Gacha Game

[Fortify]

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

This just sounds for another type of game that supports a form of microtransactions? I take it the underlying game is more turn based, like you might find with hearthstone, but with more advanced graphics and animations involved. Not sure I'd call this a separate genre, because it is a monetization type utilized across many platforms and different types of games - from racing to fighting. I guess the real distinction would be you're not buying a specific item but gambling at what might be a tiny chance of winning a super rare prize. It's a bit sad that these companies are allowed to get away with it because it is probably one of the most nefarious types of gambling, especially when no in-game item trading is allowed.

[Finestream]

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I guess any game that makes you spend a huge amount, bigger than what you’re spending, will certainly fall on gambling addiction. Not maybe a big issue for big whales as they have the funds to spend regardless of the amount, but for regular gamblers, engaging in gacha game and spending a large amount to buy in-game currency means already a big thing. This is the reason why most of the people engage in gacha game are high rollers or big whales as this is quite expensive than ordinary gambling games.

[acroman08]

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

haven't played any of those games but I have played other MMORPGs that have gacha system in the game. anyway, personally I consider gacha as a kind of gambling since you need to spend money and it relies on RNG. the only difference between gacha and other RNG based gambling games is that the reward in gacha is in-game items instead of money.

[coin-investor]

I am not familiar with Gacha games but looking at what it really means on the internet the result is it's very much similar to loot games an dit originated in Japan and we all know when it comes to gaming the Japanese are the leaders and the innovators

A gacha game (Japanese: ガチャ ゲーム, Hepburn: gacha gēmu) is a video game that implements the gacha (toy vending machine) mechanic. Similar to loot boxes, gacha games entice players to spend in-game currency to receive a random in-game item. Some in-game currency generally can be gained through game play, and some by purchasing it from the game publisher using real-world funds.

Most implementors of the Gacha model are free-to-play (F2P) mobile games. The gacha game model began to be widely used in the early 2010s, particularly in Japan.Most of the highest-grossing mobile games in Japan use it, and it has become an integral part of Japanese mobile game culture.

There's potential in this game and maybe one day developers can integrate this kind of game into the Cryptocurrency industry, whatever there's popular in one niche the Crypto developers are open to integrating it into the industry.

[lionheart78]

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I considered it as gambling no matter what is the reason why it isn't considered one, it matches the definition of gambling that is wagering in the hope to get a better result.

No matter the technicalities are, you can't deny that gacha's core mechanics let you aim for the best-in-slot or best overall character/item/pet/etc. for the money that you are spending. Kinda like slots, there aren't any certainties on the outcome that you'll be getting yet you're still pulling that lever or pushing that button waiting for the best outcome. Gacha just got the same mechanic, except that they are quite generous because you still receive something that can be combined or exchanged for a higher-tier item, or you get a 'pity system' that gets you a guaranteed high-tier item/character after certain amount of rolls.

Indeed, gacha works the same way as gambling, betting something in hopes to gain a better something.  The only thing that separates gacha from gambling is the reason that people will always win a prize which is I think in a mere borderline.  The majority of those consolation prices are equivalent to almost worthless. 

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I guess any game that makes you spend a huge amount, bigger than what you’re spending, will certainly fall on gambling addiction. Not maybe a big issue for big whales as they have the funds to spend regardless of the amount, but for regular gamblers, engaging in gacha game and spending a large amount to buy in-game currency means already a big thing. This is the reason why most of the people engage in gacha game are high rollers or big whales as this is quite expensive than ordinary gambling games.

Not saying that kids are exposed to gambling-like activities ( if the authority doesn't considered Gacha Game as gambling) in a rated G game.  This is somehow disastrous for kids especially when they develop addiction to it.  Authority shouldn't overlook this kind things happening in a rated G game.

I am not familiar with Gacha games but looking at what it really means on the internet the result is it's very much similar to loot games an dit originated in Japan and we all know when it comes to gaming the Japanese are the leaders and the innovators

A gacha game (Japanese: ガチャ ゲーム, Hepburn: gacha gēmu) is a video game that implements the gacha (toy vending machine) mechanic. Similar to loot boxes, gacha games entice players to spend in-game currency to receive a random in-game item. Some in-game currency generally can be gained through game play, and some by purchasing it from the game publisher using real-world funds.

Most implementors of the Gacha model are free-to-play (F2P) mobile games. The gacha game model began to be widely used in the early 2010s, particularly in Japan.Most of the highest-grossing mobile games in Japan use it, and it has become an integral part of Japanese mobile game culture.

There's potential in this game and maybe one day developers can integrate this kind of game into the Cryptocurrency industry, whatever there's popular in one niche the Crypto developers are open to integrating it into the industry.

Gacha like stuff are already implemented in cryptocurrency industry through Loot boxes in NFT projects.

[Alanaz]

In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

[agustina2]

Since GACHA games involve spending money, and the players really need lots of money just to acquire the target item, then I will consider it gambling.

There are players who will continuously top up for game credits just to roll that spin until they will get what they desire.

For every failure, they will return again and try their luck. No difference when playing in a usual gambling place that if not satisfied, they will continue to gamble.

[serjent05]

In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

I agree, Gacha games are created to be enticing. Making people to spend their money in order to get the desired items.  Its intention is not to give equal value but to exploit the need of the players and milk them of their money.  It adds excitement not to the game aspect but to the wagering aspect which is considered gambling.  If the game developer intend not to milk their player then they can just put a flat value and let the player buy it straight. Instead they wanted to rip their players off by introducing Gacha items that has less than 1% of acquisition.

I happen to watch a streamer streaming his gacha event.  He spend around $1k (it is already huge in my country and the equivalent of more than 2 months of salary for a regular employee) and as a result, he gets lots of potion that is available in-game without even getting a single premium item.

Since GACHA games involve spending money, and the players really need lots of money just to acquire the target item, then I will consider it gambling.

There are players who will continuously top up for game credits just to roll that spin until they will get what they desire.

For every failure, they will return again and try their luck. No difference when playing in a usual gambling place that if not satisfied, they will continue to gamble.

It is indeed a gambling, I don't know what is in the mind of the game authority letting this kind of activity to be integrated in a game where mostly kids are playing.

[chaser15]

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

The eagerness to get those good items and stuff with the money is always there when playing a gacha game therefore, it's a form of gambling.

Sometimes even after spending big money already, players still not getting the items they want because of RNG.

It is indeed a gambling, I don't know what is in the mind of the game authority letting this kind of activity to be integrated in a game where mostly kids are playing.

That doesn't make sense. Why game devs are the ones who should blame when in fact, their games are not designed for kids?

The gacha game is one of the sources to support the game financially. It's expensive to maintain an online game.

[goinmerry]

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I admit to spending lots of money on this kind of game feature even today. Literally, I'm gambling as not all the time, I will get what I wanted on that gacha. Sometimes I feel frustrated that even after spending lots of money, I still can't get my favorite item.

But on the other hand, if I get what I wanted, I feel happy. That's worth my money in my own preference.

[danherbias07]

It's normal for those who like spending in the game to see how strong they can get.
IMO, it's not really a gamble. It's more of they have money to spend and it gives them a pleasure to see their characters trying to be on top.

Before, we spend money on MMORPG just so we can get in the game. It will not even make us strong.
Now, gacha games are mostly free to play but to feel the essence of the game you will need to spend real money and buy things that cannot be received just by grinding.
The downside, you cannot sell them. There's no profit back so it's not a gamble.

[Mauser]

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

First time I am hearing about those games. Also the word gacha game is new to me. This seems to be part of the gambling section within games. Whenever you spend ingame, or real currency for a chance to receive something rare than it's gambling. This isn't really new in the gaming world. For years loot boxes and case opening have been part of large games like Dota or CSGO. Some of the rarest skins can be worth thousands of dollars and there is a whole secondary market for trading those skins. As long as the skins are only cosmetic I don't mind it and support that game, but once rare items give you extra power or special abilities j would stay away from the game and don't support their pay2win setup. What I learned after years of gambling in games is, if you are looking for one particular item than its better to buy the item directly at the secondary market instead of hoping to become lucky in the gambling.

[ethereumhunter]

In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

Maybe that's why people have to spend more money to get very rare characters. Even then, they haven't been able to get them right away. Maybe this requires better self-control considering the amount of money we use can be bigger than other games. So before you spend a large amount of money, you should think twice about buying it and never exceed your budget so you don't regret spending it. But fans of the game won't think about it because they only think about getting these rare characters.

[abel1337]

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I'm a gamer and I like playing different game genre including gatcha games. Currently I'm playing Ni No Kuni, A crypto gatcha MMORPG game that has been on the market recently. I really enjoy pulls but I haven't tried doing a massive pulls where whales are spending so much money on it to get their desired items. Gatcha game concepts are in here long time ago and it is still thriving till now because of the excitement on every gatcha pulls we are doing.

[jostorres]

Among the three games that you have listed, I already heard summoners war though I didn't install and play the actual game however I played some of the games which also has an in game purchase and I admit that I already deposited some dollars on them to get a certain item. I don't consider myself as an addict only because of that but I will I think if I spend most of my time playing the game.

It's normal for those who like spending in the game to see how strong they can get.
IMO, it's not really a gamble. It's more of they have money to spend and it gives them a pleasure to see their characters trying to be on top.

Before, we spend money on MMORPG just so we can get in the game. It will not even make us strong.
Now, gacha games are mostly free to play but to feel the essence of the game you will need to spend real money and buy things that cannot be received just by grinding.
The downside, you cannot sell them. There's no profit back so it's not a gamble.

I think for the rich players yes but for the poor players spending big is not their typical thing but they can spend less (gambling) and see if they can get the item at a cheap price. A gacha game account can be sell afaik. There are markets on them usually in social media because some are hoping to get a bigger discount if they will buy the account directly instead of topping up the item themselves.

[virasisog]

In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

Maybe that's why people have to spend more money to get very rare characters. Even then, they haven't been able to get them right away. Maybe this requires better self-control considering the amount of money we use can be bigger than other games. So before you spend a large amount of money, you should think twice about buying it and never exceed your budget so you don't regret spending it. But fans of the game won't think about it because they only think about getting these rare characters.

Gatcha game is somehow very addictive, especially to those who really want to make their characters stronger by completing the items that the game offers. There are players who always want to be on top of the game and don't want to be left behind and I guess they are also players who will spend a lot for this game. This is actually exciting and interesting for gamers who gamble at the same time.

[buwaytress]

Not me but I know how it affects kids. Back in my day, game companies in Japan made RPG-styled cards (Dragonball characters, for example), that they'd then sell in packs or machines (insert a coin, turn the machine tomble, a random card comes out).

Now I know there are already collectibles like Panini and trading cards but these were different, on another RPG level. You'd buy packs of cards hoping to get a special edition "skin" for your character (literally, a skin of plastic holographic card atop another card)... or differently powered up versions of the same character just to gain an edge over opponents if you played these cards against them.

Definitely encouraged a lot of people my age then to spend lunch money and gamble with each other to buy more of the cards.

It even tempted me a few times too... and just like gamblers everyone had a theory of how to game the system. In casinos people are sure of a strategy, or some way to read the machine or algorithm. With these cards, we discussed how to turn machine knobs, how to rub the cards inside the packs to "Feel" for the special material. How to read the serial numbers on the packs etc.

Absolute gambling mentality.

[YuginKadoya]

I sure have become addicted to some Gacha games and in the past, I have played a series of games that need Gacha real money to get what kind of item, hero, or secret something that you want, and that includes a huge amount of RNG kind of slot or wheel that you will need to play with real money or game money and will be in random order, for me it is very hard to win you don't put a lot of money in the game, that is why I call this time of games as pay to win, some game that I play and here is the list,

• Dragon Nest
• Digimon Links
• Kings Raid
• Kingdom Wars
• Marvel Future Fights
• Metal Slug Attack
• Pet War
• Seven Knights
• War Of Crown
• Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel

And I also got some games that are RNG and play to earn at the same time, but I am just starting in playing here is the list

• Crazy Defense Heroes
• Crypto Ball Z
• Brave Nine

[KTChampions]

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I have played similar games, but given that I have always played with the Play4Free scheme, I never thought about the gambling component. Although I knew some players (guild members) who spent significant money on the game. Always found it a waste of money. Now my daughter plays Genshin Impact and I'm glad that although sometimes she wants to spend some money in the game, but in the end she refuses it.

[serjent05]

It's normal for those who like spending in the game to see how strong they can get.
IMO, it's not really a gamble. It's more of they have money to spend and it gives them a pleasure to see their characters trying to be on top.

The thing is Gacha game does not deliver the product directly unlike those games that make their items have a flat price.  Gacha is like taking chance to get an item with a certain percentage.  The higher tier the item is the lesser percentage a player can get it.  The core mechanics of gacha as one of the replies stated is wagering an amount of money and having a chance to get the desired item.  So it includes money, luck, and chance which resembles gambling.

Before, we spend money on MMORPG just so we can get in the game. It will not even make us strong.
Now, gacha games are mostly free to play but to feel the essence of the game you will need to spend real money and buy things that cannot be received just by grinding.
The downside, you cannot sell them. There's no profit back so it's not a gamble.

Gacha games aren't free to play.  A player needs to spend money to activate gacha games.  the game integrated with gacha game may be free to play but the gacha games for the item are not. The item Being non-transferable is the leeway this game developer has to circumvent the law against gambling. 

I sure have become addicted to some Gacha games and in the past, I have played a series of games that need Gacha real money to get what kind of item, hero, or secret something that you want, and that includes a huge amount of RNG kind of slot or wheel that you will need to play with real money or game money and will be in random order, for me it is very hard to win you don't put a lot of money in the game, that is why I call this time of games as pay to win, some game that I play and here is the list,

I was once got hooked in a game that has Gacha in it.  And it is really hard to get the premium item, mostly you get trash items that has no value in-game at all.