endless mocking by Fury towards Joshua. I am seriously leaning towards Joshua rejecting the opportunity to fight Fury because he fears losing 3 consecutive fights and his professional career ending as a result.

That is the right decision to make, yes all of them can make money out of this fight, but the legacy that Joshua made will banish if Fury beats him and I'm sure this will be an easy fight for Fury, Joshua's pride and confidence is wounded you don't go to another war with very low self-esteem if ever the fight push through, I can see Fury mocking him in every face off and conference they do before the fight, and this will further dump his confidence before the fight, but if he declines the fight there should be a good reason too, or Fury will still mock him for turning back, but he needs to back up.

[Darker45]

This is not the kind of fight that would even influence a little as to how boxing's future would shape. Joshua does not anymore belong to the elite level. As a matter of fact, when he was knocked out by Ruiz, he's not anymore the boxer that everyone is looking up to. And now that he's also suffered a couple of losses from Usyk, he's effectively become just a heavyweight ex-champ.

Joshua doesn't stand a chance against Fury. He'd lose by KO or TKO.

[hilariousetc]

Even with his mojo back, Joshua will not be having any success against Fury or it is highly unlikely. The purse split is very generous, under normal circumstances any boxer including Joshua should take the challenge but Joshua (even though he is not in the right frame of mind) is aware that another defeat would be the end of his career.

This offer to fight has come at the wrong time for Joshua.

It's not going to be the end of his career. Nobody expects him to win just like they didn't with Usyk. Best he can do is give a great performance and get the critics back on his side. Even after Fury there's plenty of other options - Wilder, Ruiz trilogy, and other fighters on Hearn's roster like Chisora and Whyte etc and I'm sure Eddie will give him some tune up fights if this Fury fight doesn't happen. Frank Warren did re-emerge the other day to say they put a pause on negations after the Queens death so at least this fight isn't also dead. I was getting a little worried with the radio silence of all parties, but maybe they're busy negotiating now. Like I said before, I'm sure AJ and Hearn don't want to let this fight go but that Dazn deal is going to have to be worked into the contract somehow as I can't see them stepping aside.

[JollyGood]

Joshua seems to have taken up the offer for the fight on 3rd December 2022: Here



Even though all the signs are beginning to build up that the fight will go ahead, I am not 100% convinced. I am not sure if it is possible Fury will fight Joshua on 3rd December 2022 and then fight Usyk in February 2023 for unification fight providing he beats Joshua. As you said, until the contracts are signed there is no need to get too excited.

Hearn has said he's accepted the offer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaL7pwVjjAA

But he's still rightfully sceptical that this isn't just some mind games or a way to grab more money for a Usyk fight. Looks like Frank Warren has the Millennium stadium reserved already so they could use that but he probably already had that for a Fury to fight some bum and that will likely still happen if the fight falls through. Until the contracts get signed then I wouldn't get too exited because it's going to be a squeeze to get a fight of this magnitude sorted in time. Either way, I'm sure we'll find out soon because even if they don't fight each other they'll be fighting someone else and will have to start promoting those matches.

[Rruchi man]

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels?

It is better for Joshua to drag his heels, I think he was too quick to give fury the impression on social media that he was down for this fight. There's a lot for him at risk especially his career and he has to think really hard before giving a concrete decision. On the twist side of his dwindling career, a victory in this fight may just be a resuscitation to his record after suffering successive defeats. Fury is a big name in the fighting industry but he is not impossible to beat, Joshua just has to work harder and go harder if he truly has agreed to the fight.

[Welsh]

Even though all the signs are beginning to build up that the fight will go ahead, I am not 100% convinced. I am not sure if it is possible Fury will fight Joshua on 3rd December 2022 and then fight Usyk in February 2023 for unification fight providing he beats Joshua. As you said, until the contracts are signed there is no need to get too excited.

I won't get excited until the contracts are signed, and even then I'll be doubtful since last time I believe we had contracts signed, until Wilder came back with that lawsuit. Obviously, Wilder isn't in the equation this time around, but I always doubt that boxing will get the fights made that the fans want to see. I know a lot of people want the Fury vs Uysk fight, but he seems to be wanting that next year, so why not give us one of the most anticipated fights of this era. Personally, I'd much rather see Joshua vs Fury despite me thinking Usyk is better. I ultimately want to see both of them, but that's even more doubtful in my mind to be honest.

[Darker45]

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels?

It is better for Joshua to drag his heels, I think he was too quick to give fury the impression on social media that he was down for this fight. There's a lot for him at risk especially his career and he has to think really hard before giving a concrete decision. On the twist side of his dwindling career, a victory in this fight may just be a resuscitation to his record after suffering successive defeats. Fury is a big name in the fighting industry but he is not impossible to beat, Joshua just has to work harder and go harder if he truly has agreed to the fight.

Joshua is not getting any younger. And it is clear that his career is also facing its eventual end. And it seems Joshua's successive losses have already taken their toll on his psychological health. It seems to me, there's really nothing to risk here for Joshua. I guess it's just right that he will prepare for this match. If this match will be postponed, he'd be fighting a lesser known fighter and he could still be defeated. And he won't be able to fight Fury anymore. Fury is probably a win-win option for Joshua right now.

[Boristhecat]

I won't get excited until the contracts are signed, and even then I'll be doubtful since last time I believe we had contracts signed, until Wilder came back with that lawsuit. Obviously, Wilder isn't in the equation this time around, but I always doubt that boxing will get the fights made that the fans want to see. I know a lot of people want the Fury vs Uysk fight, but he seems to be wanting that next year, so why not give us one of the most anticipated fights of this era. Personally, I'd much rather see Joshua vs Fury despite me thinking Usyk is better. I ultimately want to see both of them, but that's even more doubtful in my mind to be honest.

Same. If I'm not mistaken, if the fight takes place in December of this year, it will be a record (I don't even know for what period of time) in the speed of events between the announcement of the possibility of such a fight and the fight itself. Everyone is used to the fact that major fights take place after lengthy negotiations and preparations, despite the status of AJ, this is a major fight.

[Baofeng]

Even though all the signs are beginning to build up that the fight will go ahead, I am not 100% convinced. I am not sure if it is possible Fury will fight Joshua on 3rd December 2022 and then fight Usyk in February 2023 for unification fight providing he beats Joshua. As you said, until the contracts are signed there is no need to get too excited.

I won't get excited until the contracts are signed, and even then I'll be doubtful since last time I believe we had contracts signed, until Wilder came back with that lawsuit. Obviously, Wilder isn't in the equation this time around, but I always doubt that boxing will get the fights made that the fans want to see. I know a lot of people want the Fury vs Uysk fight, but he seems to be wanting that next year, so why not give us one of the most anticipated fights of this era. Personally, I'd much rather see Joshua vs Fury despite me thinking Usyk is better. I ultimately want to see both of them, but that's even more doubtful in my mind to be honest.

I agree, we need to see the contract sign first or at least there will be an official joint announcement that the fight is going to happen at the end of this year. Otherwise, it will be a lot of social media speculation and finger pointing if the fight is not made.

And we will see if someone if bluffing, and if either camp are really interested to make the fight. Or Joshua wanted it but he needs some tune up so there will be no fight at least this 2022. So we will see, all roads still goes to Tyson Fury in the end.

[Welsh]

And we will see if someone if bluffing, and if either camp are really interested to make the fight. Or Joshua wanted it but he needs some tune up so there will be no fight at least this 2022. So we will see, all roads still goes to Tyson Fury in the end.

Which, might I add has happened before between these guys. There was a lot of speculation, and finger pointing, and it seems that it wasn't actually Joshua's fault last time. You could probably put the blame on Fury if you wanted too, but ultimately that court case was out of his control. However, you would've thought they'd not make any agreements knowing that the case could go either way. Ultimately, I do think it was for publicity, and for building a story, as I suspect they would've had some sort of idea how that hearing would've played out.

Obviously, that hearing also created a storyline for the last Wilder vs Fury, because so many fans were gutted that the Fury vs Joshua fight didn't happen. So, I'm always sceptical of how boxing works, since I know they try anything, and everything for marketing. Somewhat the reason why I've stopped following it as much as I did a few years ago.

[hilariousetc]

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels?

It is better for Joshua to drag his heels, I think he was too quick to give fury the impression on social media that he was down for this fight. There's a lot for him at risk especially his career and he has to think really hard before giving a concrete decision. On the twist side of his dwindling career, a victory in this fight may just be a resuscitation to his record after suffering successive defeats. Fury is a big name in the fighting industry but he is not impossible to beat, Joshua just has to work harder and go harder if he truly has agreed to the fight.

He had to act swift. It was a take it or leave it situation with a hasty deadline put in place by Fury and any niggling will have likely cancelled the deal. Hearn even said they tried to get a 60/40 in favour of AJ in the potential rematch but Fury's camp told them to either accept the deal or it's off and AJ just told them to accept all terms so they don't have any excuses as to why the fight didn't happen. It was the right thing to do as 60/40 is a generous offer and he might not ever get the chance to fight Fury again, not to mention he's got an immediate chance to win the belts back which he doesn't deserve right now.  

Even though all the signs are beginning to build up that the fight will go ahead, I am not 100% convinced. I am not sure if it is possible Fury will fight Joshua on 3rd December 2022 and then fight Usyk in February 2023 for unification fight providing he beats Joshua. As you said, until the contracts are signed there is no need to get too excited.

I won't get excited until the contracts are signed, and even then I'll be doubtful since last time I believe we had contracts signed, until Wilder came back with that lawsuit. Obviously, Wilder isn't in the equation this time around, but I always doubt that boxing will get the fights made that the fans want to see. I know a lot of people want the Fury vs Uysk fight, but he seems to be wanting that next year, so why not give us one of the most anticipated fights of this era. Personally, I'd much rather see Joshua vs Fury despite me thinking Usyk is better. I ultimately want to see both of them, but that's even more doubtful in my mind to be honest.

Couldn't have really done anything about the last time with Wilder winning the arbitration and I think that was the right decision as the pandemic put a spanner in the works. From both Hearn and Warren it looks like all the details have been formally arranged except the TV rights which is probably going to be tricky given AJ's Dazn deal but they should be able to work something out. I doubt Dazn will get US or UK rights so they'll probably just end up with other worldwide markets like they did with the last Usyk fight but maybe Dazn will want more given they've just shelled out a bucket-load of money for exclusive access to AJ.

[Welsh]

Couldn't have really done anything about the last time with Wilder winning the arbitration and I think that was the right decision as the pandemic put a spanner in the works. From both Hearn and Warren it looks like all the details have been formally arranged except the TV rights which is probably going to be tricky given AJ's Dazn deal but they should be able to work something out. I doubt Dazn will get US or UK rights so they'll probably just end up with other worldwide markets like they did with the last Usyk fight but maybe Dazn will want more given they've just shelled out a bucket-load of money for exclusive access to AJ.

Yeah, it was Wilder there, but it definitely added a little more spice towards their fight, and I'm not unhappy about it after the event, I was a bit annoyed before. However, it was a good fight, and every single one of Fury's, and Wilder's fights were memorable, which you don't often get with some redo's.

I've heard that both Cardiff, and Wembley were suggested? What's the chances of it being hosted in the UK? Usually, these big fights end up being put on in the middle east or the US. I'd love to be able to maybe get some tickets to a UK fight, with arguably the best British heavyweights in quite some time, even if they're starting to go past their prime now.

[hilariousetc]

Couldn't have really done anything about the last time with Wilder winning the arbitration and I think that was the right decision as the pandemic put a spanner in the works. From both Hearn and Warren it looks like all the details have been formally arranged except the TV rights which is probably going to be tricky given AJ's Dazn deal but they should be able to work something out. I doubt Dazn will get US or UK rights so they'll probably just end up with other worldwide markets like they did with the last Usyk fight but maybe Dazn will want more given they've just shelled out a bucket-load of money for exclusive access to AJ.

Yeah, it was Wilder there, but it definitely added a little more spice towards their fight, and I'm not unhappy about it after the event, I was a bit annoyed before. However, it was a good fight, and every single one of Fury's, and Wilder's fights were memorable, which you don't often get with some redo's.

I've heard that both Cardiff, and Wembley were suggested? What's the chances of it being hosted in the UK? Usually, these big fights end up being put on in the middle east or the US. I'd love to be able to maybe get some tickets to a UK fight, with arguably the best British heavyweights in quite some time, even if they're starting to go past their prime now.

I think they're almost certainly having it in the UK, or that's the desired plan from both promoters at least right now. It would make sense since it's an all British heavyweight super fight and it's what the fans have wanted for years. I think there'd be quite an uproar if it wasn't as there's going to be a lot of demand for tickets so they'll want to have it in the largest possible venue in the UK. I'm sure they could hold it in Saudi but it looks like they're more interested in the unification fight against Usyk. Hopefully Usyk will fight Wilder or something as that's a fight both of them have recently said they want. I think Wilder would probably beat Usyk though so it looks like we might see them against each other again. The winner or Wilder V Helenius in the mandatory anyway so Fury will probably see him again pretty soon. Personally I'd watch Fury V Wilder 10 times. I thought the third fight was one of the best boxing fights ever personally. It had everything. A real "Rocky" showdown.

[Welsh]

I think they're almost certainly having it in the UK, or that's the desired plan from both promoters at least right now. It would make sense since it's an all British heavyweight super fight and it's what the fans have wanted for years. I think there'd be quite an uproar if it wasn't as there's going to be a lot of demand for tickets so they'll want to have it in the largest possible venue in the UK. I'm sure they could hold it in Saudi but it looks like they're more interested in the unification fight against Usyk. Hopefully Usyk will fight Wilder or something as that's a fight both of them have recently said they want. I think Wilder would probably beat Usyk though so it looks like we might see them against each other again. The winner or Wilder V Helenius in the mandatory anyway so Fury will probably see him again pretty soon. Personally I'd watch Fury V Wilder 10 times. I thought the third fight was one of the best boxing fights ever personally. It had everything. A real "Rocky" showdown.

Sweet. I can't see it being done in Cardiff, but Wembley or even Manchester or something would be pretty nice to see. I can't remember the last time we had a major fight in the UK, feels like forever. Plus, it'll be refreshing to see, as I assume they'd likely get more money in Saudi or possibly even the US. Although, being British fighters I do find they haven't got the same draw that an American would, weirdly enough. Especially, now that Joshua has lost quite a few of his recent fights.

I wouldn't mind seeing Usyk vs Wilder. I'm not sure who would win, but I imagine Wilder does catch him. I thought Usyk despite all the praise he gets for being agile was very hittable in that last two Joshua fights, it's just Joshua seems to have lost that brawling style that everyone loved him for.

Again, wouldn't mind a Fury vs Wilder again, since they've always been memorable. I would prefer Fury to go against Usyk, and potentially clear up the division though, so there's no excuses, and there's no one claiming x was better. I'm not even sure why Wilder gets criticised as much as he does, of course I understand with the cheating allegations, and the damn stupid suit excuse, but ultimately on every single one of those fights he showed a warrior spirit, and if wasn't for those excuses he's a boxer that I'd have the upmost respect for. He basically never gives up, despite being technically outclassed for most of his fights, and he usually, apart from the Fury fights finds a way to win.

[Baofeng]

And we will see if someone if bluffing, and if either camp are really interested to make the fight. Or Joshua wanted it but he needs some tune up so there will be no fight at least this 2022. So we will see, all roads still goes to Tyson Fury in the end.

Which, might I add has happened before between these guys. There was a lot of speculation, and finger pointing, and it seems that it wasn't actually Joshua's fault last time. You could probably put the blame on Fury if you wanted too, but ultimately that court case was out of his control. However, you would've thought they'd not make any agreements knowing that the case could go either way. Ultimately, I do think it was for publicity, and for building a story, as I suspect they would've had some sort of idea how that hearing would've played out.

Obviously, that hearing also created a storyline for the last Wilder vs Fury, because so many fans were gutted that the Fury vs Joshua fight didn't happen. So, I'm always sceptical of how boxing works, since I know they try anything, and everything for marketing. Somewhat the reason why I've stopped following it as much as I did a few years ago.

And also if I may add as well, this fight could have been made, if not for the court case and then Joshua losing 2 fights on Usyk. But there are still financial incentives for them, again in the story line of all British fight and it should be held on their soil.

So if we are going to look at it, perhaps they have agreed upon before. So there should be no hindrance this fight if the fight is going to happen. There are dates and venues already, it's just not everything in paper and sign by this two fighters.

[Welsh]

So if we are going to look at it, perhaps they have agreed upon before. So there should be no hindrance this fight if the fight is going to happen. There are dates and venues already, it's just not everything in paper and sign by this two fighters.

Well, yeah there shouldn't be. Since, if you were to believe the headlines at the time they already worked out a split. Obviously, things have happened in the meantime, but I don't think the terms would need to change really. It needs to be in the UK, and they should just split the money. Although, obviously Fury will want more. I'd do a gentleman's agreement, and just go with the same terms they allegedly struck up last time.

One of the most frustrating things in boxing is the big fights not being made, but from Eddie Hearne's point of view, Joshua's days are numbered as a title challenger, and Fury also will probably be looking at two more fights, and then proper retirement. Whereas, Usyk also probably has similar thoughts. These guys have already had massive success each, and are getting on. So, it makes sense to just cash in, and make the fights against each other. That lines the promoters pockets, while also satisfying the fans.

[Baofeng]

So if we are going to look at it, perhaps they have agreed upon before. So there should be no hindrance this fight if the fight is going to happen. There are dates and venues already, it's just not everything in paper and sign by this two fighters.

Well, yeah there shouldn't be. Since, if you were to believe the headlines at the time they already worked out a split. Obviously, things have happened in the meantime, but I don't think the terms would need to change really. It needs to be in the UK, and they should just split the money. Although, obviously Fury will want more. I'd do a gentleman's agreement, and just go with the same terms they allegedly struck up last time.

Yes, I would like to think that this fight should happen in the UK. But not sure if Fury will like the idea of a 50/50 split now since Joshua doesn't have the belt. But a offer of 60/40 from them is just about right as we have been discussing.

One of the most frustrating things in boxing is the big fights not being made, but from Eddie Hearne's point of view, Joshua's days are numbered as a title challenger, and Fury also will probably be looking at two more fights, and then proper retirement. Whereas, Usyk also probably has similar thoughts. These guys have already had massive success each, and are getting on. So, it makes sense to just cash in, and make the fights against each other. That lines the promoters pockets, while also satisfying the fans.

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

[TopTort777]

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

[Baofeng]

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

Yeah, he can fight the Otto Walins and Andy Ruiz' of the division. But he will never be the same after his back to back lost to Usyk. He once was HW bankable star, but once he was exposed by Andy Ruiz, then chance is style, fought Usyk suffered a back to back lost, his stock is not the same as it used to be. And if by chance he lost to Fury, then goes after Wilder, and again in any case he lost that one they he will fight second rate fighters, of course, the money is there but it won't be as big as he was the top dog of the HW. So he is on a dangerous position right now, whether he take the bait from Fury's camp or not.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQd_rdiQ5Ko

"EDDIE HEARN ADMITS, FURY VS JOSHUA BROADCASTING RIGHTS AN ISSUE; out of our hands"

As expected, it looks like the TV rights are going to be the ultimate hurdle. This is obviously the Tyson Fury show but dazn are going to want their fair share since they've paid for it with the AJ exclusive but I can't see them getting what they want. I'm sure they're looking at a 50/50 or 60/40 split but that isn't going to happen if Fury's camp is in charge.

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

I don't know where people get this logic from that a fighter is done after a couple of losses. AJ isn't expected to beat Fury either so as long as he puts in a good performance people will give him props. There's plenty of options for AJ after this fight. Him against Wilder would be huge, but I don't think AJ beats Wilder. Aj can do the Ruiz trilogy, or maybe even Usyk again for another trilogy at some point. Then of course Matchroom has a lot of fighters they could throw at him for easy fights - Chisora, Whyte again etc. Dazn have got exclusive rights for his fights so they're going to want to start seeing their moneys worth from him so I'd expect to see him fighting quite often soon enough. If this Fury fight doesn't get made I'm sure we will see him fighting someone on Matchroom's roster before the end of the year.

[Darker45]

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

I quite agree that Joshua's days at the top are done. The losses and even the emotional breakdown right after the fight are a big sign that his career is now facing its end. Of course, he could continue fighting second-rate fighters. But the truth is that he's not anymore an elite fighter. But, yes, a lot of fighters would still want to face him and it's because he'd serve as a great stepping stone and he'd also be giving his opponent a bigger paycheck. 

[JollyGood]

Agreeing to the fight is one thing but making it actually happen is a different matter altogether. I see no reason for Joshua to drag his heels, he should be jumping at the chance to win the WBC belt and be the first boxer to beat Fury but he is not ready to face Fury. He should have rejected the fight and had a couple of warm ups before trying to match up to someone like Fury.

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels?

It is better for Joshua to drag his heels, I think he was too quick to give fury the impression on social media that he was down for this fight. There's a lot for him at risk especially his career and he has to think really hard before giving a concrete decision. On the twist side of his dwindling career, a victory in this fight may just be a resuscitation to his record after suffering successive defeats. Fury is a big name in the fighting industry but he is not impossible to beat, Joshua just has to work harder and go harder if he truly has agreed to the fight.

[Baofeng]

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

I quite agree that Joshua's days at the top are done. The losses and even the emotional breakdown right after the fight are a big sign that his career is now facing its end. Of course, he could continue fighting second-rate fighters. But the truth is that he's not anymore an elite fighter. But, yes, a lot of fighters would still want to face him and it's because he'd serve as a great stepping stone and he'd also be giving his opponent a bigger paycheck. 

Yes and it maybe true that the media or Eddie Hearn build Fury and his career and everyone buys on that idea. But know that he is obviously exposed as not in the level of elite fighters and his mentally has change his he tastes his first defeat against the hands of Andy Ruiz, his aura of invincibility has been shattered.

Not sure though if he be a stepping stone because I haven't seen any young Heavyweight boxers coming up in ranks. But he will be just a second rate boxers, Usyk has taken his soul already.

[JollyGood]

Tyson Fury has told Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua they have until Monday 26th September 2022 to sign the contract for the fight otherwise he will walk away.

Fury is obviously agitated and upset because he is desperate to get in the ring and beat either Usyk or Joshua but he is being hampered. Fury made every possible offer including date options and a 60/40 share of the fight purse because he desperately wanted to fight Joshua.

Fury said "If you want to play the game, come to the banquet and take your seat", you have laugh at the lines Fury comes out with  

Here is another: "Sign the contract, I'm going to smash your face in"  

Hearn made it clear Joshua will not be signing the fight contract, his excuse was there was not enough time to do various things before signing. That shows Hearn and Joshua as being frightened to accept the offer when he said "No chance".

Joshua later clarified he will sign the contract but not on Monday (tomorrow) but he did not say when he will do it either but claims the fight for 3rd December 2022 will go ahead  

This clearly shows Joshua is trying to escape getting in the ring with Fury because he simply is not good enough to beat him and he does not want to have a record showing three consecutive losses. He probably would jump at the chance of fighting Fury in a unification fight if he was not beaten by Usyk but those days are over. It looks like this is probably the only opportunity Joshua was going to get to fight Fury and he was too scared to take it.

Fury was right when he said: "I'm not waiting around for some guy who's lost three of his last five fights. He's lucky that I'm giving him a world title shot. If not he'll have to wait a long time to get another one.

"I don't mind chucking him a bone. But I don't want him to start dictating [stuff] to me. He is an invited guest at my party. My rules. So if you want to play the game, come to the banquet and take your seat. If not, go to your own banquet."

[Bananington]

Tyson Fury Says Anthony Joshua Fight Is Off After Contract Deadline Passes
The fight is officially off the table now as Anthony Joshua's side did not sign the contract before the deadline. People will see AJ as a coward, but it doesn't matter, fury would have used him for practice and ruined his career the more.

Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

[coin-investor]

Tyson Fury Says Anthony Joshua Fight Is Off After Contract Deadline Passes
The fight is officially off the table now as Anthony Joshua's side did not sign the contract before the deadline. People will see AJ as a coward, but it doesn't matter, fury would have used him for practice and ruined his career the more.

Based on the article you provided he will eventually sign the contract but of course, talks are different than having your signature on the contract, AJ's legal team is looking into the contract but Fury's giving him a fair share of the purse and a title bid what more can he ask for.

If he will not sign I back up his decision because this fight could send his career into oblivion, it's a very risky fight for AJ he can come back later to build his reputation and add more skills to get his motivation up again.

[wxa7115]

Tyson Fury Says Anthony Joshua Fight Is Off After Contract Deadline Passes
The fight is officially off the table now as Anthony Joshua's side did not sign the contract before the deadline. People will see AJ as a coward, but it doesn't matter, fury would have used him for practice and ruined his career the more.

Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

Even if I think the majority of the boxing fans think that Joshua has almost no chance of beating Fury, there is a big difference between losing above the ring and losing before even getting above the ring.

To me this is even more damaging for Joshua, the fight with Fury is exactly what he needs to try to rebuild his career, plus the money being offered was good too, what else could Joshua possibly want? The only other possibilities that he may have is to fight Wilder or Ruiz, and neither of those two fights is going to be as good as a fight with Fury.

[OgNasty]

Even if I think the majority of the boxing fans think that Joshua has almost no chance of beating Fury, there is a big difference between losing above the ring and losing before even getting above the ring.

To me this is even more damaging for Joshua, the fight with Fury is exactly what he needs to try to rebuild his career, plus the money being offered was good too, what else could Joshua possibly want? The only other possibilities that he may have is to fight Wilder or Ruiz, and neither of those two fights is going to be as good as a fight with Fury.

Ya, I don't think Joshua matched up well against Fury at all.  I think he probably would have lost and had a very long night while doing so.  I can understand why for his career's sake, he didn't want to do it.  Although I'm not sure he can get more money elsewhere.  If it's about getting paid and going about your day, I think he should've taken the fight.  The fact he didn't makes me think he believes he's still got a long career ahead of him in boxing.

[yazher]

Ya, I don't think Joshua matched up well against Fury at all.  I think he probably would have lost and had a very long night while doing so.  I can understand why for his career's sake, he didn't want to do it.  Although I'm not sure he can get more money elsewhere.  If it's about getting paid and going about your day, I think he should've taken the fight.  The fact he didn't makes me think he believes he's still got a long career ahead of him in boxing.

I think, right now this is the only good fight available for Fury because he has already done with Wilder anyway. Now he really needs to beat this guy and continue to just simply earn a win. Maybe this is not a bad fight at all because we know Joshua has some skills that will gonna make the fight interesting and entertaining to watch. Hopefully, he won't get down easily and will manage to survive until the final rounds.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lS_eVNthFw

Looks like the fight is still possibly on. According to Tyson himself Dazn, BT Sports and ESPN have all agreed a broadcasting deal and in my opinion that was going to be the biggest stumbling block as all parties will want their fare share of the pie which was probably a difficult thing to do. Not sure what is holding the contract back from being signed now though. Fury seems to have capitulated on a lot according to the video and if he's to be believed. Hearn as been MIA all week from interviews so hopefully he gives an update soon.

[TopTort777]

Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

Is this a joke? Who is Charr, and who is Fury? I think Fury can take several Mahmoud Charr's during one event; Charr will be just an appetizer for Fury. Mahmoud Charr hasnt faced a good boxer in his career, had 3 year pause in his career and lost to a cruiserweight by KO. And that guy is willing to face current top1 boxer in the world ? The only person who wants that fight is Charr and money is his only motive.

[Baofeng]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lS_eVNthFw

Looks like the fight is still possibly on. According to Tyson himself Dazn, BT Sports and ESPN have all agreed a broadcasting deal and in my opinion that was going to be the biggest stumbling block as all parties will want their fare share of the pie which was probably a difficult thing to do. Not sure what is holding the contract back from being signed now though. Fury seems to have capitulated on a lot according to the video and if he's to be believed. Hearn as been MIA all week from interviews so hopefully he gives an update soon.

Good, and I do agree that network sponsorship or at least broadcasting is a deal breaker for any fight of this magnitude. So if they are mature enough to sit down and discussed as to who is getting what kind of percentage, then Fury and AJ can be made.

So if we are going to believed everything here, the ball is on Hearn and Matchroom and see what will be their counter offer. Hearn has been in the media recently though so for sure he will pop up to either contradict or confirm what has been said here.

[Fundamentals Of]

If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

[hilariousetc]

Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

Is this a joke? Who is Charr, and who is Fury? I think Fury can take several Mahmoud Charr's during one event; Charr will be just an appetizer for Fury. Mahmoud Charr hasnt faced a good boxer in his career, had 3 year pause in his career and lost to a cruiserweight by KO. And that guy is willing to face current top1 boxer in the world ? The only person who wants that fight is Charr and money is his only motive.

A nobody. It's obviously just an easy tune up fight to keep the ring rust off before the Usyk fight next year. Nobody wants to see it though but it's probably who Tyson will fight if this AJ fight doesn't get sorted. According to Charr he signed a three fight deal to fight under Queensbury so Warren will probably just use him as a journeyman for his fighters.

If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

I think it is a tougher challenge on paper, but sometimes fighting someone the same size has it's advantages. Usyk was much smaller and very agile, so harder to hit. Tyson and AJ are almost identical in stats, though Fury does have very small advantages is size and reach etc, but I think AJ will be able to hit him easier than Usyk. There's bad blood between Fury and AJ and has been for a long time, and Fury has only been adding fuel to the fire recently with the insults so that could maybe spur AJ on. AJ will also know that this is his chance to redeem himself so hopefully he doesn't waste the opportunity and fights like his life is on the line. AJ doesn't even need to win the fight as most people are expecting him to lose; all he needs to do is give a great performance and that will be enough for most. If it's a close fight they'll probably immediately call for the rematch as well, especially if it makes a fuck tonne of money, which it probably will. If this fight happens then they already have the deal for the rematch in there with a 50/50 split so it will be very easy to get sorted.

[coin-investor]

If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

Joshua will have to present himself well in the conferences he is the heavy underdog here and he needs to make people believe that this is his another chance to become a champion, but anyway I looked at it he's not going to win here, Fury just wants him to be another feather on his cap, Joshua has no advantage over Fury, he will have to get that earphone he loves to carry when he is in front of Fury, Fury will give him a lot of dose of thrash talks, I hope Joshua can stand the thrash talks, he is not only the king of a gypsy but also the king of thrash talks

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

Style could be contrasting though, so it's really hard to see how it will turn out and in paper it seems that Fury has all the advantage, power, speed, skills. But who knows, Joshua's back is against the wall, he need to make a good fight and win. And if this is going to be his defining moments, then he could win and pull one of the biggest upset. Let's wait for the official announcement. We have been waiting for this fight to happen many years ago and despite losing 2 to Usyk, maybe Joshua has still something in him as the stake is bigger here.

[Boristhecat]

Today on the news I saw Charrs trash talk who is outraged that Fury will continue negotiations with Joshua's team. Looks too fake, looks like it's just a blowing up the hype(an attempt haha) before this miserable fight. Now I am 95% sure that they will try to sell us this "super" Fury-Charr fight.
However, I was initially skeptical about the fact that the Fury-Joshua fight could be organized so quickly, so no surprise.

[Welsh]

I'm a fan of Fury, probably my favourite boxer. Although, it's hard to defend him when he's doing exactly what I dislike about boxing. The big fights just never happen, and it's exhausting. Also, the fact that he fake retires every other week. It gets exhausting. This is exactly the reason I looked to MMA, because at least the big fights happen, and they happen frequently.

I always assumed it was the promoters that were behind it, but it does seem Fury's just playing games, and having fun in his own head. At least Joshua looks like he wants to get the business done, despite being a heavy underdog. I don't know if this is an attempt to drum up attention for the fight by Fury, but he doesn't even need to sell this event. This is a classic among British fans, and assuming that's where it's likely to end up being at, there's very little publicity that actually needs to be done.

I don't know what to make of it, but it's exhausting, and highlights exactly what's wrong with boxing.

[aioc]

I'm a fan of Fury, probably my favourite boxer. Although, it's hard to defend him when he's doing exactly what I dislike about boxing. The big fights just never happen, and it's exhausting. Also, the fact that he fake retires every other week. It gets exhausting. This is exactly the reason I looked to MMA, because at least the big fights happen, and they happen frequently.

I always assumed it was the promoters that were behind it, but it does seem Fury's just playing games, and having fun in his own head. At least Joshua looks like he wants to get the business done, despite being a heavy underdog. I don't know if this is an attempt to drum up attention for the fight by Fury, but he doesn't even need to sell this event. This is a classic among British fans, and assuming that's where it's likely to end up being at, there's very little publicity that actually needs to be done.

I don't know what to make of it, but it's exhausting, and highlights exactly what's wrong with boxing.

It's hanging now, it looks like the fight will not push through, and based on the statement of Joshua they have done their thing but Fury just pull out of the fight, we need to hear Fury's side of the story, he is the one that offers the fight he sent the contract and maybe because of waiting too long he just wants to make it happen anymore, we'll see the development of the talks Fury can go back because this will be an easy fight for him.

[TopTort777]

Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

Is this a joke? Who is Charr, and who is Fury? I think Fury can take several Mahmoud Charr's during one event; Charr will be just an appetizer for Fury. Mahmoud Charr hasnt faced a good boxer in his career, had 3 year pause in his career and lost to a cruiserweight by KO. And that guy is willing to face current top1 boxer in the world ? The only person who wants that fight is Charr and money is his only motive.

A nobody. It's obviously just an easy tune up fight to keep the ring rust off before the Usyk fight next year. Nobody wants to see it though but it's probably who Tyson will fight if this AJ fight doesn't get sorted. According to Charr he signed a three fight deal to fight under Queensbury so Warren will probably just use him as a journeyman for his fighters.

But wasnt Fury the one who mentioned retirement first, then he challenged AJ, spoke about Usyk. And now he accepts to to keep the ring rust off with Charr? I barely see any logic behind this all. You want to fight best or try to scare with retirement, and now we see a fight against Charr. Now we get info from AJ that Fury pulls of the fight... Boxing is turning into Santa Barbara. But I guess this is all due everyone just want a bigger cheque.

[btc_angela]

Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

Is this a joke? Who is Charr, and who is Fury? I think Fury can take several Mahmoud Charr's during one event; Charr will be just an appetizer for Fury. Mahmoud Charr hasnt faced a good boxer in his career, had 3 year pause in his career and lost to a cruiserweight by KO. And that guy is willing to face current top1 boxer in the world ? The only person who wants that fight is Charr and money is his only motive.

A nobody. It's obviously just an easy tune up fight to keep the ring rust off before the Usyk fight next year. Nobody wants to see it though but it's probably who Tyson will fight if this AJ fight doesn't get sorted. According to Charr he signed a three fight deal to fight under Queensbury so Warren will probably just use him as a journeyman for his fighters.

But wasnt Fury the one who mentioned retirement first, then he challenged AJ, spoke about Usyk. And now he accepts to to keep the ring rust off with Charr? I barely see any logic behind this all. You want to fight best or try to scare with retirement, and now we see a fight against Charr. Now we get info from AJ that Fury pulls of the fight... Boxing is turning into Santa Barbara. But I guess this is all due everyone just want a bigger cheque.

It's really crazy out there, with all the hype and then all the news releasing in the social media that you really don't know who to believed at this point. Hearn and Joshua says that they are willing to sit down and negotiate, and now it seem the fight is off? Who's fault it is? And then we have a nobody trying to be the next big time in Heavyweight and Fury is going to fight him? Why not Fury just go with his retirement, until either Usyk or Joshua is available instead of fighting Charr?

[Welsh]

It's hanging now, it looks like the fight will not push through, and based on the statement of Joshua they have done their thing but Fury just pull out of the fight, we need to hear Fury's side of the story, he is the one that offers the fight he sent the contract and maybe because of waiting too long he just wants to make it happen anymore, we'll see the development of the talks Fury can go back because this will be an easy fight for him.

I'm not all that interested in what their side has got to say, just get it done. Anything else is just going to annoy me, and the rest of the fans I'd imagine. I'm not interested in the politics I just want this fight to happen. Personally for me, and I think I've said this before I want this fight more than the Usyk fight. That fight I'm not even all that excited for. I'd ideally like both, but I think I'm being a little bit optimistic considering these fights always take months at a time, and a whole bunch of chatter on the side.

Usyk will probably fight Wilder before Fury, and that fight will probably take an age to make. I see Usyk actually losing that one too.

[Fundamentals Of]

If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

I think it is a tougher challenge on paper, but sometimes fighting someone the same size has it's advantages. Usyk was much smaller and very agile, so harder to hit. Tyson and AJ are almost identical in stats, though Fury does have very small advantages is size and reach etc, but I think AJ will be able to hit him easier than Usyk. There's bad blood between Fury and AJ and has been for a long time, and Fury has only been adding fuel to the fire recently with the insults so that could maybe spur AJ on. AJ will also know that this is his chance to redeem himself so hopefully he doesn't waste the opportunity and fights like his life is on the line. AJ doesn't even need to win the fight as most people are expecting him to lose; all he needs to do is give a great performance and that will be enough for most. If it's a close fight they'll probably immediately call for the rematch as well, especially if it makes a fuck tonne of money, which it probably will. If this fight happens then they already have the deal for the rematch in there with a 50/50 split so it will be very easy to get sorted.

I think it is only on paper that this match will be a competitive one. In reality, this match is most probably lopsided in favor of Fury. This might end up like a fight between a lion and a donkey. I guess the truth is that Joshua doesn't belong to the class of Fury.

In terms of stats, I don't consider them identical. 3 inches in reach advantage for example is significant enough. Especially in size, it's not only a very small advantage that Fury has over Joshua. He's a much bigger man.

I agree that Joshua only needs to show a great performance against Fury. That he'll be defeated is almost a guarantee, so he only needs to prove that he's worth an opponent. But a 50/50 purse split for a potential rematch is not going to happen.

[Baofeng]

It's hanging now, it looks like the fight will not push through, and based on the statement of Joshua they have done their thing but Fury just pull out of the fight, we need to hear Fury's side of the story, he is the one that offers the fight he sent the contract and maybe because of waiting too long he just wants to make it happen anymore, we'll see the development of the talks Fury can go back because this will be an easy fight for him.

I'm not all that interested in what their side has got to say, just get it done. Anything else is just going to annoy me, and the rest of the fans I'd imagine. I'm not interested in the politics I just want this fight to happen. Personally for me, and I think I've said this before I want this fight more than the Usyk fight. That fight I'm not even all that excited for. I'd ideally like both, but I think I'm being a little bit optimistic considering these fights always take months at a time, and a whole bunch of chatter on the side.

And it's just so crazy that Fury pushing for it, then issuing a ultimatum on Joshua, and then saying that he will be fighting a unknown in Charr? What will be get out if it? Money is him and Joshua simple as that.

Come to think about it why Charr though? Joe Joyce won recently, and he is promoted by Frank Warren, both of them, so it doesn't make sense for Fury to choose Charr unless he wants an easy fight this December. Or just simply playing mind games as usual with Joshua and his camp.

[coin-investor]

.....Joe Joyce won recently, and he is promoted by Frank Warren, both of them, so it doesn't make sense for Fury to choose Charr unless he wants an easy fight this December. Or just simply playing mind games as usual with Joshua and his camp.

Unless it's a mandatory opponent Fury can pick or even cherry-picked fighter of his choosing, Joe Joyce is a good choice for a great matchup but I'm sure he still wants the Joshua fight, he just wants Joshua to speed up the process of agreeing to the fight, Fury has a huge advantage on a fight against any of Joshua or Charr but not on Joyce, so he is not setting his eyes on Joyce, he knows he's a threat to his title and legacy.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

.....Joe Joyce won recently, and he is promoted by Frank Warren, both of them, so it doesn't make sense for Fury to choose Charr unless he wants an easy fight this December. Or just simply playing mind games as usual with Joshua and his camp.

Unless it's a mandatory opponent Fury can pick or even cherry-picked fighter of his choosing, Joe Joyce is a good choice for a great matchup but I'm sure he still wants the Joshua fight, he just wants Joshua to speed up the process of agreeing to the fight, Fury has a huge advantage on a fight against any of Joshua or Charr but not on Joyce, so he is not setting his eyes on Joyce, he knows he's a threat to his title and legacy.

Not sure, Joyce a threat to Fury? Fury is above all they boxers in the heavyweight right now.

And also Joyce volunteered as well to fight Joshua if his fight with Fury does not materialized. And I would say that Joshua has the good chance to beat Joyce.

But we all want the British showdown between Fury vs Joshua, less than that, fans might not watch or hype about who is either one of them are going to face next.

[wxa7115]

It's hanging now, it looks like the fight will not push through, and based on the statement of Joshua they have done their thing but Fury just pull out of the fight, we need to hear Fury's side of the story, he is the one that offers the fight he sent the contract and maybe because of waiting too long he just wants to make it happen anymore, we'll see the development of the talks Fury can go back because this will be an easy fight for him.

I'm not all that interested in what their side has got to say, just get it done. Anything else is just going to annoy me, and the rest of the fans I'd imagine. I'm not interested in the politics I just want this fight to happen. Personally for me, and I think I've said this before I want this fight more than the Usyk fight. That fight I'm not even all that excited for. I'd ideally like both, but I think I'm being a little bit optimistic considering these fights always take months at a time, and a whole bunch of chatter on the side.

Usyk will probably fight Wilder before Fury, and that fight will probably take an age to make. I see Usyk actually losing that one too.

Agreed, I love boxing but it is exhausting the games promoters and even boxers play in order for the fights to actually happen, it seems they really think that doing something like this encourages more people to actually watch the fights.

And who knows maybe it does? In my case I will watch a fight if I think the fight is going to be any good, but maybe I am a weirdo and people love the politics and the mind games, and this is why they are so prevalent in the world boxing.

[JollyGood]

The fight is officially off. Here is the article




John Fury (father of Tyosn Fury) has embarrassed and taunted Eddie Hearn by saying his failure to sign a deal to fight Tyson Fury means Joshua will not receive a £100 million payment for the fight.

[TopTort777]

In the given article, it is said that Derek Chisora was offered contract to fight Fury. The name Mahmoud Charr also appeared in this topic as Fury's next opponent. Also Fury was interested Usyk's belts and to fight AJ. And in the same time Fury wanted to retire. Either I am confusing something, or Fury wants to fight anybody and nobody.

[yazher]

In the given article, it is said that Derek Chisora was offered contract to fight Fury. The name Mahmoud Charr also appeared in this topic as Fury's next opponent. Also Fury was interested Usyk's belts and to fight AJ. And in the same time Fury wanted to retire. Either I am confusing something, or Fury wants to fight anybody and nobody.

That's really confusing I think the best answer is Fury might have some medical condition to not continue his career as a boxer anymore and since he has the best record with no losses, it is better for him to step down and be one of the legendary boxers that will gonna have this amazing record. That's only my two cents if we want to translate this article. Anyway, since he is not yet old, maybe they will still pursue having a fight with Usyk since that fight will still be a big money for them since he will be against a Ukrainian guy, not his ordinary opponents.

[Welsh]

I don't know why I get my hopes up. It's the same old story with boxing. While I'm sure both camps will blame one, another. The fans will likely pick a side too, but honestly every big event is always the same. Plus, I'm of the belief that Joshua, and Fury have been avoiding each other for many years now. Not necessarily the fighters, but their promoters trying to get the cash cows going for as long as they can.

As a result if we ever do get this fight, it'll likely be when both fighters are out of their prime, which you could argue that both fighters have been showing signs of decline, especially Joshua. It'll be a joke when both of them go on to make fights with cans. I wish we could just boycott the sport until they start making the fights that the fans want, actually happen.

[TopTort777]

I understand what you mean, it will be like Canelo vs GGG 3 fight. The fight everyone wanted, but the fight that happened to late. No wonder if that will be Fury's last fight. And Eddie Hearn will become as hateful Don King.

Frankly speaking, if their fight happens now or next half year, it wont be interesting to watch, as I think it will be Fury's pure dominance and sunset of AJ career. I'd better re-watch Fury vs Wilder 1, than see AJ destroyed.

[Baofeng]

I don't know why I get my hopes up. It's the same old story with boxing. While I'm sure both camps will blame one, another. The fans will likely pick a side too, but honestly every big event is always the same. Plus, I'm of the belief that Joshua, and Fury have been avoiding each other for many years now. Not necessarily the fighters, but their promoters trying to get the cash cows going for as long as they can.

As a result if we ever do get this fight, it'll likely be when both fighters are out of their prime, which you could argue that both fighters have been showing signs of decline, especially Joshua. It'll be a joke when both of them go on to make fights with cans. I wish we could just boycott the sport until they start making the fights that the fans want, actually happen.

Yes, you are absolutely right. This has been like the cycle, the last superfight that we have seen Floyd vs Manny took years to made when one of them are in the decline and obviously, the fight is not what we have expected as it was a snoozer.

And this could be what is likely going to happen if ever this fight is going to be made in the future. And Joshua will bt the Pacquiao, damage good already, and then Fury is Floyd, 0 loses, and still very much in his prime years.

[wxa7115]

I don't know why I get my hopes up. It's the same old story with boxing. While I'm sure both camps will blame one, another. The fans will likely pick a side too, but honestly every big event is always the same. Plus, I'm of the belief that Joshua, and Fury have been avoiding each other for many years now. Not necessarily the fighters, but their promoters trying to get the cash cows going for as long as they can.

As a result if we ever do get this fight, it'll likely be when both fighters are out of their prime, which you could argue that both fighters have been showing signs of decline, especially Joshua. It'll be a joke when both of them go on to make fights with cans. I wish we could just boycott the sport until they start making the fights that the fans want, actually happen.

Yes, you are absolutely right. This has been like the cycle, the last superfight that we have seen Floyd vs Manny took years to made when one of them are in the decline and obviously, the fight is not what we have expected as it was a snoozer.

And this could be what is likely going to happen if ever this fight is going to be made in the future. And Joshua will bt the Pacquiao, damage good already, and then Fury is Floyd, 0 loses, and still very much in his prime years.

This is so infuriating, they could have kept the negotiations a secret and in the case they refused to fight each other at least the fans would not be disappointed by the fact the fight is not taking place.

But of course this is not what happened, they did everything to make this public and create hype only for the fight to not occur at all, and now by the time it happens, if it happens at all, then most likely it will be when they are out of their prime or even many years later as an exhibition fight, similar to the ones which are so popular these days.