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[yudi09]

I am thinking of extending the avatar contest. The reasons

1. We did not receive enough images to find a winner
2. The branding of website also changed so anything that was done using the previous creatives are now have no use.

Reasons that Royse can accept.
I visited the sinbad.io avatar contest thread not many people participated so I feel it will be difficult for you and your team to judge who is the best to be the winner.
I've also shared information about the avatar contest on local boards to make this information more widespread.

I think the avatar made by bitmover is very pleasing when I look at it. There is a combination of the avatar design with the new look of the web that has been completed.

If you and bitmover will allow it, I will use that avatar from now on.

But before all these, I need to find a new signature set. In the process of discussing the new development with the management. Once we will have a confirmed decision then I will update.

We will gladly wait for the latest signature set.

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[John93r8t]

Hello, I'm a new member of the forum for starters.  But I have lurked on occasions to learn more about this stuff. I think I made a pretty big mistake using your mixer. I was stupid for not reading your FAQ first, I thought the whole process sounded pretty straightforward. Needless to say, I'm not that smart when it comes to this type of stuff haha.

Anyways, your FAQ said to NEVER send coins from a market wallet (like Coinbase) to the mixer address. I actually ended up doing that. Is this going to turn into a big deal? Will Coinbase close out my account? Or will even worse stuff happen, it's my own fault but because I'm unsure of the consequences I'd like to know if anybody else has made this mistake before.

Thanks for your time,
John

[joker_josue]

I think the avatar made by bitmover is very pleasing when I look at it. There is a combination of the avatar design with the new look of the web that has been completed.

If you and bitmover will allow it, I will use that avatar from now on.

But before all these, I need to find a new signature set. In the process of discussing the new development with the management. Once we will have a confirmed decision then I will update.

We will gladly wait for the latest signature set.

Nothing against this one or the others that were made.
I'm just of the opinion, as I've already mentioned, that there should be harmony between all these elements (website, signature and avatar).

The site is now at a very good design level. Signature should be updated, to something closer to the site. And then have the avatar do the final linking.

[AB de Royse777]

Nothing against this one or the others that were made.
I'm just of the opinion, as I've already mentioned, that there should be harmony between all these elements (website, signature and avatar).

The site is now at a very good design level. Signature should be updated, to something closer to the site. And then have the avatar do the final linking.

New signature and avatar set will be posted very soon, I hope everyone will like it. I am just waiting for the designer to send me the codes. The avatar contest will be extend 1 more week to receive designs that will match the new branding patterns.

[JeromeTash]

Anyways, your FAQ said to NEVER send coins from a market wallet (like Coinbase) to the mixer address. I actually ended up doing that. Is this going to turn into a big deal? Will Coinbase close out my account? Or will even worse stuff happen, it's my own fault but because I'm unsure of the consequences I'd like to know if anybody else has made this mistake before.

Thanks for your time,
John

I don't think this will be an issue at all. A mixer like sinbad.io is not selective on which source the Bitcoin comes from, and it's none of coinbase's business in knowing which address the bitcoins were withdrawn too.

I don't think they will close your account.

The issue usually arises when the Bitcoins are moved from a mixer to a centralized exchange. Some exchanges are so cocky and they might block your account.

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I don't think this will be an issue at all. A mixer like sinbad.io is not selective on which source the Bitcoin comes from, and it's none of coinbase's business in knowing which address the bitcoins were withdrawn too.

I don't think they will close your account.

The issue usually arises when the Bitcoins are moved from a mixer to a centralized exchange. Some exchanges are so cocky and they might block your account.

The advice not to make a direct transaction from the exchange to the mixer is more of a precautionary measure. Sending from any service where the user does not have control over the private key can always be considered with a slightly higher risk because it can be marked as a reason for blocking the account and seizing funds.
A scenario that should definitely be avoided, we have also seen more senseless reasons for withholding users' funds.
I would say that Coinbase is one of the more rigorous services in this regard.

[Kryptowerk]

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No issues with the design itself, but the colors don't match the blue and purple look of Sinbad. Maybe a color edit with the new style might be better.

Sure, I started it and then didn't get back to it and missed the deadline. Colouring as well as text and some details will be adjusted accordingly. The text in the example is also just a placeholder. Thanks for the feedback.

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New signature and avatar set will be posted very soon, I hope everyone will like it. I am just waiting for the designer to send me the codes. The avatar contest will be extend 1 more week to receive designs that will match the new branding patterns.

That's great news, one more week!
I checked the avatar contest OP but it's closed - will a new thread be opened for that or where should we submit our designs? This time I am in and can most likely make the deadline.

[Pmalek]

Anyways, your FAQ said to NEVER send coins from a market wallet (like Coinbase) to the mixer address. I actually ended up doing that. Is this going to turn into a big deal? Will Coinbase close out my account? Or will even worse stuff happen, it's my own fault but because I'm unsure of the consequences I'd like to know if anybody else has made this mistake before.

Did Coinbase send the withdrawal to Sinbad's address? If the transaction went through, you should be OK. But for your own safety, don't do this in the future. Some centralized exchanges don't like funds being connected to services like mixers, coinjoins, or online casinos. They can freeze funds, ask for reasons you are using such services, source of your funds, etc. That's why it's recommended to use your own private and non-custodial wallet where you aren't being restricted or monitored. Better yet, don't use services that limit the ways you want to use bitcoin.

[John93r8t]

Thanks for all the replies, I greatly appreciate it! The transaction did go through without any problems, I will however refrain from doing this in the future. Can I use the same non-custodial wallet to funnel the pre-mixed and post-mixed coins through?

Say, for example, I create one address to send the pre-mixed coins to from Coinbase. Then I send the coins from that address to the mixer, then back to the same wallet on another address?

Or would it be best to use a entirely different wallet for that intermediary process?

Thank you all for the help.

[JeromeTash]

Can I use the same non-custodial wallet to funnel the pre-mixed and post-mixed coins through?

You can, but only if you avoid UTXOs (Unspent Transaction Outputs) from pre-mixed Bitcoin address when you finally decide to spend your mixed bitcoins in a new transaction.
Co-spending bitcoins from both addresses in a transaction which automatically happens with some software wallets will create a link and show that addresses belong to the same HD wallet, so your mixing attempt will have been in vain.

To avoid this scenario, you can create two different wallets with different seeds on the same noncustodial wallet software like electrum. One from pre-mixed bitcoins and the other for mixed Bitcoins.

[Pmalek]

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I agree with JeromeTash here. To avoid possible connections between mixed and unmixed coins in the future, it's better to separate them altogether by having two different wallets (not two addresses as part of the same wallet). But let me ask you this: after you have mixed your coins and decoupled their history, do you have plans to send these coins back to Coinbase in the future? Because if you do, we might be going back to the question will Coinbase ask questions why your coins are connected with mixing services, where they come from, etc.

[bitmover]

Can I use the same non-custodial wallet to funnel the pre-mixed and post-mixed coins through?

You can, but only if you avoid UTXOs (Unspent Transaction Outputs) from pre-mixed Bitcoin address when you finally decide to spend your mixed bitcoins in a new transaction.
Co-spending bitcoins from both addresses in a transaction which automatically happens with some software wallets will create a link and show that addresses belong to the same HD wallet, so your mixing attempt will have been in vain.

To avoid this scenario, you can create two different wallets with different seeds on the same noncustodial wallet software like electrum. One from pre-mixed bitcoins and the other for mixed Bitcoins.

If your wallet is empty, with zero balance  , there is no risk of using old utxo, if you don't reuse any address.

If you know how to work with your utxo , you don't even need to create a new wallet.

A guide here

https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-spend-specific-utxos-in-electrum/


But it is safer just to make a new wallet, as suggested above.

[Pmalek]

If your wallet is empty, with zero balance  , there is no risk of using old utxo, if you don't reuse any address.

If you know how to work with your utxo , you don't even need to create a new wallet.

Mistakes can happen, and since it doesn't cost anything to create a brand-new wallet only for mixed coins to separate it from the unmixed ones, I think it's better to do that.
I am looking at the new signatures and can't help to feel that more emphasize could be given to the onion link instead of the clearnet version of Sinbad. Only the part on the far left with the skull contains the TOR link, while everything else has the clearnet link. As a compromise, perhaps the far right box (MIX NOW) could also point to the onion link. That way we would have the ends of the sig pointing to the onion link, while the center of the sig contains the clearnet link.

[Trofo]

I am looking at the new signatures and can't help to feel that more emphasize could be given to the onion link instead of the clearnet version of Sinbad. Only the part on the far left with the skull contains the TOR link, while everything else has the clearnet link. As a compromise, perhaps the far right box (MIX NOW) could also point to the onion link. That way we would have the ends of the sig pointing to the onion link, while the center of the sig contains the clearnet link.

I would argue that decision is very dependent on the usage profile. I have no idea about percentage of people that access sinbad trough TOR, if it is small and I expect it is, I would argue that it shouldn't even be in the sig or that it should have been clearly marked as TOR link.

My logic is that those that want to use TOR are usually expert users and will find their way to needed links while there is certainly some amount of newbies that could simply go to competition since they would think the page is not working after clicking on TOR link.

[Pmalek]

I would argue that decision is very dependent on the usage profile. I have no idea about percentage of people that access sinbad trough TOR, if it is small and I expect it is, I would argue that it shouldn't even be in the sig or that it should have been clearly marked as TOR link.

Just be hovering your mouse over the skull containing the TOR link, you will se the onion domain at the bottom left of your browser. Those who know what it is will understand how to open it.

My logic is that those that want to use TOR are usually expert users and will find their way to needed links while there is certainly some amount of newbies that could simply go to competition since they would think the page is not working after clicking on TOR link.

More emphasize should be put in mixing through TOR as it's a privacy boost compared to mixing via the clearnet. Ultimately, it's Sinbad's decision to decide what they feel is the best for their business model.

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I would argue that decision is very dependent on the usage profile. I have no idea about percentage of people that access sinbad trough TOR, if it is small and I expect it is, I would argue that it shouldn't even be in the sig or that it should have been clearly marked as TOR link.

In the latest signature, the onion link is only on the Sinbad logo. 90% of the rest of the signature leads to the clearnet site. Maybe that's the relationship you're talking about. I agree that it might be a better solution for the TOR link to be indicated in the signature.

My logic is that those that want to use TOR are usually expert users and will find their way to needed links while there is certainly some amount of newbies that could simply go to competition since they would think the page is not working after clicking on TOR link.

More emphasize should be put in mixing through TOR as it's a privacy boost compared to mixing via the clearnet. Ultimately, it's Sinbad's decision to decide what they feel is the best for their business model.

I remember that ChiMixer worked only with the TOR site for a long time. But even so, he played a dominant role in the mixer industry. I would say that it is an obvious example that this segment should not be ignored.

[robelneo]

I am looking at the new signatures and can't help to feel that more emphasize could be given to the onion link instead of the clearnet version of Sinbad. Only the part on the far left with the skull contains the TOR link, while everything else has the clearnet link. As a compromise, perhaps the far right box (MIX NOW) could also point to the onion link. That way we would have the ends of the sig pointing to the onion link, while the center of the sig contains the clearnet link.

I would argue that decision is very dependent on the usage profile. I have no idea about percentage of people that access sinbad trough TOR, if it is small and I expect it is, I would argue that it shouldn't even be in the sig or that it should have been clearly marked as TOR link.

My logic is that those that want to use TOR are usually expert users and will find their way to needed links while there is certainly some amount of newbies that could simply go to competition since they would think the page is not working after clicking on TOR link.

Those long-time users of mixers already know that there are Tor versions so they have Tor on their device, but those who just want to use Sinbad Mixer for the first time and may not have Tor on their device will think twice about using Sinbad.

The clearnet already has a Tor link and it's visible on the homepage, the clearnet converts new users to use Sinbad because of its accessibility.

I'm sure in their panel they can monitor what versions convert more users, and besides the competitors are also using their clearnet version in their signature.

[Pmalek]

I remember that ChiMixer worked only with the TOR site for a long time.

That's right. The clearnet site was sometimes DDOSed and unavailable. So they decided to use the clearnet site to advertise their onion domain and advise users to use that instead. Sinbad shouldn't give up on their clearnet site and each user should have a choice of what to use. But some sort of guide or recommendations wouldn't be bad. For example, one of their FAQs could explain proper mixing practices and mention TOR there. A link from the landing page could say how to mix with Sinbad and lead to instructions which mention using the onion site, and that sort of thing.

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Just a reminder, August 12 is the deadline for participation in the Sinbad.io prediction contest. For a valid application, the guesses must be submitted in both periods.
thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461992.0

POST FORMAT

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Prediction 1: $xx,xxx.xx
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Prediction 2: $xx,xxx.xx
bech32 address:

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[jack80]

Every now and then I use this mixer and I feel good, but there is one thing that bothers me a little. The link of the mixing session, disappears and becomes invalid as soon as he has finished the mixing work. For example, my mixing is finished a little while ago, and the session link no longer works, but I would have liked to check with my own eyes on the page.
24 hours have not yet passed.