[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Heavyweight Battle of Britain - FURY vs JOSHUA

[JollyGood]

Joshua seems to have taken up the offer for the fight on 3rd December 2022: Here



Even though all the signs are beginning to build up that the fight will go ahead, I am not 100% convinced. I am not sure if it is possible Fury will fight Joshua on 3rd December 2022 and then fight Usyk in February 2023 for unification fight providing he beats Joshua. As you said, until the contracts are signed there is no need to get too excited.

Hearn has said he's accepted the offer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaL7pwVjjAA

But he's still rightfully sceptical that this isn't just some mind games or a way to grab more money for a Usyk fight. Looks like Frank Warren has the Millennium stadium reserved already so they could use that but he probably already had that for a Fury to fight some bum and that will likely still happen if the fight falls through. Until the contracts get signed then I wouldn't get too exited because it's going to be a squeeze to get a fight of this magnitude sorted in time. Either way, I'm sure we'll find out soon because even if they don't fight each other they'll be fighting someone else and will have to start promoting those matches.

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[Rruchi man]

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels?

It is better for Joshua to drag his heels, I think he was too quick to give fury the impression on social media that he was down for this fight. There's a lot for him at risk especially his career and he has to think really hard before giving a concrete decision. On the twist side of his dwindling career, a victory in this fight may just be a resuscitation to his record after suffering successive defeats. Fury is a big name in the fighting industry but he is not impossible to beat, Joshua just has to work harder and go harder if he truly has agreed to the fight.

[Welsh]

Even though all the signs are beginning to build up that the fight will go ahead, I am not 100% convinced. I am not sure if it is possible Fury will fight Joshua on 3rd December 2022 and then fight Usyk in February 2023 for unification fight providing he beats Joshua. As you said, until the contracts are signed there is no need to get too excited.

I won't get excited until the contracts are signed, and even then I'll be doubtful since last time I believe we had contracts signed, until Wilder came back with that lawsuit. Obviously, Wilder isn't in the equation this time around, but I always doubt that boxing will get the fights made that the fans want to see. I know a lot of people want the Fury vs Uysk fight, but he seems to be wanting that next year, so why not give us one of the most anticipated fights of this era. Personally, I'd much rather see Joshua vs Fury despite me thinking Usyk is better. I ultimately want to see both of them, but that's even more doubtful in my mind to be honest.

[Darker45]

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels?

It is better for Joshua to drag his heels, I think he was too quick to give fury the impression on social media that he was down for this fight. There's a lot for him at risk especially his career and he has to think really hard before giving a concrete decision. On the twist side of his dwindling career, a victory in this fight may just be a resuscitation to his record after suffering successive defeats. Fury is a big name in the fighting industry but he is not impossible to beat, Joshua just has to work harder and go harder if he truly has agreed to the fight.

Joshua is not getting any younger. And it is clear that his career is also facing its eventual end. And it seems Joshua's successive losses have already taken their toll on his psychological health. It seems to me, there's really nothing to risk here for Joshua. I guess it's just right that he will prepare for this match. If this match will be postponed, he'd be fighting a lesser known fighter and he could still be defeated. And he won't be able to fight Fury anymore. Fury is probably a win-win option for Joshua right now.

[Boristhecat]

I won't get excited until the contracts are signed, and even then I'll be doubtful since last time I believe we had contracts signed, until Wilder came back with that lawsuit. Obviously, Wilder isn't in the equation this time around, but I always doubt that boxing will get the fights made that the fans want to see. I know a lot of people want the Fury vs Uysk fight, but he seems to be wanting that next year, so why not give us one of the most anticipated fights of this era. Personally, I'd much rather see Joshua vs Fury despite me thinking Usyk is better. I ultimately want to see both of them, but that's even more doubtful in my mind to be honest.

Same. If I'm not mistaken, if the fight takes place in December of this year, it will be a record (I don't even know for what period of time) in the speed of events between the announcement of the possibility of such a fight and the fight itself. Everyone is used to the fact that major fights take place after lengthy negotiations and preparations, despite the status of AJ, this is a major fight.

[Baofeng]

Even though all the signs are beginning to build up that the fight will go ahead, I am not 100% convinced. I am not sure if it is possible Fury will fight Joshua on 3rd December 2022 and then fight Usyk in February 2023 for unification fight providing he beats Joshua. As you said, until the contracts are signed there is no need to get too excited.

I won't get excited until the contracts are signed, and even then I'll be doubtful since last time I believe we had contracts signed, until Wilder came back with that lawsuit. Obviously, Wilder isn't in the equation this time around, but I always doubt that boxing will get the fights made that the fans want to see. I know a lot of people want the Fury vs Uysk fight, but he seems to be wanting that next year, so why not give us one of the most anticipated fights of this era. Personally, I'd much rather see Joshua vs Fury despite me thinking Usyk is better. I ultimately want to see both of them, but that's even more doubtful in my mind to be honest.

I agree, we need to see the contract sign first or at least there will be an official joint announcement that the fight is going to happen at the end of this year. Otherwise, it will be a lot of social media speculation and finger pointing if the fight is not made.

And we will see if someone if bluffing, and if either camp are really interested to make the fight. Or Joshua wanted it but he needs some tune up so there will be no fight at least this 2022. So we will see, all roads still goes to Tyson Fury in the end.

[Welsh]

And we will see if someone if bluffing, and if either camp are really interested to make the fight. Or Joshua wanted it but he needs some tune up so there will be no fight at least this 2022. So we will see, all roads still goes to Tyson Fury in the end.

Which, might I add has happened before between these guys. There was a lot of speculation, and finger pointing, and it seems that it wasn't actually Joshua's fault last time. You could probably put the blame on Fury if you wanted too, but ultimately that court case was out of his control. However, you would've thought they'd not make any agreements knowing that the case could go either way. Ultimately, I do think it was for publicity, and for building a story, as I suspect they would've had some sort of idea how that hearing would've played out.

Obviously, that hearing also created a storyline for the last Wilder vs Fury, because so many fans were gutted that the Fury vs Joshua fight didn't happen. So, I'm always sceptical of how boxing works, since I know they try anything, and everything for marketing. Somewhat the reason why I've stopped following it as much as I did a few years ago.

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Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels?

It is better for Joshua to drag his heels, I think he was too quick to give fury the impression on social media that he was down for this fight. There's a lot for him at risk especially his career and he has to think really hard before giving a concrete decision. On the twist side of his dwindling career, a victory in this fight may just be a resuscitation to his record after suffering successive defeats. Fury is a big name in the fighting industry but he is not impossible to beat, Joshua just has to work harder and go harder if he truly has agreed to the fight.

He had to act swift. It was a take it or leave it situation with a hasty deadline put in place by Fury and any niggling will have likely cancelled the deal. Hearn even said they tried to get a 60/40 in favour of AJ in the potential rematch but Fury's camp told them to either accept the deal or it's off and AJ just told them to accept all terms so they don't have any excuses as to why the fight didn't happen. It was the right thing to do as 60/40 is a generous offer and he might not ever get the chance to fight Fury again, not to mention he's got an immediate chance to win the belts back which he doesn't deserve right now.  

Even though all the signs are beginning to build up that the fight will go ahead, I am not 100% convinced. I am not sure if it is possible Fury will fight Joshua on 3rd December 2022 and then fight Usyk in February 2023 for unification fight providing he beats Joshua. As you said, until the contracts are signed there is no need to get too excited.

I won't get excited until the contracts are signed, and even then I'll be doubtful since last time I believe we had contracts signed, until Wilder came back with that lawsuit. Obviously, Wilder isn't in the equation this time around, but I always doubt that boxing will get the fights made that the fans want to see. I know a lot of people want the Fury vs Uysk fight, but he seems to be wanting that next year, so why not give us one of the most anticipated fights of this era. Personally, I'd much rather see Joshua vs Fury despite me thinking Usyk is better. I ultimately want to see both of them, but that's even more doubtful in my mind to be honest.

Couldn't have really done anything about the last time with Wilder winning the arbitration and I think that was the right decision as the pandemic put a spanner in the works. From both Hearn and Warren it looks like all the details have been formally arranged except the TV rights which is probably going to be tricky given AJ's Dazn deal but they should be able to work something out. I doubt Dazn will get US or UK rights so they'll probably just end up with other worldwide markets like they did with the last Usyk fight but maybe Dazn will want more given they've just shelled out a bucket-load of money for exclusive access to AJ.

[Welsh]

Couldn't have really done anything about the last time with Wilder winning the arbitration and I think that was the right decision as the pandemic put a spanner in the works. From both Hearn and Warren it looks like all the details have been formally arranged except the TV rights which is probably going to be tricky given AJ's Dazn deal but they should be able to work something out. I doubt Dazn will get US or UK rights so they'll probably just end up with other worldwide markets like they did with the last Usyk fight but maybe Dazn will want more given they've just shelled out a bucket-load of money for exclusive access to AJ.

Yeah, it was Wilder there, but it definitely added a little more spice towards their fight, and I'm not unhappy about it after the event, I was a bit annoyed before. However, it was a good fight, and every single one of Fury's, and Wilder's fights were memorable, which you don't often get with some redo's.

I've heard that both Cardiff, and Wembley were suggested? What's the chances of it being hosted in the UK? Usually, these big fights end up being put on in the middle east or the US. I'd love to be able to maybe get some tickets to a UK fight, with arguably the best British heavyweights in quite some time, even if they're starting to go past their prime now.

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Couldn't have really done anything about the last time with Wilder winning the arbitration and I think that was the right decision as the pandemic put a spanner in the works. From both Hearn and Warren it looks like all the details have been formally arranged except the TV rights which is probably going to be tricky given AJ's Dazn deal but they should be able to work something out. I doubt Dazn will get US or UK rights so they'll probably just end up with other worldwide markets like they did with the last Usyk fight but maybe Dazn will want more given they've just shelled out a bucket-load of money for exclusive access to AJ.

Yeah, it was Wilder there, but it definitely added a little more spice towards their fight, and I'm not unhappy about it after the event, I was a bit annoyed before. However, it was a good fight, and every single one of Fury's, and Wilder's fights were memorable, which you don't often get with some redo's.

I've heard that both Cardiff, and Wembley were suggested? What's the chances of it being hosted in the UK? Usually, these big fights end up being put on in the middle east or the US. I'd love to be able to maybe get some tickets to a UK fight, with arguably the best British heavyweights in quite some time, even if they're starting to go past their prime now.

I think they're almost certainly having it in the UK, or that's the desired plan from both promoters at least right now. It would make sense since it's an all British heavyweight super fight and it's what the fans have wanted for years. I think there'd be quite an uproar if it wasn't as there's going to be a lot of demand for tickets so they'll want to have it in the largest possible venue in the UK. I'm sure they could hold it in Saudi but it looks like they're more interested in the unification fight against Usyk. Hopefully Usyk will fight Wilder or something as that's a fight both of them have recently said they want. I think Wilder would probably beat Usyk though so it looks like we might see them against each other again. The winner or Wilder V Helenius in the mandatory anyway so Fury will probably see him again pretty soon. Personally I'd watch Fury V Wilder 10 times. I thought the third fight was one of the best boxing fights ever personally. It had everything. A real "Rocky" showdown.

[Welsh]

I think they're almost certainly having it in the UK, or that's the desired plan from both promoters at least right now. It would make sense since it's an all British heavyweight super fight and it's what the fans have wanted for years. I think there'd be quite an uproar if it wasn't as there's going to be a lot of demand for tickets so they'll want to have it in the largest possible venue in the UK. I'm sure they could hold it in Saudi but it looks like they're more interested in the unification fight against Usyk. Hopefully Usyk will fight Wilder or something as that's a fight both of them have recently said they want. I think Wilder would probably beat Usyk though so it looks like we might see them against each other again. The winner or Wilder V Helenius in the mandatory anyway so Fury will probably see him again pretty soon. Personally I'd watch Fury V Wilder 10 times. I thought the third fight was one of the best boxing fights ever personally. It had everything. A real "Rocky" showdown.

Sweet. I can't see it being done in Cardiff, but Wembley or even Manchester or something would be pretty nice to see. I can't remember the last time we had a major fight in the UK, feels like forever. Plus, it'll be refreshing to see, as I assume they'd likely get more money in Saudi or possibly even the US. Although, being British fighters I do find they haven't got the same draw that an American would, weirdly enough. Especially, now that Joshua has lost quite a few of his recent fights.

I wouldn't mind seeing Usyk vs Wilder. I'm not sure who would win, but I imagine Wilder does catch him. I thought Usyk despite all the praise he gets for being agile was very hittable in that last two Joshua fights, it's just Joshua seems to have lost that brawling style that everyone loved him for.

Again, wouldn't mind a Fury vs Wilder again, since they've always been memorable. I would prefer Fury to go against Usyk, and potentially clear up the division though, so there's no excuses, and there's no one claiming x was better. I'm not even sure why Wilder gets criticised as much as he does, of course I understand with the cheating allegations, and the damn stupid suit excuse, but ultimately on every single one of those fights he showed a warrior spirit, and if wasn't for those excuses he's a boxer that I'd have the upmost respect for. He basically never gives up, despite being technically outclassed for most of his fights, and he usually, apart from the Fury fights finds a way to win.

[Baofeng]

And we will see if someone if bluffing, and if either camp are really interested to make the fight. Or Joshua wanted it but he needs some tune up so there will be no fight at least this 2022. So we will see, all roads still goes to Tyson Fury in the end.

Which, might I add has happened before between these guys. There was a lot of speculation, and finger pointing, and it seems that it wasn't actually Joshua's fault last time. You could probably put the blame on Fury if you wanted too, but ultimately that court case was out of his control. However, you would've thought they'd not make any agreements knowing that the case could go either way. Ultimately, I do think it was for publicity, and for building a story, as I suspect they would've had some sort of idea how that hearing would've played out.

Obviously, that hearing also created a storyline for the last Wilder vs Fury, because so many fans were gutted that the Fury vs Joshua fight didn't happen. So, I'm always sceptical of how boxing works, since I know they try anything, and everything for marketing. Somewhat the reason why I've stopped following it as much as I did a few years ago.

And also if I may add as well, this fight could have been made, if not for the court case and then Joshua losing 2 fights on Usyk. But there are still financial incentives for them, again in the story line of all British fight and it should be held on their soil.

So if we are going to look at it, perhaps they have agreed upon before. So there should be no hindrance this fight if the fight is going to happen. There are dates and venues already, it's just not everything in paper and sign by this two fighters.

[Welsh]

So if we are going to look at it, perhaps they have agreed upon before. So there should be no hindrance this fight if the fight is going to happen. There are dates and venues already, it's just not everything in paper and sign by this two fighters.

Well, yeah there shouldn't be. Since, if you were to believe the headlines at the time they already worked out a split. Obviously, things have happened in the meantime, but I don't think the terms would need to change really. It needs to be in the UK, and they should just split the money. Although, obviously Fury will want more. I'd do a gentleman's agreement, and just go with the same terms they allegedly struck up last time.

One of the most frustrating things in boxing is the big fights not being made, but from Eddie Hearne's point of view, Joshua's days are numbered as a title challenger, and Fury also will probably be looking at two more fights, and then proper retirement. Whereas, Usyk also probably has similar thoughts. These guys have already had massive success each, and are getting on. So, it makes sense to just cash in, and make the fights against each other. That lines the promoters pockets, while also satisfying the fans.

[Baofeng]

So if we are going to look at it, perhaps they have agreed upon before. So there should be no hindrance this fight if the fight is going to happen. There are dates and venues already, it's just not everything in paper and sign by this two fighters.

Well, yeah there shouldn't be. Since, if you were to believe the headlines at the time they already worked out a split. Obviously, things have happened in the meantime, but I don't think the terms would need to change really. It needs to be in the UK, and they should just split the money. Although, obviously Fury will want more. I'd do a gentleman's agreement, and just go with the same terms they allegedly struck up last time.

Yes, I would like to think that this fight should happen in the UK. But not sure if Fury will like the idea of a 50/50 split now since Joshua doesn't have the belt. But a offer of 60/40 from them is just about right as we have been discussing.

One of the most frustrating things in boxing is the big fights not being made, but from Eddie Hearne's point of view, Joshua's days are numbered as a title challenger, and Fury also will probably be looking at two more fights, and then proper retirement. Whereas, Usyk also probably has similar thoughts. These guys have already had massive success each, and are getting on. So, it makes sense to just cash in, and make the fights against each other. That lines the promoters pockets, while also satisfying the fans.

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

[TopTort777]

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

[Baofeng]

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

Yeah, he can fight the Otto Walins and Andy Ruiz' of the division. But he will never be the same after his back to back lost to Usyk. He once was HW bankable star, but once he was exposed by Andy Ruiz, then chance is style, fought Usyk suffered a back to back lost, his stock is not the same as it used to be. And if by chance he lost to Fury, then goes after Wilder, and again in any case he lost that one they he will fight second rate fighters, of course, the money is there but it won't be as big as he was the top dog of the HW. So he is on a dangerous position right now, whether he take the bait from Fury's camp or not.

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"EDDIE HEARN ADMITS, FURY VS JOSHUA BROADCASTING RIGHTS AN ISSUE; out of our hands"

As expected, it looks like the TV rights are going to be the ultimate hurdle. This is obviously the Tyson Fury show but dazn are going to want their fair share since they've paid for it with the AJ exclusive but I can't see them getting what they want. I'm sure they're looking at a 50/50 or 60/40 split but that isn't going to happen if Fury's camp is in charge.

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

I don't know where people get this logic from that a fighter is done after a couple of losses. AJ isn't expected to beat Fury either so as long as he puts in a good performance people will give him props. There's plenty of options for AJ after this fight. Him against Wilder would be huge, but I don't think AJ beats Wilder. Aj can do the Ruiz trilogy, or maybe even Usyk again for another trilogy at some point. Then of course Matchroom has a lot of fighters they could throw at him for easy fights - Chisora, Whyte again etc. Dazn have got exclusive rights for his fights so they're going to want to start seeing their moneys worth from him so I'd expect to see him fighting quite often soon enough. If this Fury fight doesn't get made I'm sure we will see him fighting someone on Matchroom's roster before the end of the year.

[Darker45]

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

I quite agree that Joshua's days at the top are done. The losses and even the emotional breakdown right after the fight are a big sign that his career is now facing its end. Of course, he could continue fighting second-rate fighters. But the truth is that he's not anymore an elite fighter. But, yes, a lot of fighters would still want to face him and it's because he'd serve as a great stepping stone and he'd also be giving his opponent a bigger paycheck. 

[JollyGood]

Agreeing to the fight is one thing but making it actually happen is a different matter altogether. I see no reason for Joshua to drag his heels, he should be jumping at the chance to win the WBC belt and be the first boxer to beat Fury but he is not ready to face Fury. He should have rejected the fight and had a couple of warm ups before trying to match up to someone like Fury.

Am I the only person here thinking Fury is absolutely 100% serious about wanting this fight to go ahead but Joshua is dragging his heels?

It is better for Joshua to drag his heels, I think he was too quick to give fury the impression on social media that he was down for this fight. There's a lot for him at risk especially his career and he has to think really hard before giving a concrete decision. On the twist side of his dwindling career, a victory in this fight may just be a resuscitation to his record after suffering successive defeats. Fury is a big name in the fighting industry but he is not impossible to beat, Joshua just has to work harder and go harder if he truly has agreed to the fight.

[Baofeng]

Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

I quite agree that Joshua's days at the top are done. The losses and even the emotional breakdown right after the fight are a big sign that his career is now facing its end. Of course, he could continue fighting second-rate fighters. But the truth is that he's not anymore an elite fighter. But, yes, a lot of fighters would still want to face him and it's because he'd serve as a great stepping stone and he'd also be giving his opponent a bigger paycheck. 

Yes and it maybe true that the media or Eddie Hearn build Fury and his career and everyone buys on that idea. But know that he is obviously exposed as not in the level of elite fighters and his mentally has change his he tastes his first defeat against the hands of Andy Ruiz, his aura of invincibility has been shattered.

Not sure though if he be a stepping stone because I haven't seen any young Heavyweight boxers coming up in ranks. But he will be just a second rate boxers, Usyk has taken his soul already.