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November 02, 2022, 08:46:44 PM
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Freebitco.in, which started as a faucet and today is more of a casino/betting house, also does not require KYC. Apart from those, there are a couple of others that can be seen in Mahdirakib's thread, the rest require KYC above certain amounts above all. So if you want to gamble without KYC, as long as it is not a huge amount, you still can. I hope this space of freedom is maintained as I haven't passed KYC yet for any cryptocurrency casino and I hope I don't have to.
Multi account activity has been prohibited on terms and service even though the platform does not require KYC, top gambling platforms have methods to track multi accounts even if using VPN access or otherwise, so avoid multi accounts as freebitco.in still provides gambling opportunities without KYC.

However, we don't know how long freebitcoin will be still able to operate without KYC rule. Regulators are enforcing the siege over crypto services like never before and at some point soon freebitcoin may be left without any alternatives besides finally introducing the feature to the platform.
If the regulator requests a KYC report then potential KYC features will be added soon for each user. But I rarely see intense discussion about KYC on the freebitco.in platform and I think if the team isn't going to press for KYC for now.

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November 02, 2022, 09:51:11 PM
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Almost impossible, but not impossible at all, we still having some casinos like Just-Dice who allows multi accounts, bots, and they never ask for KYC. If you use the alts or the bots to try to damage the site, they only ban your account, but even banned accounts are allowed to withdraw. I would say is the last one of that freedom casinos types.

Freebitco.in, which started as a faucet and today is more of a casino/betting house, also does not require KYC. Apart from those, there are a couple of others that can be seen in Mahdirakib's thread, the rest require KYC above certain amounts above all. So if you want to gamble without KYC, as long as it is not a huge amount, you still can. I hope this space of freedom is maintained as I haven't passed KYC yet for any cryptocurrency casino and I hope I don't have to.
I agree with @Don Pedro Dinero, who said that Freebitco.in is a casino. Although they don't have too many gambling games, but it is enough for gamblers to bet and is KYC free. And so far, with its reputation, Freebitco.in has become one of the casino sites recommended by many people. The site still provides rewards in the form of faucets for people who want to play gambling directly and the interesting part is that on the site, you can also invest in FUN tokens and get reward points or WoF. But for other casino sites, there may be times when you have to KYC because that's the rule.
And even though they don't require KYC, multi accounts are still hunted and banned by the platform. It means a casino doesn't need KYC feature to fight bots and multi accounts. There are efficient methods of doing this without being intrusive on someone's privacy. So it's not accurate when people say KYC is needed as security measure for the website.

However, we don't know how long freebitcoin will be still able to operate without KYC rule. Regulators are enforcing the siege over crypto services like never before and at some point soon freebitcoin may be left without any alternatives besides finally introducing the feature to the platform.

If freebitcoin can operate without KYC then why can they and the others not? What does freebitcoin have to offer the best service? I have been in freebitcoin and they have and can be used as a wallet for btc, so if they do those things, the casinos that have been here for years and cannot evade KYC? The regulations reach everyone except freebitcoin, this is something that has no excuse, these things are the reason why freebitcoin is one of the best casinos or gaming platforms that are most famous, the casinos that launch without KYC are not of the KYC style, then those that are not KYC are the most criticized casinos.
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November 02, 2022, 10:38:53 PM
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Is KYC verification very important to crypto gambling websites or this has something to do with their regulations rule? Where can one gamble with zero verification requirements?

Now days what we saw in other casino they do more kyc at this is more important to secure the money while you are depositing in them but also we need to be aware that in the world of gambling we encounter a lot of casino that promising that there's no KYC but when you deposit then play and wok some prices then they said that you need to pass those KYC been ask by their facilitator so it's important to as to be aware.
^Sometimes there is shady behavior in a gambling casino, KYC also their loophole, and one valid reason is that they can hold the funds of their users because of this. Sometimes they ask to enhance verification and it could be a video verification that you need to submit. Probably this usually happens in most financial institution services, they are required to have this because they follow regulations.
Zero KYC gambling platforms would be also very risky, you cannot come after them if they will become scam.
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November 03, 2022, 02:30:54 AM
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Almost impossible, but not impossible at all, we still having some casinos like Just-Dice who allows multi accounts, bots, and they never ask for KYC. If you use the alts or the bots to try to damage the site, they only ban your account, but even banned accounts are allowed to withdraw. I would say is the last one of that freedom casinos types.

Freebitco.in, which started as a faucet and today is more of a casino/betting house, also does not require KYC. Apart from those, there are a couple of others that can be seen in Mahdirakib's thread, the rest require KYC above certain amounts above all. So if you want to gamble without KYC, as long as it is not a huge amount, you still can. I hope this space of freedom is maintained as I haven't passed KYC yet for any cryptocurrency casino and I hope I don't have to.
I agree with @Don Pedro Dinero, who said that Freebitco.in is a casino. Although they don't have too many gambling games, but it is enough for gamblers to bet and is KYC free. And so far, with its reputation, Freebitco.in has become one of the casino sites recommended by many people. The site still provides rewards in the form of faucets for people who want to play gambling directly and the interesting part is that on the site, you can also invest in FUN tokens and get reward points or WoF. But for other casino sites, there may be times when you have to KYC because that's the rule.
And even though they don't require KYC, multi accounts are still hunted and banned by the platform. It means a casino doesn't need KYC feature to fight bots and multi accounts. There are efficient methods of doing this without being intrusive on someone's privacy. So it's not accurate when people say KYC is needed as security measure for the website.

However, we don't know how long freebitcoin will be still able to operate without KYC rule. Regulators are enforcing the siege over crypto services like never before and at some point soon freebitcoin may be left without any alternatives besides finally introducing the feature to the platform.
An investigation will continue on suspected accounts of other accounts because they do not want to see their members cheat by having multiple accounts to get more rewards. Perhaps the implementation of KYC is to avoid the problem of money laundering, where when we talk about gambling, it is a big business that brings in a lot of money to gamble. And many of those gamblers spend a lot of money. And because of that, the casino needs to know the background of its members who use that much money so that the casino does not get into trouble with the local authorities.

We can only hope that FreeBitcoin will still operate without KYC rules and will not require KYC on its members. But so far, FreeBitcoin is still safe for gambling, and many people still place bets on the site.

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November 03, 2022, 06:16:21 AM
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Problems may really arise if a gambling platform, especially online, won't require KYC upon registration. One main problem are bots as mentioned by other players here. But same thing goes for implying KYC. Ofcourse we cannot blame those people who are not really into such procedures because they are protecting themselves from further conflicts. We cannot blame them because such problems exist. In some cases, bad people would use personal information of someone to wrongdoings. Indeed there is confidentiatlity and agreement between the player and platform but how sure are we that no one would really be close to your infos? Which gives them a valid side  But uf you are into that specific site, you have no choice but to comply.
Nothing is bad about doing KYC, I always say that I like to do it to avoid future issues with casinos. But casinos nowadays overemphasise this KYC as if they are legit themselves, but they are not if you know how weak many of their registration is. The strength of registration depends on domains/jurisdictions and some even have fraudulent registrations to further with. This is why it is good to go for the casino you trust and abide by all the rules they state including the KYC. Then you might be fine.

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November 03, 2022, 07:03:29 AM
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Nothing is bad about doing KYC, I always say that I like to do it to avoid future issues with casinos. But casinos nowadays overemphasise this KYC as if they are legit themselves, but they are not if you know how weak many of their registration is. The strength of registration depends on domains/jurisdictions and some even have fraudulent registrations to further with. This is why it is good to go for the casino you trust and abide by all the rules they state including the KYC. Then you might be fine.
But I think that KYC is a great evil and an unpleasant procedure when it comes to the use of cryptocurrencies. 
It is also clear that identity verification may be needed when people pay with fiat, but cryptocurrencies were originally created as anonymous monetary units. 
No wonder that until now, for more than 13 years, no one has found out who Satoshi Nakamoto is.  And besides, the KYC procedure always takes your valuable time, and sometimes the data is stolen by scammers and can be used for fraud.  There have already been many such cases.  So the best ones do without KYC.  By the way, the procedure was introduced as mandatory only 6 years ago.  American bankers tried to control clients. 
And in this I see a great muck in relation to the freedom of the individual.

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November 03, 2022, 07:57:43 AM
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And in this I see a great muck in relation to the freedom of the individual.
KYC does interfere with the anonymity of gamblers. but how it is applied nowadays on many gambling platforms due to regulations that may conflict with the country where the player exists.
some countries prohibit gambling, and in the absence of KYC, this can be problematic for both casinos and players alike. other cases as money laundering. We have certainly heard the news regarding crypto exchanges and crypto casinos being used as money laundering by one or several unscrupulous state officials to evade the law.
however KYC is annoying, but it develops because of the situation that does require it to reduce the risk of future problems.



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November 03, 2022, 03:50:17 PM
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KYC verification is very important to crypto gambling sites because their operations depend on it to a certain extent. They are bound to follow the rules which they agree with when they registered and secured their license.

I don't think the same crypto gambling sites would implement KYC if they're not compelled by regulations. While they comply, they're probably hesitant. After all, it is quite ironic for them to ask for personal information when they're involved in crypto.

Anyway, please refer to this very helpful thread by Mahdirakib as regards verification requirements among crypto gambling platforms.
It is that one thing is what we can understand and analyze, being useful to accept things, but there are many people who defend No KYC, and yes to anonymity and privacy, and well, they have every right to do so, without However, when there are sites that do not have KYC requirements, they are usually the most criticized sites, because they tend to lack some licenses, and as I said before, those are the sites that can be very good and do not let them arise, so it is advocated to have all the licenses, but with regulations and prohibitions for some countries or something, for me the platform that is irreverent in every sense of all regulations is the one that will be more successful in the future, not for now, for now that is not possible.

Is KYC verification very important to crypto gambling websites or this has something to do with their regulations rule? Where can one gamble with zero verification requirements?

It is almost impossible to get any casino(online) with zero tolerance to KYC,
Most times the details provided during the KYC are kept private without the interference of a third party. And most of this details are used to prevent money laundering or any financial theft through their platform.
But  I see no reason , why someone with a clean heart and intentions be scared a d worried over KYC?

I think that people's concern about KYC is so that they don't take the data where they live, especially those people who have a somewhat high balance and are afraid that it will fall into unscrupulous hands and want to harm them, so it is a danger and it is what you see for them, in my case this does not happen, firstly because I live in a country where it is very difficult to be surprised, usually you already know how you can defend yourself, apart from that you do not handle large amounts of money , it would be more expensive for the thief to come to the house to steal and if he realizes that as a person he is not afraid of anything because it is something that has to do with it, but in other countries if things are different, there are people who have a better economic status and u maintain high figures.

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November 03, 2022, 04:27:02 PM
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Nothing is bad about doing KYC, I always say that I like to do it to avoid future issues with casinos. [...]
Wherever you do the verification, your data is stored on that company's server. And if that server ever gets hacked, then your data will be in the hands of the hacker after which the hacker will try to take advantage of your data in every possible way.

So KYC is bad.

Try to avoid this as much as possible.
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November 03, 2022, 06:42:05 PM
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Nothing is bad about doing KYC, I always say that I like to do it to avoid future issues with casinos. [...]
Wherever you do the verification, your data is stored on that company's server. And if that server ever gets hacked, then your data will be in the hands of the hacker after which the hacker will try to take advantage of your data in every possible way.

So KYC is bad.

Try to avoid this as much as possible.

There are many reasons why KYC is bad, and why we should avoid it. But the biggest reason is that KYC makes it easy for governments to track your financial transactions. KYC asks for way too many personal details and it can easily put a target on your back. The government wants to know how much money you have, where it comes from, and what you do with it. The more data you give away, the more likely it is that someone could use this information against you. And if your information goes into a database somewhere, there's always a chance that it could get hacked, and then all of your private details would be in the wrong hands.

KYC is destroying the spirit of online gambling. If you care about privacy, the anonymous way of life, and Satoshi's ideology, you're not going to be a fan of KYC, and you should refrain as much as possible from giving up your private information and from signing up to a KYC/AML gambling sites.

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November 04, 2022, 06:49:54 AM
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Nothing is bad about doing KYC, I always say that I like to do it to avoid future issues with casinos. [...]
Wherever you do the verification, your data is stored on that company's server. And if that server ever gets hacked, then your data will be in the hands of the hacker after which the hacker will try to take advantage of your data in every possible way.

So KYC is bad.

Try to avoid this as much as possible.

There are many reasons why KYC is bad, and why we should avoid it. But the biggest reason is that KYC makes it easy for governments to track your financial transactions. KYC asks for way too many personal details and it can easily put a target on your back. The government wants to know how much money you have, where it comes from, and what you do with it. The more data you give away, the more likely it is that someone could use this information against you. And if your information goes into a database somewhere, there's always a chance that it could get hacked, and then all of your private details would be in the wrong hands.

KYC is destroying the spirit of online gambling. If you care about privacy, the anonymous way of life, and Satoshi's ideology, you're not going to be a fan of KYC, and you should refrain as much as possible from giving up your private information and from signing up to a KYC/AML gambling sites.

If it's about the government, I don't care because I myself do not want to breach the law in any way. If they like, let them track me. My only concern is the leak of my details, it has happened before when a hacker I never met informed me through email that my data has been breached.

Nothing is bad about doing KYC, I always say that I like to do it to avoid future issues with casinos. [...]
Wherever you do the verification, your data is stored on that company's server. And if that server ever gets hacked, then your data will be in the hands of the hacker after which the hacker will try to take advantage of your data in every possible way.

So KYC is bad.

Try to avoid this as much as possible.
You have a good point that KYC exposes our data to a third party, I don't even care about it if it's gambling, I have a little trust in them for the protection of my data, so KYC might be dangerous in sharing with them at times. Many casinos do not have the necessary cyber security, so our data is truly susceptible to hacking.

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November 04, 2022, 07:48:47 AM
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There are many reasons why KYC is bad, and why we should avoid it. But the biggest reason is that KYC makes it easy for governments to track your financial transactions.
We like it or not, the government are doing that. Are you not using bank? Have you not used a fiat gambling site before? Fiat gambling sites do require for KYC.

KYC asks for way too many personal details and it can easily put a target on your back. The government wants to know how much money you have, where it comes from, and what you do with it. The more data you give away, the more likely it is that someone could use this information against you. And if your information goes into a database somewhere, there's always a chance that it could get hacked, and then all of your private details would be in the wrong hands.
I accept this, we must also be very careful and avoid KYC whenever it is possible, but in reality, we can not completely avoid KYC.

KYC is destroying the spirit of online gambling. If you care about privacy, the anonymous way of life, and Satoshi's ideology, you're not going to be a fan of KYC, and you should refrain as much as possible from giving up your private information and from signing up to a KYC/AML gambling sites.
Probably we have different approach towards gambling, I gambler just for nothing too good or serious about it, I use just little amount to gamble, the reason I may consider KYC if demanded for. For gamblers that deposit high sum of money, I may advice them otherwise.

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November 04, 2022, 11:53:18 AM
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There are many reasons why KYC is bad, and why we should avoid it. But the biggest reason is that KYC makes it easy for governments to track your financial transactions.
We like it or not, the government are doing that. Are you not using bank? Have you not used a fiat gambling site before? Fiat gambling sites do require for KYC.

Yes, the governments are doing that. Whether we like it or not, we have to accept that. However, there is a difference between using banks and using online casinos. If I take cash from the bank and spend it on gambling, the government doesn't always have to know about it. Not all brick-and-mortar casinos require KYC, especially for small stake, casual gamblers.

KYC is destroying the spirit of online gambling. If you care about privacy, the anonymous way of life, and Satoshi's ideology, you're not going to be a fan of KYC, and you should refrain as much as possible from giving up your private information and from signing up to a KYC/AML gambling sites.
Probably we have different approach towards gambling, I gambler just for nothing too good or serious about it, I use just little amount to gamble, the reason I may consider KYC if demanded for. For gamblers that deposit high sum of money, I may advice them otherwise.

That's exactly my point. I still think that requiring a full KYC for small amounts is overkill and I think that KYC and AML laws should be relaxed when it comes to recreational gambling. It's not a major financial transaction, nor one where the risk of money laundering is particularly high. Let players and casinos alike enjoy their games in peace. I mean, maybe it's just a matter of personal opinion, but shouldn't KYC and AML laws be concerned with preventing money laundering from the beginning and the source? No one is going to try to launder ill-gotten money by depositing $100 into an online casino platform, so AML laws make no sense here. And also, it doesn't really make sense to enforce AML when someone wins some amount gambling. Perhaps this unfair policy will change in the future, though; I would certainly hope so.

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November 04, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
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Where can one gamble with zero verification requirements?
there are some gambling sites that do not require KYC when you want to bet there. but later if you suddenly win big at the gambling and want to withdraw your money with a large amount, of course you will be asked to KYC

unfortunately scam casinos are using KYC as an argument not to pay, even when the customer wins 100$ scam casinos start using the argument that they have detected suspicious activity and the customer needs to KYC and when the customer does KYC they come with another story, like this The customer is sometimes told that he has too many accounts and for that reason the casino is closing the customer's account and confirming all the customer's winnings. and since no one else has access to the casino's security system, we are all forced to believe what the casino is saying, that is, it has become a very powerful weapon for the casinos.

That's exactly my point. I still think that requiring a full KYC for small amounts is overkill and I think that KYC and AML laws should be relaxed when it comes to recreational gambling. It's not a major financial transaction, nor one where the risk of money laundering is particularly high. Let players and casinos alike enjoy their games in peace. I mean, maybe it's just a matter of personal opinion, but shouldn't KYC and AML laws be concerned with preventing money laundering from the beginning and the source? No one is going to try to launder ill-gotten money by depositing $100 into an online casino platform, so AML laws make no sense here. And also, it doesn't really make sense to enforce AML when someone wins some amount gambling. Perhaps this unfair policy will change in the future, though; I would certainly hope so.

the worst part is that the owners of the casinos are anonymous people so it makes no sense to be asking people to do KYC when the owners of the casinos are anonymous people, i honestly can't understand this point of KYC, someone money launderer can also create casino, so why are governments not fair on this KYC issue? in new and anonymous casinos asking for KYC, and no one can guarantee that these new and anonymous casinos will get people's documents safe

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November 04, 2022, 03:42:32 PM
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I am not sure how can one expect KYC free casino? It’s financial domain and it has money involved in it so definitely they will need to verify us and with whom they are dealing. Plus they will always have pressure from the taxation authorities to show the information. This is due to electronic laws that will not allow free money circulation over the internet right? That’s the whole reason bitcoin was made by Mr Satoshi. However, this is a system and it will always get regulated with big authorities to overcome the tax burden.
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I am not sure how can one expect KYC free casino? It’s financial domain and it has money involved in it so definitely they will need to verify us and with whom they are dealing. Plus they will always have pressure from the taxation authorities to show the information. This is due to electronic laws that will not allow free money circulation over the internet right? That’s the whole reason bitcoin was made by Mr Satoshi. However, this is a system and it will always get regulated with big authorities to overcome the tax burden.
Yes, you have a point on this very statement of yours, and I have no doubt about it, because in as much as KYC is very important, there are some persons who don't like the idea of KYC, but not that it's bad, but for personal security reasons. But due to the level of internet fraud happening now our days, casinos have no choice but to implement it for fairness and ability to monitor all transactions

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November 05, 2022, 02:18:07 PM
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I am not sure how can one expect KYC free casino? It’s financial domain and it has money involved in it so definitely they will need to verify us and with whom they are dealing. Plus they will always have pressure from the taxation authorities to show the information. This is due to electronic laws that will not allow free money circulation over the internet right? That’s the whole reason bitcoin was made by Mr Satoshi. However, this is a system and it will always get regulated with big authorities to overcome the tax burden.
Yes, you have a point on this very statement of yours, and I have no doubt about it, because in as much as KYC is very important, there are some persons who don't like the idea of KYC, but not that it's bad, but for personal security reasons. But due to the level of internet fraud happening now our days, casinos have no choice but to implement it for fairness and ability to monitor all transactions

Every casino has a dept reason why they are using some KYC in the first place. It because it will lead their customer to avoid cheating which not all but there are some gamblers who will cheat in a game in order to win the prizes and that's the reason why they are asking KYC from withdrawal and depositing a of money. But some gamblers prefer to don't have any KYC it because of security which is to avoid private information to be known.
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November 05, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
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I am not sure how can one expect KYC free casino? It’s financial domain and it has money involved in it so definitely they will need to verify us and with whom they are dealing. Plus they will always have pressure from the taxation authorities to show the information. This is due to electronic laws that will not allow free money circulation over the internet right? That’s the whole reason bitcoin was made by Mr Satoshi. However, this is a system and it will always get regulated with big authorities to overcome the tax burden.
Yes, you have a point on this very statement of yours, and I have no doubt about it, because in as much as KYC is very important, there are some persons who don't like the idea of KYC, but not that it's bad, but for personal security reasons. But due to the level of internet fraud happening now our days, casinos have no choice but to implement it for fairness and ability to monitor all transactions
If there is any abuse doing by the user, the casino can see their identity and immediately report it to the authorities. Indeed some gamblers who don't break any rules, don't like KYC for personal security reasons because they don't want to send their documents to other parties. But they are forced to obey him if they want to keep playing at the casino site.

But we can still play on casino sites without doing KYC because some casinos still allow it, especially if we only use small money to play gambling. And if the casino does a check, they will not find any violations or use of big money to gamble.

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November 05, 2022, 03:49:52 PM
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I am not sure how can one expect KYC free casino? It’s financial domain and it has money involved in it so definitely they will need to verify us and with whom they are dealing. Plus they will always have pressure from the taxation authorities to show the information. This is due to electronic laws that will not allow free money circulation over the internet right? That’s the whole reason bitcoin was made by Mr Satoshi. However, this is a system and it will always get regulated with big authorities to overcome the tax burden.
Yes, you have a point on this very statement of yours, and I have no doubt about it, because in as much as KYC is very important, there are some persons who don't like the idea of KYC, but not that it's bad, but for personal security reasons. But due to the level of internet fraud happening now our days, casinos have no choice but to implement it for fairness and ability to monitor all transactions
If there is any abuse doing by the user, the casino can see their identity and immediately report it to the authorities. Indeed some gamblers who don't break any rules, don't like KYC for personal security reasons because they don't want to send their documents to other parties. But they are forced to obey him if they want to keep playing at the casino site.

But we can still play on casino sites without doing KYC because some casinos still allow it, especially if we only use small money to play gambling. And if the casino does a check, they will not find any violations or use of big money to gamble.
It's not all about the user's security but rather it also involves the security of the gambling platform itself such as what you've said about abusers or probably fraudulent transactions that they would like to avoid happening on their platform. If a gambler isn't comfortable providing their identity on the casino, then I suggest they either gamble small or avoid going over the withdrawal limit for KYC-free users and not doing anything that would violate the terms of the casino. But if you want to continue gambling at the said casino and that you trust it, then proceed with the KYC and avoid providing it on other platforms.



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November 05, 2022, 05:57:36 PM
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But there could be users that used the identity of other person for verification. Given that, let's say that the particular user used legitimate documents of himself/herself it will be then okay to be reported to the authorities.
The set of rules are dependent to the casino that implements it. If they are strict with it, then most probably you'll need to abide it otherwise, face the consequences such as not being able to play on their site anymore.

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