Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗

[ScamViruS]

We appreciate you bringing these issues forward but we must add further context that you failed to mention.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

If the OP somehow abused the multi-account facility, then prove all his allegations false with all the evidence. Because here nothing can be believed without evidence. You say you've already lost a lot of money because of this kind of abuse, which doesn't mean that the OP is involved in everything.

OP can be proven wrong here just by publishing your evidence, otherwise keeping this thread open will affect your reputation. So we all want to see a proper solution to this accusation.

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[larry_vw_1955]

I have read the last few posts and questions larry_vw_1955 asked, and he makes some valid points.

thanks. thanks for reiterating all my points. even if the OP doesn't see it that way.

Have you presented your case in front of AskGamblers or a similar service to see what they have to say? Are you considering getting a lawyer involved?

if they don't ask him how much money he made off of all his accounts on rollbit in total then anything else is kind of meaningless. and i guarantee a lawyer would ask for that information right off the bat.

A question for you to extend on what Larry was also saying. When you or your friend spoke with their support, why wasn't this the question that was asked? I have x Rollbit accounts created in the past that have in the meantime been limited. I used to bet $500 (for example) on sports, but with the limits you placed on my accounts, I can now only bet $10 max. Since Rollbit allows the creation of multiple accounts, am I allowed to create a new one so I can start betting $500 per match again?

have you ever wanted to do something so bad that you didn't want someone telling you no? that's probably why.  

we'll see what the OP has to say next.

In that moment i was happy that this option exists and just wanted to double down without waking a sleeping dog. So since my friend asked it in this way already, i didnt feel the need of going into more detail.

well there you go! you knew it was not the wisest thing to do but you couldn't help yourself. you took a shot at them and you got shot down.   that's what I thought all along. glad you just confirmed it. it was too good to be true and you didn't want to be told otherwise. we've all been there and done that. at some point or another with SOMETHING. problem is, sleeping dogs can wake up and bite you in the ***. and that's what happened.

Another thing im wondering is, why no one asks them questions besides LoyceV.
Why do they claim they handed out warnings if this didnt happen?
Why are they not showing proof of those warnings?
Why are they showing all those things (blockchain history, account names etc.)  in the other guys thread but ignore mine since weeks?

You dont think thats shady behavior?

I'm more interested in how many accounts you had in total and how much money you made off of them in total. Sum up your total deposits into all your accounts with them. Sum up all your withdrawals from all your accounts with them. Subtract the deposits from the withdrawals. Tell me that number. We want to know.

[Lak93xy]

I'm more interested in how many accounts you had in total and how much money you made off of them in total. Sum up your total deposits into all your accounts with them. Sum up all your withdrawals from all your accounts with them. Subtract the deposits from the withdrawals. Tell me that number. We want to know.

I know larry, your always just interested in my wrong doing not in Rollbits . I already explained why im not disclosing this atm.

Anyways, i flagged them now. Will proceed with further steps.

[larry_vw_1955]

I know larry, your always just interested in my wrong doing not in Rollbits . I already explained why im not disclosing this atm.

When you don't fully disclose all the details, you're putting people here at a disadvantage to be able to fully form an opinion i.e. wasting their time.
you have wasted alot of peoples time up to this point. i'll have to go search back through this thread to try and find out why you don't want to discuss how much money you made off them.

Anyways, i flagged them now. Will proceed with further steps.

what do you mean by "flagged"? hopefully those further steps will not include you trying to impeach rollbit in this forum without having told the full story on how much money you made off of them. and how many accounts you opened, etc, etc.

Just as an example, lets say you made $20,000 off of them but then you deposited $10,000 of it back. Are you guilty then? maybe.

lets say you made $5000 off of them but then you deposited $10,000. Are you guilty then? well yeah you're still guilty but they owe you $5000.

[Lak93xy]

I know larry, your always just interested in my wrong doing not in Rollbits . I already explained why im not disclosing this atm.

When you don't fully disclose all the details, you're putting people here at a disadvantage to be able to fully form an opinion i.e. wasting their time.
you have wasted alot of peoples time up to this point. i'll have to go search back through this thread to try and find out why you don't want to discuss how much money you made off them.

Anyways, i flagged them now. Will proceed with further steps.

what do you mean by "flagged"? hopefully those further steps will not include you trying to impeach rollbit in this forum without having told the full story on how much money you made off of them. and how many accounts you opened, etc, etc.

Just as an example, lets say you made $20,000 off of them but then you deposited $10,000 of it back. Are you guilty then? maybe.

lets say you made $5000 off of them but then you deposited $10,000. Are you guilty then? well yeah you're still guilty but they owe you $5000.

Mate whatever is wrong with you i dont know, but im done talking to you atleast. Make whatever you want out of it. You have such a biased opinion, im not gonna bother answering to your bs anymore. Throwing accusations at me left and right while not even closely understanding whats happening here. No one cares about your personal opinion, or moral view point.

This guys have ignored their own TOS and used this as an explanation to confiscate a 6 figure sum. I have never breached anything in their TOS.
Thats a fact. And they have failed to answer anything in weeks now, even tho they are full aware whats happening.

I explained like 2 or 3 posts before why im not disclosing this. You are wasting your own time here, if you join discussions but cant sort yourself out.

Stop replying to things if you keep forgetting what has been said before, thx. I also dont think you understand how much impact your way of talking here can have on the entire case.

While you maybe think that Rollbit dosnt have to answer anything here anymore, because in your opinion they said enough, other people have a lot of questions towards them aswell.
But you are constantly shooting towards me, throwing those accusations around and putting me in a spot where it looks like im the one who hast to explain himself.
Thats the best thing you can do for them, if they dont wanna answer here anymore. So yea instead of spamming this thread with your responses because you are too lazy to scroll up 3 posts,
maybe stop wasting your time aswell. And maybe just maybe think about the impact your behavior here can have without having 100% proof of whats happening.



I have told the full story. Any further details (how many accounts and whats the PnL) i will disclose after they come forward, since its the only evidence i have to proof that they are lying. (Did you understand that now)


But yea that was my last response to you. I actually hope at this point your affiliated with Rollbit because otherwise you are seriously just a pretty weird dude.

[larry_vw_1955]

But yea that was my last response to you. I actually hope at this point your affiliated with Rollbit because otherwise you are seriously just a pretty weird dude.

One thing in your favor is you have replied to almost everyone that asked for one here in the thread. That's to your credit. I can respect someone that knows how to gamble and make money at it. so if that's you then my hat's off to you not alot of people can do that. you're a better man than me in that case.

Maybe it would have been better you to moderate our thread, deleting posts you don't like to keep things under control. it's not what I'm saying that makes you look bad. it's what you yourself have admitted to here in this long thread. You would have been better off not even opening up this thread. To be quite honest. That's what I think. Every time you offered up additional information, it made you look WORSE. Is that why you don't want us to know how much money you made off them and how many accounts you had?

I tend to think if you had made only a couple accounts like 2 or 3 and maybe made $2000 or $3000 in profit, you would be foaming at the mouth to let everyone know that since you would be in quite a big hole if they had then confiscated $10,000 from ya. On the other hand, lets say you had cleaned them out for over $10,000 before they stepped in and confiscated $10,000 of it. Well, theoretically you then made money off them NET. So you wouldn't really think people would be as sympathetic to you maybe. Especially if the amount you made was even larger like say $20,000. And guess what, you might be right.  

[larry_vw_1955]

A question for you to extend on what Larry was also saying. When you or your friend spoke with their support, why wasn't this the question that was asked?
I have x Rollbit accounts created in the past that have in the meantime been limited. I used to bet $500 (for example) on sports, but with the limits you placed on my accounts, I can now only bet $10 max. Since Rollbit allows the creation of multiple accounts, am I allowed to create a new one so I can start betting $500 per match again?

Yeah he didn't do that. he doesn't have a reasonable answer as to why not. anyone with any common sense would have. but he dumped in $10,000 without doing that simple reasonable due diligence. what he did was careless. and yet he wants us to take his side and sympathize with him just because the TOS says he is not prohibited from doing something he thought he could do it. Nice try but try again.

The OP has a way of being very non-apologetic about what he did. Like he was in the absolute right. A more reasonable approach would have been to start out his thread by saying "Look guys, I know what I did was in a grey area and it might have cost me ten thousand bucks...." he would have gained alot more sympathy from me that way. 

[Lak93xy]

Just a friendly reminder for everyone that those blokes still failed to respond to a single question that were asked here by multiple people + still didnt bother to post any proof of their allegations. (While being super detailed on other cases here in the forum, kinda weird..)

Please stay away from this site!

[larry_vw_1955]

Please stay away from this site!

your warning is not likely to be heeded or even noticed. just take a look at their trustpilot to see what I mean. plenty of low reviews but people still keep gambling there. APPARENTLY.

people with common sense would have read the reviews on trustpilot before depositing a single satoshi. if you're ok with everything you read there then by all means do whatever you want to. 

[TwitchySeal]

Just a friendly reminder for everyone that those blokes still failed to respond to a single question that were asked here by multiple people + still didnt bother to post any proof of their allegations. (While being super detailed on other cases here in the forum, kinda weird..)

Please stay away from this site!

We appreciate you bringing these issues forward but we must add further context that you failed to mention.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

Please stay away from this site!

your warning is not likely to be heeded or even noticed. just take a look at their trustpilot to see what I mean. plenty of low reviews but people still keep gambling there. APPARENTLY.

people with common sense would have read the reviews on trustpilot before depositing a single satoshi. if you're ok with everything you read there then by all means do whatever you want to.  

Trust pilot is kind of a dumpster fire when it comes to using it to judge online casinos.

Players lose their money and leave bad reviews because they are mad they lost or didn't get some hand out they wanted.
Casinos give incentives to leave good reviews.

I'd be surprised if more than 5 or 10% of reviews do not fall into one of these two categories.

[larry_vw_1955]

Trust pilot is kind of a dumpster fire when it comes to using it to judge online casinos.

Players lose their money and leave bad reviews because they are mad they lost or didn't get some hand out they wanted.
Casinos give incentives to leave good reviews.

I'd be surprised if more than 5 or 10% of reviews do not fall into one of these two categories.

I mean you seem to know what you're talking about. nice to see.

[Lak93xy]

Rollbit still no answer so far. Not caring at all.

Please stay away from this site!

[larry_vw_1955]

Rollbit still no answer so far. Not caring at all.

Please stay away from this site!

so you made more than $10,000 or less than $10,000 in profit off of them before they withheld your deposit? more or less? easy to answer.

it's really not an irrelevant question...

[saxydev]

Rollbit still no answer so far. Not caring at all.

Please stay away from this site!

so you made more than $10,000 or less than $10,000 in profit off of them before they withheld your deposit? more or less? easy to answer.

it's really not an irrelevant question...

Why it does matter? It's his money or what, it's a breach of ToS only when you win?

[larry_vw_1955]

Why it does matter? It's his money or what, it's a breach of ToS only when you win?

It matters because if he was abusing the sportsbook and made more money off them than $10,000 then he probably is not entitled to any of it back. That's just my opinion. You can feel free and disagree.

[saxydev]

Why it does matter? It's his money or what, it's a breach of ToS only when you win?

It matters because if he was abusing the sportsbook and made more money off them than $10,000 then he probably is not entitled to any of it back. That's just my opinion. You can feel free and disagree.

I am disagreeing, look, if you would've lost money at their sportsbook they wouldve return the loss? Neah, they care only when you are in profit.

[larry_vw_1955]

I am disagreeing, look, if you would've lost money at their sportsbook they wouldve return the loss? Neah, they care only when you are in profit.

but the point is they never even allowed him to place a single wager using his $10,000 deposit. if they had wanted to, they could have only frozen his funds when he won. and gave him the chance to place some losing bets where they would have said nothing. that didn't happen though...

[demonicenigma]

The sheet amount of apologists and users protecting Rollbit is proof that this community advertises casinos with completely fluid ToCs that change to our get interpreted to deadlock and user it disagrees 

How this isn't completely illegal you only have to look at the actions, not intent, which would never hold up in any country with property laws, which explains why these casinos get licensed by a scam company and lost their addresses as shacks in the third world.

Fact one:  Customer read ToC and inquired with casino staff that his activity board no terms or conditions. This is regardless regarding prior  actions, as the request was explicitly addressed to casino staff and Rollbits own FAQ specifically allows multi account use as long as bonus fraud or referral fraud aren't involved, which they weren't.

Fact two: customer deposits $10000 into new account, and ONLY DEPOSITS, as the account ban and funds seizure occur immediately after the deposit. Rollbit did no such inquiry or request for documents, customer placed absolutely no wager, casino, trading, or sports betting. Rollbit is in abaolutely no contract right to do anything until customer violated ToC, which he couldn't do because action was impossible at this point.

Instead, Rollbit arbitrarily decided not only to ban him to prevent showing past b ownership of property, doesn't tally past bets and accounts an actual sum of illicit wages, and decides to simply take his funds with no due process, evidence, or cited violations? Like any legal company would HAVE to do to CYA from fraud or racketeering allegations.

OP, I'm sorry this board that used to be respected and valued decided didn't you for accusing one of their own, and Razor is a known scammer, evidenced clear as day with a simple Google search.

To be honest, customers can no longer rely on communities such as these because they become blinded and incensed by their own perform motives and lack of any moral or legal standing. Once the signature campaigns took off for casinos, this whole piece has corrupted into a trap for unknowing customers looking for something that is not available legally usually in their own countries because of the unenforceability of crypto transactions.  No one here would've ever given you a fair chance at your base because they're all in on it.

[larry_vw_1955]

The sheet amount of apologists and users protecting Rollbit is proof that this community advertises casinos with completely fluid ToCs that change to our get interpreted to deadlock and user it disagrees 
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No one here would've ever given you a fair chance at your base because they're all in on it.

well, did the OP do anything? he never updated the thread which makes me think he never got his money back. the way he sounded though he was going to follow through and get it back somehow even if it involved legal actions. but i guess talk is cheap.

Put your money where your mouth is but i don't know too many lawyers who would be interested in helping someone get their $10,000 back. it's almost not even worth it for them. that's just the reality in alot of places.

[jelvis]

Can we get an update as I'm going thru a similar experience