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November 08, 2022, 02:41:46 AM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
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November 08, 2022, 03:30:45 AM
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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).
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November 08, 2022, 03:57:57 AM
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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).


This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in
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November 08, 2022, 04:14:58 AM
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This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

You are right to blame something external rather than yourself.

Was that the revenge you were talking about yesterday?

Lost 270 dollar in roullete plan on revenge

It looks like you didn't get your revenge very well, but you're right, it's not your fault. Maybe the roulette wheel is rigged or something.

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November 08, 2022, 04:18:14 AM
Last edit: November 08, 2022, 04:42:31 AM by Fishy001
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This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

You are right to blame something external rather than yourself.

Was that the revenge you were talking about yesterday?

Lost 270 dollar in roullete plan on revenge

It looks like you didn't get your revenge very well, but you're right, it's not your fault. Maybe the roulette wheel is rigged or something.

Yes it was rigged in casini near my house i hit all the time..

The solution is to get out fast from one casino if you see too many loses and go to casino you won.


Anyway i feel like thr casino is rigged or cursed cuase i am a lucky guy this shit not happen to me
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November 08, 2022, 05:18:22 AM
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This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

You are right to blame something external rather than yourself.

Was that the revenge you were talking about yesterday?

Lost 270 dollar in roullete plan on revenge

It looks like you didn't get your revenge very well, but you're right, it's not your fault. Maybe the roulette wheel is rigged or something.

Yes it was rigged in casini near my house i hit all the time..

The solution is to get out fast from one casino if you see too many loses and go to casino you won.


Anyway i feel like thr casino is rigged or cursed cuase i am a lucky guy this shit not happen to me

if you want a lot of money you don't have to play roulette you can invest anything to get a return on your investment, basically everyone already knows casinos will not give you a lot of money even if you play with hundreds or thousands of dollars, they have their own ways to take your money its hard to find a fair game unless maybe you bet on sports because it won't be easy to cheat, to be honest i'm not a roullete lover but it looks like you made the right decision to leave the casino before your money runs out  Grin

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November 08, 2022, 08:06:05 AM
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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).
But the fact is that casinos, be it online or physical casinos do not have to manipulate the roulette table before they make huge amount of money. I will say Fishy001 is only getting it not right and the day might not be a lucky day for him and he lost. Is there any good reason the table should be manipulated? To me, no good reason because any number can be taken by the gamblers.

But we should know that casinos do have house edge advantage which makes more games to favour them than the gamblers.

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November 08, 2022, 08:09:15 AM
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I have an idea of my own that any thing can be rigged,yes even the US elections that put Trump to power.Coming back here,while a roulette can be rigged but why should anyone do that as it does not make a lot of sense,roulette is a game of luck and in the end a huge portion of winnings in offline casinos come from roulette tables so I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to rig a game which is guaranteed to bring to the house profits over the long run.

Online is a different story as everything is controlled by a program or algorithm which can be changed so I don't know what to say here,my idea was for the offline roulette which makes no sense to rig it when it guarantees profits to the house.

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November 08, 2022, 08:11:19 AM
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I'm not sure if it is really possible, but I saw a movie wherein the staff who is in charge to run the game for the players has a button to move the wheel as well as the ball without the players' notice. If this really happens on land based casino or even with online platforms, that would be unfair. I'm not into slots and roulettes, but because of these tendencies, I'm not into 'pure luck' gambling games. In sportsbetting, there is also a tendency for result manipulation depending on the fighters or teams. Money rules and money talks, right? Since we cannot easily determined if the house is manipulating the game, be observant. As other players suggest, if you often lose, try playing on other platform to somehow calibrate your losses.

This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

You are right to blame something external rather than yourself.

Was that the revenge you were talking about yesterday?

Lost 270 dollar in roullete plan on revenge

It looks like you didn't get your revenge very well, but you're right, it's not your fault. Maybe the roulette wheel is rigged or something.

Yes it was rigged in casini near my house i hit all the time..

The solution is to get out fast from one casino if you see too many loses and go to casino you won.


Anyway i feel like thr casino is rigged or cursed cuase i am a lucky guy this shit not happen to me

if you want a lot of money you don't have to play roulette you can invest anything to get a return on your investment, basically everyone already knows casinos will not give you a lot of money even if you play with hundreds or thousands of dollars, they have their own ways to take your money its hard to find a fair game unless maybe you bet on sports because it won't be easy to cheat, to be honest i'm not a roullete lover but it looks like you made the right decision to leave the casino before your money runs out  Grin
But that's another story to tell. We are in gambling dection so what could we expect? People here are into this activity and are just sharing informations and possibilities about their experiences and thoughts about the games they are playing.

This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

You are right to blame something external rather than yourself.

Was that the revenge you were talking about yesterday?

Lost 270 dollar in roullete plan on revenge

It looks like you didn't get your revenge very well, but you're right, it's not your fault. Maybe the roulette wheel is rigged or something.

Yes it was rigged in casini near my house i hit all the time..

The solution is to get out fast from one casino if you see too many loses and go to casino you won.


Anyway i feel like thr casino is rigged or cursed cuase i am a lucky guy this shit not happen to me


Luck itself is not constant. Things tend to change, that's what gambling is about.

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November 08, 2022, 09:07:00 AM
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Online is a different story as everything is controlled by a program or algorithm which can be changed so I don't know what to say here,my idea was for the offline roulette which makes no sense to rig it when it guarantees profits to the house.
That is just it, there is possibility that online casinos can rig compare to land based ones, yet is there a reason for it? People will later likely know and this can damage the reputation of the gambling site. But why rigging anything when they set a hedge that makes them have better chance to win. Even in sport that bettors have more chance to win, gambling sites set odds in a way more gamblers will lose and they will gain, it is like that in casinos too, while even that the chance to lose more are in casinos compared to sport betting. So no good reason for casinos to manipulate anything because they will always grow and become more established.

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November 08, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).


This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in
I am assuming that your "revenge" and plan to "bankrupt" them didn't go as planned? also, you don't have any evidence that the roulette game was rigged. it seems to me that you agreed with jackg to justify your thoughts that you were cheated and is denying the fact that you lost twice in a row fair and square.

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November 08, 2022, 09:37:59 AM
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This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

You are right to blame something external rather than yourself.

Was that the revenge you were talking about yesterday?

Lost 270 dollar in roullete plan on revenge

It looks like you didn't get your revenge very well, but you're right, it's not your fault. Maybe the roulette wheel is rigged or something.

Yes it was rigged in casini near my house i hit all the time..

The solution is to get out fast from one casino if you see too many loses and go to casino you won.


Anyway i feel like thr casino is rigged or cursed cuase i am a lucky guy this shit not happen to me



Maybe you are just expecting to much then didn't quit immediately once you are on winning side and then bad luck came then you lose all your money. This happen always especially when you became greedy and want to earn more money since you are not contended on what you are receiving at that time.

Maybe next time best solution to gain from roullete is to quit immediately and comeback tommorrow or the other day since if you came back in an hour or the same day you might lose all your money.

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I knew a croupier who worked in one of the biggest casinos in my city until gambling was moved to a separate area. He said that they were taught all sorts of tricks to save the casino money. He said that there were such croupiers who could throw the ball in the right sector of the roulette wheel. Believe it or not, it's up to you, but I guess he had no reason to lie to me. Personally, I believe that the main purpose of a croupier is to beat the casino goer and not lose a smile on his face.

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About 10 years ago, a casino opened in my city, we don’t have many of them, and the news about this quickly spread around the city that the casino was looking for a croupier. My friend decided to go to work at roulette, he was accepted and after some time he noticed that if you twist the ball with a certain force, then the ball stops in approximately one area. He told the owner about it and showed how he does it. So yes, it's possible, maybe it was discovered by accident by my friend, but it happens.

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The solution is to get out fast from one casino if you see too many loses and go to casino you won.

Anyway i feel like thr casino is rigged or cursed cuase i am a lucky guy this shit not happen to me
Just go home when you've won already a lot and spend the money right away if you can't stop that itch you've got on your hand. Because that will happen again whenever you feel that you have to spin or bet and go back again in that casino.

Forget about blaming the casino as they're not going to just giveaway money to the gamblers. And stop that mindset of taking revenge on them as if you'll really going to bankrupt them, look, you're the one now on the opposing side from your own words.

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November 08, 2022, 01:33:18 PM
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Yes it was rigged in casini near my house i hit all the time..

The solution is to get out fast from one casino if you see too many loses and go to casino you won.


Anyway i feel like thr casino is rigged or cursed cuase i am a lucky guy this shit not happen to me

I am confused. You said you will get your revenge so it was you who did lose the funds in the first place. You went back when it opened again because you said it was closed yesterday.
Now you are lucky this sh*t did not happen to you?
Or are we lucky this doesn't happen to us?

Anyway, maybe it's rigged, or maybe it's not. Just always remember the house will always win. Not in a literal way, but they always have a higher chance to win than yours. 60-40 or maybe more. Considering the "rigged" accusations, it will shoot up to an 80 percent win chance.

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Anyway i feel like thr casino is rigged or cursed cuase i am a lucky guy this shit not happen to me

I feel like you have to grow up and read a bit more.
While there's always the chance some games are rigged here and there, you seem to completely ignore the math that tells that the casino has always better chances than you on long term.
As I said from start: keep it at fun level (and money you afford to lose). You decided to go past that and lose some nice money. Too bad...

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I don't believe it can be "rigged" in the sense that it has to be because the games are designed to make the house money over the long run, so they don't have to be. However, if you're going to gamble, be sure you know what you're going to wager on and how much you're willing to lose before you start. Never play a game for more than 30 minutes to an hour while hoping to get lucky. It never occurs. Most importantly, when things get tough, know when to call it quits.

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Of course Roullete can be rigged but I doubt an outsider can do that without being caught. Only the croupier could successfully rig the game in their own way because they know the tricks or table very well.
We all know the casino wants you to always lose no matter how much they let one win, so it is best to just enjoy the thrills of the moment with cash you can lose and time you sure can let go. Otherwise, the thought of winning if it was played like so and not like so , might hunt one for a long time.

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Of course Roullete can be rigged but I doubt an outsider can do that without being caught. Only the croupier could successfully rig the game in their own way because they know the tricks or table very well.
We all know the casino wants you to always lose no matter how much they let one win, so it is best to just enjoy the thrills of the moment with cash you can lose and time you sure can let go. Otherwise, the thought of winning if it was played like so and not like so , might hunt one for a long time.

That's why the odds are always favoring the casino, they didn't even need to rig the wheel considering that the 0 and 00 will already be making money for them. But croupiers can do it with incentives from casinos is possible.

The thing is that if you caught a casino rigging, you can't do anything about it even if you report it to the police. But if we players get caught, you'd be punished.


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casinos can find a way to have a mathematical advantage but there is no way to get the roulette rigged without someone noticing. And in fact that is what casinos do with every game. they try to get the advantage to have a profit.

You can learn more about how casinos work the roulette game out here: https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/roulette-guide/rig-roulette-wheel/
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Go to youtube and you will know.

Even "card-game" with the information around 6-8 deck we don't know is the card are fully completed or not. But from my perspective, rouelte can be rigged comparing to other game because we don't know inside the wheel

+ with a video from youtube about how rigged is rouelete can be control.

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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Yes, it can be rigged.
A roulette is not more than a mechanical device and it is supposed to be random according some some variables, like the angular momentum and the friction between the wheel and its surroundings. However, there are mechanisms which could be implemented in a concealed way to increase the chances to get an specific number or color.

They could increase the friction in specific section of the shaft and even make use of weak magnets to attract the ball or marker.
There are no boundaries when it is about getting new ways to scam people in front of their eyes.

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November 08, 2022, 07:08:24 PM
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Go to youtube and you will know.

Even "card-game" with the information around 6-8 deck we don't know is the card are fully completed or not. But from my perspective, rouelte can be rigged comparing to other game because we don't know inside the wheel

+ with a video from youtube about how rigged is rouelete can be control.

Yes, there are a lot of videos on Youtube about how they can cheat when playing roulette, but that even if you're sure that you're being cheated it will be quite problematic to prove it.

To be honest I don't understand gamblers who bet on a certain number because the probability of winning is negligible (even if the casino plays fair). I'd rather play slots or dice.

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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

You can't be sure of anything other than what you create yourself, if the institution values its reputation, then they will not resort to illegal ways to cheat, and so there was even a case when a croupier with accomplices used a radio-controlled ball back in 1973, it's hard to imagine what is possible in our time.
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Yes, of course, an experienced croupier can influence the outcome of a roulette game. 

An experienced croupier can throw the ball into the desired sector of the roulette with amazing accuracy.  Hit accuracy is about 2 sectors.  Also, casinos often use balls of different weights, balls with a displaced center of gravity, etc. These are well-known tricks. 

Experienced offline casino players sometimes set up group round-the-clock monitoring of one or another croupier in order to fix patterns in the launch of the ball.  By setting up such a pattern, you can secure a big win.

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November 08, 2022, 08:47:31 PM
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Why need to prove it? just avoid it.

If people want a game without any cheated, from my perspective "POKER" is the answer. You're playing against other player not the house, and the house only provided you a table for all-player without any taken fee.

POKER is the game without being rigged.

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November 08, 2022, 08:52:44 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

There are many ways that a roulette wheel could be rigged to favor the house, but in reality they are destined to win over the long run so it doesn't make much sense for them to cheat as long as they can tolerate the variations in player bets. Some examples of fixing a roulette wheel could be - having a slight tilt on the wheel along with using some sort of weighting system to make it end up in a certain area more often, using magnets within the bed of the roulette wheel to gently guide it to a stop in the desired location or even the rotation mechanics themselves being carefully engineered to slow to a stop at the most favorable outcome on a specific bet.

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November 08, 2022, 09:00:27 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
Of course it can be rigged but it is not on the best interest of casino to do this, you need to understand the greatest advantage that casinos have is the randomness of the games themselves, the fact you cannot predict what number is going to come up next plus the house edge allows them to make a lot of profits, if they rigged the roulette then someone with enough patience could discover some numbers appear more often than others and this will give the player an edge but not the casino, so the casinos want the roulette and any other game to work precisely as intended.
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
Pretty much any game on a live casino can be rigged. Even the roulette. There are multiple ways this could be done. For some putting some weight on one side of the spinning wheel could favor a certain spot on the wheel, while depriving all the other sides, effectively rigging the game. But licensed casinos wouldn't be able to do this since as far as I know quality checks are being made to their equipment to make sure that no game is rigged in favor of the house. That being said, if you're scared that a particular casino could rig the game against your favor, might as well choose a different casino or refrain from playing in the game you are most afraid about.
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Be it rigged or not, there's no way to tell it honestly. To minimize the risk though, expect that these casinos won't ruin their reputation because of the rigged game possibilities. However, you have to accept that the house was designed in favor of the casinos that's why you are "gambling" against them.

It doesn't mean that you are losing, the casino is cheating on you right away. That's not gambling anymore if there's a 100% win rate. There's no special gambler there that can always turn the table upside down.

Why not the casino just give free money to all if there's no such thing as gambling there?

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November 08, 2022, 10:44:10 PM
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Roulette tables have been rigged in pop culture fiction. Movies and TV series have depicted there being an electromagnetic positioned underneath the roulette wheel which pulls the roulette ball in a direction to rig games.

Aside from that, I can't remember allegations or accusations of roulette being rigged anywhere. It is possible that roulette is one of the more fair casino games out there. Roulette has a very good reputation. Which is part of the reason why they are so popular for gamblers and have survived for so long inside casinos.
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November 08, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

It might be but we will never know. Depending on the reputation of the physical casino, I think the reputable ones are following gambling standard procedures on how the roulette should be. Besides, let's accept the fact that winning big here is really hard no matter how's fairness applied here.

No way it will be designed to give most of their customers a good win always.

If ever you asked that question because you lose playing roulette, that's gambling and you have to move on.
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November 09, 2022, 08:51:42 AM
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if you want a lot of money you don't have to play roulette you can invest anything to get a return on your investment, basically everyone already knows casinos will not give you a lot of money even if you play with hundreds or thousands of dollars, they have their own ways to take your money its hard to find a fair game unless maybe you bet on sports because it won't be easy to cheat, to be honest i'm not a roullete lover but it looks like you made the right decision to leave the casino before your money runs out  Grin
And you think investing is safe? There is also a risk there and it can still be considered as gambling. It's hard to earn lots of money in investing and it may take you a long time for you to do it. I think doing a business can yield you better returns or we can also do trading but again there are still risks on here.

Casinos are not built for the people to be rich but they are only built to give them entertainment so we should only treat it this way. I think you're right that it's hard to find a fair game offline but not online because we can verify each of our bets but we can also judge if they are legit or not based on the duration of their existence and based on the feedback of other gamblers.

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November 09, 2022, 10:52:34 AM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

I think everything is physical casino can be rigged, so in roulette, maybe it's not balance, and could favor certain numbers. But it's going to be very difficult to spot as casinos are also known for shuffling their roulette machine.

And that is the odds for a single number to be hit is very high payout because the chances are very small. And depending what kind of roulette you are playing, whether it's single or double zeroes, the odds will always be against you.

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November 09, 2022, 01:24:19 PM
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Again, I mentioned before that roulette can be intentional or not-intentional being rigged by casinos. You can find a machine that is biased for certain numbers, but it's that because of how the machines are set up by the casinos themselves without knowing that is is not balance, hence it is biased due to some  imperfections.

On the other hand, if they know this before hand, then obviously, they can set it up to trap gamblers and give them more house edge. But that is hard to proved, unless you will do what they call clocking, wherein putting hours after hours of recording the winning numbers.

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November 09, 2022, 02:18:56 PM
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Even if you spend hours writing down the numbers that fall out at the roulette wheel is not the fact that it will give any result because most likely in order to improve safety casino owners change their strategy to avoid falling under suspicion.

It seems to me that it is almost impossible to prove foul play at the roulette table. Therefore, after several losses I bypass this game of chance and I do not quite understand gamblers who play roulette.

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November 09, 2022, 02:23:09 PM
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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).


This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in
I am assuming that your "revenge" and plan to "bankrupt" them didn't go as planned? also, you don't have any evidence that the roulette game was rigged. it seems to me that you agreed with jackg to justify your thoughts that you were cheated and is denying the fact that you lost twice in a row fair and square.

I think he still wants to get revenge so he wants to justify what he thinks that he was cheated on that is why he lost,  this is gambling no guarantee of winning don't look for loopholes to justify why you lose, if a gambler keeps justifying why he losses and he only expect winning you will likely get addicted and keeps on winning because he thinks he cannot lose and he only wins everytime he plays.

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November 09, 2022, 02:29:29 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
Of course, you can because we can cheat on anything humans make.
But I don't know how to cheat the roulette machine; obviously, only people who know how a roulette machine works will know.
And maybe they are the ones who can cheat it so that victory still comes to them.
And if that happens, I think the casino will suspect him and investigate the person and arrest him if he is proven to have cheated the roulette machine.

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November 09, 2022, 02:48:35 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Of course. Almost any casino game can be rigged and roulette isn’t an exception. But casinos don’t really need to cheat on their games because the math is already on their side and it is the only friend they need. Cheating on their own games would damage their reputation very badly and they will lose whatever player base they got very quickly. Why risk it when they already make money without cheating? If a casino cheats, people will notice that eventually.

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November 09, 2022, 02:56:09 PM
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All games can be rigged, as long as the operators want to do it then they will do it for their own purpose (money).
Online provably fair games is better if you ask me because there is a way for players to verify the bets.

This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

Losing 2 days in a row is not enough to prove that the casino cheated on you, anyone can lose several days in row when the bad luck comes.

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November 09, 2022, 03:11:33 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

Sure a physical roullete can be rigged. But I think these kinds of things are checked regularly and made sure to be in functional order. Also, if it were rigged then there would be some patterns that gamblers would at some point catch up on and then the casino owner would be in very big trouble.

Anything can be used to rig the wheel. From weights to table balance manipulation or even magnets. There are an infinite amount of ways to rig it if you have a good imagination and a working understanding of fundamental physics.

But again, things like rigged wheels will not remain unnoticed for long.

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November 09, 2022, 04:00:34 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
I may be wrong but I like to think that anything can be manipulated. From my many experience with tricksters and watching Live magic performances where tricks are involved, the more you look the less you actually see. It may not be a common thing, and not something easily done, but anything is possible.

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Roulette can be rigged with electric motors and magnets, and that's not new, let me share a video where they explain how an old roulette table was rigged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOc4sVA_vc

The way it works was crazy because the spinning machine was over the table leg, so, it have a motor under it, just watch the full video and you will fully understand how that works.

I don't think casinos do this any more, but it happened in the past.

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November 09, 2022, 05:36:21 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
I may be wrong but I like to think that anything can be manipulated. From my many experience with tricksters and watching Live magic performances where tricks are involved, the more you look the less you actually see. It may not be a common thing, and not something easily done, but anything is possible.

The paradox lies in the fact that it is the manipulation and dishonest play of offline casino owners that gives the player a chance to beat the casino.  

The mathematical theory of probability does not leave the player with a chance to consistently win at roulette in the long run.  This is due to the presence of sectors 0 and 00. These sectors provide constant profits to casino owners.  

However, in the event of a dishonest game, the distribution of winnings between players and casino owners will no longer obey mathematical laws.  

The croupier's manipulations can theoretically be calculated.  And this gives an attentive player a chance to win.

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I just finished the video. Thanks for sharing it, I found it to be entertaining and definitely OP could get an idea of how far people can go to defraud others.
If I had to guess, I believe there must be some casinos that still rig their roulettes, specially in countries where the gambling industry is not so regulated as in the United States and Europe. I think this way because this rigged table you just shared with us was used back in 1929 and it is very well done, nowadays casinos of doubtful reputation have more technology as their disposal to try to increase their odds: much more smaller batteries, stronger magnets, electronics, minuscule electric motors, etc.

Perhaps, it is another reason to stick to provably fair games.
 

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November 09, 2022, 08:07:04 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

If you're talking about gambling over the internet, anything can be rigged.  In fact, a lot of new casinos pop up with deposit bonuses just to get your funds and then either you cannot withdraw or you're subjected to playing games that will make you a loser every time.  I would urge you to look into transparent and provably honest casino games if you feel like it's a possibility that you are being cheated.  Where there's smoke there's fire as they say and if you're getting a bad feeling from the site you're choosing to gamble on, either research and make sure that it's legitimate or find a new site that you feel is honest.

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You're not the only one who has thought about this. For decades, people have been inventing a strategy to beat roulette. The answer is that you can't beat roulette, there is no guaranteed winning strategy. There are strategies such as the MartinGale system, but that too can go horribly wrong and then you end up bankrupt if things go wrong. Roulette is pure gambling and luck.

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November 09, 2022, 09:56:55 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

If you're talking about gambling over the internet, anything can be rigged.  In fact, a lot of new casinos pop up with deposit bonuses just to get your funds and then either you cannot withdraw or you're subjected to playing games that will make you a loser every time.  I would urge you to look into transparent and provably honest casino games if you feel like it's a possibility that you are being cheated.  Where there's smoke there's fire as they say and if you're getting a bad feeling from the site you're choosing to gamble on, either research and make sure that it's legitimate or find a new site that you feel is honest.


In internet i play only kn providers like eundorphina (live games) it can never be rigged they get only comission from house edge and integrate on 100 casinos.

If i ever wany to bet all money on a roullete it would be online and not on a real physical casino.

Also not self made games by online casinos. Alwaus check for enorphina and similar providers with no interst to make anything rigged.
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Roulette is one of my favorite games and I guess I might always give whatever casino I’m playing at a little more credit than perhaps I should but I always just assume if they are professionally/legally licenses then their games must be “up to code” and therefore not “rigged” but really who knows.  That’s probably a foolish way to look at it.

One thing I don’t do is play roulette online, just doesn’t have the same feel to me.

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November 10, 2022, 01:08:14 AM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

the best strategy to avoid this problem is to follow the games in advance to try to find any abnormal patterns (intentional addiction caused in roulette).
The second is to bet on random numbers....don't get stuck on a certain number for too many rounds, adopt a smart gaming strategy. If necessary, bet on the "hot numbers".... the ones that were drawn the most in the previous rounds.

lastly... always be wary of games that have little reputation.

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November 10, 2022, 02:10:51 AM
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This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in
Although it's possible to rig a live roullete, you shouldn't jump to a final conclusion without further evidence. It can be that the house was cheating, but it can also be that you were just unlucky, what should be expected on long term anyway, since the house has a slight advantage on every games against gamblers. The important is to never lose control and bet money you can't afford to lose for vengeance reasons, otherwise you are going to be the main prejudiced in the end. Play for entertainment, and if you are concerned and suspecting a casino in particular, don't play there. There are many other alternatives around.

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November 10, 2022, 04:59:52 AM
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Although it's possible to rig a live roullete, you shouldn't jump to a final conclusion without further evidence. It can be that the house was cheating, but it can also be that you were just unlucky, what should be expected on long term anyway, since the house has a slight advantage on every games against gamblers.

Well, apart from what several of us have explained to the OP, he is so dumb that he can't blame anything on himself and thinks that if he loses at roulette he is rigged. When in reality, a defective physical roulette wheel can give an advantage to the player who knows how to take advantage of that defect:

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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

A good croupier can hit a certain sector, maybe even the number he wants, but only sometimes... when they have a good day and "lucky hands". It's not something every croupier can do, and those who can have their good & bad days.

Although it's possible to rig a live roullete, you shouldn't jump to a final conclusion without further evidence. It can be that the house was cheating, but it can also be that you were just unlucky, what should be expected on long term anyway, since the house has a slight advantage on every games against gamblers.

Well, apart from what several of us have explained to the OP, he is so dumb that he can't blame anything on himself and thinks that if he loses at roulette he is rigged. When in reality, a defective physical roulette wheel can give an advantage to the player who knows how to take advantage of that defect:

The clan that ruled the roulette wheel
The Pelayo family's almost-infallible gambling method won them over 1.5 million euros Their incredible story is now being brought to the big screen


OP was unlucky or his style of playing (and his strategy) is simply wrong. Whatever it is, he should rethink what went wrong before start blaming others for his loses.

Interesting story about the Pelayo family, I started reading and it seems interesting. I found the movie "The Pelayos - Winning Streak", I don't remember watching it...

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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).


This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

Of course, anything created by humans can be manipulated bro, including roulette in physical casinos.
It could be that it was indeed rigged but no one knows for sure if it was really rigged, because it's about gambling isn't it?
In gambling some people will definitely experience victory or even defeat. It's a common thing.
It's simple if you lose and you are not comfortable with the game then switch to another game that makes you enjoy the game.
Obviously you are not comfortable playing at that casino, maybe you should try visiting another casino and try other luck that makes you comfortable.
If you keep thinking you are always being cheated on, then you will spend your time worrying all the time, right?









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November 11, 2022, 02:52:10 PM
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There are at least 2 ways I can think of for rigging a roulette wheel. If you alter how the table balances (such as putting something small and unnoticeable under two of the legs) then you'll probably find there is a greater chance the ball ends up on one side of the wheel than the other (or clusters around certain specific numbers) - there could even be a way to do this with two opposite legs out of alignment (on the diagonal) so a host or someone off camera can change the lean of the table every so few spins without being noticed.

There's also a possibility grooves could be added to parts of the wheel where the ball spins so its course changes as it roles (if you think of the bounce of a ball that hits a corner then it's a lot more predictable). There's probably a lot of people on both sides of a casino trying to look for these sorts of things though because it can hurt the house's edge if the wheel is a bit more predictable.

These both don't guarantee a specific number is hit though so it'll still make the outcome seem random (if not done in a way that's noticeable - someone stretching across the table to do more than pick up the ball would likely be perceived as weird at best).


This why i lose 2 days in a row thiefs. New casino iwas in

Of course, anything created by humans can be manipulated bro, including roulette in physical casinos.
It could be that it was indeed rigged but no one knows for sure if it was really rigged, because it's about gambling isn't it?
In gambling some people will definitely experience victory or even defeat. It's a common thing.
It's simple if you lose and you are not comfortable with the game then switch to another game that makes you enjoy the game.
Obviously you are not comfortable playing at that casino, maybe you should try visiting another casino and try other luck that makes you comfortable.
If you keep thinking you are always being cheated on, then you will spend your time worrying all the time, right?
Of course, a game of roulette can be rigged with precision. There is hardly any technology used nowadays that hackers cannot invade. Those who work in the casino know this and am sure games can be rigged for persons who have won too much or too less. It is however highly unlikely for this to be a common phenomenon due to the presence of cameras, security personnel and prying eyes who would notice due to experience.
It is always better to play firstly for fun before winnings, so as to not be greedy when engrosses in the game.

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Of course, anything created by humans can be manipulated bro, including roulette in physical casinos.
It could be that it was indeed rigged but no one knows for sure if it was really rigged, because it's about gambling isn't it?
In fact it is very easy to tell if a gambling game like the roulette has been rigged, the only thing you need to do is to accumulate a large enough sample of results, this is probably the most time consuming part of the process, after it the only thing you need to do is to see how many times a number has appeared in the sample and how many times that number should have appeared, if the appearance of the numbers is within a range then you know the roulette has not been rigged, but if there is a huge discrepancy here then you know there is something wrong with the roulette and there is a high chance someone rigged it.
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November 11, 2022, 11:15:16 PM
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Even if you spend hours writing down the numbers that fall out at the roulette wheel is not the fact that it will give any result because most likely in order to improve safety casino owners change their strategy to avoid falling under suspicion.

It seems to me that it is almost impossible to prove foul play at the roulette table. Therefore, after several losses I bypass this game of chance and I do not quite understand gamblers who play roulette.

Well the premise is that it can be rigged or at least someone will find biased machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeXMTq0ieWE

But when this come out or at least be known to casinos then, they are smart to change and move their machines to not give the chance of any individuals to take advantage of it.

There is always a first time and this family is very smart and exploit it to it's limit.

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November 11, 2022, 11:20:02 PM
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Live casino can be rigged but no one can proved it unless you are working with them personally. But this kind of revelation will never be in public since live casino employee is protected by a NDA.

Roulette can be rigged using a magnetic pull on the ball or a flicker effect which makes the ball jump abnormally using some external forcw when landing on number with huge bet.  The problem on doing conspiracy against gambling provider was lacking of proof which will just make you a sore loser. Typically this kind of allegation is being ignored because there's someone winning that testify against you.
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I've watched too much Hollywood movies to know that it is somewhat possible, although of course people would probably notice before the casino can make a lot money. Some tricks include magnets, table level, subtle sleight of hand tricks etc. Of course, only a casino daring enough can pull this off because just imagine the scandal it can cause. They can easily lose a lot of patrons just because they became too greedy rigging a game chance.
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November 13, 2022, 02:54:34 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
I may be wrong but I like to think that anything can be manipulated. From my many experience with tricksters and watching Live magic performances where tricks are involved, the more you look the less you actually see. It may not be a common thing, and not something easily done, but anything is possible.
There's a possibility that the operator can manipulate the roullete, it's their roulette unless there is a government inspector that will inspect the machine and give it a passing seal, the bettor will have no idea that it is rigged its better to bet on online casinos than on physical casinos because there are seeds that you can check if the bets are Provably fair.

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I've watched too much Hollywood movies to know that it is somewhat possible, although of course people would probably notice before the casino can make a lot money. Some tricks include magnets, table level, subtle sleight of hand tricks etc. Of course, only a casino daring enough can pull this off because just imagine the scandal it can cause. They can easily lose a lot of patrons just because they became too greedy rigging a game chance.
And that is the thing, a casino already has a huge advantage over the player not only due to the house edge, physical casinos also control the whole environment and everything is allocated in such a way to make you to gamble way more than what you wanted at the beginning of your gambling session, so if at some point someone discovered the games were rigged in their favor the scandal will be so big that I doubt such a casino will survive it, so I would expect this kind of behavior only in casinos which are not very successful.
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November 14, 2022, 09:30:12 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

It can be rigged, there are two given method stated in this article that can rig a roullete.

Ball tripping this is intentionally dislodging the ball from the track prematurely to make the ball settle on the desired spot [1]

The other one is by rigging the wheel mechanically by placing or using small blocking pin. [1]




[1] https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/roulette-guide/rig-roulette-wheel/
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November 14, 2022, 09:56:53 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

It can be rigged, there are two given method stated in this article that can rig a roullete.

Ball tripping this is intentionally dislodging the ball from the track prematurely to make the ball settle on the desired spot [1]

The other one is by rigging the wheel mechanically by placing or using small blocking pin. [1]

There is no way that an offline casino does have completely rigged roulette games, but sometimes an experienced croupier can be able to bring the roulette game under his control.

If you spend all day working on something and dwell on one thing all day, you will get a better idea of how it is manipulated. As a result, experienced croupiers are able to throw the ball with about 99% accuracy during the course of the game.

Anyway, I talked about physical casinos. Due to the fact that online casinos have different algorithms, it is unlikely that they are rigged as long as there are enough players live on the board.

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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

It can be rigged, there are two given method stated in this article that can rig a roullete.

Ball tripping this is intentionally dislodging the ball from the track prematurely to make the ball settle on the desired spot [1]

The other one is by rigging the wheel mechanically by placing or using small blocking pin. [1]

There is no way that an offline casino does have completely rigged roulette games, but sometimes an experienced croupier can be able to bring the roulette game under his control.

If you spend all day working on something and dwell on one thing all day, you will get a better idea of how it is manipulated. As a result, experienced croupiers are able to throw the ball with about 99% accuracy during the course of the game.

Anyway, I talked about physical casinos. Due to the fact that online casinos have different algorithms, it is unlikely that they are rigged as long as there are enough players live on the board.

i can agree that there's a chance that a physical roulette game can be rigged as already pointed above. however, when it comes to online roulette, hard to rig this one, unless, they will put something on its code. the casino has already house edge so i don't think they will still think of rigging the game online.
but to answer the OP's question, i believe, roulette in physical casinos can somehow be rigged. they sometimes called it ball tripping.

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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?

I've seen movies and documentaries about rigging physical roulette so it's possible that they are rigging it, but not all roulette is rigged there are casinos that are under government supervision and they show transparency to their betting public, but on private casinos there is a possibility that there is, we have no way of knowing unless we have trained to see it or have watched a documentary on how they rigged a roulette, but of course, they make sure that they produce winners or else there will arise suspicion on their roulette.

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November 14, 2022, 10:18:56 PM
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I talk on live roullete in physical casino can it be rigged?
From my experience, anything offline game, roulette plus a host of others, can be rigged, even the online version of this games are sometimes rigged, except the casino be one that has a truly functional provable fair system in place.

Sorry about your loss by the way, maybe this will help you learn better not to revenge losses next time, even if you must do it, then maybe it did be wise to do it in another casino instead of returning to the same casino.

This is why in offline casinos, there is never a favorite place, except when you find a place you truly trust that their games are fair enough.

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