[Boxing]: Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez

[virasisog]

Canelo will most likely take Plant if he wins. If Benavidez wins and Canelo can't see any weakness then he is likely to move up and take a rematch with Bivol. Although earlier, Canelo already mentioned that a Bivol rematch is his priority. Pretty gutsy but I like it rather than choosing soft oppositions.

I think whoever wins this fight would interest Canelo, that if they will agree to fight him. Another tuneup fight before getting into a rematch on a fighter that has defeated him, and I'm pretty sure that it will happen one day, I'm just not sure if canelo will be able to beat Bivol.

Canelo will take whoever will win if the negotiations between two camps will materialize, it's a good tuneup like what you said before moving up again and chase a rematch from Bivol. We witness how he suffered from bivol, the guy have the speed and the capability to adjust each time Canelo try to box him and dominate.

I like to see Canelo trying his best to beat Bivol, but that would be a big challenge for him. He should take the winner of this upcoming fight before moving back and facing Bivol in the upper division.

Canelo will never forget that, he loses to Bivol and rushes to have a rematch but then he realizes he is not yet ready, so we've seen him fighting his usual weight. Well, I'm not hoping Plant would win as we know it would be an easy fight for Canelo, but if it will be Benavidez, it should be a great fight for Canelo.

It will be a good challenge for Canelo if Benavidez would win this match. Benavidez always prepares well for his matches so this will also be tough for Plant. Instead of Canelo chasing his lose fight with Bivol, I guess he should test and prove himself more with other boxers first so he'll be more prepared when he faces Bivol again. It seems like he had a hard time fighting during their last match.

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[freedomgo]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

As far as I know, Eddie Hearn and Canelo Alvarez's camp have said last year that Canelo won't be fighting a direct heavy opponent after his surgery because they needed to get him back to his feet first just to be safe and that he will be given a tune-up fight before he decides to face the winner of Plant-Benavidez fight or go for a rematch with Bivol. So, I'm thinking that maybe this is what they meant that time because John Ryder is not that kind of a risk to Canelo's throne, but I found out that Ryder have the WBO interim belt which kind of confusing.

Probably, but let's see how Canelo critics will take this, for sure they will give a lot of negative press for Canelo in he chooses this fighter. Which I had to admit I have to check his boxrec to see if he is worthy.

So he is the interim WBO belt, but it doesn't matter, but now we all know what they are fighting him. It's because of his injury and yeah probably a tune up and test how his hands were after the surgery. Maybe after this one he will fight either Bivol or the winner here. Canelo as well said that he wants to fight 3x a year so that is about the possibility for this year or at least 3x fight within 12 months.

Well, if Canelo can manage to make this tune-up fight happen before the 1st quarter of this year ends then I think he can do three fights this year. But that still depends though if how this fight will turns out because this is still a test for Canelo to see if his hands are working fine or should he needed some more rest to recover from the surgery. Either way, he will be fighting the winner of this fight or Bivol, that's for sure. The question is, who will be fighting first.

[stadus]

Eddie Hearn's idea is nuts. He wants Dmitry Bivol to drain down to 168 from 175. That is not going to happen anyway. Bivol will refuse it outright. He would rather stay at 175 and face Artur Beterbiev. The idea of being undisputed at both 168 and 175 may sound very promising, but I am sure that Bivol is intelligent enough to understand the trap that is being laid for him here. IMO, Canelo should focus on fighting John Ryder first, and after that he should fight the winner of the Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez match.

And Bivol hasn't fought in 168 lbs, he was a natural Light HW since the beginning of his career, so we know what Hearn or Canelo is thinking here, to drain Bivol in their rematch to get all the advantage and at least assure of them of a big win. So the ball is on the court of Bivol and his team, if they are going to succumb to the pressures or just simply look for other fight at 175 lbs.

And as I have said, if the Bivol fight is not going to happen, they will pick an easy fight and that could be John Ryder.

On the other hand, Plant vs Benavidez is not a snoozer, Plant's knockout of Dirrell is knockout of the year for me. So he will be riding on this momentum to have a big knockout win and repeat that act, if he can against David.

But Bivol won't be risking his title if he will fight Canelo at 168 lbs, the interesting question for this, is Canelo willing to risk his titles on the line just for the sake of getting a higher chance against Bivol? I don't think that's a good idea, really. They are saying that Bivol should visit Canelo at his division, but what if Bivol will agree and will make the weight.

They should just approach the rematch at Bivol's division and not the opposite because Canelo has nothing to lose anymore, it will be a money fight for their camp without any risks and Canelo will benefit either way as well because he will get a belt if he can pull a win in this rematch.

[Jating]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

As far as I know, Eddie Hearn and Canelo Alvarez's camp have said last year that Canelo won't be fighting a direct heavy opponent after his surgery because they needed to get him back to his feet first just to be safe and that he will be given a tune-up fight before he decides to face the winner of Plant-Benavidez fight or go for a rematch with Bivol. So, I'm thinking that maybe this is what they meant that time because John Ryder is not that kind of a risk to Canelo's throne, but I found out that Ryder have the WBO interim belt which kind of confusing.

Probably, but let's see how Canelo critics will take this, for sure they will give a lot of negative press for Canelo in he chooses this fighter. Which I had to admit I have to check his boxrec to see if he is worthy.

So he is the interim WBO belt, but it doesn't matter, but now we all know what they are fighting him. It's because of his injury and yeah probably a tune up and test how his hands were after the surgery. Maybe after this one he will fight either Bivol or the winner here. Canelo as well said that he wants to fight 3x a year so that is about the possibility for this year or at least 3x fight within 12 months.

Well, if Canelo can manage to make this tune-up fight happen before the 1st quarter of this year ends then I think he can do three fights this year. But that still depends though if how this fight will turns out because this is still a test for Canelo to see if his hands are working fine or should he needed some more rest to recover from the surgery. Either way, he will be fighting the winner of this fight or Bivol, that's for sure. The question is, who will be fighting first.

I agree, but for sure when he will fight when there is a green light from his doctor. But nevertheless it's a big risk for him as it might reoccur and that's why they are thinking of having just a easy and get busy fight with Ryder, (assuming this will be the case).

If Bivol decided to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo then for sure the belt of Canelo will be on the line, otherwise it's no point for Bivol to go down to 168 lbs because that is a big risk for him.

[carlisle1]

Eddie Hearn's idea is nuts. He wants Dmitry Bivol to drain down to 168 from 175. That is not going to happen anyway. Bivol will refuse it outright. He would rather stay at 175 and face Artur Beterbiev. The idea of being undisputed at both 168 and 175 may sound very promising, but I am sure that Bivol is intelligent enough to understand the trap that is being laid for him here. IMO, Canelo should focus on fighting John Ryder first, and after that he should fight the winner of the Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez match.

And Bivol hasn't fought in 168 lbs, he was a natural Light HW since the beginning of his career, so we know what Hearn or Canelo is thinking here, to drain Bivol in their rematch to get all the advantage and at least assure of them of a big win. So the ball is on the court of Bivol and his team, if they are going to succumb to the pressures or just simply look for other fight at 175 lbs.

And as I have said, if the Bivol fight is not going to happen, they will pick an easy fight and that could be John Ryder.

On the other hand, Plant vs Benavidez is not a snoozer, Plant's knockout of Dirrell is knockout of the year for me. So he will be riding on this momentum to have a big knockout win and repeat that act, if he can against David.

But Bivol won't be risking his title if he will fight Canelo at 168 lbs, the interesting question for this, is Canelo willing to risk his titles on the line just for the sake of getting a higher chance against Bivol? I don't think that's a good idea, really. They are saying that Bivol should visit Canelo at his division, but what if Bivol will agree and will make the weight.

They should just approach the rematch at Bivol's division and not the opposite because Canelo has nothing to lose anymore, it will be a money fight for their camp without any risks and Canelo will benefit either way as well because he will get a belt if he can pull a win in this rematch.

What if Bivol will do that and try snatching Canelo's belt? It's not by far since Bivol can take that weight and he can continue doing
the same fighting style or maybe he can be more fit.

I get your point and the possibility that Canelo will move up for the sake of money is higher, nothing to lose, but there's a huge
amount that in stake if he will take his chance to call for a rematch in the same weight level.

Let's see if how they will take that, but for the meantime let's move back to Caleb and Benavidez.

[Questat]

What if Bivol will do that and try snatching Canelo's belt? It's not by far since Bivol can take that weight and he can continue doing
the same fighting style or maybe he can be more fit.

Bivol IMO will not go down, because if he wants to, he would have done that a long time ago.
Canelo is the one who should go up again to take the rematch as that's the only chance he can even the match, then we might see a trilogy which would surely gather a lot of money from the fans.

I get your point and the possibility that Canelo will move up for the sake of money is higher, nothing to lose, but there's a huge
amount that in stake if he will take his chance to call for a rematch in the same weight level.

Let's see if how they will take that, but for the meantime let's move back to Caleb and Benavidez.

It's a huge gamble for Canelo because he suffered defeat during his attempt, but who knows maybe in the 2nd try he'll succeed.

[carlisle1]

What if Bivol will do that and try snatching Canelo's belt? It's not by far since Bivol can take that weight and he can continue doing
the same fighting style or maybe he can be more fit.

Bivol IMO will not go down, because if he wants to, he would have done that a long time ago.
Canelo is the one who should go up again to take the rematch as that's the only chance he can even the match, then we might see a trilogy which would surely gather a lot of money from the fans.

Bivol have all the reason not to do so, a legit champ who can play now with Canelo, like you I'm sure it's Canelo that will re-try
his chance and call for the rematch, if in-case he manage to win.

A good trilogy that will bring more money to both camps, we know the influence of huge amount it's not surprising if ever
that it will happen right?

I get your point and the possibility that Canelo will move up for the sake of money is higher, nothing to lose, but there's a huge
amount that in stake if he will take his chance to call for a rematch in the same weight level.

Let's see if how they will take that, but for the meantime let's move back to Caleb and Benavidez.

It's a huge gamble for Canelo because he suffered defeat during his attempt, but who knows maybe in the 2nd try he'll succeed.

Again, it will be on his side to call for that rematch, if he thinks or the camp thinks that he got his winning chance, then they will proceed.

[stadus]

Eddie Hearn's idea is nuts. He wants Dmitry Bivol to drain down to 168 from 175. That is not going to happen anyway. Bivol will refuse it outright. He would rather stay at 175 and face Artur Beterbiev. The idea of being undisputed at both 168 and 175 may sound very promising, but I am sure that Bivol is intelligent enough to understand the trap that is being laid for him here. IMO, Canelo should focus on fighting John Ryder first, and after that he should fight the winner of the Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez match.

And Bivol hasn't fought in 168 lbs, he was a natural Light HW since the beginning of his career, so we know what Hearn or Canelo is thinking here, to drain Bivol in their rematch to get all the advantage and at least assure of them of a big win. So the ball is on the court of Bivol and his team, if they are going to succumb to the pressures or just simply look for other fight at 175 lbs.

And as I have said, if the Bivol fight is not going to happen, they will pick an easy fight and that could be John Ryder.

On the other hand, Plant vs Benavidez is not a snoozer, Plant's knockout of Dirrell is knockout of the year for me. So he will be riding on this momentum to have a big knockout win and repeat that act, if he can against David.

But Bivol won't be risking his title if he will fight Canelo at 168 lbs, the interesting question for this, is Canelo willing to risk his titles on the line just for the sake of getting a higher chance against Bivol? I don't think that's a good idea, really. They are saying that Bivol should visit Canelo at his division, but what if Bivol will agree and will make the weight.

They should just approach the rematch at Bivol's division and not the opposite because Canelo has nothing to lose anymore, it will be a money fight for their camp without any risks and Canelo will benefit either way as well because he will get a belt if he can pull a win in this rematch.

What if Bivol will do that and try snatching Canelo's belt? It's not by far since Bivol can take that weight and he can continue doing
the same fighting style or maybe he can be more fit.

I get your point and the possibility that Canelo will move up for the sake of money is higher, nothing to lose, but there's a huge
amount that in stake if he will take his chance to call for a rematch in the same weight level.

Let's see if how they will take that, but for the meantime let's move back to Caleb and Benavidez.

They really need to think it thoroughly and carefully because it will be an expensive mistake if they will decide to contest the fight at 168 lbs. rather than making the fight happen where their first encounter happened. The risks is just too great for Canelo Alvarez to bear, he doesn't have to prove anything anymore.

Back to the topic, it's much interesting to see if Canelo will give the winner of this bout to face him this year after Canelo's tune-up fight with Ryder and having said that, I'm more inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo rather than Plant vs Canelo as there won't be any difference if these two will meet again.

[Kemarit]

^^ Everyone here is inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo, it will be a fresh challenge for the cash cow and so it will be interesting how he will deal with the youth of Benavidez and the speed and the power as well (although David is flat footed).

And I'm thinking that if Plant wins here, Canelo will not give him another opportunity.

He might go directly with Bivol again, regardless if the weight is 168-175 lbs. Bivol is more willing to fight Canelo at this point for his legacy.

[freedomgo]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

As far as I know, Eddie Hearn and Canelo Alvarez's camp have said last year that Canelo won't be fighting a direct heavy opponent after his surgery because they needed to get him back to his feet first just to be safe and that he will be given a tune-up fight before he decides to face the winner of Plant-Benavidez fight or go for a rematch with Bivol. So, I'm thinking that maybe this is what they meant that time because John Ryder is not that kind of a risk to Canelo's throne, but I found out that Ryder have the WBO interim belt which kind of confusing.

Probably, but let's see how Canelo critics will take this, for sure they will give a lot of negative press for Canelo in he chooses this fighter. Which I had to admit I have to check his boxrec to see if he is worthy.

So he is the interim WBO belt, but it doesn't matter, but now we all know what they are fighting him. It's because of his injury and yeah probably a tune up and test how his hands were after the surgery. Maybe after this one he will fight either Bivol or the winner here. Canelo as well said that he wants to fight 3x a year so that is about the possibility for this year or at least 3x fight within 12 months.

Well, if Canelo can manage to make this tune-up fight happen before the 1st quarter of this year ends then I think he can do three fights this year. But that still depends though if how this fight will turns out because this is still a test for Canelo to see if his hands are working fine or should he needed some more rest to recover from the surgery. Either way, he will be fighting the winner of this fight or Bivol, that's for sure. The question is, who will be fighting first.

I agree, but for sure when he will fight when there is a green light from his doctor. But nevertheless it's a big risk for him as it might reoccur and that's why they are thinking of having just a easy and get busy fight with Ryder, (assuming this will be the case).

If Bivol decided to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo then for sure the belt of Canelo will be on the line, otherwise it's no point for Bivol to go down to 168 lbs because that is a big risk for him.

Yes, that's Canelo's scenario for now because he have to watch his wrist first if it's already healed or not. He's quite older already so the tissues are not that healing fast compared to a boxer in the midst of his 20s. I just hope there would be no delay because I still wanted to see Canelo dance during his prime years and fight the heavy names in the industry that are after him.

If Bivol decided to go down to 168 lbs and fight Canelo then for sure the belt of Canelo will be on the line, otherwise it's no point for Bivol to go down to 168 lbs because that is a big risk for him.

That's true! Whether if it's super-middle or light-heavy, there will be a belt for sure. But Canelo got more risk because he got 4 in the line unlike Bivol where only got 1 title to risk. Anyway, we will see how things will turn out soon enough.

[stadus]

^^ Everyone here is inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo, it will be a fresh challenge for the cash cow and so it will be interesting how he will deal with the youth of Benavidez and the speed and the power as well (although David is flat footed).

And I'm thinking that if Plant wins here, Canelo will not give him another opportunity.

He might go directly with Bivol again, regardless if the weight is 168-175 lbs. Bivol is more willing to fight Canelo at this point for his legacy.

Yes, because that will be a new sight to see and aside from that, David actually got the upper hand between him and Plant (even if he's a flat footed). David already proved himself that his time has already come to have bite against the champion and Plant is the last hurdle before he can actually face Canelo. But if ever it turns out that Caleb Plant will be the winner here, there will no hype from him to chase Canelo because people are not expecting anything from him anymore. Straight fact, he's already done.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

For me, Canelo is really picking daisies and rose petals, first of all he wants to have a lot of attention, that's something obvious, just with what he did in the World Cup with Messi, I realized that what he wants is to have a lot of fame, but sometimes it seems to me something infallible what he does and that is not the right way, perhaps that is why 'Bivol does not want to give him a rematch because what Bivol wants is something more serious, he wants titles, he wants to promote, and obviously with Canelo he will only have a rematch , it will not give him more, on the contrary if Bivol loses, he will lose many of the things he has won, in part I understand what Bivol is. Plan and Benevidez are very different things, it is another case and things look different.

Eddie Hearn's idea is nuts. He wants Dmitry Bivol to drain down to 168 from 175. That is not going to happen anyway. Bivol will refuse it outright. He would rather stay at 175 and face Artur Beterbiev. The idea of being undisputed at both 168 and 175 may sound very promising, but I am sure that Bivol is intelligent enough to understand the trap that is being laid for him here. IMO, Canelo should focus on fighting John Ryder first, and after that he should fight the winner of the Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez match.

And Bivol hasn't fought in 168 lbs, he was a natural Light HW since the beginning of his career, so we know what Hearn or Canelo is thinking here, to drain Bivol in their rematch to get all the advantage and at least assure of them of a big win. So the ball is on the court of Bivol and his team, if they are going to succumb to the pressures or just simply look for other fight at 175 lbs.

And as I have said, if the Bivol fight is not going to happen, they will pick an easy fight and that could be John Ryder.

On the other hand, Plant vs Benavidez is not a snoozer, Plant's knockout of Dirrell is knockout of the year for me. So he will be riding on this momentum to have a big knockout win and repeat that act, if he can against David.

But Bivol won't be risking his title if he will fight Canelo at 168 lbs, the interesting question for this, is Canelo willing to risk his titles on the line just for the sake of getting a higher chance against Bivol? I don't think that's a good idea, really. They are saying that Bivol should visit Canelo at his division, but what if Bivol will agree and will make the weight.

They should just approach the rematch at Bivol's division and not the opposite because Canelo has nothing to lose anymore, it will be a money fight for their camp without any risks and Canelo will benefit either way as well because he will get a belt if he can pull a win in this rematch.

What if Bivol will do that and try snatching Canelo's belt? It's not by far since Bivol can take that weight and he can continue doing
the same fighting style or maybe he can be more fit.

I get your point and the possibility that Canelo will move up for the sake of money is higher, nothing to lose, but there's a huge
amount that in stake if he will take his chance to call for a rematch in the same weight level.

Let's see if how they will take that, but for the meantime let's move back to Caleb and Benavidez.

Well, I don't know, but apparently Canelo has once again given something to talk about, for his part, I don't even know if Bivol would give him a rematch, if he already went up and sees that it is convenient for him to fight Canelo, he will, otherwise I don't know if he accepts, he what he thinks is that he already beat him, so he has already passed that stage, he would have to have a lot of audience, a lot of demand to be able to fight with him and obviously they give him a lot of money, for his part now well with Benavidez And Caleb still have My doubts, I don't know who I could lean toward, some go squarely with Caleb, but due to everything he has said, there has been speculation, and in some boxing forums it is not clear to me when making a good bet.

Daily Bread Mailbag: Artur Beterbiev, Plant-Benavidez, Jaron Ennis, More

The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edward tackling topics such as unified light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev, Caleb Plant vs. David Benavidez, Jaron Ennis, the WBC's direction on transgender athletes, and more.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-artur-beterbiev-plant-benavidez-jaron-ennis-more--171640

[Sithara007]

^^ Everyone here is inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo, it will be a fresh challenge for the cash cow and so it will be interesting how he will deal with the youth of Benavidez and the speed and the power as well (although David is flat footed).

And I'm thinking that if Plant wins here, Canelo will not give him another opportunity.

He might go directly with Bivol again, regardless if the weight is 168-175 lbs. Bivol is more willing to fight Canelo at this point for his legacy.

I am not sure regarding Bivol. First of all, he is not happy about not receiving the purse for his fight against Canelo that happened last year. The payment was frozen as a result of US sanctions against Russian athletes and as far as I know Bivol hasn't received a penny yet. And secondly it is funny that Canelo wants Bivol to drain down to 168 lb. Why should Bivol do that? Canelo already lost to Bivol and now it is the former's responsibility to set up a re-match. I don't think that Bivol would agree to move the fight from 175 lb. The risk is too large and there is almost zero reward in offer.

[Hypnosis00]

^^ Everyone here is inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo, it will be a fresh challenge for the cash cow and so it will be interesting how he will deal with the youth of Benavidez and the speed and the power as well (although David is flat footed).

And I'm thinking that if Plant wins here, Canelo will not give him another opportunity.

He might go directly with Bivol again, regardless if the weight is 168-175 lbs. Bivol is more willing to fight Canelo at this point for his legacy.

I am not sure regarding Bivol. First of all, he is not happy about not receiving the purse for his fight against Canelo that happened last year. The payment was frozen as a result of US sanctions against Russian athletes and as far as I know Bivol hasn't received a penny yet. And secondly it is funny that Canelo wants Bivol to drain down to 168 lb. Why should Bivol do that? Canelo already lost to Bivol and now it is the former's responsibility to set up a re-match. I don't think that Bivol would agree to move the fight from 175 lb. The risk is too large and there is almost zero reward in offer.

By saying it's frozen, does it mean there's still a chance that they will give that winning at the right time? And about that sanction, is it still on until now? I know everyone wants to see a rematch between him and Canelo, but with that kind of sanctions, what kind of reward he will get if he wins?

[inthelongrun]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

For me, Canelo is really picking daisies and rose petals, first of all he wants to have a lot of attention, that's something obvious, just with what he did in the World Cup with Messi, I realized that what he wants is to have a lot of fame, but sometimes it seems to me something infallible what he does and that is not the right way, perhaps that is why 'Bivol does not want to give him a rematch because what Bivol wants is something more serious, he wants titles, he wants to promote, and obviously with Canelo he will only have a rematch , it will not give him more, on the contrary if Bivol loses, he will lose many of the things he has won, in part I understand what Bivol is. Plan and Benevidez are very different things, it is another case and things look different.

Damn! No more John Ryder, please. Canelo already cherry-picked him before and the fight was not even close. If Canelo wants a tune-up, he should pick a new name, maybe someone undefeated but unproven at the higher level.

I read somewhere that after the tune-up, the plan is for Canelo to defend his undisputed belts against Bivol. Lately, Bivol already said that he is willing to drop down in weight for Canelo's undisputed belts at 168.

And I doubt that the corrupt WBC will strip the biggest name in boxing for not fighting the winner of Benavidez-Plant. These sanctioning belts especially the WBA and WBC are money first before following their rules. That is why they intentionally put special cases and exemptions in their own rules to cater to their interests. Bivol-Canelo rematch combined purse may be worth $60 million or more. A simple cut of 2% to 3% is over a million dollars. That's a lot of money for Mauricio Sulaiman to miss.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

^^ Everyone here is inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo, it will be a fresh challenge for the cash cow and so it will be interesting how he will deal with the youth of Benavidez and the speed and the power as well (although David is flat footed).

And I'm thinking that if Plant wins here, Canelo will not give him another opportunity.

He might go directly with Bivol again, regardless if the weight is 168-175 lbs. Bivol is more willing to fight Canelo at this point for his legacy.

I am not sure regarding Bivol. First of all, he is not happy about not receiving the purse for his fight against Canelo that happened last year. The payment was frozen as a result of US sanctions against Russian athletes and as far as I know Bivol hasn't received a penny yet. And secondly it is funny that Canelo wants Bivol to drain down to 168 lb. Why should Bivol do that? Canelo already lost to Bivol and now it is the former's responsibility to set up a re-match. I don't think that Bivol would agree to move the fight from 175 lb. The risk is too large and there is almost zero reward in offer.

Well the only reason that Bivol will fight Canelo at 168 lbs is that if there is a belt on the line.

“Of course,” said Bivol when asked if he’d be willing to fight Canelo Alvarez at 168 for the rematch next September. “My weight right now is 185. Maximum, 190.”

“At least it would be a challenge for Dmitry and a motivation because if you did it again at 175, would it be interesting anymore?” “Yeah, it’s interesting to fight for belts. To fight at 168 for belts, it’s good. 175, he [Canelo] said, ‘It’s not my weight class,’ is the first thing I heard. Okay, it’s not your weight class. If you want a rematch, let’s talk about 168.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/dmitry-bivol-still-wants-to-fight-canelo-for-his-168-lb-belts/

So the Russian want's a challenge, but as he had he is walking around 195 lbs, so that is a huge drop on weight for him if he will agree to fight Canelo at 168 lbs with Canelo's belt on the line. And he could be the only person to beat him twice in different weight categories.

[Baofeng]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

For me, Canelo is really picking daisies and rose petals, first of all he wants to have a lot of attention, that's something obvious, just with what he did in the World Cup with Messi, I realized that what he wants is to have a lot of fame, but sometimes it seems to me something infallible what he does and that is not the right way, perhaps that is why 'Bivol does not want to give him a rematch because what Bivol wants is something more serious, he wants titles, he wants to promote, and obviously with Canelo he will only have a rematch , it will not give him more, on the contrary if Bivol loses, he will lose many of the things he has won, in part I understand what Bivol is. Plan and Benevidez are very different things, it is another case and things look different.

Damn! No more John Ryder, please. Canelo already cherry-picked him before and the fight was not even close. If Canelo wants a tune-up, he should pick a new name, maybe someone undefeated but unproven at the higher level.

I read somewhere that after the tune-up, the plan is for Canelo to defend his undisputed belts against Bivol. Lately, Bivol already said that he is willing to drop down in weight for Canelo's undisputed belts at 168.

True, Bivol said he is willing to go down to 168 lbs as long as Canelo will put his belt on the line for him. So maybe that is the greatness that Bivol is chasing then, for the money and for his legacy, beating 2x Canelo and then taking his super middle weight belt.

And I doubt that the corrupt WBC will strip the biggest name in boxing for not fighting the winner of Benavidez-Plant. These sanctioning belts especially the WBA and WBC are money first before following their rules. That is why they intentionally put special cases and exemptions in their own rules to cater to their interests. Bivol-Canelo rematch combined purse may be worth $60 million or more. A simple cut of 2% to 3% is over a million dollars. That's a lot of money for Mauricio Sulaiman to miss.

I also doubt that, Sulaiman has been Canelo dick in his mouth, and so he will get everything that Canelo requested. Remember that 2 years ago in their yearly WBC convention Canelo requested that he wants to go as to Cruiserweight and challenge Makabu, and without a heartbeat, Sulaiman says yes to the proposal although it didn't happen as Canelo chooses Bivol which backfire on him.

[Kemarit]

^^ Everyone here is inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo, it will be a fresh challenge for the cash cow and so it will be interesting how he will deal with the youth of Benavidez and the speed and the power as well (although David is flat footed).

And I'm thinking that if Plant wins here, Canelo will not give him another opportunity.

He might go directly with Bivol again, regardless if the weight is 168-175 lbs. Bivol is more willing to fight Canelo at this point for his legacy.

Yes, because that will be a new sight to see and aside from that, David actually got the upper hand between him and Plant (even if he's a flat footed). David already proved himself that his time has already come to have bite against the champion and Plant is the last hurdle before he can actually face Canelo. But if ever it turns out that Caleb Plant will be the winner here, there will no hype from him to chase Canelo because people are not expecting anything from him anymore. Straight fact, he's already done.

Yes and that's what majority here wanted Benavidez to win against Caleb so that we will not see him against Canelo the second time around. And maybe Canelo will be motivated facing a young challenger in Benavidez for him. It's like turning the tide, now Canelo is the more experience one and some young challenger trying to get his belt. So hopefully all the scenario that we wanted to see will happen, David Benavidez winning with a statement, then Canelo willing to give him the chance.

[bbc.reporter]

@Boafeng, @bisdak and the other boxing experts in the forum. What would a victory bring for Benavidez? Does this make him the next mandatory challenger vs. Canelo Alvarez? There were some articles that mentioned Canelo wants a rematch vs. Bivol but Bivol wants a light heavyweight unification fight vs. Beterbiev. This might be head shaking and it might make it appear that Canelo is afraid to risk his championship status in a fight against Benavidez hehe.

What are your speculations or predictions?

[inthelongrun]

And I doubt that the corrupt WBC will strip the biggest name in boxing for not fighting the winner of Benavidez-Plant. These sanctioning belts especially the WBA and WBC are money first before following their rules. That is why they intentionally put special cases and exemptions in their own rules to cater to their interests. Bivol-Canelo rematch combined purse may be worth $60 million or more. A simple cut of 2% to 3% is over a million dollars. That's a lot of money for Mauricio Sulaiman to miss.

I also doubt that, Sulaiman has been Canelo dick in his mouth, and so he will get everything that Canelo requested. Remember that 2 years ago in their yearly WBC convention Canelo requested that he wants to go as to Cruiserweight and challenge Makabu, and without a heartbeat, Sulaiman says yes to the proposal although it didn't happen as Canelo chooses Bivol which backfire on him.

As always. Sulaiman will do everything in the name of money. I actually wished it would've happened. Makabu is short in the division which is probably the reason why Canelo considered him but it also means the guy is bulky. Makabu is not that fast but he is heavy-handed. Maybe Canelo will lead in the scores but it's a 12-round fight. Sooner or later Makabu should be able to hit Canelo with some of his bombs because the Mexican is not that fast either. And I doubt Canelo can take bombs from a KO artist at cruiserweight.

@Boafeng, @bisdak and the other boxing experts in the forum. What would a victory bring for Benavidez? Does this make him the next mandatory challenger vs. Canelo Alvarez? There were some articles that mentioned Canelo wants a rematch vs. Bivol but Bivol wants a light heavyweight unification fight vs. Beterbiev. This might be head shaking and it might make it appear that Canelo is afraid to risk his championship status in a fight against Benavidez hehe.

What are your speculations or predictions?

I am not an expert but the WBC interim should be used only when the champion is injured or if the champion has a legit excuse. And Canelo was not injured nor has a valid excuse to defend his belts from his mandatories. Instead of issuing the interim belt, the WBC should've made Benavidez mandatory right away. This is a way of prolonging a mandatory on Canelo and allowing him to pick his fights. Benavidez no doubt has a legit claim on the belt since he was the former champion and only lost it because he failed to make the weight. And since he wants to remain in the same division, then the race for the sanctioning bodies to give him a high ranking or mandatory is on. And Benavidez is the 2nd biggest name in the division after Canelo. The interim allowed the WBC to take a grip on Benavidez (the WBC will take a cut on its purse), otherwise, the other sanctioning bodies (WBA, IBF, and WBO) will be the ones giving Benavidez an eliminator or an automatic mandatory.

Usually, the WBC is always accommodating to superstars because of the money they bring. And Canelo is one of them. There was a time though when the WBC under huge pressure from the boxing community finally issued Canelo to face GGG who's been campaigning to unify all 4 belts. The result was either Canelo was stripped or he voluntarily vacated the belt. We will see if the WBC will do that again. IMO, Benavidez is nowhere near the level of GGG's stardom which means the WBC will make a way to buy time if Canelo won't accept the mando. The excuse the WBC will use is probably Canelo's injury that he needs a tune-up and the next excuse is the rematch clause between Canelo and Bivol whom I believe is already expired and the contract was at 175 but the WBC will make it legit since Bivol agrees to the rematch at 168.