Do You Want KYC at Crypto Casinos During Registration?

[Pmalek]

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Crypto casinos used to be places where it was possible to bet on sports and play casino games without undergoing KYC and identity verification. Players were allowed to preserve their privacy but still partake in gambling. But things aren’t always as they seem.

These platforms often advertise themselves as NO KYC, but are they really?

We are at a point where KYC requirements are being abused. Those active in the scam accusations board can probably remember many cases where players have complained about unexpected requests to verify their identities. This wouldn’t be a problem if the rules were explained and honored from the beginning.

What is happening with KYC that is so troublesome?

When you open a betting account, most casinos won’t ask you who you are.
When you want to deposit cryptocurrencies, you’re welcome to do so.
If you want to bet and play games, there usually aren’t any problems.
If you lose your coins and you wish to deposit more, no one asks you anything.
No one is called a cheater or a rule breaker when they are losing. There are no TOS infringements, either.

But if you start winning and win big, you soon become the center of attention. All of a sudden, it becomes important who you are, where you are from, the origin of your coins, and whether you have any ulterior motives for being here.

I believe many problems and misunderstandings wouldn’t happen if crypto casinos were transparent and upfront with their players from the start.

You wouldn’t be banned because you were gambling from a restricted location only after you win. That is if the casino had checked this and informed you that you aren’t allowed to gamble there the moment you tried to register. Your withdrawal request wouldn’t have been rejected because you are underage if the casino verified your legal age during your first deposit or before that.

The way the system is set up now, you are welcome to deposit and lose, but please don’t win. Because if you do, you could be thoroughly investigated.

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

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[KennyR]

Majority of the gamblers have got used to it. Maybe one out of hundred makes a big win in gambling. So, this hasn't turned to be a big issue among the gamblers. In simple terms people have used to it. Majority have small wins and that doesn't require any KYC for the withdrawal. KYC at the time of registration will be a big blow to the gambling house, because gamblers prefer to stay anonymous.

[seoincorporation]

Great topic mate.

As you mention, a lot of users feels scammed by the current way that casinos works because they should ask for KYC before the user makes a deposit and not after that happens, because it looks like the casinos are using the KYC as an excuse to keep the users profit after a huge win, and this is a nasty move.

I don't like the KYC and i would like to avoid it. Some hours ago i was reading in the TOS of a new casino how they ask for pictures of both sides of your credit card as KYC, and that's really dangerous for the users because they are not exposing only their personal information... now they could lose the money from their bank account with carding 

[NeuroticFish]

Uh, it's... complicated (and I agree, great topic!)

KYC can be abused in many ways. Arguably a casino can start just collecting user info (and sell it, or get hacked). Like everywhere, KYC is dangerous to give - you don't know who will get it and what will do with it.
But KYC may be OK to become a standard. Indeed, a casino asking for KYC at start, or before the first deposit anyway, could look more legit.
On the other hand, as the things stand now, especially in crypto, I'd expect people will avoid the casinos starting like that, just because they prefer more privacy.

The result is, of course, that casinos don't need KYC.. until they do. Some scam accusations here and there, some crying and flexing the muscles, but people are already used to this. We're in some sort of gray zone everybody tends to be happy with.


So: it could be good, with some reserves, but it will probably not happen unless strongly enforced, since everybody seems more happy in the gray zone.

[ryzaadit]

I agree and don't mind doing that.

Especially for "CASINO" who asking KYC at the time we're registered and "BEFORE WE DEPOSIT" the fund. The problem we are facing is, some of CASINO is asking KYC at the time we're winning or after we deposit the money.

Another things for "KYC" problem: Source of Income & Proof of address in some third country not everyone have this, because most of us, still living in the family. I'm hoping to get a solution for this one, it's make a big problem for some people.

[iv4n]

As always, I will try to avoid it whenever I can, but if I need to do it I will. I don't want KYC during registration or later... it's not like I am running away from KYC, I just wish for less "papyrology"! I like it when it's easy and simple, without much hassle...

And I also think that KYC is being abused more than it contributes to stopping cheaters and scammers. Simply, it's so easy to bypass it, so what's the point!?

[darkangel11]

I wouldn't want any KYC at all, but there's no such option in the poll

If I have to choose, I'd prefer all cards on the table. Either you ask me for KYC at registration or never. Some casinos don't ask unless you're withdrawing big money, that's understandable but having low requirements for KYC and at the same time trying to cheat people calling yourself no KYC casino is pretty abusive.

[bitbollo]

We are at a point where KYC requirements are being abused. Those active in the scam accusations board can probably remember many cases where players have complained about unexpected requests to verify their identities. This wouldn’t be a problem if the rules were explained and honored from the beginning.

Most of these complaints are created by users that are using "radar betting" and they don't want go for a KYC.

Crypto users don't like KYC. I never completed for any ICO/promotion etc etc just in one exchange that is also linked with a bank account (HYPE).

The real problem with KYC is... who will receive my data? They are storing with professional way? I can really trust them?
Maybe "bigger" groups are really trusted but the small platforms? You will trust? If is possible I just avoid any site that is forcing in this process.

[BitcoinAccepted]

Many casinos that are required to undergo. I don't think they want it either, because they know that many customers do not enjoy this. However, most gamblers will not have a problem with this because everyone now understands and above all accepts that you have to cooperate with the KYC if you want a verified account and do not want to have any problems with your payouts. New sites that are anonymous may choose not to use KYC, but the older sites and gambling license sites will all request a KYC sooner or later.

[Hydrogen]

No one is called a cheater or a rule breaker when they are losing. There are no TOS infringements, either.

But if you start winning and win big, you soon become the center of attention. All of a sudden, it becomes important who you are, where you are from, the origin of your coins, and whether you have any ulterior motives for being here.

UFC President Dana White can share similar stories.

DANA WHITE
I WAS BANNED FROM GAMBLING AT VEGAS CASINO
... After $2 Mil Victory!!!

Dana White says he's gambler non grata at the Palms Casino in Vegas -- after the UFC boss kicked the casino's ass during a $2 million run just a few weeks ago.

White says the Palms gave him his "walking papers -- after crushing blackjack while playing $25k per hand.

White told the Las Vegas Review Journal's Norm Clarke the casino told White his limit was being cut all the way down to $5k per hand.

"I beat them for [nearly $2 million], and they asked me not to play anymore," White told Clarke.

"A lot of people are going to think I’m a card counter after that Ben Affleck thing at the Hard Rock. I’m the farthest thing from card counter."

It's the SECOND time White's been pushed out of the casino -- back in 2012, he broke ties with The Palms after the honchos cut his credit line in half. White boycotted the place for 22 months and says the only reason he went back is because he was wooed back with a case of expensive wine.

https://www.tmz.com/2014/06/02/dana-white-banned-gambling-palms-vegas-casino-2-million-victory-blackjack/

Joe Rogan said Dana White is banned from most casinos in vegas for being a consistent winner.

Around 2018 many casinos and gambling websites were bought out by wallstreet investors. That was when they began to crackdown more aggressively on winners in gambling.

Coincidentally it was also when judging in boxing and MMA began to become more controversial.

We were lucky to have that brief deregulated golden age of crypto gambling.

Maybe in the future it can be rebuilt by opening a casino in international waters or outside the borders of existing nations to escape regulation.

[Mahanton]

Whenever i do encounter KYC verification on the time i do make out registration then i do simply say "meh" and will find out another place for me to play without being asked like this.
There's soo much platforms in numbers who does that and thats more preferable because we do know that kyc is shit and we prefer anonymity.On the other hand, im already aware
of those current platforms who doesnt ask out kyc at first but possibly could be changed when you do make out big wins or withdrawals,this is where i do reconsider on complying
even i do hate it because if the money is significant then for sure all wouldnt really be hesitating on doing so.

[Boristhecat]

Leave the possibility of being asked for KYC when requesting withdrawals or after big wins.

For the obvious reasons you listed, this is not an acceptable option. In an ideal world, the player first goes through all the necessary procedures (including the KYC), and then gets the opportunity to play in the casino. If he has passed all the procedures, then there are no more additional checks and the withdrawal of funds is done automatically (even if your winnings are very large).
Unfortunately, we live in an imperfect world and players from time to time encounter the problems that you described, but reputation plays a role here. Experienced gamblers play only at reputable casinos, which means that these casinos will not use KYC against their client and in general for fraudulent purposes, only out of real necessity.

[wheelz1200]

That's the way it is, any big time site will have kyc.  But if you are looking for an answer to your question on the subject line, no.  Nobody wants to hand out more personal information than they need to.  If they give you a choice it's nope.  Rules and regs dictate the industry.

[FatFork]

Thanks for this great topic, Pmalek.

In addition to the KYC issues mentioned in your post, I have also noticed the emergence of unlicensed and unregulated online casinos that have KYC requirements in their terms of service. These online casinos have no legal rights to ask for personal information from gamblers. This is especially true considering that many countries have regulations such as the GDPR in place. In my opinion, this is a clear example of why it's important to be aware of the legal status of an online casino before depositing. However, there are a lot of gamblers who don't realize this and hand over their personal information without hesitation. This is where I believe that the problem lies. The casinos are clearly aware of this fact and use it to their advantage.

[South Park]

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My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

This is a difficult question, without a doubt the most honest approach is to ask for KYC verification from the start, this way gamblers will know from the beginning this casino ask for that information and if they are willing to submit it they can do it now and if they are not willing they can refuse and simply move on and try to find a casino which refuses to do KYC, however I will not deny that something like this will be problematic for me as so far I have been able to avoid to verify to identify myself and such a thing will directly impact me.

[Baofeng]

I voted for: "Leave the possibility of being asked for KYC when requesting withdrawals or after big wins."

I understand that crypto based casinos are also being mandated by regulators or at least they are following the rules that KYC should be enforce. However, I would like to see casino just asking for it when you reach some threshold on withdrawal. Same on the 2 bitcoin limit on some exchanges that still exist. If it less than let say 1 bitcoin, then there should be no KYC to ask for it's players. But if it reaches 2 bitcoin withdrawal then users should have to undergo KYC. But in return the casino should get them answers in a day or 2 or at least 3 days max to see if they pass it or not.

[Fatunad]

Leave the possibility of being asked for KYC when requesting withdrawals or after big wins.

Its always been commonly on-site terms and conditions which they do have the rights on asking out whenever they do see some shady acts.
When you win big then there are casinos which doesn't still ask out for some verification and would withdraw all of the money you do had
without questions asked.We do hate KYC and this is where people dont like and much prefer on having no kyc.

[royalfestus]

I see a lot of reactions against KYC on this space everytime here and on social media but I consider wallet users to  be more secure in the use of KYC for moderation of withdrawal. It is reasonable to neglect security and it use on deposit of coin because they are not in the custody of the wallet owner. Howecr

[Johnyz]

It’s always good to know ahead of time that they are requiring KYC the moment you register with them than to experience later on a problem with your withdrawal because you didn’t fill out any KYC yet. If the site include this option at first, gambling can already decide if they will push the registration or go for other option which is a free KYC site. Personally, I’m fine with this and doing this upon registration is ok, at least they disclose this requirement honestly.

[Rruchi man]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

The issue of KYC verification will always bring up an argument that some casinos have dubious characters and hiding behind the excuse of kyc to discourage customers from getting their money, while others will see the need to eliminate this constant arguments. I think it is best to have all casinos run kyc at the beginning registration process so that users of the platform they know exactly what they're getting into before they do to avoid funny stories later.

[AmoreJaz]

Leave the possibility of being asked for KYC when requesting withdrawals or after big wins.

Its always been commonly on-site terms and conditions which they do have the rights on asking out whenever they do see some shady acts.
When you win big then there are casinos which doesn't still ask out for some verification and would withdraw all of the money you do had
without questions asked.We do hate KYC and this is where people dont like and much prefer on having no kyc.

i voted for this option. so it means also that the player should give their true name during registration, so in case they need to submit KYC later on, they won't have any problem. because if your registered name doesn't correspond to your kyc docs, the site may flag it down and that's when you may encounter some trouble. most of the time, you will only play big to one or couple of casinos. but the rest, you mostly likely are in the testing stage so it is not worth to submit kyc upon registration, if you will do this to all casinos you visited.

[acroman08]

despite issues being avoided if KYC is asked during registration I would still pick the second option. I am a casual gambler and do not gamble a lot of money and I am not comfortable giving out my information for the amount of money I gamble. anyway, if the casino is going to have a mandatory KYC during withdrawal with any amount(which I saw on several casinos that have posted ANN threads here in the forum) they should just ask for KYC during withdrawal.

[aioc]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

I prefer the current status quo I'm a small player and many small players would want their identity to be safe but even small players should be sure that they know the KYC requirement of the casino they are playing so in case they win a big amount of money they will not be in the dark and they don't know how to proceed, be sure to check the history of the casino you're playing how they ask and what they will do with your information.

[Yogee]

It looks like the second option is going to win by a mile.

Some of the recent issues raised by players whose accounts were suspended or banned is why the casinos asking KYC late or why they accepted deposit first before asking KYC. It's actually a good question but I still wouldn't want a casino asking KYC upfront. There are many of us who would want to test a platform first. I don't want to submit my personal information before I'm convinced that I'm going to play there.

[Scripture]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

To avoid any issues in the future better for the site to disclose this right away, require every registration with level 1 KYC and state it on your site so gambler will not be fooled by no KYC statement when in fact, it's actually part of their terms and conditions. I'd rather fill out KYC form than to experience any problem later on, I understand the hassle dealing with the KYC especially if you are about to withdraw some funds. Gamblers will have a different views with regards to this, and that's ok.

[Kemarit]

I will go old fashioned and voted for

I would rather lose all my money than go through KYC.
   
I'm not a big fish in gambling anyway, so why would I go to KYC when I don't win that huge although I bet on different sports. It's just the KYC will be a hassle for the majority of us and hopefully there will still be some casinos that will not require us to send our personal documents just to withdraw 100 dollars.

[Saisher]

Casinos imposed the KYC because of their being compliant in money laundering because money laundering with the use of casinos was and still is very prevalent and of course their rules of not allowing minors to play in their casino and countries where they do not accept players, and it only happens when you put on in a big amount of money, (possible case of money laundering)  and you won a big amount, possibility that you're a minor or you are from a location that they do now allow.

[harizen]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Asking KYC during the registration process in a "crypto-casino" is something that I don't really like. With lots of crypto-gambling sites, complying with KYC at several of those (in case I want to try the platform) is to hassle aside from the fact that I didn't even know if I will keep on playing on that site for long.

I understand that most crypto-gambling sites are now slowly hit by the regulation but as much as possible KYC should just be asked depending on some circumstances and that should be written clearly in the Terms and Conditions, not in the registration process.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Like I always say, going through document verification has never been my problem as I have no cockroach in my cupboard to hind, however, I understand how important it is to be very careful where or who I submit my personal information do, as to not to end up giving it to the wrong people that will either sell it for their personal gain or use it to commit crimes that will lead the authorities to me.

To answer the question, let's assume the casino in question is a reputable and legitimate company, then I would prefer to complete my kyc verification upon registration, rather than waiting until and win a significant amount of money before they start asking me to pass kyc verification before I can be able to withdraw.

This is why I personally like stake, I passed kyc verification on stake.com the same dey I registered an account, I haven't gambled a dime, now, I am rest assured that if I win a good amount of money in the future, I wouldn't have to go through the stress of passing verification before I can withdraw my money.

[coin-investor]

I prefer the current set up only big winners can be asked by KYC provided that when the player completed and passed the KYC they will get the withdrawals and not take the money hostage because of their KYC, not all who play in casinos can win big prizes, so the majority of players' information is safe, and the majority of gamblers now in this new era of Cryptocurrency gambling prefer to be anonymous that is why they do not hold out when playing in as many casinos as they can pay because they feel safe without these KYC's when in registration stage.

[Yaunfitda]

It's a very tricky question to be honest. Maybe there are still here who prefer no KYC even for large withdrawals. But as others have pointed out, the current regulation and setup are very different as compare to years ago when their is no KYC.

I guess for me, read the TOS first understand. And if you are very ask for KYC for large withdrawals, then I guess you can't do anything about it but to follow because it involved your winning money. Hopefully though those casinos that are asking KYC have secured our documents and there should no event of leakage or something.

So I voted for the second option.

[noormcs5]

But if you start winning and win big, you soon become the center of attention. All of a sudden, it becomes important who you are, where you are from, the origin of your coins, and whether you have any ulterior motives for being here.

I am not in favor of gambling casino making he KYC mandatory and i never want that we have to submit our KYC before playing at any casino but after seeing this situation a number of times, i think we have no option but to perform the kyc at the casino before deposits. This will save us from many things which may occur if we do kyc after we won a big amount.

Sometimes when the casino knows that we have won big amount and completing KYC will make us eligible for the withdraw they do not process our KYC or in some cases rejects the KYC. So if the KYC is done before any such winnings, it will be approved much easily.

[Wexnident]

Most casinos ask for KYC during big wins or withdrawals, which is honestly a pain most of the time so if they'd do that, I'd much rather they do the complete KYC after registration. It just saves the hassle and straight up tells me that I NEED to do KYC to have a smooth sailing experience. Sure, no KYC early on might sound good but if you're planning to stay and play in the casino for a period of time, that idea isn't really for you but rather short-term players.

Ofc as much as possible if there was no KYC involved then yes, it'd be great! But the world ain't as kind as we'd like it to be.

[ralle14]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

I honestly think the current rules they have are good enough for me since most of my big wins aren't big enough to even trigger their KYC. I voted for the third option since doing KYC for me would be the last resort but I think I should've switched my vote to the second option since I still wouldn't mind if they put up a threshold. It'd be great though if we can go back to the old times when casinos barely require any info no matter what but it's unavoidable when there are gamblers that will always look to abuse casinos.

[Poker Player]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

In my case I prefer that if they are going to ask for KYC they do it during registration, not after if I have earned a certain amount, and I voted for that option. What happens is that the casinos know that if they implement this measure they would lose a considerable amount of business.

In general, a responsible gambler should read the TOS and know that they can ask for KYC. If you do not like KYC there are still some casinos that have not implemented it, and I say still because I am afraid they will be less and less, in the same way that today they are much less than 5 years ago.

[Pierre 2]

I personally dislike when companies indirectly lie to customers. If KYC is necessary for one specific company/website they should state it directly through main pages of their websites. It can be time waste for people that seek anonymity if they get to point and stuck with KYC at withdrawal page etc. I really hate kyc in overall. Its more easy and advantageous to go through processes with total anonymity.

[bittraffic]

It's kind of deceiving indeed when they say no KYC but will ask one day especially if you are winning or withdrawing a huge amount of winning. But then, either way, the rules are not up to us. If you are going to play, you follow thier rules that's the only way you can play in the casino. The option that we have is to just move to some dapps that are 100% sure not going to ask you data.

[traderethereum]

I chose "Leave the possibility of being asked for KYC when requesting withdrawals or after big wins." because I only play gambling regularly and don't really think about winning or losing.
So if one day I can win a lot of money from gambling and the casino asks me to do KYC when I want to withdraw my winnings, maybe I will.
But I will see first what amount of money I can win so it will be worth doing KYC at the casino.
But I hope the casino won't ask me to do KYC because if they see my gambling journey, I don't use too much money to gamble and my winnings are due to luck that came to me at the right time and place.

[Pmalek]

Some hours ago i was reading in the TOS of a new casino how they ask for pictures of both sides of your credit card as KYC, and that's really dangerous for the users because they are not exposing only their personal information... now they could lose the money from their bank account with carding 

That's just a ridiculous requirement, and what is that supposed to prove anyways? Can the sensitive information (numbers) be blacked out or are they requesting everything to be visible in those screenshots? With that information, they have everything they need to make online purchases using those cards. That fact alone is enough reason to have that casino tagged. Can you tell me which casino that is? I would like to check it out. PM me if you don't want to write about it in public. I could open a thread about it.   

Another things for "KYC" problem: Source of Income & Proof of address in some third country not everyone have this, because most of us, still living in the family. I'm hoping to get a solution for this one, it's make a big problem for some people.

Proof of address is something you will see with traditional fiat casinos as well, and I would say that's a normal thing. Not everyone receives utility bills in their own name. If you live with your parents, for example. everything will be addressed to their names. But this is something that can discussed with the casino support staff. If the surname is the same, it should be ok.

I wouldn't want any KYC at all, but there's no such option in the poll

Sure there is. The last option that says you would rather lose your money and forfeit your wins than undergo KYC.

Most of these complaints are created by users that are using "radar betting" and they don't want go for a KYC.

Sorry, but what is radar betting? I don't remember ever seeing that term before.

In addition to the KYC issues mentioned in your post, I have also noticed the emergence of unlicensed and unregulated online casinos that have KYC requirements in their terms of service. These online casinos have no legal rights to ask for personal information from gamblers.

If there is no regulator that requires them to do that, you are right, they shouldn't have that as part of their rules. But they still need a way to ensure players are not abusing their bonuses or using multiple accounts. KYC is unfortunately the way to do that. They can also use the information to keep a record or banned players.

However, I would like to see casino just asking for it when you reach some threshold on withdrawal. Same on the 2 bitcoin limit on some exchanges that still exist. If it less than let say 1 bitcoin, then there should be no KYC to ask for it's players.

The thing is, players get asked to verify their identities even for small wins on certain casinos for whatever reason. What you are suggesting isn't a bad solution. But like anything, there is a chance for abuse.

I will try to check the other posts and reply to those at a later time. Great responses so far!   

[robelneo]

Based on the poll here and all past issues in the past, the community is more comfortable with the current situation, only asking KYC if you win a big amount, because of this situation, small players which is the majority of players in a casino are safe from KYC, they just want to have fun without compromising their sensitive information, and casinos too can invite a big number of small players, without asking KYC, the casino sum up these small players' bankroll and they are in a big profit.

[ultrloa]

Based on the poll here and all past issues in the past, the community is more comfortable with the current situation, only asking KYC if you win a big amount, because of this situation, small players which is the majority of players in a casino are safe from KYC, they just want to have fun without compromising their sensitive information, and casinos too can invite a big number of small players, without asking KYC, the casino sum up these small players' bankroll and they are in a big profit.

No one really want to expose their selves by betting small amounts only and I understand how sentiments goes with this since its really unfair in the first place that you have been ask for a KYC while you only deal with small amount of money in casino. I would love to agree with others to execute only the Kyc when winning a huge amount since its understandable that this is part of verification.

[Oshosondy]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

This is how gambling sites are, the proper thing to do is to make sure anyone that register completed KYC before they can be able to make use of the gambling site, but all the gambling site will let you deposit, if you win, they ask for KYC. It is just a way that favours gambling site but not the gamblers. This is pertaining to gambling sites that legally registered and have a license, but the governments are unable to mandate the gambling site to let all people that want to use the gambling site to do KYC before gambling, they failed to protect their people from this. That is just the truth.

[EarnOnVictor]

I must say that my answers to the above poll are two, but the OP does not allow that. I would have loved to choose both "Complete KYC during the registration and leave the possibility of being asked for KYC when requesting withdrawals or after big wins" because some casinos are tricky and annoying, thinking they are smart. Some would tell you from the beginning to complete your KYC, which is more proper, but most would lure you into gambling without a KYC but forced it on you after a small or big win. Can you decode the psychology behind that? If you can't provide it, you lose your money, while some will reject the KYC many times to frustrate you of not getting your winning or delay it. But they can receive your big deposit without KYC.

[Solosanz]

If the casino ask the user KYC upon registration, it will make the user feel uncomfortable since they're don't know how trustworthy the casino is. I'd say mandatory KYC rule is make sense since gambler need to observe, play, and withdraw his winning to see how trustworthy the casino is. I would rather to complete my KYC if I win a huge money, because before I gamble, I already aware they have a mandatory KYC rule. It's different if I play on KYC free casino, there's no chance I will get asked to provide KYC.

[BobK71]

KYC is a great problem for the gamblers. For small transactions i don't think KYC is much needed. KYC should be made mandatory for those willing to gamble with large amounts. When a user registers, he needs to analyze his gambling limit and ‍according to the gambling amount he or she should be asked for KYC. If it is happen with this way then gamblers will be more comfortable.

[Plaguedeath]

Gamble on centralized casinos mean you're already agree if someday the casinos will ask your KYC since it's their right. If they're not ask your KYC during registration and let you deposit until you withdraw your winnings, it's not no KYC casino, but you're just waiting to being asked to provide KYC. Since I know at the end the casino will ask my KYC, I would rather to KYC my account during registration.

Of course you need to KYC on trusted casinos only, don't the unknown and not trusted casinos.

[ethereumhunter]

If I see a casino has implemented KYC at the beginning of registration, I will probably skip it and look for another casino that does not implement KYC. That means I have to reveal my identity at the casino. I'd rather wait for the casino to ask me to KYC the next time I want to withdraw money.

But usually, I will look for information about KYC at the casino before registering to know if the casino applies KYC at the beginning or when we want to withdraw the money. But since I don't spend much money on gambling, I guess the casino won't ask me to do KYC because I'm not a big gambler and they won't check me.

[madnessteat]

In my opinion, if the casino agreement does not say that they have the right to request proof of identity at any time and do it after the user wins a large sum, it is a violation of user rights and I would not advise anyone to play at such gambling sites. And if the casino positioning that they do not require users to pass KYC, and then ask for documents, then it is clearly a fraud. The casinos must be responsible for their words as the interaction between them and the users in most cases is based only on trust.

[FatFork]

Some hours ago i was reading in the TOS of a new casino how they ask for pictures of both sides of your credit card as KYC, and that's really dangerous for the users because they are not exposing only their personal information... now they could lose the money from their bank account with carding 

That's just a ridiculous requirement, and what is that supposed to prove anyways? Can the sensitive information (numbers) be blacked out or are they requesting everything to be visible in those screenshots? With that information, they have everything they need to make online purchases using those cards. That fact alone is enough reason to have that casino tagged. Can you tell me which casino that is? I would like to check it out. PM me if you don't want to write about it in public. I could open a thread about it.   

Yeah, this is pretty crazy requirement, and I am generally skeptical of this practice. It seems strange that they would need photos of both sides of your credit card just to confirm your identity or to confirm that it's yours and not someone else's.  

I've never heard of this being a requirement for any reputable company, and I personally don't think it should be. It seems like this would be a great way for scammers to get copies of your credit cards and use them to make unauthorized purchases, or to sell them to other scammers on the dark web. In fact, this is exactly how credit card scammers work! This is just another example of why it's important to be fully aware of what you're agreeing to when you sign up for a new service and to read the fine print - it can help you avoid getting surprised by unexpected requirements down the road.

@seoincorporation, would you mind sharing the casino's name so we can investigate further?

[dimonstration]

I preferred the current status of Casino KYC system rather than requiring KYC upon registration since it is hassle and will take some time for a KYC to get approved while gamblers wants to play immediately the moment they saw the casino. It will create a major turn off for a casino to obligate all there user to undergo KYC since not all users is playing using huge amount of money like me.

I only experienced once to undergo KYC and not because I’m playing using huge amount of money but rather I have too frequent withdrawal and deposit which casino accused me for money laundering which I proved not.

[Yatsan]

If players are into KYC services, they should have played with FIAT-Based casinos. Personally, I am against KYC procedures not only in gambling but to most of the online services, because I am anxious that my information could be used to something which may cause danger to me, basically. I do get the point of KYC to those which are mainly for transactions, but in gambling, I guess addresses (cryptowallet) would be enough for a player to send and recieve payments to the gambling site. Personal informations are quite suspiscious even if the gambling site itself is considered trusted or registered.

[Smartvirus]

KYC without any exaggeration is some serious issue in the cryptospace. Like, crypto is supposed to be privacy and anonymity inclined and having KYC checks kind of places an infringement to its smooth running. For reasons that could lead to infringement, KYC isn't very much publicised by these platforms as some way to present itselfas friendly but in the end, its what you get for winning big! Making winning big looks like a trap!
Technically, one can say, "your not allowed to win big on crypro betting platforms". You either get to violate your ethics/policy or for go your wins. That's sad!

I think things should be made a lot clearer during the registration. If big wins would be an issue,

There could be an account grading system that limits bets and winnings for KYC agreed to comply accounts and those to have disagreed. Those should be stated during registration, perhaps in a column to tick, not necessarily the T&C as most users don't read those but projected given as, popular complaints and avoid drama.

[kamvreto]

Maybe some casino sites exist that apply KYC only for large transactions and when only small transactions occur there will be no KYC request. it's better than having to implement all the KYC at different levels. there will be a limit on the number of withdrawals that KYC will request. I myself have never done KYC on gambling sites, because gambling sites are just for entertainment and not looking for more profit.
If during registration asked for KYC I will certainly stay away from it.

[rhomelmabini]

I think it's not that bad being asked regarding KYC in the first place as long as it wasn't that a thorough KYC or should I say a minimal KYC only. I think it should be asked on the choices if it's minimal or a strong preference of KYC that includes lot of documents because that will confused other people.

[danherbias07]

Voted for the 2nd one.
I am a lazy man when it comes to filling up forms. In the end, I will stop before I submit it and just look for another gambling site that doesn't mandate a KYC to be filled.
It happened to me before with Bet.ag if my memory is correct. There's the introduction of putting in all your details before you can start betting.
I didn't continue and just checked gambling platforms here in the forum and finally, I saw 2 trusted sites that don't require too much information to continue. An e-mail and a verification are sufficient although I haven't tried withdrawals in large amounts yet.

[Darker45]

I know I have already raised this issue sometime before. I have always considered this sneaky or unfair. This is the same behavior I observed with centralized exchanges as well.

It's really a cheap tactic for gambling platforms to only be strict, or even perhaps to only apply the terms and conditions, when it's them who are losing money. But if they are earning, even while violations are being done, they won't lift a finger. They are more than willing to turn a blind eye, act as if they didn't notice, or perhaps they don't really notice anything at all because they couldn't care less. What's important is that they earn.

But as far as the available options are concerned, to stick with the status quo is probably the better way to go. It would be best, of course, if there's no KYC but since that's very rarely an option, I'd rather prefer the selective KYC implementation.

[rahmad2nd]

KYC is a scourge that is quite scary for us, the reasons are very diverse. besides we like privacy, but more on maintaining security that might be misused by irresponsible parties. things like hacking and all sorts of things related to illegal activities, are very vulnerable to happen and if they happen, the consequences will be fatal. and we are the ones who suffer the most if something bad happens like many other members said before me.

to be honest, KYC is a dilemma for most members here. however, eventually sooner or later crypto casinos will adopt it as their standard requirement, especially for large withdrawal requirements.
like it or not, I have to choose a casino that has the most credible reputation as our security.

By the way, I clicked the wrong vote option  .

[Jemzx00]

The result is, of course, that casinos don't need KYC.. until they do. gray zone.

I guess this answers' your idea of KYC on casino being troublesome.

For me, it's perfectly fair if casinos will not ask for any KYC or any documents on their gamblers early on especially if they haven't won anything big or violated any ToS of the platform. Actually, I'm much more inclined to not gamble or play to any gambling platform that will ask for KYC during registration or depositing fund on the account. I mean, what if I just want to try and play on the platform for experimental purposes, in this case, I don't want to go to any trouble of providing my information as I will just be there once.

Also, it's better to provide your personal information or go through the KYC process to limited platforms that you'll be using for a long time for my own security purpose. Anyways, I've still chosen the second option to "Leave the possibility of being asked for KYC when requesting withdrawals or after big wins." as I think it'll be worth it if you will be able to withdraw your funds for your identification and having a big win will surely keep me coming back on the casino. But still, the best choice for me would be if the casino will only request for KYC once I've reached the threshold limit for withdrawal amount.

However, in cases where casinos will be announcing or promoting themselves as a KYC-free platform but will request users to proceed with KYC during withdrawal or anytime, then I would never play on that platform as they are deceiving their users and gamblers from the start. It's better not to announce that you're a KYC-free platform than deceiving your users.

[Peanutswar]

Actually, I don't like having a KYC casino because of course each of us information is confidential and it is really important it can be use in different ways if we share those or have an exploit with the user's information, but some of the gambling casinos right now are requiring having a level 1 verification such as basic information and the active email for the recovery, most of the time KYC just asking if the player makes a huge withdrawal and the casino sees those as suspicious activity that's why they ask a KYC,

[NeuroticFish]

The result is, of course, that casinos don't need KYC.. until they do. gray zone.

I guess this answers' your idea of KYC on casino being troublesome.

For me, it's perfectly fair if casinos will not ask for any KYC or any documents on their gamblers early on especially if they haven't won anything big or violated any ToS of the platform. Actually, I'm much more inclined to not gamble or play to any gambling platform that will ask for KYC during registration or depositing fund on the account.

You are the perfect example for what I was saying No offense! Keep in mind that I 100% agree that KYC is usually not needed and dangerous!

Let me elaborate a little. If you join an exchange you will most probably give the KYC info they ask although maybe you won't trade there, but you will obey the rules, because that's how you start your journey in centralized exchanges. I see somehow situation for casinos: if it would become a general rule, you would have no issues to obey, but as it is, there are plenty of reasons not to KYC.

In my country a business can ask for KYC only if they are registered and allowed to handle personal info according to GDPR laws. This could/should stop an exchange start "misbehaving". So I could see a casino asking for KYC more legit. But I know, the world is big and the laws differ. My point was that a casino could be more legit if it asks for KYC - but depends which country's laws it operates under. But it could also just sell the KYC info.

Right now I feel like various casinos hide under the KYC "necessity" to deprive some of their users from the bigger wins; and this is neither fair nor legal.
Of course, asking for KYC may or may not fix this. Hard to tell.

I mean, what if I just want to try and play on the platform for experimental purposes, in this case, I don't want to go to any trouble of providing my information as I will just be there once.

If KYC is asked before you're allowed to deposit, you can play/test with faucet coins or 0-value coins casinos may provide.

[virasisog]

Actually, I don't like having a KYC casino because of course each of us information is confidential and it is really important it can be use in different ways if we share those or have an exploit with the user's information, but some of the gambling casinos right now are requiring having a level 1 verification such as basic information and the active email for the recovery, most of the time KYC just asking if the player makes a huge withdrawal and the casino sees those as a suspicious activity that's why they ask a KYC,

As much as possible, most of us don't want a KYC since we want to protect our identities. We prefer anonymity for our personal security. It's just so disappointing that they would ask KYC before deposit and withdrawal which is quite surprising for their users who don't want to reveal their identities. If I were to choose, I would rather have submitted the KYC requirements during the registration than in the middle of the transaction. At least I know what to expect from the beginning of the registration period.

[panjul07]

Voted for the 2nd option as I will not even register in a casino where KYC is required on registration.
As a small gambler which means that the chance to win huge amount is also small, it does not worth to share my personal document in online casino but it can be something worth if it is asked when I made a huge win so I may consider to pass KYC if I think it is worth for me.

[Findingnemo]

I believe many problems and misunderstandings wouldn’t happen if crypto casinos were transparent and upfront with their players from the start.

You wouldn’t be banned because you were gambling from a restricted location only after you win. That is if the casino had checked this and informed you that you aren’t allowed to gamble there the moment you tried to register. Your withdrawal request wouldn’t have been rejected because you are underage if the casino verified your legal age during your first deposit or before that.

The way the system is set up now, you are welcome to deposit and lose, but please don’t win. Because if you do, you could be thoroughly investigated.

Most casinos are being transparent but in the way they are like each and every website, service platform all over the internet which comes under Terms and Conditions, but most likely people simply ignore to read them while registering and start accusing the casinos when their account put on hold for KYC verification.

Yes, it may look like casinos doesn't care unless the player win big which can be partially true to be frank but their are liable to everything which is happening in their platform for their laws so it is necessary to make it clear there is no kind of money laundering via their platform that is why mostly KYC has been asked at the time of withdrawals. But me I would rather to take KYC with basic information while registering instead of pseudo no KYC policy.

[Pmalek]

most of the time, you will only play big to one or couple of casinos. but the rest, you mostly likely are in the testing stage so it is not worth to submit kyc upon registration, if you will do this to all casinos you visited.

I will put it this way. If you are playing at one site, and that platform meets all your personal requirements and has been proven to be trustworthy, there is no need to search for new casinos and risk getting involved with one that isn't up to par with the one you are already using. I wouldn't personally do it, not even with pocket change. Not if I am satisfied with what I have elsewhere.

I am a casual gambler and do not gamble a lot of money and I am not comfortable giving out my information for the amount of money I gamble.

Sounds to me like you are a better fit for the 3rd option and someone who would rather lose their money than perform identity verification. If you get asked for KYC, will you do it nor not?

...but as much as possible KYC should just be asked depending on some circumstances and that should be written clearly in the Terms and Conditions, not in the registration process.

The ToS of these sites are usually very vague and don't offer a lot of information when it comes to KYC. It's usually the standard: we can ask you to verify your identity at any time, and you are obliged to do so. The reasons to why they ask it is also debatable. They don't tell you what you did up front. They will tell you to undergo KYC if you want to be able to withdraw your money, and then it's possible you will be told you broke their TOS after you do it. 

[minime0105]

Majority of the gamblers have got used to it. Maybe one out of hundred makes a big win in gambling. So, this hasn't turned to be a big issue among the gamblers. In simple terms people have used to it. Majority have small wins and that doesn't require any KYC for the withdrawal. KYC at the time of registration will be a big blow to the gambling house, because gamblers prefer to stay anonymous.

Actually to make a gamblling site to be standard without the customers having issues of withdrawal, i think it's good to have KYC registration as same, but many of the gamblers when you eye out the ideas of KYC some many of them doesn't welcome such but knowing that KYC for the safety of their own protection, myself if have the requirements of what a particular platforms demands for KYC verification, i will not hesitate to bring for process of my KYC to be done, because KYC is merely for our interest.

[Mahdirakib]

I avoid those casinos who request for level 1 KYC verification during registration. And I don't like to go through the KYC verification process if a casino ask it without any proper reason. I will leave the withdrawal amount without going through the KYC process if the amount is small. But I will go through the KYC process if a casino ask me to do it for a large withdrawal. Therefore, I will only do it if I win plenty of amount. I have made a few thousand dollars withdrawal several times from some casinos and those casinos never asked me to go through the KYC process.

BTW, Recently I have gone through the KYC process at a casino for a small withdrawal. The casino blocked my withdrawal on May month and requested for my personal documents. I have denied the process for a long time. But I have done it yesterday to prove my transparency in gambling in front of some forum members.

[Adbitco]

First and foremost I really want to appreciate you for bringing this topic on to discussion as a matter fact, KYC that kyc this have really gain attention and is now a common thing among crypto casino's nowadays.
Speaking from the dept of my heart, I don't really know where and how this kyc of a thing is now a major target to clients that are really succeeding or winning in crypto casino before it wasn't this common and compulsory & Mandatory to clients to undergo after you make a big win.

From my point of view I have seen most casinos or gambling are now trying to use kyc compliance to steal or locked up funds., I.e, they are now using it as an excuse to avoid paying their users their winning amount or even to enable with heavy amount of money from their gambling site. Yes we all know that most of the gambling site have no funds and can not afford to pay huge amount of money to those who won big in their casinos, why not they are being transparent enough to inform users the maximum amount they can pay per every winning or per users among the platform multiple by total users who placed a bet in their platform to be at safer side instead to toiled around with people's funds and finding fault from kyc documents, using it as a means of excuses just to skip users from withdrawing their funds.

For me I would preferred passing kyc before placing my bet so to avoid any stories that touches the heart rather than just skipping the kyc because I truly know at the end it would still results of asking users to passed kyc before they could make withdrawal to me and from my point of view and assessment it's a deliberate acts, and from now I think they should change such attitudes. Otherwise they could list the country which they are not operating with, I meant the restricted countries. This would also give the users a mind set that my country is not allowed to gamble or place a bet in this and if anyone who is from the restricted country signed up instantly such account should be blocked immediately or should be frozen and should not allowed to make any deposits or during their kyc assessment such account should be deleted immediately before causing further damages to the user.

I think I will rest my case here.
Thank you sir for this wonderful topic at least this thread can be a life changing to any upcoming crypto casino site. Maybe from now they could make an adjustment towards the kyc compliance.

[Cryptomiles1]

It would be ideal kyc is being scrap away, there is no anonymity anymore since they tend of asking our kyc details in every gambling website and I have seen it to be a routine which is not meant to be so. Kyc is not what users should just give away their details because we care about our privacy.

[TheGreatPython]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Crypto casinos shouldn't brand themselves as a no KYC casino if they will be asking it later on. That was misleading and it can affect them in a negative way but they rather say that KYC is non-mandatory and there is a possibility that it will be asked later on depending on the size of the amount the gambler is dealing with or depending on the status of their account like if they have done some violations or their accounts are tagged as suspicious.

If I were to choose I would rather be required to do the KYC during the sign-up process and I will think twice if I will do it or not. Sometimes I can do it if I think the casino is trusted enough.

[acroman08]

Sounds to me like you are a better fit for the 3rd option and someone who would rather lose their money than perform identity verification. If you get asked for KYC, will you do it nor not?

now that you mention it, it does sound like that, but I guess the reason why I chose option 2 is that I have a limit on how much I am willing to lose just to avoid KYC. if the amount is worth enough for me, I'd have no problem giving personal information if it was requested during withdrawal.

[xSkylarx]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

It would be better to only ask for KYC during withdrawals. Not all players will deposit immediately a huge amount when trying a new gambling website. Most of them just want to explore and see if the platform offers a feature that can only be found on that particular website. We can't also assure if their platform is proven to be a reputable one so completing the KYC immediately is kinda risky for me.

[Quidat]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

It would be better to only ask for KYC during withdrawals. Not all players will deposit immediately a huge amount when trying a new gambling website. Most of them just want to explore and see if the platform offers a feature that can only be found on that particular website. We can't also assure if their platform is proven to be a reputable one so completing the KYC immediately is kinda risky for me.

We do have different criterias and impressions on the time we do tend to play on a site and this is will really be depending or varying on someones or personal preferences.
KYC is highly frowned upon which means that whenever we do encounter new gambling sites or casinos then if they do ask out kyc when you do register then its a huge turn-off.
It would definitely fails on getting users out of this forum.They might get on other places or sources but not into this forum where people or gamblers here
do really give out importance when it comes to anonymity.

[Fundamentals Of]

For me I think I would never register in a crypto gambling site that asks for KYC upon registration. That's not an option. For as long as there are crypto gambling sites out there that do not ask for KYC upon registration, I would only be choosing from among them.

I wouldn't also be sacrificing my money just to avoid KYC. But it also depends on how much. If it's a significant amount, I will comply. If it's not, I'd rather forget about it.

So the best option for me is to leave the possibility there. If I'm lucky to win jackpot or a big amount, then I would submit myself for KYC.

But if possible, let's just do away with KYC.

[traderethereum]

It would be ideal kyc is being scrap away, there is no anonymity anymore since they tend of asking our kyc details in every gambling website and I have seen it to be a routine which is not meant to be so. Kyc is not what users should just give away their details because we care about our privacy.

Indeed, in a crypto casino, there should be no KYC, but with the intervention of the regulator, in this case, the government, the casino must follow the rules made by them if they want to continue to run their business.
This is intended to avoid any illegal activities in casinos because it involves many gamblers money.
The government and the casinos wanted to know who used big money and where they came from so in the end, the casinos implemented KYC.
In the future, there will probably be no more anonymity for gamblers, even if they play in crypto casinos that are supposed to be anonymous.

[Hispo]

In my opinion the 2th option is the best way in the current state of the community of Bitcoin.
Many have already explained that having KYC during registration would drive them away from the casino, but I would also like to offer the perspective of personal cyber security, the possibility of a leak of our personal data increases with the number of platforms we sign up and it also happens with casinos.

Assuming KYC during registration became the norm, it would mean people would need to hand over their information to any new service they wanted to try for the first time, in a relatively short time span one's personal information would be in the hand of a lot of casinos, many of them with not the best security, leading to leaks, possible fishing campaigns, even extortion, etc.

So even though the second option also has cons, it is matter of casinos being transparent and allowing their lucky players to withdraw their winnings with fair and reasonable KYC.

[inanilujimi]

I'm used to doing kyc when registering a casino, so far my data is still safe, I personally prefer them to tell from the start than having to do kyc when making large withdrawals because it can be complicated by various ways the casino can suspend withdrawal of our money.

[Pmalek]

I must say that my answers to the above poll are two, but the OP does not allow that. I would have loved to choose both "Complete KYC during the registration and leave the possibility of being asked for KYC when requesting withdrawals or after big wins" because some casinos are tricky and annoying, thinking they are smart. Some would tell you from the beginning to complete your KYC, which is more proper, but most would lure you into gambling without a KYC but forced it on you after a small or big win.

If a players has any uncertainty about the integrity of a particular platform, they should just stay as far away from it as possible. Judging by your answer, I would say you are a better fit for answer #1. You would rather be told you need to undergo KYC before your gambling activities with a casino even begin. If that were the case, and you knew exactly what to expect, there wouldn't be any surprises later on down the road if you win some significant amounts of money. 

If the casino ask the user KYC upon registration, it will make the user feel uncomfortable since they're don't know how trustworthy the casino is.

Why would you even play at such a site if you don't think you can trust them? 

I would rather to complete my KYC if I win a huge money, because before I gamble, I already aware they have a mandatory KYC rule. It's different if I play on KYC free casino, there's no chance I will get asked to provide KYC.

You are not going to find many of those around. In the future, there will be even fewer left. All licensed casinos that don't require KYC at sign-up still have the right to ask you to do it at any point. Just go through the ToS of those you play at now and you should see that rule. No KYC casinos should be renamed to no KYC right now, maybe later.

I mean, what if I just want to try and play on the platform for experimental purposes, in this case, I don't want to go to any trouble of providing my information as I will just be there once.

In that case, some casinos offer fun mode, demo modes of their games, or fun money that you can use to try them out without depositing your own coins.

[Solosanz]

Why would you even play at such a site if you don't think you can trust them?  

New casinos usually have an interesting promotion that you wouldn't see on old and trustworthy casino, some gamblers taking their risk to gamble on there in order to get a money from the promotion. They will do anything including give their KYC to the casino.

You are not going to find many of those around. In the future, there will be even fewer left. All licensed casinos that don't require KYC at sign-up still have the right to ask you to do it at any point. Just go through the ToS of those you play at now and you should see that rule. No KYC casinos should be renamed to no KYC right now, maybe later.

I'm very aware with that, not like most people.

I consider a mandatory KYC casino is a casino who mention KYC requirement on their TOS, even though you can deposit, play and withdraw your money without submitted your KYC right now.

When I said No KYC casino, it's a casino that doesn't mention KYC requirement on their TOS and they're unlicensed casino. Go check in this thread [1] You will see there's few casinos that doesn't have any KYC rule.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381143.0

[dothebeats]

Basic info during registration is okay, but it's better if they ask it after I won something because frankly, what risk is it for the casino to create my account save for it just taking up space in their servers? Not much for them to just accept the registration with blank KYC even after I deposited something. They can choose to hold my withdrawals for KYC compliance, and that I wouldn't complain since they have the right to do so aa they are mandated by the gov't to comply with KYC.

Also, most casinos don't ask much KYC after withdraws anyway. They only ask so much if something irregular is happening with the account, and it rarely happens.

[judeafante]

Now that Cryptocurrency is already in the gambling industry, and the gambling industry has adopted anonymity its time that we adhere to anonymity, the casinos also have a responsibility to their license issuer and the countries where they accept members, so I prefer to do KYC when withdrawing a considerable amount, the casinos have an obligation that they only accept players at the right age and that their players can show that their location is not in the restricted countries.

[Cling18]

I'd rather do it during the registration so I would know if I can comply with the requirements that they will be asking rather than do it during the withdrawal or deposit process where there will be a chance for them to hold my funds. There are already some casinos that ask for KYC during registration and as epr my experience, there's nothing wrong or risk on it as long as we are choosing right casinos with good reputation.

[Bobrox]

Majority of gambler dislike with KYC at crypto casino gambling trough registration and prefer choosing another crypto casino gambling not allowed KYC for playing. Hidden identity from crypto casino gambling is common reason why prefer choosing with crypto casino allowed deposit and withdraw without have to use KYC. Coming from country with majority Moslem I think disagree have to give data ID for passing KYC and directly have to show identity when KYC at crypto casino.

Common gambler with choose with fiat or local gambling casino if need KYC and deposit trough fiat without used crypto, but depend with some people if have huge amount for withdrawing maybe crypto casino gambling need to pass KYC early, have limited withdrawing without KYC and increase up if want withdraw above the amount limited by crypto casino.

[Lucasgabd]

I'd rather do it during the registration so I would know if I can comply with the requirements that they will be asking rather than do it during the withdrawal or deposit process where there will be a chance for them to hold my funds. There are already some casinos that ask for KYC during registration and as epr my experience, there's nothing wrong or risk on it as long as we are choosing right casinos with good reputation.

both ways may work if the casino is reliable (not a scam website)
the thing is that the KYC process may take a while to complete

there are always the points too that KYC is more of a burden than a solution, it creates costs and doesn't solve a lot of problems (one can use fake docs or pay someone else to KYC for them)

[decodx]

I'd rather do it during the registration so I would know if I can comply with the requirements that they will be asking rather than do it during the withdrawal or deposit process where there will be a chance for them to hold my funds. There are already some casinos that ask for KYC during registration and as epr my experience, there's nothing wrong or risk on it as long as we are choosing right casinos with good reputation.

It is understandable that online casinos need to collect our personal data to verify it and prevent any fraudulent activity, I completely understand this point of view. But, I don't necessarily want every casino I gamble on, to know everything about me considering the inherent risks of these platforms leaking information or being hacked. Remember how we were talking about passing information between the casinos? Well I don't necessarily want every single one of them to have access to my personal information, especially if they are not trustworthy. The problem with this, is that there is no way to verify whether or not the casino you are playing at will keep your information safe and secure. If they are not transparent about what data they collect and how it will be used then I would advise against using their services.

[madnessteat]

^

If you favor anonymity then do not use casinos that are registered in jurisdictions that require KYC/AML. For this you need to read the TOS of the casino. True, this is not a panacea, as some casinos do require proof of identity and income after a serious win. I can not advise you how to protect yourself from the transfer of personal data between casinos, but it seems to me that if they transfer data it should be spelled out in the TOS. So you have to read the TOS carefully.

[erep]

If you favor anonymity then do not use casinos that are registered in jurisdictions that require KYC/AML. For this you need to read the TOS of the casino. True, this is not a panacea, as some casinos do require proof of identity and income after a serious win. I can not advise you how to protect yourself from the transfer of personal data between casinos, but it seems to me that if they transfer data it should be spelled out in the TOS. So you have to read the TOS carefully.

If the casino option is not registered in the jurisdiction, it will be vulnerable to scams and there is no monitoring supervisor as it is free from binding regulations from the government, but joining a legitimate casino will be required to verify KYC and will be subject to Government regulations. So I am very confused suggesting to protect personal data or use top casinos for KYC verification but for me personally using top listed casinos is legal and currently some casinos give tolerance for low withdrawals and as long as you don't win high winning is currently safe without asking for KYC for withdrawal.

[Finestream]

Majority of the gamblers have got used to it. Maybe one out of hundred makes a big win in gambling. So, this hasn't turned to be a big issue among the gamblers. In simple terms people have used to it. Majority have small wins and that doesn't require any KYC for the withdrawal. KYC at the time of registration will be a big blow to the gambling house, because gamblers prefer to stay anonymous.

Well, it’s not a big issue for us who got used to it, but for those who are new in gambling, they might run away and won’t gamble anymore. Because let’s accept the fact that it’s safe to stay anonymous especially if you suddenly win big amount, and of course disclosing your real identity will only give hints to scammers to attack you. So for me, it’s still best to gamble without KYC, but if it will be mandatory, then I will also comply with it.

[Boristhecat]

Basic info during registration is okay, but it's better if they ask it after I won something because frankly, what risk is it for the casino to create my account save for it just taking up space in their servers? Not much for them to just accept the registration with blank KYC even after I deposited something. They can choose to hold my withdrawals for KYC compliance, and that I wouldn't complain since they have the right to do so aa they are mandated by the gov't to comply with KYC.

Also, most casinos don't ask much KYC after withdraws anyway. They only ask so much if something irregular is happening with the account, and it rarely happens.

Probably the casino requires at least minimal information from gamblers at the registration stage in order to avoid accusations of money laundering. Where is the guarantee that casino owners will not send themselves (and lose) dirty money to empty accounts? This reason seems logical to me. In addition, they need minimal information so that gamblers do not launder funds through the casino. For example, someone won $10k on an empty account. After that, he can sell access to this empty (in the sense of KYC) account for 11k dollars so that, for example, some drug dealer can withdraw clean money.

[Mauser]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

Quite surprised to see that 13% of the people here even voted for losing all their money instead of doing KYC at a casino. This might be the case if the winnings are really small, but would you really be willing to give away a few hundred Dollar only for not doing KYC? No way, it's already hard enough to make a profit in gambling that we shouldn't give away any money that we won. If someone is really against KYC and never wants to do it, than he should have researched before joining that casino. In my opinion the casino needs to protect itself against possible money laundering and KYC became very common in today's world. I kind of accepted it and don't feel bad about it anymore. Only asking for KYC during withdrawals of big wins seems like a good compromise, but I would prefer the casino just asks for all the information during signup. It makes the process longer and will prevent some customer from signing up or choosing against the casino, which is why most casinos are not doing it. In the long run however it makes the casino seem more trustworthy even if it hurts their business in the short run. As long as the casinos handles our personal data well and there are no security issues I have no problem with it.

[Pmalek]

As a small gambler which means that the chance to win huge amount is also small, it does not worth to share my personal document in online casino but it can be something worth if it is asked when I made a huge win so I may consider to pass KYC if I think it is worth for me.

It can still be dangerous because you don't know the motives of the people asking you to undergo KYC. You might think you are getting your money as soon as it's verified, but in reality, they might just want to have you on file and they already made up their mind not to pay you.

BTW, Recently I have gone through the KYC process at a casino for a small withdrawal. The casino blocked my withdrawal on May month and requested for my personal documents. I have denied the process for a long time. But I have done it yesterday to prove my transparency in gambling in front of some forum members.

And you got your withdrawal, congratulations! I remember reading about this case of yours.

Yes we all know that most of the gambling site have no funds and can not afford to pay huge amount of money to those who won big in their casinos, why not they are being transparent enough to inform users the maximum amount they can pay per every winning or per users among the platform multiple by total users who placed a bet in their platform to be at safer side instead to toiled around with people's funds and finding fault from kyc documents, using it as a means of excuses just to skip users from withdrawing their funds.

Some casinos have maximum payout limits when it comes to wins. That can be found in their TOS. No matter how much you win, they can have a rule that they won't pay out more than $200.000, for example. There are also limits to weekly or monthly withdrawals where you can't withdraw more than X amount.

I'm used to doing kyc when registering a casino, so far my data is still safe...

No one can claim that with certainty. Maybe there hasn't been a leak or hack (yet), but even the staff working in those casinos could get access to stored data, sell it, or abuse it in other ways.   

[tabas]

Well, it’s not a big issue for us who got used to it, but for those who are new in gambling, they might run away and won’t gamble anymore. Because let’s accept the fact that it’s safe to stay anonymous especially if you suddenly win big amount, and of course disclosing your real identity will only give hints to scammers to attack you.

Even if we've been used to it, there will be times that we'll realize that it shouldn't be a must thing if you're just trying to register and haven't gambled yet.
Majority don't like to be KYCed because it's something that we don't trust anymore whether you like the casino and you trust them with a few from your funds.

So for me, it’s still best to gamble without KYC, but if it will be mandatory, then I will also comply with it.

If there's no other choice, I'll also comply but if there's still a choice where we can gamble without having to KYC, I'll go there and just as the others might do the same thing.

[BobK71]

Well, it’s not a big issue for us who got used to it, but for those who are new in gambling, they might run away and won’t gamble anymore. Because let’s accept the fact that it’s safe to stay anonymous especially if you suddenly win big amount, and of course disclosing your real identity will only give hints to scammers to attack you.

Even if we've been used to it, there will be times that we'll realize that it shouldn't be a must thing if you're just trying to register and haven't gambled yet.
Majority don't like to be KYCed because it's something that we don't trust anymore whether you like the casino and you trust them with a few from your funds.

So for me, it’s still best to gamble without KYC, but if it will be mandatory, then I will also comply with it.

If there's no other choice, I'll also comply but if there's still a choice where we can gamble without having to KYC, I'll go there and just as the others might do the same thing.

A gambler usually likes to gamble in secret. If his KYC is asked here, he may feel a bit embarrassed here. So they will try to find some other site where no KYC is required for gambling. I think KYC should be asked only when any major transaction is done. It is important to seek QC for those transactions if there are likely to be difficulties related to law switches though there are some advantages for asking KYC.

[tabas]

So for me, it’s still best to gamble without KYC, but if it will be mandatory, then I will also comply with it.

If there's no other choice, I'll also comply but if there's still a choice where we can gamble without having to KYC, I'll go there and just as the others might do the same thing.

A gambler usually likes to gamble in secret. If his KYC is asked here, he may feel a bit embarrassed here. So they will try to find some other site where no KYC is required for gambling.

I don't think there's a feeling of embarassment but usually, we just want to keep it private and nobody should know about our gambling activity.

I think KYC should be asked only when any major transaction is done. It is important to seek QC for those transactions if there are likely to be difficulties related to law switches though there are some advantages for asking KYC.

This is done in most casinos, when there's a huge transaction that has been made by a user. What advantage are we talking in here? Maybe is that you're clean and the casino won't be suspicious anymore to your transactions and that's giving you hassle free of gambling. I guess that's one of it.

[decodx]

Quite surprised to see that 13% of the people here even voted for losing all their money instead of doing KYC at a casino. This might be the case if the winnings are really small, but would you really be willing to give away a few hundred Dollar only for not doing KYC? <...>

For many, a few hundred dollars is not an extraordinary amount of money. For such a small amount, I would not be willing to give up my personal information. The fact that only 13% of people here are ready to lose their money because they do not want to provide their personal data says a lot about our attitude towards privacy. I think that many people simply don't understand what they actually lose by doing KYC.

[gunhell16]

I read what you said in this thread section, and almost everything you said is true and there is nothing wrong, I see asking for KYC in a gambling platform sometimes can be abused by the crypto owner himself in the gambling. But maybe this kind of gambling owner mentality is just a few of them only.

Now, for me, it is probably better to submit KYC at the very beginning of your crypto gambling account registration if there is a policy or rules. So at least, from the beginning, you know the system the platform has. And you will not blame the team or the owner of the gambling platform if it comes to the point that you take out money from their crypto gambling.

[Zlantann]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

Due to the negative perception of most people of gamblers, I would always prefer to keep my operations with gambling firms private. I would not register with any gambling site that asked for my personal data. This is because it can also be misused or used as a political or religious tool to tarnish my image. But when it comes to winning big (I mean real big) and they are asking for my data, it would be a very difficult situation for me. It is difficult because you have to choose between money and privacy. I think I would have to consult a legal professional that would have to sign a privacy agreement with the firm before I would release my details. Which means I can sue them if my privacy is invaded.

[ethereumhunter]

Quite surprised to see that 13% of the people here even voted for losing all their money instead of doing KYC at a casino. This might be the case if the winnings are really small, but would you really be willing to give away a few hundred Dollar only for not doing KYC? <...>

For many, a few hundred dollars is not an extraordinary amount of money. For such a small amount, I would not be willing to give up my personal information. The fact that only 13% of people here are ready to lose their money because they do not want to provide their personal data says a lot about our attitude towards privacy. I think that many people simply don't understand what they actually lose by doing KYC.

Those big wins may not mean much to them because they already have a lot of money, so losing all the money they have won is okay. And maybe that's why they choose not to KYC for anything because their identity is more important than all the money they make gambling. That's okay because we all have our own thoughts on whether to do KYC or just let the winning money go.

[Jemzx00]

Well, it’s not a big issue for us who got used to it, but for those who are new in gambling, they might run away and won’t gamble anymore. Because let’s accept the fact that it’s safe to stay anonymous especially if you suddenly win big amount, and of course disclosing your real identity will only give hints to scammers to attack you.

Even if we've been used to it, there will be times that we'll realize that it shouldn't be a must thing if you're just trying to register and haven't gambled yet.
Majority don't like to be KYCed because it's something that we don't trust anymore whether you like the casino and you trust them with a few from your funds.

So for me, it’s still best to gamble without KYC, but if it will be mandatory, then I will also comply with it.

If there's no other choice, I'll also comply but if there's still a choice where we can gamble without having to KYC, I'll go there and just as the others might do the same thing.

A gambler usually likes to gamble in secret. If his KYC is asked here, he may feel a bit embarrassed here. So they will try to find some other site where no KYC is required for gambling. I think KYC should be asked only when any major transaction is done. It is important to seek QC for those transactions if there are likely to be difficulties related to law switches though there are some advantages for asking KYC.

I don't think that there's a lot of gamblers that was asked for KYC have felt embarrassed. The casino or the gambling platform is the who's asking for KYC so why would the gambler be embarrassed? Most of these gamblers are either pissed, angry or even nervous as the platform are hindering them and/or limiting their actions from the platform or probably they think that they have been caught to what they are doing that is most likely against the ToS of the casino.

One of the reason as to why crypto gamblers don't want to provide their identity is because they expect themselves to be anonymous especially in the crypto industry.

[Pmalek]

...one can use fake docs or pay someone else to KYC for them...

Users of fake documents can be identified by requesting live video verification. If you are accessing a site from one part of the world but you provide the platform with IDs from someone on the other side, the locations can be used against you. If casinos wanted, they could implement security systems that don't work for VPNs for example. I have seen such platforms before. And if you can find a sucker willing to sell their identity for you to use it as you please, I guess you can call yourself lucky.  

If they are not transparent about what data they collect and how it will be used then I would advise against using their services.

Transparency doesn't mean much. They can claim and promise one thing but do something completely opposite.

[d3nz]

Well, it’s not a big issue for us who got used to it, but for those who are new in gambling, they might run away and won’t gamble anymore. Because let’s accept the fact that it’s safe to stay anonymous especially if you suddenly win big amount, and of course disclosing your real identity will only give hints to scammers to attack you.

Even if we've been used to it, there will be times that we'll realize that it shouldn't be a must thing if you're just trying to register and haven't gambled yet.
Majority don't like to be KYCed because it's something that we don't trust anymore whether you like the casino and you trust them with a few from your funds.

So for me, it’s still best to gamble without KYC, but if it will be mandatory, then I will also comply with it.

If there's no other choice, I'll also comply but if there's still a choice where we can gamble without having to KYC, I'll go there and just as the others might do the same thing.

A gambler usually likes to gamble in secret. If his KYC is asked here, he may feel a bit embarrassed here. So they will try to find some other site where no KYC is required for gambling. I think KYC should be asked only when any major transaction is done. It is important to seek QC for those transactions if there are likely to be difficulties related to law switches though there are some advantages for asking KYC.

I don't think that there's a lot of gamblers that was asked for KYC have felt embarrassed. The casino or the gambling platform is the who's asking for KYC so why would the gambler be embarrassed? Most of these gamblers are either pissed, angry or even nervous as the platform are hindering them and/or limiting their actions from the platform or probably they think that they have been caught to what they are doing that is most likely against the ToS of the casino.

One of the reason as to why crypto gamblers don't want to provide their identity is because they expect themselves to be anonymous especially in the crypto industry.

I highly agree, anonymity is one thing we need but since a lot of gambling websites required KYC because of the regulation we cannot avoid it. And, this is one of the reasons why some players are moving from another website that doesn't require KYC.

Maybe some of the players that don't want KYC are afraid to use their information or sell it to someone else and other reasons if the gambling sites were hacked can be used for crime.

[gantez]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

The issue of KYC verification will always bring up an argument that some casinos have dubious characters and hiding behind the excuse of kyc to discourage customers from getting their money, while others will see the need to eliminate this constant arguments. I think it is best to have all casinos run kyc at the beginning registration process so that users of the platform they know exactly what they're getting into before they do to avoid funny stories later.

Facing the Kyc registration from the beginning is suppose to be better and not to keep quiet about it for a winner to be stressed because introducing the Kyc for withdrawal of their money. Some casino or exchanges have minimum of cash withdrawal that require Kyc but to be clear about it early is nice so players know what way to go.

The way the system is set up now, you are welcome to deposit and lose, but please don’t win. Because if you do, you could be thoroughly investigated.

The best is for the gamblers to check on the casino which is trusted and will not have issues to you when your winning start to come. Don't play in casino you don't get review from.

[fathafraink]

If I have to do KYC without being able to skip it, then I prefer not to register, because this really disturbs my comfort, I have more respect for sites that don't require KYC, we know that there are online casino sites that don't require KYC, and provide bonus if doing kyc, then i prefer that.

[Pmalek]

I have more respect for sites that don't require KYC

But are you absolutely sure that is true for the sites you play on? Have you actually read their terms and rules, and does it say with certainty that there is no chance players will ever be required to undergo KYC? I would check again because it's probably mentioned they can ask you for it whenever they please. You aren't in the spotlight now, maybe you will be in the future...

[KTChampions]

...one can use fake docs or pay someone else to KYC for them...

Users of fake documents can be identified by requesting live video verification. If you are accessing a site from one part of the world but you provide the platform with IDs from someone on the other side, the locations can be used against you. If casinos wanted, they could implement security systems that don't work for VPNs for example. I have seen such platforms before. And if you can find a sucker willing to sell their identity for you to use it as you please, I guess you can call yourself lucky.  

Such "luck" and tricks can eventually turn into a big loss. As you wrote, the casino may require video verification of the identity, and even if there is a dummy who is ready to undergo verification for a moderate fee, he may not be in touch at the right time. In addition, he (his "identity") can get caught in some other case / casino and get into the database for a ban (I'm sure that there are such databases for many businesses that screen out fake verifications) and then you will lose your account and money.

[Warkop]

I have more respect for sites that don't require KYC

But are you absolutely sure that is true for the sites you play on? Have you actually read their terms and rules, and does it say with certainty that there is no chance players will ever be required to undergo KYC? I would check again because it's probably mentioned they can ask you for it whenever they please. You aren't in the spotlight now, maybe you will be in the future...

If it has been determined by the site, I am more likely to follow what has been determined by the gambling site, of course I will play with a gambling site that at least has everyone's trust, because all I know is that only exchange sites do that, the rest I honestly just found out about it, if the withdrawal of money is large and requires personal KYC data then there is nothing wrong, following the procedures on the site, even though we have to use live video, at least we can feel the money from our gambling winnings..

[Jemzx00]

I have more respect for sites that don't require KYC

But are you absolutely sure that is true for the sites you play on? Have you actually read their terms and rules, and does it say with certainty that there is no chance players will ever be required to undergo KYC? I would check again because it's probably mentioned they can ask you for it whenever they please. You aren't in the spotlight now, maybe you will be in the future...

It's funny that people will still believe those gambling platform that has front of "KYC-Free" "KYC not required" "No KYC". These gamblers are usually the people who would post more complaint about them not being able to withdraw as they can't do the KYC.

These are what these kind of casinos usually use for scamming and withholding them from on their own funds on the platform.

[lionheart78]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

I voted for complete KYC upon registration.  I wanted to see a casino that is transparent with regard to KYC.  This requirement during the registration may hinder the Casino's progress because lots of players do not want to undergo KYC but having a KYC requirement during the registration will save the player from future troubles.  We all know some casinos use KYC to forfeit their players winnings, this kind of event will be avoided once KYC had been submitted even before the player are able to deposit.

It's funny that people will still believe those gambling platform that has front of "KYC-Free" "KYC not required" "No KYC". These gamblers are usually the people who would post more complaint about them not being able to withdraw as they can't do the KYC.

These are what these kind of casinos usually use for scamming and withholding them from on their own funds on the platform.

That is why instead of believing in their tagline of No KYC, we must always check their Terms and Condition and look for KYC if it is mentioned there.

[Zackgeno96]

It seems strongly that this is something that we can no longer ignore these days. Gamblers who play big will only play at gambling sites that are licensed so that they have a little more certainty about their money? Although a license from Malta doesn't mean much anymore, of course. Perhaps there is a handful of players who absolutely do not want to send documents for the KYC, for that group of players a completely anonymous casino would be a solution in itself. A while ago, when crypto gambling didn't even exist, I think you only had the KYC because anonymous casinos didn't even exist then. So gamblers who have been in the gambling industry for a while also know that the KYC has been used for a long time. But not only in gambling, also in other industries you see this increasingly common.

[Viscore]

I'd rather do it during the registration so I would know if I can comply with the requirements that they will be asking rather than do it during the withdrawal or deposit process where there will be a chance for them to hold my funds. There are already some casinos that ask for KYC during registration and as epr my experience, there's nothing wrong or risk on it as long as we are choosing right casinos with good reputation.

For me, it’s still a risk for us to give our personal information no matter how reputable or reliable a casino is. The fact that they can use it for other transactions if they really want to, then that would mean a loss for us. The reason why I stay away from casinos asking KYC, but if lucky enough to win such a huge amount, I guess i would have to comply with it than to lose my funds complete.

[chaser15]

If new sites, I will not comply with the KYC in the registration.

If currently on the site that I always played, I will have no doubt to undergo KYC if it is really necessary to do.

I'm already used to providing my personal details and documents on several platforms but only on a considered legit platform.

[uneng]

I'd rather do it during the registration so I would know if I can comply with the requirements that they will be asking rather than do it during the withdrawal or deposit process where there will be a chance for them to hold my funds. There are already some casinos that ask for KYC during registration and as epr my experience, there's nothing wrong or risk on it as long as we are choosing right casinos with good reputation.

For me, it’s still a risk for us to give our personal information no matter how reputable or reliable a casino is. The fact that they can use it for other transactions if they really want to, then that would mean a loss for us. The reason why I stay away from casinos asking KYC, but if lucky enough to win such a huge amount, I guess i would have to comply with it than to lose my funds complete.

Every databases connected to the internet are under risk of leaking. It is not an exclusivity of casinos, as even your government can leak your personal informations or sell it, as it has already happened in my country.

If anyday you are surprised by an accusation against you and you have no idea why it is happening to you, it could be that someone was using your ID for scam purposes. So, in hypothetical situations like this, that is what you have to justify, because in a globalized world it is out of our control that our IDs are kept safe.


Regards the main question on this thread, I have no problem in undergoing KYC process during the sign up or on the moment of the withdrawal, since it's clear on the terms and conditions that the casino may ask for KYC anytime as they wish.

[Strongkored]

Regards the main question on this thread, I have no problem in undergoing KYC process during the sign up or on the moment of the withdrawal, since it's clear on the terms and conditions that the casino may ask for KYC anytime as they wish.

If KYC appears at the beginning then the player has a chance to choose continue or not.
and when KYC appears during this withdrawal, it is often an obstacle for players to feel forced to do things they don't like.
Players should carefully read the T&C it is not necessary to read the whole at least things that could be an issue in the future should first be studied.

[AicecreaME]

As much as possible, I don't want to undergo KYC to protect my personal information. However, it's becoming more and more of a requirement that is mandatory to go through already. With that, it's also becoming harder to find a casino or gambling website that do not require KYC. Hence, people are settling to those casinos that has KYC despite they don't like it. I noticed that they just picked those casinos that have a good reputation. Perhaps this is to ensure that their personal information won't be sold to third party applications, platforms, or websites.

Just always remember to read the terms of service first before actually playing in a casino so that you won't be shocked about their processes such as in withdrawal that typically has KYC if the casino don't initially require it in signing up.

[Bitinity]

KYC during registration is a big no for me, I will not think twice to skip any casino that requires KYC on registration even if the casino is reputable and trusted by millions of users. I'm referring to full KYC where we need to upload our personal documents, but if the casino is just asking for something like name, birth of date, phone number, I'll give the casino a chance as long as it is reputable and I'm interested to play.

[Pmalek]

I'm already used to providing my personal details and documents on several platforms but only on a considered legit platform.

I shouldn't be preaching to others about what to do or not to do, but I would seriously re-think my stance of throwing around my identifiable data all over the place. Everything can seem legit until one day it suddenly isn't. Ledger was legit until the data of millions of users was hacked and publicly leaked. Celsius was legit and now every single user who had an account with them had their names posted publicly. Chances are high that those platforms (exchanges or casinos) you use have also experienced their own hacks and leaks at some point in the past or will experience them in the future. The less information about you is out there, the lower the chances that malicious actors can get to it. 

[Maestro75]

When you open a betting account, most casinos won’t ask you who you are.
When you want to deposit cryptocurrencies, you’re welcome to do so.
If you want to bet and play games, there usually aren’t any problems.
If you lose your coins and you wish to deposit more, no one asks you anything.
No one is called a cheater or a rule breaker when they are losing. There are no TOS infringements, either.

But if you start winning and win big, you soon become the center of attention. All of a sudden, it becomes important who you are, where you are from, the origin of your coins, and whether you have any ulterior motives for being here.

You just listed the major problems with casinos, and the many scam activities going on in them, correct. Most of the casino owners intentionally are setting up their businesses to defraud people, hiding under the cover of ToS. Everything you listed there is correct.

share your thoughts below.

I do not like casinos that ask for KYC. I like where I can move in and out freely. If I have KYC done on any, it will make me get attached to it and will cause me not to try others around. Casinos are gambling shops and gambling businesses often run into problems with government. What if this happens to the casino am registered with and the government decides to roundup its customers for investigations? This will also affect someone like me on that casino.

[Slow death]

giving KYC in the act of creating an account will not solve the problem, casinos can block the account of the person who made KYC when they created an account and they will ask for a document that proves where the funds come from, then the person creates an account and makes KYC and wins and then the casino will block the person and confiscate the person's money and then ask the person to deliver a document that shows where the money to deposit in the casino comes from, so KYC on account creation does not solve the problem

another thing is that KYC is created to prevent money laundering, but can't a thief create a casino and launder money? so why can the casino creator be anonymous and the customer can't be anonymous? This is a question I've been asking myself for a long time and honestly I can't understand it

[Pmalek]

another thing is that KYC is created to prevent money laundering, but can't a thief create a casino and launder money? so why can the casino creator be anonymous and the customer can't be anonymous? This is a question I've been asking myself for a long time and honestly I can't understand it

Physical casinos have and probably still are used for exactly this purpose. They are a great front to put dirty money into circulation and launder them. I watched documentaries years ago where old crime bosses explained how they created partnerships with casino owners in Montenegro to launder their through their establishments. I am sure that while we speak, someone somewhere is doing it right now. With the popularity of online casinos, it's even easier.   

[KTChampions]

giving KYC in the act of creating an account will not solve the problem, casinos can block the account of the person who made KYC when they created an account and they will ask for a document that proves where the funds come from, then the person creates an account and makes KYC and wins and then the casino will block the person and confiscate the person's money and then ask the person to deliver a document that shows where the money to deposit in the casino comes from, so KYC on account creation does not solve the problem

another thing is that KYC is created to prevent money laundering, but can't a thief create a casino and launder money? so why can the casino creator be anonymous and the customer can't be anonymous? This is a question I've been asking myself for a long time and honestly I can't understand it

Such crazy claims should be ruled out and the casino should be penalized for requesting such documents. If a person has passed the KYC, then this means "the end of the test" and no more additional requirements (otherwise, if he provides documents for the origin of the funds, will they ask for a certificate stating that he is a diligent Christian?). The origin of funds should be studied by the tax office, if the casino is a tax agent, then it must send data there, but not request any documents from the player.

[Jemzx00]

another thing is that KYC is created to prevent money laundering, but can't a thief create a casino and launder money? so why can the casino creator be anonymous and the customer can't be anonymous? This is a question I've been asking myself for a long time and honestly I can't understand it

Physical casinos have and probably still are used for exactly this purpose. They are a great front to put dirty money into circulation and launder them. I watched documentaries years ago where old crime bosses explained how they created partnerships with casino owners in Montenegro to launder their through their establishments. I am sure that while we speak, someone somewhere is doing it right now. With the popularity of online casinos, it's even easier.   

I've seen similar documentaries on different social media platform as well as tv shows where it explained that casinos are widely used as a way to launder money from different organizations. There are even illegal operations such as drugs that uses casinos as their front. Actually, some movies that depicts casinos as illegals fronts are and can be associated in real life. However, there are other businesses that are used as a front for money laundering but casino are quite common due to the amount that can be easily laundered.

[minime0105]

If I have to do KYC without being able to skip it, then I prefer not to register, because this really disturbs my comfort, I have more respect for sites that don't require KYC, we know that there are online casino sites that don't require KYC, and provide bonus if doing kyc, then i prefer that.

Many online gambling right now doesn't request for KYC because it's their on policy, but i want to tell you that online gambling that demands for KYC are the one i choose to operate with, because I feel that they have higher security, but many people doesn't not value those gambling platform that demands for KYC verification, and sometimes values the one that gives bonus without a KYC verification, so it depends on how we gamble and our interest in gambling platforms.

[carlfebz2]

If I have to do KYC without being able to skip it, then I prefer not to register, because this really disturbs my comfort, I have more respect for sites that don't require KYC, we know that there are online casino sites that don't require KYC, and provide bonus if doing kyc, then i prefer that.

It will depend on what site we are doing our kyc. It is okay if it’s a established casino already and proven to be operated legally and somehow requires KYC to keep their business registration nut jf its too new then probably will not do it even they offer bonuses. Some known casinos only requires KYC when you reached certain amount to withdraw or in their set value. So others who simply just want to play will be able to play without worrying to di KYC.

You would really be making some reconsiderations if you are old player on a site whenever they do make out some changes for all players need to submit some KYc which you could somewhat assure that you

do trust up a particular platform and not a new one which do directly make out some ask of documents or verification which is something that we dont really like on the first place.

For a new gambling site and then ask out some kyc then 100% majority of people  would really be ignoring or skipping these sites.We do have lots of options and
choices in todays market.We cant just risk up on something new and directly ask out verifications.

[Davidvictorson]

I have had a very terrible experience with giving out personal details during online registrations and i end up getting hacked or something. So yes, I have a huge problem with casinos that makes the supply of this information mandatory. As long as you are not in my region, I have no need to give out my personal details.

[len01]

opting for KYC as a condition of withdrawing big winnings at gambling for me is fine.
but that all applies to reputable gambling platforms like the ones on this forum.
i don't mind doing KYC if it's really necessary and it has become the terms and conditions of the platform that must be done.
but there are also some gamblers who choose to be willing to lose all their money instead of having to enter KYC on a gambling platform because anonymity is more important than money

[strunberg]

opting for KYC as a condition of withdrawing big winnings at gambling for me is fine.
but that all applies to reputable gambling platforms like the ones on this forum.
i don't mind doing KYC if it's really necessary and it has become the terms and conditions of the platform that must be done.
but there are also some gamblers who choose to be willing to lose all their money instead of having to enter KYC on a gambling platform because anonymity is more important than money

if we have problem.with our account and identity why we should worry , i am agree with you as long as its worthed to pass kyc maybe i will do same thing.before choose gambling platform better we research about irs reputation ,maybe use information in this forum could help us to find them.

[tranthidung]

opting for KYC as a condition of withdrawing big winnings at gambling for me is fine.
but that all applies to reputable gambling platforms like the ones on this forum.

Casinos can either require KYC after you creating your account to be eligible using it or require KYC when you submit big withdrawal or have suspicious activities (from deposit - money laundering, strange betting style, likely cheating, ...) with your account.

Usually we can not win big so I don't mind to finish KYC if it is not mandatory.

i don't mind doing KYC if it's really necessary and it has become the terms and conditions of the platform that must be done.

Gamblers should complete KYC if they intend to deposit big money to bet. If they want to use big money to bet, they must avoid failure of KYC that means they will not be approved for withdrawal.

[QueenVera]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

I really don't want KYC at casinos, but if there must be one, then it should be at the preliminary stage of preregistration, not after luring me with a no KYC from your advert, and after giving it a try with some money and possibly starts making some significant money, then you jumb out from the blues asking for KYC. That isn't right as I believe one of the major reasons for joining was because the casino might have stated, that KYC isn't a must.

Casinos should always try as much as possible to always be very transparent with their dealings, as this isn't just about the players but also the reputation of their company as well.

I will always prefer to do KYC before doing any casino stuff and it is the best for me ask wouldn't want to hear stories at the time of my winning.

[AicecreaME]

My question to the Bitcointalk community is this one: if it were up to you, would you keep the current status quo and have crypto casinos brand themselves as no KYC, only to ask for identity verification during withdrawal requests or big wins, or would you rather be required to complete KYC during the registration process and decide there and then whether you want to do that or not?

Please submit your votes in the poll, and share your thoughts below.

I really don't want KYC at casinos, but if there must be one, then it should be at the preliminary stage of preregistration, not after luring me with a no KYC from your advert, and after giving it a try with some money and possibly starts making some significant money, then you jumb out from the blues asking for KYC. That isn't right as I believe one of the major reasons for joining was because the casino might have stated, that KYC isn't a must.

Casinos should always try as much as possible to always be very transparent with their dealings, as this isn't just about the players but also the reputation of their company as well.

I will always prefer to do KYC before doing any casino stuff and it is the best for me ask wouldn't want to hear stories at the time of my winning.

This is what I prefer too. Being upfront with the client also matters to me, so I'm likely to pick the one saying the truth starting from the beginning than be shocked once I decide to withdraw, then turns out I have to oblige to some rules wasn't stated in the first place. This is why reading the TOS will surely help a player in picking the casino to play for good. Because some casinos don't really state upright that they have KYC because it sounds off to most of the players.

Instead of declaring it in their campaign, they hide it to entice people to sign up, deposit and play. Only to find out that they also require at the latter process a verification of identity as well. While it is a good marketing strategy to garner players, it can also be the cause why the players will lose trust on them. Indeed, casinos must upheld transparency and dignity so that they'll maintain their reputation well. Gambling is also a business and the owners must look at the long term and not only the short term goal as their priority

[Pmalek]

Such crazy claims should be ruled out and the casino should be penalized for requesting such documents. If a person has passed the KYC, then this means "the end of the test" and no more additional requirements (otherwise, if he provides documents for the origin of the funds, will they ask for a certificate stating that he is a diligent Christian?).

Origin of funds is something that is required in the traditional financial systems as well. I have never traded stocks, but I am pretty sure they need to know where your money comes from before it accesses those markets as well. When you buy a house or a company, or you want to put some money in your bank account, you can't just show up with a bag full with money. Everyone will want to know where all that came from and has it been obtained in illegal ways.   

[samcrypto]

Such crazy claims should be ruled out and the casino should be penalized for requesting such documents. If a person has passed the KYC, then this means "the end of the test" and no more additional requirements (otherwise, if he provides documents for the origin of the funds, will they ask for a certificate stating that he is a diligent Christian?).

Origin of funds is something that is required in the traditional financial systems as well. I have never traded stocks, but I am pretty sure they need to know where your money comes from before it accesses those markets as well. When you buy a house or a company, or you want to put some money in your bank account, you can't just show up with a bag full with money. Everyone will want to know where all that came from and has it been obtained in illegal ways.   

Unfortunately, this is how regulations works and that casino are just following the instruction so technically they will ask for additional documents of they think it’s needed, usually they will ask if the account is suspicious. I’m ok with KYC during the registration period, this means that the site are implementing their rules strictly and we have a choice either to play with the site or not. Using fake identity as well should not be tolerated, it’s too risky for a gambler.

[qwertyup23]

Such crazy claims should be ruled out and the casino should be penalized for requesting such documents. If a person has passed the KYC, then this means "the end of the test" and no more additional requirements (otherwise, if he provides documents for the origin of the funds, will they ask for a certificate stating that he is a diligent Christian?).

Origin of funds is something that is required in the traditional financial systems as well. I have never traded stocks, but I am pretty sure they need to know where your money comes from before it accesses those markets as well. When you buy a house or a company, or you want to put some money in your bank account, you can't just show up with a bag full with money. Everyone will want to know where all that came from and has it been obtained in illegal ways.   

I think it depends but if the online gambling website requires it, then I am obliged to comply.

It is somehow implied that if an online gambling website asks for KYC, they are mandated by their government to follow their respective laws. Though this may seem unsecured, it is actually the other way around- you are somehow more secured by sending KYC documents as the government can now intervene in the event of a mishap or scam on the part of the gambling website.

Unfortunately, even exchanges ask for KYC documents nowadays. Our local exchange has been so strict to the point that it even asked for the ITR of my parents to prove that the BTC coming from my account is not contraband or illegal.

[Frankolala]

If the casino asks for KYC during registration, I might give them as long as  I have a guarantee that my data is save, but if because I win big,the casino is now asking for KYC. I will not give them and will never gamble in their platform anymore.
 
I don't like playing in casinos with KYC as long as there are other way to bypass it. It is better you keep you private information safe than giving it out to some casinos that only wants to get your money at all the time. Your information can get to the wrong hands and this might make you loss more money,than the entertainment you will derived in gambling

[348Judah]

I will prefer being unknown to the casino itself than having all my private life with them, we have a number of casinos that will not demand for KYC during registration point but later makes a request in doing so while sone don't and are popularly known as KYC free casinos, this are the choices a gambler is tied to make or go with the ones that will demand for KYC right at the registration point, but i see nothing benefits them with having gamblers data with them than to later harm, reveal, exposed, track or identify a gambler's identity.

[TopT3ns]

I will prefer being unknown to the casino itself than having all my private life with them, we have a number of casinos that will not demand for KYC during registration point but later makes a request in doing so while sone don't and are popularly known as KYC free casinos, this are the choices a gambler is tied to make or go with the ones that will demand for KYC right at the registration point, but i see nothing benefits them with having gamblers data with them than to later harm, reveal, exposed, track or identify a gambler's identity.

Being anonymous in the internet world is indeed very important to do but when you do it at an online casino gambling place, not all of them have such a policy, sometimes we all have to follow the existing rules for the security of the casino, because usually KYC is used to prove that money that you use at the casino premises is not the result of money laundering or the like which can harm the casino premises.

[KTChampions]

Such crazy claims should be ruled out and the casino should be penalized for requesting such documents. If a person has passed the KYC, then this means "the end of the test" and no more additional requirements (otherwise, if he provides documents for the origin of the funds, will they ask for a certificate stating that he is a diligent Christian?).

Origin of funds is something that is required in the traditional financial systems as well. I have never traded stocks, but I am pretty sure they need to know where your money comes from before it accesses those markets as well. When you buy a house or a company, or you want to put some money in your bank account, you can't just show up with a bag full with money. Everyone will want to know where all that came from and has it been obtained in illegal ways.   

Yes you are right. But this is true for exchanges, brokers, etc. When you go to a bakery or a movie theater, you don't expect the cashier to demand that you go through the KYC, bring certificates and get fingerprinted, right? The casino is an entertainment facility, even if it is related to finances, if a player wants to play for millions (obviously a large sum), then the tax police, and not the casino staff, should study the origin of his funds.

[Lucasgabd]

^

If you favor anonymity then do not use casinos that are registered in jurisdictions that require KYC/AML. For this you need to read the TOS of the casino. True, this is not a panacea, as some casinos do require proof of identity and income after a serious win. I can not advise you how to protect yourself from the transfer of personal data between casinos, but it seems to me that if they transfer data it should be spelled out in the TOS. So you have to read the TOS carefully.

good point
now, what are some of the casinos without KYC nowadays that can be trusted?
we hear a lot of the KYC discussion but I don't really know many reliable websites where you can gamble without KYC
maybe freebitcoins?

[Lanatsa]

^

If you favor anonymity then do not use casinos that are registered in jurisdictions that require KYC/AML. For this you need to read the TOS of the casino. True, this is not a panacea, as some casinos do require proof of identity and income after a serious win. I can not advise you how to protect yourself from the transfer of personal data between casinos, but it seems to me that if they transfer data it should be spelled out in the TOS. So you have to read the TOS carefully.

good point
now, what are some of the casinos without KYC nowadays that can be trusted?
we hear a lot of the KYC discussion but I don't really know many reliable websites where you can gamble without KYC
maybe freebitcoins?

Based up on real experience then majority of crypto gambling platforms doesnt really ask out for KYC (aside from Roobet) which they are asking level 1 kyc and the rest is just really having that typical

email/username+password registration then you are good to go.Thing here is that majority of these platforms are regulated which if you do tend to read up their terms and conditions then you would

eventually find out that they could anytime ask out for some verification but of course into those certain conditions or possible shady activities on which the user is involved.
Therefore,i dont see much of this as a big issue or problem on todays situation which we could still bare it out.

[Sarah Azhari]

we hear a lot of the KYC discussion but I don't really know many reliable websites where you can gamble without KYC
maybe freebitcoins?

Freebitcoin is the old and biggest gambling site without KYC, that site is very trusted here. but, I really sure if the user withdraws in big money, KYC is must required, right?. If something rouse suspicion what ever gambling site with or without KYC, it could be required for each user.

[Reatim]

we hear a lot of the KYC discussion but I don't really know many reliable websites where you can gamble without KYC
maybe freebitcoins?

Freebitcoin is the old and biggest gambling site without KYC, that site is very trusted here. but, I really sure if the user withdraws in big money, KYC is must required, right?. If something rouse suspicion what ever gambling site with or without KYC, it could be required for each user.

It is already existing that if the  withdrawals are big then KYC will be required and since you are withdrawing btig amount then you have no choice but to comply right?

but for me personally , I would rather deal with KYC in the beginning so I will never have any issue in my future betting.

this is something that we gamblers wanted to be assured off.

[SirLancelot]

I have more respect for sites that don't require KYC

But are you absolutely sure that is true for the sites you play on? Have you actually read their terms and rules, and does it say with certainty that there is no chance players will ever be required to undergo KYC? I would check again because it's probably mentioned they can ask you for it whenever they please. You aren't in the spotlight now, maybe you will be in the future...

It's better to read the TOS before we play because there are hidden terms on them sometimes. I think some casinos mean it for the sole purpose of attracting players but this can also backfire them so it's always better if the casino is honest and never hide anything from their customer. That is how they earn respect and trust.

For those who are already like that and let say they don't require any KYC but in case the government forces them to do so in the future. I think they will give an advance warning to their users about this matter so that their users can decide if they will continue playing on the casino or if they will find other gambling places which don't have a KYC.

[Pmalek]

If the casino asks for KYC during registration, I might give them as long as  I have a guarantee that my data is save

No one can guarantee that. And even if they are, they will be lying to get you to comply with their requests. Everything that is centralized is under the threat of getting hacked sooner or later. The world's biggest sites and companies have, why would it be any different for a small online crypto casino?

but if because I win big,the casino is now asking for KYC. I will not give them and will never gamble in their platform anymore.

That also means that you will most probably never get your money off of their platform.

The casino is an entertainment facility, even if it is related to finances, if a player wants to play for millions (obviously a large sum), then the tax police, and not the casino staff, should study the origin of his funds.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. If the authorities have reasons to suspect that money was laundered through a business such as a casino, they are going to investigate what that company did to try and prevent that from happening. If they did nothing, they could be considered accomplices and be investigated, temporarily shut down, or forced to pay fines. So a casino will always protect its ass even if it means hurting you - the player.

[KTChampions]

The casino is an entertainment facility, even if it is related to finances, if a player wants to play for millions (obviously a large sum), then the tax police, and not the casino staff, should study the origin of his funds.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. If the authorities have reasons to suspect that money was laundered through a business such as a casino, they are going to investigate what that company did to try and prevent that from happening. If they did nothing, they could be considered accomplices and be investigated, temporarily shut down, or forced to pay fines. So a casino will always protect its ass even if it means hurting you - the player.

Yes, I understand what you are talking about, but in my opinion, the very existence of the KYC protects both the casino and the player from the need to prove (to the casino) the purity of the funds. The casino only transmits data to the tax police: the player's full name brought in so much money -> withdrew so much. That's it, nothing else is required, then the tax police communicates (If necessary) with the player directly.
Let's say I'm a legal multimillionaire, will I really send my documents confirming the origin of funds to every casino if I decide to play in it? I don't think this will suit anyone. But to go through the KYC procedure and then not receive any questions from the tax inspectorate (because they already see that I am a legal millionaire and do not wash money in the casino) will suit me.

[eaLiTy]

~
Let's say I'm a legal multimillionaire, will I really send my documents confirming the origin of funds to every casino if I decide to play in it? I don't think this will suit anyone. But to go through the KYC procedure and then not receive any questions from the tax inspectorate (because they already see that I am a legal millionaire and do not wash money in the casino) will suit me.

I would assume that even millionaires who wage a large amount of money will be undergoing KYC rather than providing fake documents because majority are waging huge amount of money. Drake story about gambling in stake was initially covered in an article regarding a UFC event and now they are official partners and even during UFC 280 i heard a couple of podcasters talking about placing a bet on stake worth $50k for Sean O'Malley and i am sure they need to undergo KYC.

I doubt online casinos will be giving out information about anything to any authority unless there is a scrutiny during any investigation regarding the source of money or certain transaction which is connected to their investigation and only then they will provide the authorities the data regarding any transactions.

[South Park]

Freebitcoin is the old and biggest gambling site without KYC, that site is very trusted here. but, I really sure if the user withdraws in big money, KYC is must required, right?. If something rouse suspicion what ever gambling site with or without KYC, it could be required for each user.

It is already existing that if the  withdrawals are big then KYC will be required and since you are withdrawing btig amount then you have no choice but to comply right?

but for me personally , I would rather deal with KYC in the beginning so I will never have any issue in my future betting.

this is something that we gamblers wanted to be assured off.

While that would be the correct thing to do casinos do not want to be so strict with their KYC requirements as they know people are not really happy about having to go through them, so if a casino did this you can be sure they will lose a lot of clients, because as soon as some gamblers saw this they will just move on and keep playing at the casinos which do not have this requirement or in which they have already identified themselves after playing for a long time.

[yayayo]

Legislation is also getting stricter. Players no longer have a problem working on a KYC once, right? There are casinos that use this to delay payouts, but most casinos have this sorted out in a few hours or 1 day anyway. Crypto gambling has come on the market quite late, before that verifying an ID was always necessary. For the new gamblers it can be annoying to participate in a KYC. I would not care about it at all.

ya.ya.yo!

[Mahanton]

Legislation is also getting stricter. Players no longer have a problem working on a KYC once, right? There are casinos that use this to delay payouts, but most casinos have this sorted out in a few hours or 1 day anyway. Crypto gambling has come on the market quite late, before that verifying an ID was always necessary. For the new gamblers it can be annoying to participate in a KYC. I would not care about it at all.

ya.ya.yo!

Regulation do indeed becomes stricter as government would really be that keeps an eye specially on crypto based or related sites or platforms which is really the thing that they could touch up but since we do have that
standard laws and regulations in speaking about money laundering then it turns out that these are just pretty basic things.For someone who doesnt really need to hide off something
or doesnt care about those documents or personal information then this wont really be that an issue.All of people doesnt really like KYC and this is where
crypto gambling did boom out.

[KTChampions]

~
Let's say I'm a legal multimillionaire, will I really send my documents confirming the origin of funds to every casino if I decide to play in it? I don't think this will suit anyone. But to go through the KYC procedure and then not receive any questions from the tax inspectorate (because they already see that I am a legal millionaire and do not wash money in the casino) will suit me.

I would assume that even millionaires who wage a large amount of money will be undergoing KYC rather than providing fake documents because majority are waging huge amount of money. Drake story about gambling in stake was initially covered in an article regarding a UFC event and now they are official partners and even during UFC 280 i heard a couple of podcasters talking about placing a bet on stake worth $50k for Sean O'Malley and i am sure they need to undergo KYC.

I doubt online casinos will be giving out information about anything to any authority unless there is a scrutiny during any investigation and they data regarding any transactions.

This is exactly what I am trying to prove: the KYC procedure should free you from the need to prove the purity of funds. If a person has identified himself, then the casino has nothing to worry about, since in case of problems this person will be punished by the tax police. And I don't know why you think casinos don't provide player data to government agencies. I think that most provide data because otherwise they would not have licenses in the territory of those countries and would be banned.

[Vaculin]

I agree and don't mind doing that.

Especially for "CASINO" who asking KYC at the time we're registered and "BEFORE WE DEPOSIT" the fund. The problem we are facing is, some of CASINO is asking KYC at the time we're winning or after we deposit the money.

Another things for "KYC" problem: Source of Income & Proof of address in some third country not everyone have this, because most of us, still living in the family. I'm hoping to get a solution for this one, it's make a big problem for some people.

Majority of these casinos nowadays are just taking advantage and using the KYC method to prevent users from withdrawing their funds, it really looks like that they just want us, the bettors, to deposit and deposit without enjoying their winnings and that's where nasty things begin. Honestly, I also don't mind at all if they will ask KYC because I understand that they are just following what the authorities wanted them to do but they should ask it up front when registering or when making some deposits and not when we decide to withdraw it.

[panganib999]

I agree with the sentiments of some here. Especially regarding being blocked by KYC when they are just about to withdraw their winnings or after a massive win, making it look like they are being stopped from getting the prize they so deserved. However, there is logic behind this, although said logic isn't really something that takes the welfare of the customer. They are making sure that your money is not going elsewhere basically, without a pesky KYC that takes minutes or even hours in certain instances to finally push through, you could just withdraw your funds easy-peasy. Also this making you stay longer within their website brought about by the KYC provides traffic to their website, which means more money for them.

[348Judah]

I don't like anything that has to do with KYC from the first day because of it intrigued pool of questions concerning ones private life, i thought about it that why will they require for an information they will not make use of and this gives me the straight answer for an individual that they will definitely work towards every information received by them from ou in later life, by then you might have forgotten, now gamblers prefer crypto casinos that will require not KYC right from the registration to the whole services enjoyed by the gamblers just to secure themselves against any future panic of being tracked.

[noormcs5]

What is happening with KYC that is so troublesome?

When you open a betting account, most casinos won’t ask you who you are.
When you want to deposit cryptocurrencies, you’re welcome to do so.
If you want to bet and play games, there usually aren’t any problems.
If you lose your coins and you wish to deposit more, no one asks you anything.
No one is called a cheater or a rule breaker when they are losing. There are no TOS infringements, either.

But if you start winning and win big, you soon become the center of attention. All of a sudden, it becomes important who you are, where you are from, the origin of your coins, and whether you have any ulterior motives for being here.

Do we have any options to avoid KYC or not face this disgusting situation offered by the casino in case we win big amounts 
I am afraid we are just helpless in front of these centralized casinos. We are not so powerful to dictate the casino. It's a pity that gamblers spend money on gambling platforms, yet they have no voice , no rights. We are at mercy in the hands of gambling houses.

The only way to survive in this gambling market, is to perform the KYC initially rather than waiting for the withdrawal and then get the surprise.

[Pmalek]

Do we have any options to avoid KYC or not face this disgusting situation offered by the casino in case we win big amounts 

No, not really. The terms are rarely in the player's favor. By accepting them (something you have to do when registering an account), you agree that the casino has the right to make enquiries and request that you verify yourself. They condition you by freezing your balance until you have done what they want you to.

You only have a chance against them if you manage to find a term in their rules that allows you to reject KYC requests without them having the right to confiscate or freeze your money. That, together with community pressure and negative press could be enough to change their mind.   

[Smartprofit]

Majority of the gamblers have got used to it. Maybe one out of hundred makes a big win in gambling. So, this hasn't turned to be a big issue among the gamblers. In simple terms people have used to it. Majority have small wins and that doesn't require any KYC for the withdrawal. KYC at the time of registration will be a big blow to the gambling house, because gamblers prefer to stay anonymous.

Yes, in my opinion, information about the need to pass KYC when registering at an online casino is a good option. 

It is much worse when the need for KYC is announced after the game and the attempt to get a win.  If an online casino involves passing KYC when registering with an online casino, then a potential player receives all the information he needs. 

At the same time, he gets the opportunity to make an informed choice not to use the services of this casino, but to look for another one (without KYC).

[348Judah]

Yes, in my opinion, information about the need to pass KYC when registering at an online casino is a good option. 

Why should it sound good? isn't because of kyc and privacy that makes you choose alternative to government controlled system of fiat with cryptocurrency here, don't you want to secure your private details, gambling sites are strictly meant for betting and no need for unnecessary KYC because it serves even a waste of time, i want to gamble and you're asking me about alot of personal information i wouldn't want to give.

It is much worse when the need for KYC is announced after the game and the attempt to get a win. 

That is why it is better to avoid it entirety from the start, it they demand it in the beginning there's no certainty that it won't be requested again with time, the best way is to get a KYC free casino to use for your gambling experience

[eaLiTy]

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Let's say I'm a legal multimillionaire, will I really send my documents confirming the origin of funds to every casino if I decide to play in it? I don't think this will suit anyone. But to go through the KYC procedure and then not receive any questions from the tax inspectorate (because they already see that I am a legal millionaire and do not wash money in the casino) will suit me.

I would assume that even millionaires who wage a large amount of money will be undergoing KYC rather than providing fake documents because majority are waging huge amount of money. Drake story about gambling in stake was initially covered in an article regarding a UFC event and now they are official partners and even during UFC 280 i heard a couple of podcasters talking about placing a bet on stake worth $50k for Sean O'Malley and i am sure they need to undergo KYC.

I doubt online casinos will be giving out information about anything to any authority unless there is a scrutiny during any investigation and they data regarding any transactions.

This is exactly what I am trying to prove: the KYC procedure should free you from the need to prove the purity of funds. If a person has identified himself, then the casino has nothing to worry about, since in case of problems this person will be punished by the tax police. And I don't know why you think casinos don't provide player data to government agencies. I think that most provide data because otherwise they would not have licenses in the territory of those countries and would be banned.

The only reason is there are 195 countries and these online casinos are registered in one country for their licenses and if that particular licensing authorities ask them to provide the details they might furnish them, but you think with 100s of casinos online the tax authorities of all these 195 countries will be contacting all these online casinos about who is gambling in their platform. Not sure if that is even possible that they will be providing all the information to multiple countries just to be on the good side   .

If i make a public statement that i am gambling in so and so website, the tax authorities who is monitoring my activities might check with that platform and the casino might furnish those details. With 100s of online casinos and if i am not using the banking system to fund those casino, how the tax authorities will know about my gambling activities. Unless the source of my cryptocurrency is tainted and it is under scrutiny i will be under investigation but the chances that the same investigating authority will be from my country that i am paying the tax is remotely small.

[KTChampions]

This is exactly what I am trying to prove: the KYC procedure should free you from the need to prove the purity of funds. If a person has identified himself, then the casino has nothing to worry about, since in case of problems this person will be punished by the tax police. And I don't know why you think casinos don't provide player data to government agencies. I think that most provide data because otherwise they would not have licenses in the territory of those countries and would be banned.

The only reason is there are 195 countries and these online casinos are registered in one country for their licenses and if that particular licensing authorities ask them to provide the details they might furnish them, but you think with 100s of casinos online the tax authorities of all these 195 countries will be contacting all these online casinos about who is gambling in their platform. Not sure if that is even possible that they will be providing all the information to multiple countries just to be on the good side   .

If i make a public statement that i am gambling in so and so website, the tax authorities who is monitoring my activities might check with that platform and the casino might furnish those details. With 100s of online casinos and if i am not using the banking system to fund those casino, how the tax authorities will know about my gambling activities. Unless the source of my cryptocurrency is tainted and it is under scrutiny i will be under investigation but the chances that the same investigating authority will be from my country that i am paying the tax is remotely small.

In terms of numbers (the number of countries and considerations that they are unlikely to report to the tax authorities of each country), you are right. The problem is that theory and practice do not converge. How much do you know about the jurisdiction and taxes of Somalia, Zimbabwe, Guinea and Bissau etc.? I think very little because in fact there are two groups of countries - dollar-centric and all the rest of varying degrees of marginality. We all want (although I should not speak for everyone, maybe someone wants to have their money, for example, in the jurisdiction of Iran) to have money in the jurisdictions of developed countries and it is desirable that it be dollars/cryptocurrencies. But these jurisdictions are strict and everything is inevitable - tracking funds, taxes, KYC/AML and if the player can somehow avoid this then any serious business (which is a casino) can not.

[Unsoldier]

I don't like it when casinos require KYC from their users. But it's hard to find a good gambling platform that doesn't request verification. All I can advise is this. Always make sure to watermark your photos. This procedure will help to make your data unusable when casino databases are compromised.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I won't say that I'ma gambler though but, if I were to decide to have my way in gaming, I'd prefer that casinos require KYCs at the first stage of registration INSTEAD of allowing a user to own an account, deposit funds then begin to wager ......then asking finally for it at the time of withdrawal, that -- to me, looks like they're somehow tryna introduce Incessant protocols for the fact that the user has won a bet in their sites. The "Know -your- customer" policy is very imperative this days --most especially in a crypto casino site -- because without it, anyone could simply log on your account and withdraw your funds into a different wallet....that, ofcourse happens accidentally yunno.

Sandra 💇

[$crypto$]

I don't like it when casinos require KYC from their users. But it's hard to find a good gambling platform that doesn't request verification. All I can advise is this. Always make sure to watermark your photos. This procedure will help to make your data unusable when casino databases are compromised.

Some of us are sure against KYC from any casino we play but after it becomes a big win it will be the center of attention as the OP explained, but every casino has rules in our TOS that must be read and from some casinos, KYC will be needed if there is anything we suspect, there's always a word it's possible for a big winner.
Watermarked photos, but I know every KYC they always ask for clear photos without any extras including watermarks even though I haven't tried KYC in other casinos.

[crzy]

I don't like it when casinos require KYC from their users. But it's hard to find a good gambling platform that doesn't request verification. All I can advise is this. Always make sure to watermark your photos. This procedure will help to make your data unusable when casino databases are compromised.

That’s a good one, as long you don’t put that watermark on your face probably the site can accept that. There’s a way to be more secured and if you still afraid of KYC then it’s really hard to find a good site. I prefer being asked for KYC during the registration because at least I know that it’s a requirement and will do some actions as well to protect it. Gambling site may start to ask this as regulations are happening, we are slowly getting into this requirement.

[Pmalek]

Why should it sound good?

Because if you know there is a need to go through KYC as soon as you register, you can turn your back to that casino and go elsewhere if you don't want to do it. It's clarity and transparency from the start compared to being welcomed in and allowed to deposit and gamble, and then you get asked for KYC if you want to withdraw money from your account.

the best way is to get a KYC free casino to use for your gambling experience

That's easier said than done. If you know one that operates in such a way, go and take a look at their terms and read them thoroughly. You will probably discover they have the right to ask you for KYC whenever they want. The list of crypto casino that aren't going to do that is only going to get shorter in the future.

Always make sure to watermark your photos. This procedure will help to make your data unusable when casino databases are compromised.

This is the first time I am hearing someone suggest this. I have never given it any thought, but it's something worth remembering. 

[nakamura12]

There are people who already got used to KYC when they withdraw huge amount of money on a casino online. If a casino requires KYC upon registration then they can stop creating an account if they don't want to go through KYC. For some who are used to it or okay with it then they can continue if they want to. I think some doesn't like to create an account in a casino where they created an account without KYC but when withdraw huge amount KYC is needed which is time consuming in my own opinion.

[noormcs5]

I don't like it when casinos require KYC from their users. But it's hard to find a good gambling platform that doesn't request verification. All I can advise is this. Always make sure to watermark your photos. This procedure will help to make your data unusable when casino databases are compromised.

That’s a good one, as long you don’t put that watermark on your face probably the site can accept that. There’s a way to be more secured and if you still afraid of KYC then it’s really hard to find a good site. I prefer being asked for KYC during the registration because at least I know that it’s a requirement and will do some actions as well to protect it. Gambling site may start to ask this as regulations are happening, we are slowly getting into this requirement.

To be honest, no one likes to do KYC but it is better to clear the KYC at the time of deposit, and not wait for the withdrawal and found yourself in a situation where you are unable to withdraw only because you are not able to clear the KYC.

Though some people are saying that gambling sites should ask for KYC at the time of registration. I would not support that as sometimes we make an account on the site to see how the site look like but never deposit there. Better to make KYC compulsory at the time of deposit.

Gambling sites will never impose this restriction as they want people to deposit without any restrictions or KYC. We ,as gamblers, should do KYC ourself before deposits if we know that KYC would be required at the time of withdrawal.

[harizen]

Though some people are saying that gambling sites should ask for KYC at the time of registration. I would not support that as sometimes we make an account on the site to see how the site look like but never deposit there. Better to make KYC compulsory at the time of deposit.

I don't think there's a crypto-casino yet that asked KYC right away during the registration. If there's any, anyone can correct me on this. At most cases, users can freely register an account on that site to check the platform's interface or what else can be seen on that site.

More importantly, if the KYC is really mandatory, it should be supposed to be highlighted clearly on the Deposit/Withdrawal page.

But referring to most crypto-gambling sites today, KYC is not mandatory and that might just be asked for big withdrawals. For what amount can be considered as big withdrawals, that is something not disclosed on any site's TOS.

[Pmalek]

I don't think there's a crypto-casino yet that asked KYC right away during the registration. If there's any, anyone can correct me on this.

I know that I came across some when I did research for my gambling threads. I am pretty sure Roobet requires all their players to perform KYC now. BK8 is another one that I believe does it. At least that was the case when I tried to register there. You should also be wary with long-standing fiat casinos that upgraded their systems to also support crypto. Some of them could have the same rules no matter if you want to play with traditional fiat or cryptocurrencies. 

[noormcs5]

Though some people are saying that gambling sites should ask for KYC at the time of registration. I would not support that as sometimes we make an account on the site to see how the site look like but never deposit there. Better to make KYC compulsory at the time of deposit.

I don't think there's a crypto-casino yet that asked KYC right away during the registration. If there's any, anyone can correct me on this. At most cases, users can freely register an account on that site to check the platform's interface or what else can be seen on that site.

More importantly, if the KYC is really mandatory, it should be supposed to be highlighted clearly on the Deposit/Withdrawal page.

But referring to most crypto-gambling sites today, KYC is not mandatory and that might just be asked for big withdrawals. For what amount can be considered as big withdrawals, that is something not disclosed on any site's TOS.

That's what i said that there should be no casino which ask for KYC straight away on registration and good thing is that there is none known to my knowledge.
Now, you do not know when you will win big and suddenly required to do a KYC. At that moment, the untrusted gambling sites may not approve your KYC so that you are not able to withdraw big amount. That was the reason i was saying that we should perform the KYC at the time of deposit, even though it is not mandatory at that point.