Croatian League - Hrvatska nogometna liga

[slackovic]

Yes, Hajduk once again won the consolation prize, the Croatian Cup, while they can only dream of the title of national champion.
It's unbelievable to me that instead of enjoying football, we have to talk about the fans and the city was almost a war zone with a lot of police.
Dinamo will continue to dominate the Croatian league for years to come, and what interests me now is how much our clubs can do in the upcoming qualifications for European club competitions.
I think that only Dinamo has a real chance to get into the group stage of a European competition again.

Yeah, the dalmatian people are quite hearty people. Hajduk's games in the national league often have better atmosphere than Dinamo's European games. But that doesn't justify destruction and vandalism while celebrating a victory. And behavior of Hajduk's best player Livaja only enhance the violent behavior of their fans.

Anyhow, congrats to Hajduk on winning the cup and I hope they won't lose their first European qualification game.

[cryptofrka]

And behavior of Hajduk's best player Livaja only enhance the violent behavior of their fans.

Truly amazing, I hope he gets a 10 games suspension.
An expected outcome, Šibenik is truly horrible. All the more reason not to act like idiots when you win a game and claim the trophy.

Quite disappointed in Hajduk - but that's actually normal in the last 10 years or so.

[FatFork]

Quite disappointed in Hajduk - but that's actually normal in the last 10 years or so.

It's always disappointing to see a team consistently fall short of their ultimate goal, but winning the Croatian Cup is still an accomplishment worth celebrating. And, yeah! It's unfortunate that the behavior of some players and fans detracted from the joy of the occasion.

As for Dinamo's continued dominance, I believe it's important to have a competitive league with multiple teams vying for the title. So hopefully, other clubs will step up and challenge Dinamo in the future.

[Daniel91]

Quite disappointed in Hajduk - but that's actually normal in the last 10 years or so.

It's always disappointing to see a team consistently fall short of their ultimate goal, but winning the Croatian Cup is still an accomplishment worth celebrating. And, yeah! It's unfortunate that the behavior of some players and fans detracted from the joy of the occasion.

As for Dinamo's continued dominance, I believe it's important to have a competitive league with multiple teams vying for the title. So hopefully, other clubs will step up and challenge Dinamo in the future.

This will not happen in the near future. Dinamo is organizationally and financially far stronger than any other Croatian club at the moment, so other clubs in recent years have a chance just to try to win the Croatian Cup.
Of course, it would be much better if we had an tied league because then the interest of the spectators in the Croatian league would increase, which would attract sponsors and money, but at the moment I don't see that happening.
However, Ademi and Orsic left Dinamo, Livakovic and Petkovic will probably leave soon, and it will be interesting to see if Dinamo will continue to be this dominant in the Croatian league next season.

[slackovic]

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However, Ademi and Orsic left Dinamo, Livakovic and Petkovic will probably leave soon, and it will be interesting to see if Dinamo will continue to be this dominant in the Croatian league next season.

I'm sure that Dinamo's scouts and the whole management will sign some players that will make a difference in the next season(s). I didn't follow if there is anyone yet on the list, but they will have to hurry because the European qualifications will start in two months and new players have to find a chemistry with the rest of the team.

[Daniel91]

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However, Ademi and Orsic left Dinamo, Livakovic and Petkovic will probably leave soon, and it will be interesting to see if Dinamo will continue to be this dominant in the Croatian league next season.

I'm sure that Dinamo's scouts and the whole management will sign some players that will make a difference in the next season(s). I didn't follow if there is anyone yet on the list, but they will have to hurry because the European qualifications will start in two months and new players have to find a chemistry with the rest of the team.

I must admit that so far I have not seen big football names coming to Dinamo this summer, but that is why it seems that the key and best players of Dinamo could leave the club this summer.
It seems that the new Trabzonspor coach and former Dinamo coach Bjelica wants to bring Petkovic and even Orsic to his new club.
Livakovic is currently also linked with the Turkish league and even with a move to Saudi Arabia.
With the earlier departures of Ademi and Orsic, it must be admitted that Dinamo is significantly weakened and that it urgently needs to bring in new and quality players if it wants to be competitive again in European competitions.
Domination in the Croatian league goes without saying, but Dinamo lives financially from European club competitions, not from the domestic league.

[Lucius]

I must admit that so far I have not seen big football names coming to Dinamo this summer, but that is why it seems that the key and best players of Dinamo could leave the club this summer.
~snip~

And when did you see that Dinamo ZG was bringing big football names? Their way of doing business is to buy relatively unknown players for relatively little money, and then if they are lucky, they sell them for at least ten times the price in a few years. What is the "problem" now is that there is no longer a chief operative who had a good nose for work, and regardless of the reputation they have, the young forces of Dinamo are far from being successful businessmen.

In addition, internal calculations are still ongoing in the club, and as I hear, several other employees were recently fired because they were identified as players of the former boss.

[slackovic]

And when did you see that Dinamo ZG was bringing big football names? Their way of doing business is to buy relatively unknown players for relatively little money, and then if they are lucky, they sell them for at least ten times the price in a few years. What is the "problem" now is that there is no longer a chief operative who had a good nose for work, and regardless of the reputation they have, the young forces of Dinamo are far from being successful businessmen.

In addition, internal calculations are still ongoing in the club, and as I hear, several other employees were recently fired because they were identified as players of the former boss.

I'm not following news about new players coming to Dinamo, bit you are not wrong. Their last management's way of Work was just as you described it. Buy a potentially good player for small price, let him play and develop and then sell him at a much greater price. Maybe the new management needs some time to get things in order and employ some new scouts to find those potential players. But Dinamo and especially Croatain football can't afford another bad European season because it will fall even further down. But then again, maybe they (Croatain football in general, not Dinamo) belong there...

[Daniel91]

And when did you see that Dinamo ZG was bringing big football names? Their way of doing business is to buy relatively unknown players for relatively little money, and then if they are lucky, they sell them for at least ten times the price in a few years. What is the "problem" now is that there is no longer a chief operative who had a good nose for work, and regardless of the reputation they have, the young forces of Dinamo are far from being successful businessmen.

In addition, internal calculations are still ongoing in the club, and as I hear, several other employees were recently fired because they were identified as players of the former boss.

I'm not following news about new players coming to Dinamo, bit you are not wrong. Their last management's way of Work was just as you described it. Buy a potentially good player for small price, let him play and develop and then sell him at a much greater price. Maybe the new management needs some time to get things in order and employ some new scouts to find those potential players. But Dinamo and especially Croatain football can't afford another bad European season because it will fall even further down. But then again, maybe they (Croatain football in general, not Dinamo) belong there...

OK, by big names, of course, I didn't mean big foreign names, but I was thinking best Croatian players who came to play in Dinamo in recent years,  Petkovic is the best examples of that.
Mamic was the best in such jobs and knew how to recognize every young and talented footballer and bring him to Dinamo, like Eduardo. Of course, he was not right every time, but thanks to him, Dinamo was always stronger than the competition.
It seems to me that the new sports director Šimić doesn't really know how to manage this business because I see that the best football players like Livaković and Petković are leaving Dinamo and I don't see who will replace them.
As for European club competitions, Dinamo will again be the only one with a real chance to win the group stage of a competition, and I give the other Croatian clubs in Europe a minimal chance for that.

[slackovic]

OK, by big names, of course, I didn't mean big foreign names, but I was thinking best Croatian players who came to play in Dinamo in recent years,  Petkovic is the best examples of that.
Mamic was the best in such jobs and knew how to recognize every young and talented footballer and bring him to Dinamo, like Eduardo. Of course, he was not right every time, but thanks to him, Dinamo was always stronger than the competition.
It seems to me that the new sports director Šimić doesn't really know how to manage this business because I see that the best football players like Livaković and Petković are leaving Dinamo and I don't see who will replace them.
As for European club competitions, Dinamo will again be the only one with a real chance to win the group stage of a competition, and I give the other Croatian clubs in Europe a minimal chance for that.

I don't think that Livaković and Petković leaving Dinamo is a result of bad work of the new management. I think that they are leaving because it's probably their last chance to sign for an international club. They are not getting any younger (both are 28 years old) so I think it's their age that made them search for another club.

[Daniel91]

OK, by big names, of course, I didn't mean big foreign names, but I was thinking best Croatian players who came to play in Dinamo in recent years,  Petkovic is the best examples of that.
Mamic was the best in such jobs and knew how to recognize every young and talented footballer and bring him to Dinamo, like Eduardo. Of course, he was not right every time, but thanks to him, Dinamo was always stronger than the competition.
It seems to me that the new sports director Šimić doesn't really know how to manage this business because I see that the best football players like Livaković and Petković are leaving Dinamo and I don't see who will replace them.
As for European club competitions, Dinamo will again be the only one with a real chance to win the group stage of a competition, and I give the other Croatian clubs in Europe a minimal chance for that.

I don't think that Livaković and Petković leaving Dinamo is a result of bad work of the new management. I think that they are leaving because it's probably their last chance to sign for an international club. They are not getting any younger (both are 28 years old) so I think it's their age that made them search for another club.

I didn't say that the new sports director Simic is doing a bad job because of the expected departure of Livakovic and Petkovic, but because he does not bring in new players who could replace them.
As I have already said, Dinamo dominance in the Croatian league will continue, but Dinamo does not survive financially from the Croatian league but from appearances in European Club competitions.
If Dinamo doesn't have a team that will be competitive in Europe, then their European journey will quickly end and the club will be left without the expected income.
UEFA held the first draw for European club competitions, and when I see the possible opponents that Hajduk, Rijeka and Osijek could get already in the third preliminary round of the Conference League, our clubs have almost no chance of advancing to the group stage of the competition. Again, only Dinamo will have a chance for such success, but first they will have to strengthen the team.

[slackovic]

I didn't say that the new sports director Simic is doing a bad job because of the expected departure of Livakovic and Petkovic, but because he does not bring in new players who could replace them.
As I have already said, Dinamo dominance in the Croatian league will continue, but Dinamo does not survive financially from the Croatian league but from appearances in European Club competitions.
If Dinamo doesn't have a team that will be competitive in Europe, then their European journey will quickly end and the club will be left without the expected income.
UEFA held the first draw for European club competitions, and when I see the possible opponents that Hajduk, Rijeka and Osijek could get already in the third preliminary round of the Conference League, our clubs have almost no chance of advancing to the group stage of the competition. Again, only Dinamo will have a chance for such success, but first they will have to strengthen the team.

There is still time to sign some big names, but I agree that there is no information about them in the media. Maybe Dinamo's new management wants to keep signings a secret until they are done. We all are used to how the former management did their job where Mamić was very loud and spectacular about everything. I really hope that there will be some big names signing for Dinamo this summer.

[Queentoshi]

I don't think that Livaković and Petković leaving Dinamo is a result of bad work of the new management. I think that they are leaving because it's probably their last chance to sign for an international club. They are not getting any younger (both are 28 years old) so I think it's their age that made them search for another club.

I am not Croatian, but I watched Netherlands and Croatia play yesterday. I am not very sure about Livakovic, but for Petkovic who came on for Josip Sutalo in the 91'st minute and scored a third goal for Croatia in the 98'th minute of the game with a good strike as expected of a striker to score, International clubs will come for him if he can have another great performance, scoring again for Croatia in the finals. Many top clubs are in need of a striker, clubs like Chelsea, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Arsenal and others, their scouts must have noticed him and monitoring his progress.

[slackovic]

I am not Croatian, but I watched Netherlands and Croatia play yesterday. I am not very sure about Livakovic, but for Petkovic who came on for Josip Sutalo in the 91'st minute and scored a third goal for Croatia in the 98'th minute of the game with a good strike as expected of a striker to score, International clubs will come for him if he can have another great performance, scoring again for Croatia in the finals. Many top clubs are in need of a striker, clubs like Chelsea, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Arsenal and others, their scouts must have noticed him and monitoring his progress.

Petkovic could be a great striker, but he needs more will to play. Often on the pitch it looks like he's had enough of everything and doesn't try to create a chance at all, but just waits for the chance to score a goal to appear on its own. If he had tried more in the earlier period of his career, he would probably already be in a big club.

[Daniel91]

I don't think that Livaković and Petković leaving Dinamo is a result of bad work of the new management. I think that they are leaving because it's probably their last chance to sign for an international club. They are not getting any younger (both are 28 years old) so I think it's their age that made them search for another club.

I am not Croatian, but I watched Netherlands and Croatia play yesterday. I am not very sure about Livakovic, but for Petkovic who came on for Josip Sutalo in the 91'st minute and scored a third goal for Croatia in the 98'th minute of the game with a good strike as expected of a striker to score, International clubs will come for him if he can have another great performance, scoring again for Croatia in the finals. Many top clubs are in need of a striker, clubs like Chelsea, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Arsenal and others, their scouts must have noticed him and monitoring his progress.

Petkovic actually had a great season in 2019, when he played very well for the club but also for the Croatian national team. He actually almost single-handedly beat Slovakia and that was great to watch.
There are stories and rumors that he was close to going to Barcelona that year.
Unfortunately, Perković is a player with a very special, difficult character and is often his own worst enemy.
Petkovic played very badly for the next couple of years and was far from the national team, but it seems that he found himself again and decided to show what he knows. He is obviously especially inspired when he plays big games, like against Brazil at the World Cup and now against the Netherlands. Now the main question is whether he will play in Dinamo next season or whether he will soon go to a new club.

[slackovic]

Petkovic actually had a great season in 2019, when he played very well for the club but also for the Croatian national team. He actually almost single-handedly beat Slovakia and that was great to watch.
There are stories and rumors that he was close to going to Barcelona that year.
Unfortunately, Perković is a player with a very special, difficult character and is often his own worst enemy.
Petkovic played very badly for the next couple of years and was far from the national team, but it seems that he found himself again and decided to show what he knows. He is obviously especially inspired when he plays big games, like against Brazil at the World Cup and now against the Netherlands. Now the main question is whether he will play in Dinamo next season or whether he will soon go to a new club.

I'm not saying that he is a bad player. But let's take last night game for example. I guess he was in charge to calm the long balls but I can't remember how many times the ball ended up with Spain players. Another example is when other players were putting pressure on Spain's defense and he was just waling around like it's none of his business.

[Daniel91]

Croatian clubs have just found out their opponents in European club competitions.
Croatian champion Dinamo will play against the winner of the match between Astana and Dinamo Tbilisi.
In the conference league, Osijek plays against ZTE from Hungary and Rijeka against the winner of the match between Kosovo's Dukagjini and Gibraltar's Europe.
Hajduk participates in the competition from the third preliminary round of the conference league.
It seems to me that Rijeka got the easiest possible opponent, while Dinamo and Osijek got very unpleasant opponents and that they could have done better in the draw.

[Joca97]

Croatian clubs have just found out their opponents in European club competitions.
Croatian champion Dinamo will play against the winner of the match between Astana and Dinamo Tbilisi.
In the conference league, Osijek plays against ZTE from Hungary and Rijeka against the winner of the match between Kosovo's Dukagjini and Gibraltar's Europe.
Hajduk participates in the competition from the third preliminary round of the conference league.
It seems to me that Rijeka got the easiest possible opponent, while Dinamo and Osijek got very unpleasant opponents and that they could have done better in the draw.

Dinamo zagreb should be an easy win an expected to fight to get into the group for sure. They have been dominating the league for many years and good on the european stage . Osijek will struggle in the european match while Rijeka has an easy match up for them whoever win the duel between those two teams.

[slackovic]

Dinamo zagreb should be an easy win an expected to fight to get into the group for sure. They have been dominating the league for many years and good on the european stage . Osijek will struggle in the european match while Rijeka has an easy match up for them whoever win the duel between those two teams.

The problem with Dinamo is that few of their best players left this summer. It will be interesting to see how will Dinamo perform without them. The other problem is that Dinamo always has problems playing against weaker teams. They did improve on that in the last few years, but I'm always concerned when it comes to playing against those type of teams.

[Daniel91]

Dinamo zagreb should be an easy win an expected to fight to get into the group for sure. They have been dominating the league for many years and good on the european stage . Osijek will struggle in the european match while Rijeka has an easy match up for them whoever win the duel between those two teams.

The problem with Dinamo is that few of their best players left this summer. It will be interesting to see how will Dinamo perform without them. The other problem is that Dinamo always has problems playing against weaker teams. They did improve on that in the last few years, but I'm always concerned when it comes to playing against those type of teams.

The new football season is about to start and it seems that almost no one will come to Dinamo except some unknown footballers like the Japanese Kaneko.
Bišćan is asking the management for several new footballers to strengthen the team, but it seems that he will not get them.
The moment of truth is coming soon as the Champions League qualifiers begin. For Dinamo, anything other than entering the group stage of any European competition would be a financial and any other disaster
Dinamo cannot survive financially from the Croatian league, so a possible failure in European competitions would mean a total sale of the team and the dismissal of the coach.