New and improved Trezor website

[Pmalek]

Trezor has launched a new version of its official website - https://trezor.io/.
It looks very slick if you ask me. The thing I feel is missing is a dark mode. I just hate looking at all the white.

- I am not sure if the old Trezor website posted information about the number of sold hardware wallets. But the new site states that Trezor has over 1 million customers. The Model T was sold over 300.000 times, but the clear winner is Model One with over 750.000 units sold.

- According to their blog announcement, the Knowledgebase section is also new. It helps you get started with your hardware wallet, you can learn about Bitcoin, the Trezor Suite, security, privacy, etc.  

- A new version of the Trezor Suite was also released today. Version 22.10.2. This comes in preparation for the CoinJoin feature that will be introduced in the future. The other change is a new tag next to multisig and transactions signed by multiple parties. They are now labelled in the Trezor Suite as Joint BTC transactions.  


More info is available here:
https://blog.trezor.io/new-trezor-website-and-trezor-suite-update-october-66788fedf4f3

[OmegaStarScream]

Trezor has launched a new version of its official website - https://trezor.io/.
It looks very slick if you ask me. The thing I feel is missing is a dark mode. I just hate looking at all the white.

The dark mode is still available on the Trezor suite web though. It's only the main page that doesn't have it.

- I am not sure if the old Trezor website posted information about the number of sold hardware wallets. But the new site states that Trezor has over 1 million customers. The Model T was sold over 300.000 times, but the clear winner is Model One with over 750.000 units sold.
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It didn't, but they stated before that they have sold over 1M units. I'm not sure that number is going to be increasing soon though, not with the recent changes to the T model price anyway.

[dkbit98]

Trezor has launched a new version of its official website - https://trezor.io/.
It looks very slick if you ask me. The thing I feel is missing is a dark mode. I just hate looking at all the white.

We finally agree on something, my eyes can't stand using website that are all white so I found multiple solutions to combat this problem, and Trezor website is looking great with DarkReader extension.
One more bad thing I see on their website is new price for Trezor One wallet that now cost almost 90 euros, that is way expensive if you ask me, and it's ever worse for Trezor Model T.
On positive side, new feature they recently added in Trezor Suite is buying P2P non-KYC worldwide crypto with HodlHodl.com.

[Pmalek]

We finally agree on something, my eyes can't stand using website that are all white so I found multiple solutions to combat this problem, and Trezor website is looking great with DarkReader extension.

I have tried this extension in the past, but I didn't like it. I know you can tweak the settings, colors, and brightness levels for each website you visit to make it better, but the default look is bad if you ask me. It's the complete opposite of all the white and turns the whole page in a similarly unattractive but just black version.   

One more bad thing I see on their website is new price for Trezor One wallet that now cost almost 90 euros, that is way expensive if you ask me, and it's ever worse for Trezor Model T.

I guess it depends on the IP address and the location from where you access the site. Yesterday when I checked it, the Model One was shown to my at a price of €69. I now see €82. Model T was €217, now it's €260. It depends on the IP.

If you add one of the wallets in the cart and go to checkout, try flicking through the different countries in the list. EU countries are €82-€86. European countries that aren't part of the EU, Asia, and Africa are €69. Depending on local tax and customs regulations, that €69 initial price could become bigger once the HW gets shipped to that location.   

[hugeblack]

The design looks modern, but it added a lot of details that the user may not need on the home page.

The weird side is that the compare page^[1] will make u more likely to buy a Trezor Model One than a Trezor Model T since the features are almost the same.

I expected that there would be blueprints and a short website, now it looks like someone who tried to collect several page ideas on one page

https://trezor.io/compare

[dkbit98]

I guess it depends on the IP address and the location from where you access the site. Yesterday when I checked it, the Model One was shown to my at a price of €69. I now see €82. Model T was €217, now it's €260. It depends on the IP.

I can't fake my IP address for ordering stuff, but I wouldn't order this online anyway.
Either way, anything over 80 euros is expensive for wallet that almost didn't change at all since it was released years ago, and price for Model T is simply unacceptable.

The design looks modern, but it added a lot of details that the user may not need on the home page.

I actually don't like this rounded design style of corners and I see now everyone is adopting it, from operating systems, browsers, even bitcoin exchanges like FTX is now with rounded style 

The weird side is that the compare page^[1] will make u more likely to buy a Trezor Model One than a Trezor Model T since the features are almost the same.

They are almost the same, but model T has bigger memory, bigger screen and it supports more shitcoins.
Yes there are few advantages, but nothing major that would be wort paying over 200 euros.

[PawGo]

They are almost the same, but model T has bigger memory, bigger screen and it supports more shitcoins.
Yes there are few advantages, but nothing major that would be wort paying over 200 euros.

And Model T by default creates seeds with 12 words, you need to install extra software to be able to force it to create 24 words. But it has USB C!

And honestly speaking I do not really understand why one support other coins than other. At the end it should depend on software wallet, no? I find a bit misleading fact that hardware wallet supports XXXX coins while Trezor Suite (dedicated software from the producer) just a few.
It is similar to steel plate producers who tell us to use it as a seed storage saying that "it supports BIP39 seeds" - come on, it is just a piece of metal!

[SFR10]

But the new site states that Trezor has over 1 million customers.

Considering that Ledger had 5M+ sales already, I was expecting the number to be a bit higher for Trezor, but looks like I was wrong.

- According to their blog announcement, the Knowledgebase section is also new.

Is it just me or does it look similar to what ledger did with their "academy" section?
It appears that the number of "authorized resellers" has been slightly reduced!

[Pmalek]

The weird side is that the compare page^[1] will make u more likely to buy a Trezor Model One than a Trezor Model T since the features are almost the same.

I guess it depends on each individual person and their needs. Model T has a bigger color touchscreen while you have to work the two buttons on the Model One for all your actions. The number of supported altcoins is of less significance to me at least.

The biggest security improvement on Model T is that you are entering your PINs and passphrases on the hardware device itself, but on Model One you do it through the software. Trezor's don't have secure elements, and I am not sure how and if this can be exploited in some way. Model T also supports Shamir backups and FIDO2 authentication. Both don't work on Trezor One.

Considering that Ledger had 5M+ sales already, I was expecting the number to be a bit higher for Trezor, but looks like I was wrong.

I knew that Ledger was leading by a mile, but I thought Trezor sold more Model Ts than what the site shows.

Is it just me or does it look similar to what ledger did with their "academy" section?

Everyone is copying everyone when it comes to these Academy or Learn sections.

[dkbit98]

And honestly speaking I do not really understand why one support other coins than other. At the end it should depend on software wallet, no? I find a bit misleading fact that hardware wallet supports XXXX coins while Trezor Suite (dedicated software from the producer) just a few.

I don't care at all about shitcoins they support and Trezor even has Bitcoin-only firmware, I think it is much safer to use like that.
It should be mentioned that only coin people could possibly miss from Trezor One in Monero, that is available on Model T.
Trezor Suite with all it0's flaws is 100x better wallet app than LedgerLive and all other apps in hardware wallets.

Considering that Ledger had 5M+ sales already, I was expecting the number to be a bit higher for Trezor, but looks like I was wrong.

You can add much more people who care about their privacy, and who made their own Trezor DIY hardware wallets.
Everything is available on their github page, you can download, print and order every part, than assemble it on your own.
That is impossible to do with closed source ledger device.

[n0nce]

Considering that Ledger had 5M+ sales already, I was expecting the number to be a bit higher for Trezor, but looks like I was wrong.

You can add much more people who care about their privacy, and who made their own Trezor DIY hardware wallets.
Everything is available on their github page, you can download, print and order every part, than assemble it on your own.
That is impossible to do with closed source ledger device.

Is it that popular to make a DIY Trezor?
While I really appreciate open-source hardware and do think that it significantly increases a hardware wallet's security and the trust therein, I highly doubt that enough people actually use this data to rebuild open-source hardware wallets from scratch, to skew the numbers significantly in any way.

But I'd love to be proven wrong!

[SFR10]

And honestly speaking I do not really understand why one support other coins than other.

On this "blog post ^{[refer to its 3rd paragraph]}" they mentioned it's "due to hardware limitations" and in the following tweets, they're all pointing at having a smaller memory ^{[#1 and #2]}.

I knew that Ledger was leading by a mile, but I thought Trezor sold more Model Ts than what the site shows.

Considering that it has been in the market for roughly 4 years ^{[as opposed to 8 years for the Model One]} only and the fact that it costs three times more than its older brother, I think that's already a good number of sales.

You can add much more people who care about their privacy, and who made their own Trezor DIY hardware wallets.

You have a point, but similar to what @n0nce said earlier, I don't think that's going to reduce the gap in a significant way.

[Pmalek]

Is it that popular to make a DIY Trezor?
I highly doubt that enough people actually use this data to rebuild open-source hardware wallets from scratch, to skew the numbers significantly in any way.

But I'd love to be proven wrong!

I would be surprised if more than 10.000 people have purchased a DIY Trezor. But it would really be cool if we could get its developer to post some real stats.

On this "blog post ^{[refer to its 3rd paragraph]}" they mentioned it's "due to hardware limitations" and in the following tweets, they're all pointing at having a smaller memory ^{[#1 and #2]}.

I guess Cardano and other similarly complex apps won't ever be supported on the old Trezor One unless developers find a way to decrease the codebase to an acceptable level, but without negatively affecting security. It's already been a few months since support was added back in May. It's either not that important and they are focusing on other things, or they just can't do it. 

[dkbit98]

Is it that popular to make a DIY Trezor?
While I really appreciate open-source hardware and do think that it significantly increases a hardware wallet's security and the trust therein, I highly doubt that enough people actually use this data to rebuild open-source hardware wallets from scratch, to skew the numbers significantly in any way.

Yeah it is somehow popular with geeks, but it's certainly not millions of people who are doing this.
Than just look all the wallets that are fork of Trezor, and they are selling millions of devices around the world, one of them is OneKey that is 100% Trezor software clone and it's most popular hardware wallet in China, believe it or not.
There is also PiTrezor DIY Wallet  that is using Trezor code with raspberry pi zero and other similar devices, I even remember some Russian mini-Trezor called Buratino or something like that  
I even heard that someone made Trezor code modification that could work in any ESP32 devices, so sky is the limit...

You have a point, but similar to what @n0nce said earlier, I don't think that's going to reduce the gap in a significant way.

I never said this will close any gap, but I know for sure nobody is going to make ledger DIY device 

[Pmalek]

I even remember some Russian mini-Trezor called Buratino or something like that  

Aren't that those they call mini Trezors? Those weird rectangle-looking small devices that look like they are made from rubber? Unless my memory is fading, it was discovered that those Russian Trezors had bad number generators, it was possible to easily guess the seed phrases, or they used seeds that were already known to the developers. Maybe I am thinking of some other Russian fakes and their name is not Buratino.

[n0nce]

I even remember some Russian mini-Trezor called Buratino or something like that  

Aren't that those they call mini Trezors? Those weird rectangle-looking small devices that look like they are made from rubber? Unless my memory is fading, it was discovered that those Russian Trezors had bad number generators, it was possible to easily guess the seed phrases, or they used seeds that were already known to the developers. Maybe I am thinking of some other Russian fakes and their name is not Buratino.

They were Russian? In my memory, fake devices from either Trezor or Ledger, with weak crypto, came from China.
I can only find Trezor's blog article from 2018 about this, though: https://blog.trezor.io/psa-non-genuine-trezor-devices-979b64e359a7

Maybe fake Trezors were from Russia and fake Ledger from China?

[Pmalek]

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I finally managed to find the original thread where I first read about those rubber-looking chew toys > Trezor Wallet [Fakes]- To Be Aware Of.

After searching a bit more, I found dkbit98's post where he mentioned the predictable nature of the generated seed phrases.   

Warning for everyone that new fake Trezor devices showed up recently in Russian marketplaces, and they should be considered as malicious!
Scammers are probably using current situation that Trezor is not shipping their devices to Russia and Ukraine at the moment. 

Few days ago Trezor released one interesting blog article with recommendations for purchasing hardware wallets, with well known things like detecting tampering, tamper evident seals, firmware checks, device cases inspection, packaging improvements, software improvements, hardware component bonding. etc.
One thing that got my attention was part of the article that mentions new fake and modified Trezor devices appeared recently and they are mostly sold in Russian marketplaces.
This devices had a bootloader that was not released, vendor was unofficial and many devices sold on this marketplaces displayed a message when trying to sign a transaction:

Code:

-26: non-mandatory-script-verify-flag (Signature must be zero for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG operation)

Firmware updated would show success message, but malicious firmware would remain on device, some functions like Shamir backup were not functioning on this devices, seed words generated by fake devices were predictable or predefined, passphrase function was also modified!
Trezor Model T was mostly affected by this, with some internal components had been replaced by malicious actors.
https://blog.trezor.io/stay-safe-shopping-for-hardware-wallets-543f144e3d24

But since those two topics are 2 years apart, we are talking about different devices and manufacturers. No idea where Buratino fits into the whole picture.

[dkbit98]

After searching a bit more, I found dkbit98's post where he mentioned the predictable nature of the generated seed phrases.  

Yes I remember this, but maybe this two cases are not directly connected.
This Buratino company was dealing with some shady bitcoin miners, but nobody knows what intentions they had, maybe they just didn't have enough expertise to make this ''improvements'' with mini-trezor.
 

Maybe fake Trezors were from Russia and fake Ledger from China?

Chinese version would be called Mini-ledger, but original ledger is also coming from China and they only partially assemble it in some French village
You and me can start a company and sell Trezors with different name, it would not be fake if we brand it with different name and call it something like Vault or Treasure.
We can even include our own secure element to make it more ''secure''.