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October 03, 2022, 02:31:43 AM
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The supporter coming to the field is not only the first time happens, but this also often happens in another match in Indonesia League. but, the Kajuruhun is a very bloody tragedy in the organization. right now, we can't blame anyone who has the responsibility before the investigation. Many factors happen during the tragedy like the Police, Fans of each club (Arema and Persebaya), the referee, the official, and the organizer PT.LBI. 

We must know, Indonesia has more football fans than Badminton and even less of achievements, the government also didn't focus on football which has the most State Budget than Badminton or another sport.



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October 03, 2022, 03:00:46 AM
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I'm not a fan of Football TBH and know a little bit about how it's played, but the number of lives lost in this one is many. 180 as of the moment and there are ones who might die in the hospital for some reasons as well.

TBH, I don't know why in the hell these fans are coming to a point that when their favorite team lost in a game, they will make violence. Will that violence make them happy? Will that violence make them comfortable? Will that violence make their lives even better? I mean I just don't know why it comes to a point like this. Because fans can't accept their favorite team's defeat? I watched Basketball, MMA and Boxing and some online game tournaments as well and I always have a favorite team in each one, but when they lost, I just simply move on and wait for another tournament or season to happen. Thinking about it longer will result to unnecessary decisions for me. I saw a post regarding this one in Facebook but I immediately ignored because I'm not a football fan, but I see more and more posts like this that's why I did a quick research and saw this.

Sports must be a place where people are getting entertained and not where people will make violence. Sports is a place where people will enjoy what they are watching and not a place where they will fight other people when their favorite team lost. Condolence to those who lost their lives because of their decisions.

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October 03, 2022, 04:03:48 AM
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I believe someone instigated the fans into running to the field that triggers the police to use illegal means. It is easier to manipulate fans when they are high of emotion and disappointment.

I feel sorry to these innocent victim but is angered by the thought that someone had sparked that commotion.  I hope those policemen who used illegal means get punished and the people who instigated the fans be caught.  I hate it when someone plays with the emotions of fans that often times resulted into mass confusion, stampede and death. 
Investigations are still ongoing and it will take a long time to find out who is behind all of this. In addition to taking a long time in the investigation process by the authorities, the difficulties where the number of spectators exceeds the capacity has burdened the stadium management, including ticket sales, which are sold out but illegal spectators arrive.

Can't blame what's right and what's wrong. However after this incident, the impact will definitely be bad on the world of Indonesian sports in the next few years.

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October 03, 2022, 04:14:29 AM
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I believe someone instigated the fans into running to the field that triggers the police to use illegal means. It is easier to manipulate fans when they are high of emotion and disappointment.

I feel sorry to these innocent victim but is angered by the thought that someone had sparked that commotion.  I hope those policemen who used illegal means get punished and the people who instigated the fans be caught.  I hate it when someone plays with the emotions of fans that often times resulted into mass confusion, stampede and death. 
Investigations are still ongoing and it will take a long time to find out who is behind all of this. In addition to taking a long time in the investigation process by the authorities, the difficulties where the number of spectators exceeds the capacity has burdened the stadium management, including ticket sales, which are sold out but illegal spectators arrive.

Can't blame what's right and what's wrong. However after this incident, the impact will definitely be bad on the world of Indonesian sports in the next few years.
The use of tear gas and crowd control that was not in accordance with the procedure caused many casualties, and the use of tear gas that was not in accordance with the crowd control procedure resulted in fans in the stands jostling to get out. choking, shortness of breath, fainting and colliding which resulted in many fatalities.
and also exacerbated by the excess capacity of the stadium, Indonesia always violates the rules in any case and this incident must be dealt with firmly so that it does not happen again, it seems that this tragedy involves many parties who are currently still under investigation.

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October 03, 2022, 04:26:40 AM
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This kind of disaster can happen in any country at all, something has to be learnt from their deaths so its not just a waste of human life.   I had no idea FIFA was certain in its rules of a match, precisely to avoid this occurrence but it has been ignored again.
   Some teams have fans so troublesome they are banned from attending matches due to repeated damage and harm, it seems any threat of problems like this has to be avoided with greater caution and reduced numbers.  Theres a temptation to sell as many tickets are possible when the opposite needs to happen with known trouble spots.

I saw some video footage from fans uploaded on social media showing that when there was a riot where the police fired tear gas, it turned out that the exit gate was closed so there was an uncontrolled crowd buildup but tear gas was fired into the closed door area. The police here clearly violate the FIFA code of ethics and sanctions should also be given to the police. They took excessive precautions, so the audience who were panicked and angry due to the actions of the police resisted and ended up clashing between audience and the police. Until now the news is still in the world's spotlight about the future of Indonesian football which will certainly be bad.

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October 03, 2022, 06:04:18 AM
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It was unacceptable one of tickets and stadium capacity.Nearly 2k variations is very high from the football team.It’s was unexpected one happened in the football world.Like this happened in the Pakistan and Afghanistan game.It was controlled by the policemen.So many bad things was happening in this game now.When you made a good way of gaming,it will be followed by the future generation.

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October 03, 2022, 06:07:44 AM
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I saw some video footage from fans uploaded on social media showing that when there was a riot where the police fired tear gas, it turned out that the exit gate was closed so there was an uncontrolled crowd buildup but tear gas was fired into the closed door area. The police here clearly violate the FIFA code of ethics and sanctions should also be given to the police. They took excessive precautions, so the audience who were panicked and angry due to the actions of the police resisted and ended up clashing between audience and the police. Until now the news is still in the world's spotlight about the future of Indonesian football which will certainly be bad.
this is what we are fighting for. the police continued to say that they had carried out according to the protocol but in fact, the tear gas was released into the stands, not in the lower stands which were in chaos

In sporting events in Indonesia, the role of the police and army has gone too far, they are really rude when carrying out their duties. it's time to change and not involve the police or the army in the most important sporting event of football

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October 03, 2022, 07:16:42 AM
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It's really sad because it took more than a hundred innocent life to be sacrificed in order for them to realize they really need to take this one seriously when the fans are out of control. This is not the first time this nonsense happened to them because I watch some documentaries about the unusual behaviors of the die-hard fans when they see rival fans. They are hostile and wanted to destroy them on the spot. This should not happen because they are countrymen and they should just enjoy the game rather than making it a reason to kill each other.

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October 03, 2022, 07:54:25 AM
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The supporter coming to the field is not only the first time happens, but this also often happens in another match in Indonesia League. but, the Kajuruhun is a very bloody tragedy in the organization. right now, we can't blame anyone who has the responsibility before the investigation. Many factors happen during the tragedy like the Police, Fans of each club (Arema and Persebaya), the referee, the official, and the organizer PT.LBI.

In fact we already know what happened that resulted in the tragedy of the riots. this is not the first time, but this tragedy will be a dark history of the tragedy of football in our country. there is a lot to correct, our system is not better than other neighboring countries.
If only Arema fans had not stepped out of the field and climbed the guardrail, the tragedy would not have happened, if only the police had had the knowledge of how to deal with fan riots according to FIFA standards, surely there would not be many casualties, if only PSSI had  With a better system of rules and regulations, these kinds of incidents can certainly be avoided.

So who should be responsible for this tragedy?
From my point of view, all those involved must be sanctioned, both supporters, security forces, clubs, and also PSSI as the highest federation that oversees football in our country. this is a common problem, and the country, FIFA must participate to make our football better in the future.
the only way that is most efficient at the moment is the suspension of the league freeze.
In this way, the club, the supporters, PSSI, will reflect on the bad consequences of this tragedy.
I am deeply saddened by the KANJURUHAN incident.

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October 03, 2022, 07:54:48 AM
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I saw some video footage from fans uploaded on social media showing that when there was a riot where the police fired tear gas, it turned out that the exit gate was closed so there was an uncontrolled crowd buildup but tear gas was fired into the closed door area. The police here clearly violate the FIFA code of ethics and sanctions should also be given to the police. They took excessive precautions, so the audience who were panicked and angry due to the actions of the police resisted and ended up clashing between audience and the police. Until now the news is still in the world's spotlight about the future of Indonesian football which will certainly be bad.
this is what we are fighting for. the police continued to say that they had carried out according to the protocol but in fact, the tear gas was released into the stands, not in the lower stands which were in chaos

In sporting events in Indonesia, the role of the police and army has gone too far, they are really rude when carrying out their duties. it's time to change and not involve the police or the army in the most important sporting event of football
Policemen in the stadium acted unprofessionally to control the spectators who invaded the pitch, firing tear gas canisters in an overcrowded stadium isn't the best crowd control, this isn't the first case of pitch invasion in football matches in other countries there are ways of controlling such an unmannered behavior of the fans and spectators without causing any casualties, the Indonesian government should prosecute the culprits behind the incident after a thorough investigation of the incident, my condolences to people who lost their love ones and wishing the injured quick recovery.

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Football that's supposed to promote peace is bringing wars and blood shed
My prayers are with the families of the dead, injured and heart broken
This is not a good news for the start of a new month, they will face big FIFA sanctions

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This is indeed one sad news that can never be forgotten in the history of football, and I sincerely sympathize with those who may have lost the life of a family member, friend, or colleague as a result of the outbreak of this chaos that lead to the death of over 170 fans. This is a big blow to the Indonesian government and its security agencies for failing to be professional while dealing with such a crowd, and I'm sure truly they deserve an indefinite suspension from football activities, because if prompt action is not taken now, so will the death records keep increasing every weekend.

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October 03, 2022, 08:26:38 AM
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Saw the news regarding the tragedy.  It says there that the game was oversold. That means the stadium accommodates a number of fans beyond it's capacity. Its really really sad to see this kind of tragedy in sports. But still, let's be thankful the chaos did not erupted into a more serious case which would've killed more than a hundred or two lives.
I can't imagine how people are so passionate about a sport that they're willing to sacrifice not just their lives but also the others just to vent out their frustrations for rooting on a lossing team.
Football fans are the most passionate fan base in all sports, and it's really scary to see when chaos happens as there are always a huge number of people in attendance, and I can't imagine how pitiful to see a person who died just to get out of the trouble.

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October 03, 2022, 08:40:23 AM
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I saw some video footage from fans uploaded on social media showing that when there was a riot where the police fired tear gas, it turned out that the exit gate was closed so there was an uncontrolled crowd buildup but tear gas was fired into the closed door area. The police here clearly violate the FIFA code of ethics and sanctions should also be given to the police. They took excessive precautions, so the audience who were panicked and angry due to the actions of the police resisted and ended up clashing between audience and the police. Until now the news is still in the world's spotlight about the future of Indonesian football which will certainly be bad.

It was a match of principle rivals (as reported in the news) and there were security violations not only by the police, but also by the stadium administration, since it is reported that more tickets were sold for the match than the stadium can accommodate. In any case, tear gas and closed gates are huge mistakes that led to terrible consequences. Of course, now that this problem has received worldwide publicity, measures will be taken, but this is too high a price...

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October 03, 2022, 08:42:05 AM
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it's very sad that many fans died due to riots, I don't know what caused the riots, logically thinking it would be better even though we are fans of a certain club as well as enjoying it without having to do excessive actions
A dark event that will become history in Indonesian football, I personally saw the match between Arema versus Persebaya Surabaya, the incident started when an Arema supporter came down from the stands to meet Arema players, then followed by other spectators making the security forces panic and beat several people. security forces fired tear gas into the stands, so many died from shortness of breath, I think the riots occurred because of the negligence of the security forces and the disappointment of Arema supporters because they lost at home, because previously Arema had never lost against Persebaya since 26 years ago.

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This is indeed one sad news that can never be forgotten in the history of football, and I sincerely sympathize with those who may have lost the life of a family member, friend, or colleague as a result of the outbreak of this chaos that lead to the death of over 170 fans. This is a big blow to the Indonesian government and its security agencies for failing to be professional while dealing with such a crowd, and I'm sure truly they deserve an indefinite suspension from football activities, because if prompt action is not taken now, so will the death records keep increasing every weekend.
This is a news in football and the talk of the world news has spread all over because of the many victims and this is the biggest tragedy that I have seen so far.
I also express my condolences for this incident hoping for the best for all of this, I am currently looking at the latest news about the investment that will be issued by the police and also PSSI in this related case.

I heard the words from the chairman of PSSI that in the future Arema Fc club may no longer play at the Kanjuruhan stadium. I don't know if this is the right suspension or there is no final decision yet, but I hope for the best and it won't happen to him again in the football arena.

We football lovers are certainly sad to see this news yesterday, all social media is filled with this news.

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October 03, 2022, 10:19:09 AM
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I don't understand how deep they support the team that lost but this kind of thing should not happen.
Viewers or supporters of the team should stop watching if they cannot be a sport about winning or losing. Or, they should just stay at home and watch PPV instead if they cannot control their emotions.
This will be a lesson. A big one. Perhaps after they lift the ban they should also increase the security when their games start again.
I am sad that kids will see this and their dreams of becoming football players will be affected too.

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October 03, 2022, 10:25:08 AM
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Sad news, I may not be a fan of Football but I know that it's one of the biggest sports in the world. Rest in peace to those that have gone on this stampede incident.

I don't understand how deep they support the team that lost but this kind of thing should not happen.
When emotion kicks in, this could happen in every sport where clash and stampede could really happen and nobody control the intensity of it at the beginning then many of them will just realize to stop when they see people dying on the side.

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October 03, 2022, 10:54:21 AM
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It's very regrettable that this incident happened but especially to the security forces at the stadium, I wonder why they fired tear gas into the stands because the chaos occurred in the middle of the field and not a riot in the stands. If there is a riot in the stands, then perhaps the security forces on duty will fire water cannons instead of tear gas. It is clear that this case is due to the wrong actions of the security forces at the stadium who do not know the rules passed by FIFA and of course, severe sanctions will be accepted by Indonesia. Of course, this incident will be very regrettable, because basically the Indonesian national team is currently under development and slowly they are looking better, but with this incident it looks like their efforts may be stalled.

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October 03, 2022, 11:18:03 AM
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I don't understand how deep they support the team that lost but this kind of thing should not happen.
Viewers or supporters of the team should stop watching if they cannot be a sport about winning or losing. Or, they should just stay at home and watch PPV instead if they cannot control their emotions.
This will be a lesson. A big one. Perhaps after they lift the ban they should also increase the security when their games start again.
I am sad that kids will see this and their dreams of becoming football players will be affected too.
This is a disaster and certainly has tarnished Indonesian football. Unfortunately, it's not easy to tell fanatical supporters what they should be doing in responding to the loss/win obtained by the team they support. Because of their fanaticism, they will not be afraid to face anyone who dares to vilify their team. Actually, the government and the administrators of each club have given them education but it only has a temporary effect on those fanatical supporters. I think if they don't have the will to change themselves then the circle will never be broken.

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