A disheartening true life winning story

[noormcs5]

what a bizarre and unusual case
lotteries make a lot of money, why they'd refuse to pay? would totally break confidence for future games.

let's hope justice stays in the side of the guy who won...

Well. lotteries do not make a lot of money. In my experience, lotteries make you lose a lot of money as it's too hard to win in the lottery. Secondly, how unfortunate is it that you won something in lottery and the gambling house does not let you withdraw your money?

Deception and fraud are quite common in national lotteries, since the system is not transparent and closed, that is, there is a temptation for manipulation in this area, it may also turn out that the winners actually represented may be just figureheads, and this is of course sad.

You are right as in most of the lotteries, no real person is declared as a winner. The decision or selection of the inners in lotteries are never transparent. They are done hiddenly and in most of the cases, the near and dear ones are nominated as winners and the prize money remains with the person who initiated or arranged the lottery.

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[EarnOnVictor]

If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.

Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?

There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.

But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.

You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.

[judeafante]

If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.

Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?

There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.

But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.

You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.

Even if the regulator side with the lottery people will lose their trust in that company, and the court will eventually prevail and make that company pay, gambling establishments and sites thrive on trust if they lose the trust of the betting public they will cease to exist, so if they refuse to pay they get the wrath of the betting public and that's the end of their company.

[freedomgo]

Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?

[darkangel11]

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

If he was offered so much money by the casino so that he wouldn't go to court, it means they recognize his win and admit to an error on their behalf. Why not give him all the money that he won? IMO the reason for that is they were trying to cheat him. They blamed it all on a convenient technical error thinking he'd walk away, but since he was fighting they gave him some money. Losing 30k is much better than losing 169.

I'm sure that if he keeps pushing the offers will go up. They're ready to pay at least half of the money before going to court.

[Lanatsa]

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

If he was offered so much money by the casino so that he wouldn't go to court, it means they recognize his win and admit to an error on their behalf. Why not give him all the money that he won? IMO the reason for that is they were trying to cheat him. They blamed it all on a convenient technical error thinking he'd walk away, but since he was fighting they gave him some money. Losing 30k is much better than losing 169.

I'm sure that if he keeps pushing the offers will go up. They're ready to pay at least half of the money before going to court.

This is true which it is really just a solid indication that you are on the right path on fighting for your right on getting your full winnings.Dont let them able to pay out some small amount for the settlement.

It do really sucks when you do experience on holded or locked up funds or withdrawals in case you do win big for some reasoning which you dont even know on what you had done specially if you do able to

hit those numbers legally or on a fair way.If they do refuse to pay and if its a significant amount then it wont really be that a waste on putting it into some legal action.
You should fight on what you do own or had win up.

[Finestream]

I think he will win it. The fact that the company is offering him money means there is legitimacy in his claim, there must be proofs of his win that's why he won't budge at the offers given to him. Now, the gambling company will have more problems after he wins this case.
Reputation is first. Instead of just paying the man, they took the risk of going this far so now their business will be in danger too.

I have not experienced this yet and I wish to never do.
Why do they do it? Well, when it's about the money anything can be done. But sadly, in this case, they are not looking at long term profits.

The gambler should pursue this case because it’s very obvious that the casino has a big lapse on this. I guess as long as money is involved, there are always cheating that are bound to happen, when it’s not supposed to. Otherwise, if the gambler quit, he’ll eventually lose all his winnings, but if he will pursue the case, he will definitely win in the end.

[Marykeller]

Please can you include the link for the authenticity of this information. I will also like to read the news in full.

I don't know where he gets the information on the case from but this case sounds similar to what happened in one of the African cities "Lagos, Nigeria". The court case of a Nigerian guy that won the sum of a 72million naira after playing one of its games ''Green lottery" in 2019. Since then the lottery company refused to pay him because of alleged engaged irregularities. And he charged them in court
Link to similar case information.
Why we didn't pay the lottery winner

[Sandra_hakeem]

If the casino is licensed, then he'll have every advantage over 'em but If not, that's fucked up man..... believe me, those greedy Hamsters will just cut a huge piece of cake outta the lump-sum .... Have you cared to ask: why was he offered $23,000 and $29,000 respectively? From a mere casino branch? Reason out....if they had their database wiped, it should be a widely reached international damage (from the control office wherever it is), so how does a single database for a branch casino gets wiped? When payments of won bets are sents from the control office, so how come they didn't receive the increase in funds to pay up the dude?

Look, ......I don't participating in falsified, un-acertain discussions, whatever..... Is either the branch casino received the funds and refuse to payout -- giving out that little cut portion just to see if he'd give up on the case so they'd claim the rest OR, the whole story is a BLATANT LIE.

Sandra 💇

[DoublerHunter]

Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?

^Local lottery will not let this happen and that is right, this is a rare case that I have heard in a lottery based on an offline casino.
There are too many possible reasons why he did not claim his prize and probably how about the ticket that he has, it should be there is no scratch and this should not be crumpled. Bu if that is a licensed casino, there is no reason they did not pay winners, because they have a reputation to care not unless they are ready to shut down their business.

[EarnOnVictor]

If it’s already with the court, I’m sure they will handle this properly and address the issue. Not paying because of the system problem of the company is not a good excuse, most probably there is something more behind that and they have to provide more documents to the court to prove it. I’m also wondering if this story is true.

Of course, the story is true. How I wish you know me, I will never share an untrue story. Also, the company is complacent and liable to the criminal charges filed against them, and there is no way they would be exonerated because no company would operate at that large scale without having a backup. So they are lying.

The reason is because of the company's poor system.

Can you share the link to that news here so we can know more details?

There is no poor system here as Green lotto is not a small company, they only want to steal his money. Green lotto is the name of the company and the link to the story has been updated on the first page.

How bad it is when you finally get what you want and suddenly you won't get it due to those scammers that are not fair to their players. These kinds of people should be punish and make them pay twice or multiple times the money they planning to steal from this man who might be losing the game all this time and finally won the best time of his life.

But that can be difficult to do, especially if the casino has a relationship with the local regulator, so the regulator will not take the case seriously and will not even allow the person to withdraw the winnings in full. Maybe the regulators will advise the person to take the money the casino has suggested and leave the case, but I don't know. Anything can happen regarding money. Maybe only the people in the regulators can pressure the casino to pay out the winnings in full and for that, these people have to have the integrity to uphold justice.

You have a very good point there, politics is everywhere, so I don't trust regulators and police in some countries. My country is a good example of that, the police and the gambling board that made the company offer the guy some amount knew that he won the bet but tried to cover it up. And if it were to be a good country, the gambling board must have helped the guy get his money and even sanction the gambling company.

Even if the regulator side with the lottery people will lose their trust in that company

You have a very good point here. The damage has been done to the company already, no one would trust them anymore. And the good news is that there are alternatives, so they will lose more customers as the guy even wins the case in court.

Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void.

This is not rarely happening in my country, a state governor recently give a stern warning to all gambling companies in his state due to similar cases. But the only difference is that the money in most cases is often small to be published/referenced.

If the casino is licensed, then he'll have every advantage over 'em but If not, that's fucked up man

This is beyond being licenced or not, they are liable since they run the lottery inside a country. It might not be at the jurisdiction of the National Gambling Board if it is not licenced, but the reach of the court is beyond that.

[panganib999]

Last week, I read a painful story from a local newspaper where a huge amount was legally won but the lottery company is refusing to pay.

In USD conversion, the guy bet about $690 and won about $169,000, but the gambling company refused to pay him, claiming that his record of the winning has been wiped off from their database as a result of a technical error.

The first step he took was to report at a police station where he was offered about $23,000 by the company which he rejected. He later reported at the National Gambling Board where he was offered about $29,900 which he also rejected. It's at this time he charged them to court with three counts charges of Conspiracy, Obtaining money under false pretence and Stealing.

The case is on, and I hope he wins. The guy is lucky enough to have money to file charges and this is happening within his reach/jurisdiction.

This is a very sad story to me, which is why I ask these four questions:

Can this guy win the case?
Has anyone experienced not being paid for their winning for real?
Why would they take your big money but refuses to pay big winning?
What could be done to curb this cheating permanently in gambling?

For those requesting the link, here it is: https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/

Honestly, as long as the court and the jurisdiction isn't rigged the plaintiff will have a very high chance of winning and possibly earning more than the prize he's supposed to get, given the fact that multiple grievances are put on the name of this website. Goes to show how important it is to know your rights and what you even as an individual is capable of. I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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I could tell you so much about the people in this country losing potential millions of dollars against large corporations and/or businesses just because they are afraid of the power that these companies have, not being aware or insecure about their very own abilities.

First, i will like you to understand that in this current world we live in, if you have no money, you gat no rights, i dont know about your country but this is simply how it is in my country currently, you need money to be able to have a say, almost everything resolves around money - No wonder the Holy book categorically made it clear that money is a defense.

So this is to tell you that this people you think loose their potential millions of dollars to large cooperation do not or did not do so out of fear, they simply lacked what it takes to get hold of what rightfully belongs to them, they need money to start a case with the supposed large cooperation, they need money to hire a good lawyer, they need money to sort out all the miscellaneous bills that might arise in the process of the case, and this might be someone that's not been able to feed well or even wear good clothes....
This is the major reason why most easily give up what is rightfully theirs when the power holding it refuses to give it to them willingly.

[Smartvirus]

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

[n0ne]

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

[swogerino]

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

This is a sad story as we said but I bet that you don't see a case like this in US,Germany or Italy to name a few countries where people win the lottery,yeah the huge national lottery and they don't get the money.I worked in Italy in the early 2000 and there was this super popular game called "Super Ena Lotto" if I remember it correctly where you had to find 13 games correctly (not correct scores,just correct outcome) between Serie A and Serie B,of course most of the games being from Serie A and a few persons won it really big because the odd for 13 games were really big and they were being shown on TV and they were like some gurus of gambling.The same with Powerball in Australia.

What I want to say is that stories like this do not happen usually in Western developed countries running by the rule of law.

[Cookdata]

Surely this situation just rarely happen, we don't even know if the lottery is telling the truth that there is indeed some technical malfunctions that is why the winner's ticket will be considered as void. But that is just too unreasonable especially when winning the lottery doesn't happen to someone that often, in fact, you might win a lottery but that will happen once in your whole lifetime. Anyway, what's the update of this case?

To be honest at least and from my understanding, machines don’t lie, for every output, there should be an input that was already sent in the first place, it is obvious that the lottery company is lying and using that excuse to cover their tracks not to pay the player.
I’m very familiar with Lotto machine and I have seen how it operates, the fact that the lotto machine printed out his ticket, there was something that was processed, why did the machine didn’t failed to record other transactions, it was only the won tickets that was omitted in their record.

They did deliberately removed that number from the machine probably before he came back because they as the operator know this result when it is announced and for them to be pleading with the winner to accept 27% of his winnings shows they are trying to bury the matter at all cost but good that he didn’t accept the cut.

[dunfida]

The question that I often the case with such scenarios is that, if it were a lose, would they have given the customer any refund, the answer is no. A sure should there be any truth to the development of fault by there system, there are those that lost there bets and still can't make any claims on refunds. Hence, its only right that the company pays the customer what he rightly won and stop trying to cut corners. Gambling is a probable stake where you either win or lose and not try to compensate.
Its good his got funds enough to push the case to court and I hope its just enough to sustain the case as long as it would last. Its within his rights and I think he would win.

Yeah, there is some issue. The problem have made the authorities bargain the winning amount settlement at different levels. Now, victim have taken it to the court. Here too he might be offered with certain amount to end the case. I don't know how fair the hearings will take place. This is really bad winning big and unable to get the winning amount.

I cant really blame myself on getting paranoid or having those impressions that things turns out to be always shit and unfair for those who doesnt have money that could settle out or taking up advantage from it.

We know on how corruption and injustice does work where even those complainants or victims are the ones should be clearly be helped but ending up on being dismissed or they dont have sufficient evidence or
make things amicable or something like that.
This is the truth into those things which does have that financial capacity which we could really do whatever we do have in mind or simply using up money
to take advantage.

[nullama]

We might know later how this case ends up, but I think he might win it.

Also I think there's a possibility that the company actually had a technical issue, as those things happen, specially at small companies. Although it could well be that they don't want to pay the full sum and that's why they wanted to settle for way less.

At the end of the day, casino operators aren't very happy paying big prizes, they just want to take your money, so they will do anything they can to do so.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I agree with most of the comments, the lottery company has to pay him. If they have had a problem with the database, it is their problem.

I hope we will have updates on this case, which according to the article will have the next hearing on 21 November. The thing is that trials can take a long time.

But if I were him, I would go all the way. I'm sure they haven't given the money back to the people who didn't win because they had a problem with the database, so in this case, whoever won, should get paid.