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[jackjack]

I don't think killing the interest of people only interested in profit through altcoins would be bad for Bitcoin...

I'm with you on that I was talking about nuking the whole section and then banning all altcoin related discussion
It still's needs a place for people to talk about it but with more effective cleaning and moderation from users who want to touch that board.

Indeed that's seems reasonable.
To be honest I don't see what kind of threads should be kept though. Every altcoin-related thread on bitcointalk is either "BUY XCOIN IT'S THE BITCOIN KILLER", "SELL YCOIN, IT'S A SCAM!!! 1!11", or "[ANN] ZCOIN: THE FUTURE OF CRYPTOCYBERCURRENCIES"
But yeah keeping a highly moderated altcoin subforum would prevent people from posting altcoin thread all over bitcointalk


Edit: I just saw that there's no mod anymore on the altcoin subforum? Am I right seeing right? If so, why?

[hilariousandco]

Here is a perfect example. Go to the Altcoin section right now.
There is a guy who made 4 threads about Monero being a scam, he and a few others are chatting up them with pure nonsense.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751124.msg8477661#msg8477661
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8477693#msg8477693

Don't get me wrong. I'm not an active Monero supporter or anything. This is just one of the reasons why the cleanup and banning should be very aggressive. I don't even want to report such reports because of 2 reasons: 1) nobody will attend my report; 2) will probably be rejected, but the moderator is too soft.

I'm not sure what you mean by rejected but the least that will happen to it is it'll get 'ignored' by a few mods, but I handle reports when they come in from the alt section but obviously can only handle reports against newbies currently so can't vouch for what will happen to the others.

As much as I don't care for that section I don't think we should get rid of it, but a few dedicated mods should probably be added to help keep order.

[BitCoinDream]

I agree it needs cleaning up but Nuking it? You should think twice before you make a Decision like that because it will No doubt hurt this Forum and bitcoin itself.   All the altcoins end up being traded for BTC and spurs market activity and price with all the sales. If you Nuke the alt forum on the worlds most popular BTC site then you will drive BTC prices lower and lose tons of people. look at these stats.


      
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How many users do you think would drop from this site if you Nuke that area?  Think about your investments think about your BTC value.   I think if you nuke it the BTC price drops over a $100 in the first week.

Like it or not it would hurt everyone.  I say clean it up but leave it.

Nuking the whole altcoin section will lower than number of posts and number of active members here, but why will the bitcoin price drop by 20%? 

2.4 million posts...1/4 of all Bitcointalk.org posts. Yes nuking it will kill BTC this is the worlds first stop regarding BTC  and altcoins when you nuke 1/4 of the users and their interests in altcoins then BTC suffers. It's as simple as that.

2.4 millions posts strongly suggest that people who are interested in bitcoin and want to earn it through Altcoins suggests we leave it alone. Altcoins=BTC profitability in the long run.   How many people are rushing to Exchanges to trade cash for BTC when it is still very limited as to where and who accepts it?   They Exchange cash for BTC in hopes to buy and sell crap altcoins for a profit not to HODL. I buy and sell crappy Altcoins for profit knowing people will buy higher and i sell for profit.
Sorry

Sorry to disagree with u. It seems that u have a misconception that Bitcoin price has a big effect of BitcoinTalk. NO. Reverse is true. Bitcoin price jumping results in lots of discussion in BitcoinTalk. And, at a time, when Google venture to Y-combinator are backing Bitcoin businesses, Alt coin section will have negligible effect on Bitcoin price. So Alt coin section does not need to stay for Bitcoin. It is to stay to add spice to BitcoinTalk

[Lauda]

I'm not sure what you mean by rejected but the least that will happen to it is it'll get 'ignored' by a few mods, but I handle reports when they come in from the alt section but obviously can only handle reports against newbies currently so can't vouch for what will happen to the others.

As much as I don't care for that section I don't think we should get rid of it, but a few dedicated mods should probably be added to help keep order.

Invalid or how do you call it?
Anyways I've been carefully of what I've been reporting there yet had a 2% decrease in accuracy. It's a shame that one can't see the status of all their reports.

[hilariousandco]

You won't get a bad report just for merely reporting an infringing post in the alt coin section unless it is of course an invalid report, but I agree we should be able to see a brief history at least of the status of our reports. It's been suggested a few times and I hope it is included in the new forum.

[BitCoinDream]

I'm not sure what you mean by rejected but the least that will happen to it is it'll get 'ignored' by a few mods, but I handle reports when they come in from the alt section but obviously can only handle reports against newbies currently so can't vouch for what will happen to the others.

As much as I don't care for that section I don't think we should get rid of it, but a few dedicated mods should probably be added to help keep order.

Invalid or how do you call it?
Anyways I've been carefully of what I've been reporting there yet had a 2% decrease in accuracy. It's a shame that one can't see the status of all their reports.

U might consider to raise your voice here regarding this issue => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740575.0

This is seriously become a trouble for those who report posts and I think the basic that I have asked for is not that difficult.

[malevolent]

I'm not sure what you mean by rejected but the least that will happen to it is it'll get 'ignored' by a few mods, but I handle reports when they come in from the alt section but obviously can only handle reports against newbies currently so can't vouch for what will happen to the others.

As much as I don't care for that section I don't think we should get rid of it, but a few dedicated mods should probably be added to help keep order.

Invalid or how do you call it?
Anyways I've been carefully of what I've been reporting there yet had a 2% decrease in accuracy. It's a shame that one can't see the status of all their reports.

If it's ignored it's not "invalid" (unless it was marked as "bad").

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751124.msg8477661#msg8477661
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8477693#msg8477693

Trashed the first one, deleted some useless replies in the second one.

[Muhammed Zakir]

BCX requested to make him an admin there. I think it would be great if you make him an admin and look how he doing. A decision should be taken very ghastly.

Kindly,
        MZ

[Lauda]

If it's ignored it's not "invalid" (unless it was marked as "bad").

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751124.msg8477661#msg8477661
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8477693#msg8477693

Trashed the first one, deleted some useless replies in the second one.

Well I'm assuming some were marked bad as my percentage went down. Thank you for clearing those up.

BCX requested to make him an admin there. I think it would be great if you make him an admin and look how he doing. A decision should be taken very ghastly.
Kindly,
        MZ

You mean to make him a moderator?
Indeed he did, but was denied and sadly Theymos stated that he does not see the need for more moderation over there.

[Yuki1988]

Well I'm assuming some were marked bad as my percentage went down. Thank you for clearing those up.

BCX requested to make him an admin there. I think it would be great if you make him an admin and look how he doing. A decision should be taken very ghastly.
Kindly,
        MZ

You mean to make him a moderator?
Indeed he did, but was denied and sadly Theymos stated that he does not see the need for more moderation over there.

Yup theymos doesn't quite agree with the idea that we need more moderation in the altcoin section, or may be he has a better candidate for altcoin mod in his mind.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=729834.msg8408630#msg8408630

I tend to trust BitcoinEXpress's intentions, and I think that he would be reasonably impartial, but I'm not convinced that the altcoin section needs more moderation, and I'm not convinced that BitcoinEXpress would be the best possible moderator there in any case.

[Lauda]

You won't get a bad report just for merely reporting an infringing post in the alt coin section unless it is of course an invalid report, but I agree we should be able to see a brief history at least of the status of our reports. It's been suggested a few times and I hope it is included in the new forum.

It dropped again. That's the problem with the lack of status of the reports. My % went up quite nicely because I was reporting only what I though was 100% against the rules. Now I'm wondering where I am/was wrong. There is no way to improve without actually knowing where I made a mistake, correct?

Also what happens when 2 persons report a thread, and report from person A get handled. What happens to the report of person B?

[BadBear]

Also what happens when 2 persons report a thread, and report from person A get handled. What happens to the report of person B?

Stays pending until marked as handled.

A couple of your bad reports were for pool advertising, but they were from several months ago, rule didn't exist then and we aren't going to delete them all. Another was this thread, saying it has nothing to do with altcoins, but payment is in altcoins, so it belongs in alt currency marketplace. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=747343.msg8443956#msg8443956

[Lauda]

Stays pending until marked as handled.

A couple of your bad reports were for pool advertising, but they were from several months ago, rule didn't exist then and we aren't going to delete them all. Another was this thread, saying it has nothing to do with altcoins, but payment is in altcoins, so it belongs in alt currency marketplace. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=747343.msg8443956#msg8443956

Well let's say I report thread X to be moved to forum Z. If it was already moved and my report gets handled later? What does it get marked as?
Ah that must have been my bad then I didn't check the dates correctly. C2 is an altcoin?

Thank you for the feedback. Now push theymos for the interface.  

When someone makes a post that contains something like ' ' only. Is that classified as spam/useless post? I'd rather have a confirmation before reporting more.

[BadBear]

Well let's say I report thread X to be moved to forum Z. If it was already moved and my report gets handled later? What does it get marked as?

Depends. If you report a thread as "wrong section" or something like that, and it gets moved to the right section by a mod or the OP in between the time a mod checks it out then it may be marked as bad. Reports, and the handling of reports is never going to be 100% perfect, so agonizing over a few percentage points is pointless, there's a fairly large margin for error wrt report percentage for these reasons and others.  

Ah that must have been my bad then I didn't check the dates correctly. C2 is an altcoin?

I didn't know either, googling c2+altcoin answered that.

When someone makes a post that contains something like ' ' only. Is that classified as spam/useless post? I'd rather have a confirmation before reporting more.

Yes, posts like that should be deleted.

[Lauda]

When someone makes a post that contains something like ' ' only. Is that classified as spam/useless post? I'd rather have a confirmation before reporting more.

Yes, posts like that should be deleted.

Well isn't that kind of bad? I mean there is no way for a moderator to check if the reported post was already moderated (let's not watch the modlog here)? I guess the only solution for the person who is reporting it is that they write a bit more detailed description.
What's the maximum number of characters that fit in it?
Okay thank you for the input, just reported one.

[BadBear]

When someone makes a post that contains something like ' ' only. Is that classified as spam/useless post? I'd rather have a confirmation before reporting more.

Yes, posts like that should be deleted.

Well isn't that kind of bad? I mean there is no way for a moderator to check if the reported post was already moderated (let's not watch the modlog here)? I guess the only solution for the person who is reporting it is that they write a bit more detailed description.
What's the maximum number of characters that fit in it?
Okay thank you for the input, just reported one.

Reports for posts/threads that are deleted are autohandled. It's only an issue for moved threads (and a minor one at that), and autohandling reports just because a thread is moved is worse.

[s1lverbox]

easiest way is just to make swat team of moderators for all coin section and punish any scammer, spammer etc.

my two cents.

[BitCoinDream]

easiest way is just to make swat team of moderators for all coin section and punish any scammer, spammer etc.

my two cents.

Scam is not moderated at BitcoinTalk. Users are supposed to use their own instinct & logic to be safe from SCAM. Just yesterday I found a probable SCAM is developing in Services section. I dont have much to do except for silently watching people getting scammed.

[hilariousandco]

You don't just have to 'silently watch'. You can warm others by voicing your concerns and stating why you think it is or might be a scam etc. You can also leave negative feedback as a warning.

[RodeoX]

How bout a banner that says: "Almost every single thread in this section is part of a scam. You would be considered profoundly stupid to participate in any endeavor here."

You could also do what I do and just block the alt section. Its a ridiculous part of the forums and I don't see why bitcointalk has it. So many newbies get robbed there and then complain about how bitcoin is a scam.