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This isn't just a win for Hodlonaut; this is a complete loss and utter failure for CSW. I've only had a very quick read of the translated ruling Greg shared above, but here are a few of my favorite quotes (I have taken the liberty of amending a few grammatical errors in the translations): It is clear that Wright did not carry out a signing with keys belonging to Nakamoto, but there is disagreement as to what the purpose of the sessions was. In the court's opinion, these statements [the tweets] have a core of a factual nature, particularly related to Wright lying about being Satoshi Nakamoto and that his attempts to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto are cheating/fraud. The court believes that [Hodlonaut] had sufficient factual grounds to claim that Wright had lied and cheated in his attempt to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. However, statements from these witnesses [CSW's witnesses] relating to whether or not he is Satoshi Nakamoto are not supported by contemporary evidence. The court points out that the evidence brought in the case is not suitable to change the prevailing opinion that Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto. So not only are Hodlonaut's tweets not unlawful, and not only does the court order CSW to pay Hodlonaut ~4 million NOK (which is around $380,000 USD), but the court is pretty clear that all the evidence points to CSW being a fraud.
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October 20, 2022, 09:02:04 PM Last edit: October 21, 2022, 02:13:08 AM by franky1 Merited by NeuroticFish (1), ABCbits (1) |
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So not only are Hodlonaut's tweets not unlawful, and not only does the court order CSW to pay Hodlonaut ~4 million NOK (which is around $380,000 USD), but the court is pretty clear that all the evidence points to CSW being a fraud.
legal costs totaling NOK 7,056,899 (incl. VAT). Of this, NOK 4,774,175 is lawyer's fees (ex VAT)
The statement of costs also contains claims for reimbursement of expenses to KPMG with NOK 1,078,486 (incl.VAT),
its $660k of which $460k is the lawyers costs and $100k for the KMPG expert data Good news. So what happens to Craig now?
anyway next social drama i can see CSW play a. pretend he made payments using false documents. and drag out another case to cause disruption trying to prove/disprove payment b. claim CSW never said he was satoshi but the surviving member of team satoshi where all patents and ownerships are locked up in some inaccessible trust not able to release at this point. thus try to reignoite his long con c. say he lost the defame case due to hodlonaut not being the first guy to out CSW and then start suing people from earlier debunks ... as for calvin ayres i think he just outted himself as a pedo his crap story as a freelance sex traffic task force officer.. thats complete bullcrap. its obvious he fears some of CSW court trials may end up with ayres computers being seized as evidence and when they find kiddy crap on his computer he wants to have a plausible "white hat" story for why he has such crap on his computer or if found at some illegal underage brothel he wants a reason to make it sound good as to why..
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Thank you!!! Finally, Mr. Wrong was proven wrong... Next step is confirmation of the same statement in UK!!
Interesting to see how the law works in the UK given that Cobra did not even attempt to put up a case when he was sued by CSW - so we don't have much info on whether the UK courts would be as knowledgeable and straightforward as their Norwegian counterparts. Will hodlonaut be able to use the same evidence in the UK court which he used in Norway? If yes then surely they have to see it as it is and see the absolute lies which CSW has engaged in? Surely the same report which KPMG were tasked with can be called upon for "any" trial going forward? the facts which were uncovered won't change from country to case.
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as for calvin ayres
i think he just outted himself as a pedo
his crap story as a freelance sex traffic task force officer.. thats complete bullcrap. its obvious he fears some of CSW court trials may end up with ayres computers being seized as evidence and when they find kiddy crap on his computer he wants to have a plausible "white hat" story for why he has such crap on his computer or if found at some illegal underage brothel he wants a reason to make it sound good as to why..
Wouldn't it be so ironic if an unrelated lawsuit turns into him where the prosecutors are the government who want to lock up Ayre in jail for possessing that stuff, Epstein style? Oops... CSW loses his main backer.
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its $660k of which $460k is the lawyers costs and $100k for the KMPG expert data That's what Hodlonaut claimed for, but the court did not award him the full amount. anyway next social drama i can see CSW play They've already said they will appeal the ruling. Can't wait for them to lose even more money and for the outcome not to change. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Let's not also forget to thank Hodlonaut's lawyers, Ørjan Salvesen Haukaas and Marie Bjørk Myklebust, for delivering such a robust case and a resounding win for the whole bitcoin community.
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So not only are Hodlonaut's tweets not unlawful, and not only does the court order CSW to pay Hodlonaut ~4 million NOK (which is around $380,000 USD), but the court is pretty clear that all the evidence points to CSW being a fraud.
Not a bad profit at all for Hodlonaut in this trial, and CSW could pay even more when they file an appeal. He did have to dox himself in this process, but he proved his point once again and he represented Bitcoin community in a great way. Meanwhile, they are strangely quiet regarding this subject on their coingeek propaganda website. So much fun following Hodlonaut twitter account
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Meanwhile, they are strangely quiet regarding this subject on their coingeek propaganda website. Looks like they are far too busy with the fact that BSV has been constantly under attack for the last several days, with multiple forks, multiple reorgs, and a single miner controlling well in excess of 51% of the hashrate and just spamming the network with empty blocks. At one point in the last 24 hours the unknown miner found 14 consecutive blocks in the space of 30 minutes. The chance of the network finding at least 14 blocks in 30 minutes at normal hashrates is 0.0003%, suggesting this malicious miner is absolutely dwarfing the hashrate of the rest of the network and could just choose to shut down the entire network by mining only empty blocks and ignoring all other blocks at any time. That's almost as a big a failure as CSW's performance in this trial. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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You all seems celebrating Hodlonaut's victory ! But have got any clues who is behind Hodlonut ?
The whole case seems to me was a great setup for Craig to win and file another case against all the Bitcoin Developers.
Craig is Chief Scientist of NChain. Who is the Chief scientist of Blockchain ? You might say Gavin Bell (Anderson) but is he ? What is the position of Craig now in the Bitcoin and Blockchain Space ?
I think he is a very good actor as Faketoshi. On the interrogation he admitted that he is Faketoshi.
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You all seems celebrating Hodlonaut's victory ! But have got any clues who is behind Hodlonut ?
The whole case seems to me was a great setup for Craig to win and file another case against all the Bitcoin Developers.
Craig is Chief Scientist of NChain. Who is the Chief scientist of Blockchain ? You might say Gavin Bell (Anderson) but is he ? What is the position of Craig now in the Bitcoin and Blockchain Space ?
I think he is a very good actor as Faketoshi. On the interrogation he admitted that he is Faketoshi.
I really doubt that there is someone behind Hodlonaut's back. Mr. Faketoshi is just trying to scare the ppl who put their voice up against his claims. But also he is focusing on people with less resources and not so techy like Hodlonaut and Peter McCormack hoping that he can make some easy wins (imagine the price for 9 lawyers in Norway!). I wonder why he didn't go after Buterin? Mr.Eth has x10 followers, and stated officially his position against faketoshi, he has done way more "damage" (lmao ... sorry) than our space cat.
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*nonsense from a nuisance*
I really doubt that there is someone behind Hodlonaut's back. Mr. Faketoshi is just trying to scare the ppl who put their voice up against his claims. Or, put another way, near enough the entire Bitcoin community has Hodlonaut's back. And that's great. BitcoinMoses clearly isn't on this forum to raise any valid points. They're just here to be an irksome, antagonistic troll. If they had worthwhile insights into anything other than how to be an annoying shit-for-brains, I'd be very surprised. Funny how they always seem to show up with feeble attempts to sow seeds of doubt in any topic where Faketoshi comes up. Almost as though they had some sort of agenda. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Craig is Chief Scientist of NChain.
let me translate he is the chief spokes person of many companies he and his team created, where he gets other people to code .. that is not a scientist. thats a "manager" its about as useful as saying that dick wolf is the executive producer of thousands of tv episodes. yet if you see his day to day activities, he is never onset of any of them all the time CSW does not have good coding skills. in all of his businesses he has had "ghost writers" he employs to develop things. heck he even employed kids to write his assignments for his degrees it would be more apt if he titled himself a CTO (technology officer) rather than science. CSW has a theology mindset, he believes in getting people to believe his is someone others should believe in without proof... that is again not science ... as for who is behind hodlonaut. well there are court documents that reveal hodlonaut birth name. but we respect hodlonaut to not mention/repeat on the forum because its not important as for hodlonaut actions.. just because there are many people before hodlonaut that called out on CSW scams does not mean their is someone behind hodlonaut puppeteering him. from what i have seen he has done his own research and came to his own conclusions and wrote things in his own mindset of his well researched opinion of CSW. as have others. this does not mean there is some puppet master agenda. this means many people have found CSW to be a fool, scammer and liar and we all independently want to inform and remind everyone not to become a cult like follower of a scammer and liar
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(imagine the price for 9 lawyers in Norway!) CSW had put in a claim for 11,766,507 NOK for this trial, which is a little over $1.1 million USD. Obviously though, he will recover none of that and also have to pay Hodlonaut's costs as discussed above. I wonder why he didn't go after Buterin? Because he knows Vitalik can easily bankroll a few legal cases and wipe the floor with him. He was counting on Hodlonaut, by virtue of him being a school teacher, not having the funds to fight these cases and therefore get a quick and easy win. CSW wasn't counting on the community coming together to fund Hodlonaut's defense, which was made acutely obvious but the absolute trash and blatant forgeries CSW and his team submitted as "evidence".
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Looks like we have confirmation that they've duped another wealthy billionaire with dubious morals: So Ayre is finally running out of money so has started pulling in his friends? Ager-Hanssen has appeared on CoinGeek interviews before, so is obviously already invested in this scam and therefore has a vested interest in funding some more of CSW's shenanigans or be left bagholding a coin going to zero which is under near constant attack. The quotes from that Twitter thread show quite clearly he is just as out of touch and confused as the rest of the BSV cult: If he says he is Satoshi I believe him because I’m not scared of his abilities,the forces that want to silent him or standing up against the cyberbullying even if the will try bullying me. Amazing logic there. By this logic, surely he'll believe me if I say I am Satoshi? I have exactly zero evidence, but apparently that doesn't matter (and actually, zero evidence is still better than the dozens of proven forgeries CSW has ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) ). My verdict and report will be filed 23:59 - 2022 in the year of the tiger Cool. No one cares. Get CSW to sign a message then we can talk.
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Craig is Chief Scientist of NChain.
Are you talking about the one who copy/paste "Hello World!" code? Who is the Chief scientist of Blockchain ? You might say Gavin Bell (Anderson) but is he ?
What exactly do you mean by "Blockchain"? Blockchain.com?
I feel cringe reading this part. I know @Dr_CSWright is Satoshi because he has the perfect DNA to be Satoshi.
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Mr.🤡's ship is sinking, no matter how many "sugar daddies“ he'll try to get on board.. When can we expect the UK trial?
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I feel cringe reading this part. It is amusing watching him get annihilated on Twitter. Here's my favorite thing he's posted: https://nitter.it/agerhanssen/status/1583923967974203393#m. Could it have been "Half" Finney all along!? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) When can we expect the UK trial? My understanding was it is not expected for another 12 months or so, but I cannot find a source for why I thought that. Edit: This article indeed says "late 2023" for the UK case.
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I also love how he included Dorian as a 'possible identity' and not one of the other couple cryptographers that were very active in Bitcoin's starting days and would make for much better candidates. His picture immediately shows he is completely talking out of his ass.
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