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November 09, 2022, 02:56:09 PM
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All games can be rigged, as long as the operators want to do it then they will do it for their own purpose (money).
Online provably fair games is better if you ask me because there is a way for players to verify the bets.

This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

Losing 2 days in a row is not enough to prove that the casino cheated on you, anyone can lose several days in row when the bad luck comes.

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November 09, 2022, 03:11:33 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Sure a physical roullete can be rigged. But I think these kinds of things are checked regularly and made sure to be in functional order. Also, if it were rigged then there would be some patterns that gamblers would at some point catch up on and then the casino owner would be in very big trouble.

Anything can be used to rig the wheel. From weights to table balance manipulation or even magnets. There are an infinite amount of ways to rig it if you have a good imagination and a working understanding of fundamental physics.

But again, things like rigged wheels will not remain unnoticed for long.

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November 09, 2022, 04:00:34 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
I may be wrong but I like to think that anything can be manipulated. From my many experience with tricksters and watching Live magic performances where tricks are involved, the more you look the less you actually see. It may not be a common thing, and not something easily done, but anything is possible.

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November 09, 2022, 04:02:20 PM
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Roulette can be rigged with electric motors and magnets, and that's not new, let me share a video where they explain how an old roulette table was rigged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOc4sVA_vc

The way it works was crazy because the spinning machine was over the table leg, so, it have a motor under it, just watch the full video and you will fully understand how that works.

I don't think casinos do this any more, but it happened in the past.

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November 09, 2022, 05:36:21 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
I may be wrong but I like to think that anything can be manipulated. From my many experience with tricksters and watching Live magic performances where tricks are involved, the more you look the less you actually see. It may not be a common thing, and not something easily done, but anything is possible.

The paradox lies in the fact that it is the manipulation and dishonest play of offline casino owners that gives the player a chance to beat the casino.  

The mathematical theory of probability does not leave the player with a chance to consistently win at roulette in the long run.  This is due to the presence of sectors 0 and 00. These sectors provide constant profits to casino owners.  

However, in the event of a dishonest game, the distribution of winnings between players and casino owners will no longer obey mathematical laws.  

The croupier's manipulations can theoretically be calculated.  And this gives an attentive player a chance to win.

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November 09, 2022, 06:02:35 PM
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I just finished the video. Thanks for sharing it, I found it to be entertaining and definitely OP could get an idea of how far people can go to defraud others.
If I had to guess, I believe there must be some casinos that still rig their roulettes, specially in countries where the gambling industry is not so regulated as in the United States and Europe. I think this way because this rigged table you just shared with us was used back in 1929 and it is very well done, nowadays casinos of doubtful reputation have more technology as their disposal to try to increase their odds: much more smaller batteries, stronger magnets, electronics, minuscule electric motors, etc.

Perhaps, it is another reason to stick to provably fair games.
 

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November 09, 2022, 08:07:04 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

If you're talking about gambling over the internet, anything can be rigged.  In fact, a lot of new casinos pop up with deposit bonuses just to get your funds and then either you cannot withdraw or you're subjected to playing games that will make you a loser every time.  I would urge you to look into transparent and provably honest casino games if you feel like it's a possibility that you are being cheated.  Where there's smoke there's fire as they say and if you're getting a bad feeling from the site you're choosing to gamble on, either research and make sure that it's legitimate or find a new site that you feel is honest.

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November 09, 2022, 09:51:26 PM
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You're not the only one who has thought about this. For decades, people have been inventing a strategy to beat roulette. The answer is that you can't beat roulette, there is no guaranteed winning strategy. There are strategies such as the MartinGale system, but that too can go horribly wrong and then you end up bankrupt if things go wrong. Roulette is pure gambling and luck.

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November 09, 2022, 09:56:55 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

If you're talking about gambling over the internet, anything can be rigged.  In fact, a lot of new casinos pop up with deposit bonuses just to get your funds and then either you cannot withdraw or you're subjected to playing games that will make you a loser every time.  I would urge you to look into transparent and provably honest casino games if you feel like it's a possibility that you are being cheated.  Where there's smoke there's fire as they say and if you're getting a bad feeling from the site you're choosing to gamble on, either research and make sure that it's legitimate or find a new site that you feel is honest.


In internet i play only kn providers like eundorphina (live games) it can never be rigged they get only comission from house edge and integrate on 100 casinos.

If i ever wany to bet all money on a roullete it would be online and not on a real physical casino.

Also not self made games by online casinos. Alwaus check for enorphina and similar providers with no interst to make anything rigged.
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Roulette is one of my favorite games and I guess I might always give whatever casino I’m playing at a little more credit than perhaps I should but I always just assume if they are professionally/legally licenses then their games must be “up to code” and therefore not “rigged” but really who knows.  That’s probably a foolish way to look at it.

One thing I don’t do is play roulette online, just doesn’t have the same feel to me.

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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

the best strategy to avoid this problem is to follow the games in advance to try to find any abnormal patterns (intentional addiction caused in roulette).
The second is to bet on random numbers....don't get stuck on a certain number for too many rounds, adopt a smart gaming strategy. If necessary, bet on the "hot numbers".... the ones that were drawn the most in the previous rounds.

lastly... always be wary of games that have little reputation.

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November 10, 2022, 02:10:51 AM
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This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in
Although it's possible to rig a live roullete, you shouldn't jump to a final conclusion without further evidence. It can be that the house was cheating, but it can also be that you were just unlucky, what should be expected on long term anyway, since the house has a slight advantage on every games against gamblers. The important is to never lose control and bet money you can't afford to lose for vengeance reasons, otherwise you are going to be the main prejudiced in the end. Play for entertainment, and if you are concerned and suspecting a casino in particular, don't play there. There are many other alternatives around.

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November 10, 2022, 04:59:52 AM
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Although it's possible to rig a live roullete, you shouldn't jump to a final conclusion without further evidence. It can be that the house was cheating, but it can also be that you were just unlucky, what should be expected on long term anyway, since the house has a slight advantage on every games against gamblers.

Well, apart from what several of us have explained to the OP, he is so dumb that he can't blame anything on himself and thinks that if he loses at roulette he is rigged. When in reality, a defective physical roulette wheel can give an advantage to the player who knows how to take advantage of that defect:

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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

A good croupier can hit a certain sector, maybe even the number he wants, but only sometimes... when they have a good day and "lucky hands". It's not something every croupier can do, and those who can have their good & bad days.

Although it's possible to rig a live roullete, you shouldn't jump to a final conclusion without further evidence. It can be that the house was cheating, but it can also be that you were just unlucky, what should be expected on long term anyway, since the house has a slight advantage on every games against gamblers.

Well, apart from what several of us have explained to the OP, he is so dumb that he can't blame anything on himself and thinks that if he loses at roulette he is rigged. When in reality, a defective physical roulette wheel can give an advantage to the player who knows how to take advantage of that defect:

The clan that ruled the roulette wheel
The Pelayo family's almost-infallible gambling method won them over 1.5 million euros Their incredible story is now being brought to the big screen


OP was unlucky or his style of playing (and his strategy) is simply wrong. Whatever it is, he should rethink what went wrong before start blaming others for his loses.

Interesting story about the Pelayo family, I started reading and it seems interesting. I found the movie "The Pelayos - Winning Streak", I don't remember watching it...

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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).


This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

Of course, anything created by humans can be manipulated bro, including roulette in physical casinos.
It could be that it was indeed rigged but no one knows for sure if it was really rigged, because it's about gambling isn't it?
In gambling some people will definitely experience victory or even defeat. It's a common thing.
It's simple if you lose and you are not comfortable with the game then switch to another game that makes you enjoy the game.
Obviously you are not comfortable playing at that casino, maybe you should try visiting another casino and try other luck that makes you comfortable.
If you keep thinking you are always being cheated on, then you will spend your time worrying all the time, right?









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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).


This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

Of course, anything created by humans can be manipulated bro, including roulette in physical casinos.
It could be that it was indeed rigged but no one knows for sure if it was really rigged, because it's about gambling isn't it?
In gambling some people will definitely experience victory or even defeat. It's a common thing.
It's simple if you lose and you are not comfortable with the game then switch to another game that makes you enjoy the game.
Obviously you are not comfortable playing at that casino, maybe you should try visiting another casino and try other luck that makes you comfortable.
If you keep thinking you are always being cheated on, then you will spend your time worrying all the time, right?
Of course, a game of roulette can be rigged with precision. There is hardly any technology used nowadays that hackers cannot invade. Those who work in the casino know this and am sure games can be rigged for persons who have won too much or too less. It is however highly unlikely for this to be a common phenomenon due to the presence of cameras, security personnel and prying eyes who would notice due to experience.
It is always better to play firstly for fun before winnings, so as to not be greedy when engrosses in the game.

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Of course, anything created by humans can be manipulated bro, including roulette in physical casinos.
It could be that it was indeed rigged but no one knows for sure if it was really rigged, because it's about gambling isn't it?
In fact it is very easy to tell if a gambling game like the roulette has been rigged, the only thing you need to do is to accumulate a large enough sample of results, this is probably the most time consuming part of the process, after it the only thing you need to do is to see how many times a number has appeared in the sample and how many times that number should have appeared, if the appearance of the numbers is within a range then you know the roulette has not been rigged, but if there is a huge discrepancy here then you know there is something wrong with the roulette and there is a high chance someone rigged it.
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Even if you spend hours writing down the numbers that fall out at the roulette wheel is not the fact that it will give any result because most likely in order to improve safety casino owners change their strategy to avoid falling under suspicion.

It seems to me that it is almost impossible to prove foul play at the roulette table. Therefore, after several losses I bypass this game of chance and I do not quite understand gamblers who play roulette.

Well the premise is that it can be rigged or at least someone will find biased machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeXMTq0ieWE

But when this come out or at least be known to casinos then, they are smart to change and move their machines to not give the chance of any individuals to take advantage of it.

There is always a first time and this family is very smart and exploit it to it's limit.

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November 11, 2022, 11:20:02 PM
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Live casino can be rigged but no one can proved it unless you are working with them personally. But this kind of revelation will never be in public since live casino employee is protected by a NDA.

Roulette can be rigged using a magnetic pull on the ball or a flicker effect which makes the ball jump abnormally using some external forcw when landing on number with huge bet.  The problem on doing conspiracy against gambling provider was lacking of proof which will just make you a sore loser. Typically this kind of allegation is being ignored because there's someone winning that testify against you.
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November 11, 2022, 11:28:45 PM
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I've watched too much Hollywood movies to know that it is somewhat possible, although of course people would probably notice before the casino can make a lot money. Some tricks include magnets, table level, subtle sleight of hand tricks etc. Of course, only a casino daring enough can pull this off because just imagine the scandal it can cause. They can easily lose a lot of patrons just because they became too greedy rigging a game chance.
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