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And scaring Newbies with trigger happy tagging makes Bitcointalk look very hostile.
This is very accurate. When my rank was still Newbie, I looked at this forum as very hostile at the beginning, especially when I read posts in Meta and reputations and saw how some individuals were behaving like gods. It took me a while to start posting in the forum regularly. I think we should at times be willing to adjust when it comes to feedback, especially if someone genuinely comes around seeking for forgiveness, especially for offenses that mods can handle like spamming.
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Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff. I know it's not easy for someone to be a Moderator. I also believe moderators maintain many things, including how they will react to posts. I rarely see them tagging anyone. Moderators do their job with a lot of responsibility. But, When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. These DT members rule the forum.
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And as I said, I had excluded JollyGood from my trust list well before I simply wiped it altogether, so hopefully no one here is taking my words to be a ringing endorsement for him. I think his heart is in the right place and he's trying to do a good thing for the forum, but he's using the wrong tool to do it with. Well said. I've discussed his sent feedback a few times, but the result was he stopped trusting my judgement. So it seems like a waste of time now. Is there any way to see exact statistics for number of tags by each individual member? I can't find back the link, but didn't BPIP keep track of that back in the days (maybe before theymos added pagination to the feedback page)? When my rank was still Newbie, I looked at this forum as very hostile at the beginning, especially when I read posts in Meta and reputations and saw how some individuals were behaving like gods. And then, a few years later, some of those users start doing the exact same thing to others. Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff. No it's not. When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. No it's not. Does butthurt turn you into a drama queen now?
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And as I said, I had excluded JollyGood from my trust list well before I simply wiped it altogether, so hopefully no one here is taking my words to be a ringing endorsement for him. I think his heart is in the right place and he's trying to do a good thing for the forum, but he's using the wrong tool to do it with. Well said. I've discussed his sent feedback a few times, but the result was he stopped trusting my judgement. So it seems like a waste of time now. Do you think most of the users who have him in their trust list don't suggest anything that will be against JollyGood or don't write any constrictive opinion about him because they think they will find themselves in his distrust list? Losing a DT vote with earning a negative vote (JollyGood will put you in his distrust list always) means the users are going to lose 2 voting points. For people who seek DT position, losing 2 points is a lot for them. In another thread I was mentioning the users who have him in their trust list, but I am not sure how many of them really noticed it. I did not see many of them (except two I guess) to share their opinions yet. I can not quote from the topic but here they are again. JollyGood's judgement is Trusted by: Vod, DiamondCardz, peloso, Coinfan, Lauda, digit, Timelord2067, jeremypwr, allyouracid, stompix, Avirunes, dopey, Gianluca95, SiNeReiNZzz, DaveF, owlcatz, examplens, nutildah, thandie, LFC_Bitcoin, s0nix, TwitchySeal, vlom, JaredKaragen, Jemzx00, Slow death, IconFirm, johnsmithx, blurryeyed, kurian, igehhh, CryptopreneurBrainboss, mosprognoz, KTChampions, icopress, indah rezqi, invincible49, logfiles, tvplus006, witcher_sense, darcon_pr, The Cryptovator, lovesmayfamilis, cryptobenn, TalkStar, Trade Runner, bitbottrader, zasad@, Rikafip, protrader786, FatFork, decodx, CryptoYar, villain_Mr.Burns, PaperWallet, wagmi. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.msg61198614#msg61198614I noticed you and dkbit98 also mentioned them. It would be nice to hear from them. Why they think JollyGood is doing write thing and how don't they see the misuse he is spreading all over. Clearly JollyGood's basics to add-remove members in his trust list is how other support or oppose his feedback leaving behavior where the basic of adding and removing a member is how accurate they are in leaving their feedback to others. His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.
This is a very serious diagnosis you are making, you sound like a psychiatrist. I realize I was too hard on wording him. It's updated and I shouldn't use such harsh word.
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November 02, 2022, 02:46:50 PM |
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Do you think most of the users who have him in their trust list don't suggest anything that will be against JollyGood or don't write any constrictive opinion about him because they think they will find themselves in his distrust list? Losing a DT vote with earning a negative vote (JollyGood will put you in his distrust list always) means the users are going to lose 2 voting points. For people who seek DT position, losing 2 points is a lot for them. I can't say why people do or don't do things, but if you include someone hoping for backscratching, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. In another thread I was mentioning the users who have him in their trust list, but I am not sure how many of them really noticed it. I assume most people don't use a notification system, so mentioning them doesn't mean they see it. I did not see many of them (except two I guess) to share their opinions yet. For what it's worth, 4 people removed JollyGood from their Trust list in the past week:
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Since my name keeps popping up here, I assume these are taken from last weekend's trust dump. My trust list currently contains: ~JollyGood Thanks! In another thread I was mentioning the users who have him in their trust list, but I am not sure how many of them really noticed it. I use one so yes, I noticed...
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Well said. I've discussed his sent feedback a few times, but the result was he stopped trusting my judgement. So it seems like a waste of time now. Maybe, but we should keep reminding everyone what JG is doing all the time. Some people only look on good things he done in past, and ignoring this abuse and manipulations he is doing all the time. He is calling other members a scammer without a single proof they scammed anyone, it's only in his imagination. I can't find back the link, but didn't BPIP keep track of that back in the days (maybe before theymos added pagination to the feedback page)? I can't remember how exactly this looked before, but I hoped you have some magical robotic skills to show this in same arranged table. Maybe someone could create a patch for this, it would be interesting to monitor this information for changes. I noticed you and dkbit98 also mentioned them. It would be nice to hear from them. Why they think JollyGood is doing write thing and how don't they see the misuse he is spreading all over. Yes I did mention them, and there are few of my good local board members on that list, so I will have to talk with them in private to reconsider their decision. Easy recipe to get on JG blacklist and be ignored is to say something that he doesn't like, and in opposite situation you will be rewarded with merits from him.
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November 02, 2022, 05:00:58 PM Last edit: November 02, 2022, 06:08:27 PM by yahoo62278 Merited by DaveF (2), JollyGood (1), Iroh (1) |
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I read this thread and I feel like people are trying to force a user into their way of thinking. Conform to our thinking or we will keep trying to crucify you. I don't have JG on my trust list, hell I don't have anyone on my list as I wiped it, but even prior to wiping I didn't have him on my trust list or my ~ list. It's pretty simple and everyone is trying to make it a big deal.
If you trust someone then put them on your fucking list. If you don't then ~. If you could care less, wipe your fucking list and move on. Quit being drama queens.
It shouldn't be all about everyone thinking the same way. Most are going to have disagreements about this and that and there's a good amount that will agree on alot of topics, but if you don't agree with someone's opinion you shouldn't be trying to forcefeed your opinion onto them.
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I read this thread and I feel like people are trying to force a user into their way of thinking. Conform to our thinking or we will keep trying to crucify you. I don't have JG on my trust list, hell I don't have anyone on my list as I wiped it, but even prior to wiping I didn't have him on my trust list or my ~ list. It's pretty simple and everyone is trying to make it a big deal.
If you trust someone then put them on your fucking list. If you don't then ~. If you could care less, wipe your fucking list and move on. Quit being drama queens.
It shouldn't be all about everyone thinking the same way. Most are going to have disagreements about this and that and there's a good amount that will agree on alot of topics, but if you don't agree with someone's opinion you shouldn't be trying to forcefeed your opinion onto them.
I agree... However, after reviewing his feedbacks again after quite some time, I don't agree with them. I wasn't pushed to change it, I just did my own research and did what I thought was right. (I don't have time for crap like this either, which is why I'm blacklisted from dt1 on purpose, however I do value my list and feedbacks, even yours, @yahoo).
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^ Since I get notifications from this thread, perhaps it's time I express my opinion and explain why I have JG on my trust list. I've had a serious PM with JG and we've discussed both personal and forum business, and he's someone I trust based on our conversations. Whenever he goes overboard with his feedback, I speak up and explain why. I'm not not p*ssy, and I'm not sure I've used -ve since I became DT1. I'm not on his trust list, so I'm not sure where the backscratching is coming from. I've agreed/disagreed with Jollygood feedback in the past, and I've also told him my intentions; he's someone who listens but is difficult to persuade; JG may be very extreme in his feedback, which I don't like, but he's not a trade risk member, which is why I have him on my trust list. I read this thread and I feel like people are trying to force a user into their way of thinking. Conform to our thinking or we will keep trying to crucify you. I don't have JG on my trust list, hell I don't have anyone on my list as I wiped it, but even prior to wiping I didn't have him on my trust list or my ~ list. It's pretty simple and everyone is trying to make it a big deal. The sentiment is embarrassing. N/B: Beware of liars with hidden agenda! My trust feedbacks and trust list doesn't look like someone who's abusing or have no knowledge of the system.
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JG may be very extreme in his feedback, which I don't like, but he's not a trade risk member, which is why I have him on my trust list.
This is wrong idea of your understanding for the DefaultTrust system 😉 Trade risk reflects on the trust feedback page. Example: Before doing a trade I visit your trust page and try to find if you have any previous trade history to feel confident about the trade I am about to do with you. Trust list to vote/devote members based on the accuracy of leaving feedback to others. The list has very little relation with doing a trade with other members or to yourself. Example: In your trust list, someone without ~ leaves accurate feedback and with ~ leaves inaccurate feedback to others. Easy recipe to get on JG blacklist and be ignored is to say something that he doesn't like, and in opposite situation you will be rewarded with merits from him.
I noticed it in many occasions that's how he motivate others to continue responding him and continue the conversations. Recently, he is leaving notes (self notes in a neutral feedback form of-course) for others as spammers because of low value posts or whatever things he see there. But he is fine to quote older posts, I call them dead topics (Quote from: Ratimov on October 13, 2022, 02:47:35 AM, Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on October 14, 2022, 06:53:50 AM, Quote from: Ratimov on October 16, 2022, 05:20:08 PM, Quote from: yahoo62278 on October 16, 2022, 10:54:08 PM and of course the last quote was his recent from another user) and starts a re-conversation with the same repeating words that were told by others or by himself already. What kind of quality post are these? LOL
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I assume most people don't use a notification system, so mentioning them doesn't mean they see it.
I actually use a Telegram notification bot, but since I'm rarely active here, recently, I didn't put much focus on the notifications. It was just now that I saw a couple of new notifications. I put Jolly in my trust list quite some time ago – back then, he was actively exposing scammers. Sometimes a bit over the top, but I felt he generally did a good job. I'll go through the information presented in this thread in the next days and see if I see any need to reconsider. I have never had an issue in speaking with Jollygood. Every time we have interacted via pm, he has been nothing but respectful towards me, even if it's on a matter we might disagree upon. So far, this pretty much aligns with my experience. But as indicated, I can't say much about recent times (yet). We don't all have to like each other, but we should respect others' opinions and try to get along. If we cannot, use the ignore button.
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Seems I'm late to the party, huh. Why's everyone just trying to be pragmatic ?? ...and I'm seeing a huge division in-between. Personally, I think JG is paving - too far apart from the DTs' Coast..... but, that doesn't make him wrong; just like I'd not accept the fact that I'm wrong in saying that 'JG' is rolling over his coast If anyone would say NAY. He's been given free-hands to rule over his discretions along time ago, ehhhhh ......but you see....JG, you just need to 'tender a lil justice with mercy'. I understand that it's your .... yunno, jurisdiction - per say - but sometimes you might over react and you don't know..... You surprised? No you shouldn't.. anything is possible; maybe, anything could cause an overreaction - weariness from the day's job, transfered aggressions, depression, a totally different perception when it comes to default-trusting OR someone could even decide to tag users to get FAMOUS, sounds weird right? what a level of callowness that would be. JG has proven his actions to be genuine from those ref links but; it seems he played rugby 🏉 on the harmiside, in Massachusetts so he's a kinda tough, heavily built guy yunno.lol.. please don't tag me . Seriously, this is how I'll conclude: if I were JG, I'll quickly observe that alot of reputables -- just like myself -- are somewhat against my sternness ( reasons are not because they're right or because I'm wrong) but for the fact that it makes everyone else uncomfortable (as I feel), I'd never change my focal preference, but I'll change my tagging habits since 1,2,4,6,8,15 people think I'm overreacting, which won't yield anything better than getting everyone used to the Gaddamnnn tags (as loyce said). It might even get to a point when it ain't looked at, as a warning. I don't have a trust list yet and I'm not sure I'm in anyone's trust list (the heck gives a f***?)? but I have people I can trust in here. Some peeps just need a few more days to keep it together, some don't think it's necessary. Sandra 💇
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he's not a trade risk member, which is why I have him on my trust list. Please read my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system: Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments. Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).
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Hey How about you both stop trying to own the system and start respecting people's opinions and stop trying to push your agenda on everyone who added JG to their trust list simply because you disagree with his feedbacks? and perhaps both of you should refrain from lecturing me on trust lists and feedbacks. If you didn't understand my previous comment, you should have politely requested some in-depth explanations. This is wrong idea of your understanding for the DefaultTrust system 😉 Trade risk reflects on the trust feedback page. Example: Before doing a trade I visit your trust page and try to find if you have any previous trade history to feel confident about the trade I am about to do with you. Trust list to vote/devote members based on the accuracy of leaving feedback to others. The list has very little relation with doing a trade with other members or to yourself. Example: In your trust list, someone without ~ leaves accurate feedback and with ~ leaves inaccurate feedback to others. His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.
Since you are his psychiatrist, why not tell us more so that the community will reconsider their opinions of him or donate to his mental illness? This does not appear be about his feedbacks, but rather an attempt to persuade the community to join your personal agenda against JollyGood. If you believe any of his feedbacks are an abuse of the system, why not quote them out and let the community discuss it, or send him a PM, as I have done in the past with positive results. Everyone makes errors.
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I'm not sure I've used -ve since I became DT1. ^^^^^ ^^^ but he's not a trade risk member, which is why I have him on my trust list.
You don't know what is trust list and you managed to be DT1 member. This proves DT system is a joke.
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You have exploded like a volcano and it's better not to talk about it with you since you are denying to understand the system. It's frustrating to see there are still many out there who still do not understand the system. Perhaps as a community we failed completely and the work from theymos gone down in vain. I don't know if I have you in my TrustList or not but since you really do not understand how it works then you deserve to have the negative vote. I will recheck after few months to see if you have improved but right now your understanding of DefaultTrust system is wrong. It's not about own the system it's about right use of the system. Hey How about you both stop trying to own the system and start respecting people's opinions and stop trying to push your agenda on everyone who added JG to their trust list simply because you disagree with his feedbacks?
It's better to quote you what my main man suggested everyone when he had the idea of redoing the DefaultTrust system. if someone on DT1 is doing something stupid, you can ask other DT1 members to distrust them. His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.
Since you are his psychiatrist The part with mental illness has changed yesterday. Sad to see you even missed to quote it from the topic post itself. His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others either it's with a negative feedback or neutral feedback (seems a new strategy for him because others are started to talk against the negatives recently*) or even in a dead conversation.
This is a very serious diagnosis you are making, you sound like a psychiatrist. I realize I was too hard on wording him. It's updated and I shouldn't use such harsh word. The reason for your explosion does not make any sense though. Sorry, if there were any hurt feeling.
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November 03, 2022, 11:37:50 AM |
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Hey How about you both stop trying to own the system and start respecting people's opinions and stop trying to push your agenda on everyone who added JG to their trust list simply because you disagree with his feedbacks? and perhaps both of you should refrain from lecturing me on trust lists and feedbacks. If you didn't understand my previous comment, you should have politely requested some in-depth explanations. Your previous comment looked very clear to me, but feel free to share your in-depth explanations. I couldn't care less who you include or exclude, but I do care if it's for the wrong reasons. As far as the "lecturing" goes: read what theymos has to say about it: LoyceV's guide seems reasonable. ~ Trust lists
- If you find someone who has sent accurate trust actions and has no inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions, add them to your trust list. Inclusion in trust lists is a more a mark of useful contributions than your trust in them, though at least a little trust is necessary. - If you think that someone is not using the trust system appropriately, or if you disagree with some of their subjective determinations, exclude them from your trust list. If bad outcomes happen in DT, this is partly the fault/responsibility of: the bad actors themselves; DT1 who include the bad-actors; DT1 who don't exclude the bad-actors; DT1 who include or don't exclude failing DT1; anyone else who includes failing DT1. While it's best to spend some time trying to fix things at the lower levels before escalating it, it's reasonable to complain to any of those people, as I did regarding Lauda that one time, for example. (Of course, the system itself is probably also imperfect, and that's on me.)
This proves DT system is a joke. The joke's on the users who included him:
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why was this thread turned into an explanation (or even an excuse) of why someone put someone on the trust or distrust list?
Considering that we mostly don't know each other personally, is the trust list crucial for judging our personalities?
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When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. No it's not. Does butthurt turn you into a drama queen now? I don't think it's possible. Don't miss judge my Gender, please. I don't have anything to lose here. No need to create drama.
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