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December 04, 2022, 02:37:07 PM
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It may look odd for most but it's really happening, and I've been introduced to gambling when I was younger and also under aged. I think the effect of it would last long until that young person grows up. He'll get to have many ideas in gambling and it's on him whether he's going to continue it or not. But as someone who's been introduced to it on a younger age, I wouldn't allow the younger ones that I know introduced on it, it will be a terrible idea and I don't know how they can bring themselves in and out on it.
What country OP talks about?
While these young guys have a chance to build their future, they have to avoid any kind of addiction and governments should be involved in such situations. Gambling companies have strict rules and most popular online sports bookies ask for KYC to verify a user's age. Having an interest in soccer is understandable, it is not a problem if they keep supporting the team they like most but making bets over teams will lead to addictions since their brain activity age is still going on to keep observing things around them. Banning underage gambling companies and arresting such resellers can save young gamblers, otherwise, gambling addiction will kick in sooner or later for the young generation.
I think it's Nigeria since that's where he's posting locally based on his post history. Even if the gambling companies will be strict with their implementing rules and policies about keeping away the minors. There are minors that are too persistent and want to keep gambling and hides under the wings of their parents identity. That's why it's hard to combat this issue whether the government intervenes or the casino becomes too hard on them but I guess, with those effort, there will be from little effect to major effect in the future.

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December 04, 2022, 03:33:39 PM
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It may look odd for most but it's really happening, and I've been introduced to gambling when I was younger and also under aged. I think the effect of it would last long until that young person grows up. He'll get to have many ideas in gambling and it's on him whether he's going to continue it or not. But as someone who's been introduced to it on a younger age, I wouldn't allow the younger ones that I know introduced on it, it will be a terrible idea and I don't know how they can bring themselves in and out on it.
What country OP talks about?
While these young guys have a chance to build their future, they have to avoid any kind of addiction and governments should be involved in such situations. Gambling companies have strict rules and most popular online sports bookies ask for KYC to verify a user's age. Having an interest in soccer is understandable, it is not a problem if they keep supporting the team they like most but making bets over teams will lead to addictions since their brain activity age is still going on to keep observing things around them. Banning underage gambling companies and arresting such resellers can save young gamblers, otherwise, gambling addiction will kick in sooner or later for the young generation.
I can tell you from experience that none of the gambling sites I used to register with offered me verification. That is, there were buttons confirming my age, but nothing more. So any underage user can play on gambling sites without any problem. And individual governments have no power to influence this. This is a really big problem with little mention of it.

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December 04, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
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There are many countries that not strictly imposing some of their laws and one of them is to not allow underage individuals to play in casinos, be it online or offline. In my country, I cannot remember when casino security personnel asked for IDs or asked people their age. But this is also similar to online crypto casinos that are not forcing their clients to do a KYC. In the end, it is the government that needs its laws to be enacted properly. Responsible gambling is a must.

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December 04, 2022, 05:03:15 PM
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I can tell you from experience that none of the gambling sites I used to register with offered me verification. That is, there were buttons confirming my age, but nothing more. So any underage user can play on gambling sites without any problem. And individual governments have no power to influence this. This is a really big problem with little mention of it.
Especially if it means users can use their cell phones freely and have an internet connection. They can browse almost any site without any problems and when they see a gambling ad, they can easily register and deposit money to play immediately. If they are asked to verify, they can also easily verify it. But crypto casinos can play without verifying because there are still some that don't ask users to verify directly. This needs serious attention from the government and parents to monitor how their children use their cell phones.

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Gambling is not a game of minor people. Some minor involved in the gambling by using the proxy Id. It should not be encouraged at any level. Some minor using the Id of their fathers, this happening with the gambling sites mandatory the kyc. This minor use the Id of their parents and the debit card of the parents. Many minor was captured after they used their parents cards and lost some millions. Till the usage of card with less money doesn’t affect the balance of the parents. So they won’t notify their loss till the statement he get from the bank account. At this stage, their children will totally addicted to the gambling.
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December 04, 2022, 06:03:43 PM
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under-age gambling.any side effects?  
Firstly gambling is a habit that becomes an addiction when not properly control and its really gonna eat you up likewise making you restless and not always focused on things you should do.

The  rate at which i see young minds and teens involved in the act of gambling in my area is really alarming and because of the poor regulatory bodies controlling the laws in my area they can't really do anything about this and its really affecting this young age.
Gambling has become a thing for everyone in my locality with out any age restrictions and am just curious If this is not going to cause side effects on this young gamblers.

Just the other day i was predicting  some games in the world cup in a betshop cause my network was bad so i can't stake online  so i decided to go to the betshop to place the bet, then to my shock i was boy aged around 14 to 15 years who came in and gave the cashier a booking code to place the bet and give him the coupon and the cashier collected and i was like isn't this too little to be involved in such acts.

And am just curious if this won't affect the person in times to come


Every time I see or hear of underage gambling, the adage that says "an idle mind is a devil's workshop" comes to mind. The underage children you see in such betting shops are sometimes the result of factors such as inadequate parental guidance, peer pressure within their group, the environment, and the gaming company and ads agencies. Let me explain in more detail:

1. Poor parental guidance: Parents are meant to be aware of their children's activities and to oversee what they do and where they go, but some parents, particularly those who work and have little or no time for their children, are very lenient in this regard.

2. Peer pressure: Some adolescents are carried away by the small amounts of money their peers make and are affected by it just to feel among, which is something parents should keep an eye on.

3. The environment we live in impacts us, and society determines the type of person we become without proper supervision, if the environment does not restrict gambling for children, it will surely be a major issue in society.

4. The way gambling firms and agencies advertise are too pushy. I understand that underage children are meant to have limits on internet exposure, but I don't think gambling advertisements should be on underage screens.

These are some of the few things that contribute to underage gambling, though with proper supervision, parents can minimise them.

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December 04, 2022, 06:14:52 PM
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And am just curious if this won't affect the person in times to come
I visit land casinos quite often, but i have never seen minors allowed in to visit, let alone want to place a bet, we live in a country where the rules for land casinos are really strict, as far as I know each country has special rules for visitors who want to bet.

I don't know, which country do you live in, what is clear is that children 14-15 years are not a good solution for them, it will have a bad impact on them now and in the future, the risk is bigger than what is seen at this time.

Sometimes, the minors you've seen, they visit the casino, actually it's not their fault, the casinos are blamed for letting them gamble, I think if such a case happens, my forecast is less adult visitors there, for that they allow their goal to get profits and assets regardless of the risks and effects that occur in the future because they allow minors.
This often vary country to country. Same goes on my country, you will rarely see minors on physical casinos however there are some casinos which allows minors on the premises as long as they are accompanied by an adult, and they cannot play any table or games, in short, they can only observe and watch games, but they cannot gamble.

If in any case, these minors have been allowed to gamble, then only the casino are at fault as they are the one who should not allow them to play.

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I can tell you from experience that none of the gambling sites I used to register with offered me verification. That is, there were buttons confirming my age, but nothing more. So any underage user can play on gambling sites without any problem. And individual governments have no power to influence this. This is a really big problem with little mention of it.
So what if the casino asked them to fill out a KYC form, would these kids use someone else's KYC to pass?
I never thought it was proper practice to be able to gamble because basically forcing myself to play under the age of 18 is a clear offence.

I disagree about kids being able to gamble without any restrictions, even if they manage to cheat the casino with other people's data then it is really not recommended. But anyway the casino will not mind it as long as gamblers are able to complete KYC when it is needed at any time.

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December 04, 2022, 06:49:41 PM
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I can tell you from experience that none of the gambling sites I used to register with offered me verification. That is, there were buttons confirming my age, but nothing more. So any underage user can play on gambling sites without any problem. And individual governments have no power to influence this. This is a really big problem with little mention of it.
So what if the casino asked them to fill out a KYC form, would these kids use someone else's KYC to pass?
I never thought it was proper practice to be able to gamble because basically forcing myself to play under the age of 18 is a clear offence.

I disagree about kids being able to gamble without any restrictions, even if they manage to cheat the casino with other people's data then it is really not recommended. But anyway the casino will not mind it as long as gamblers are able to complete KYC when it is needed at any time.
They will not need to cheat anyone. All they have to do is go to another site which might not ask for verification. There are now so many online crypto gambling sites with any choice of gambling products. And absolutely all sites use in their design beautiful cartoon graphics, which attracts more attention just from young people. Yes, probably the way out of such a situation would be the introduction of KYC.

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When you realize you have been gambling at school as a kid, not with money yes, but what is money if it aint its value, and school kids value bragging rights and pride.
 School kids who sometimes enjoy playing with other kids in forms of video games, or simple sports games.

And of course the state of euphoria when you come out as a champ.

This isn't gambling, this is competition, IMO.  Competition is way different than gambling unless money is involved as wagering on whoever comes out victorious.  This kind of activity involves the participant's self-esteem especially when they bet on their opponent in that competition.  The same way the defeated has the motivation to improve themselves in that category.  In short, this kind of activity renders a positive result for the participants.

While kids involving themselves in gambling games such as slots, dice, ect... will render themselves open to gambling addiction and that is not a good thing for kids.




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KYC is not a way to prevent under-age gamblers, lets be honest with each other because they are asking it from everyone whereas it could be like maybe 5% of all gamblers that are underage, probably less. So that is not the main way to prevent it, and they will just go to places that doesn't ask KYC and it's over.

The real reason why under-age gambling is a problem is also the same as underage drinking, smoking, sex, and everything else. It is just not something you can prevent and that's the trouble. As long as you can't prevent none of that, you can't prevent gambling neither. Some people will do things before they are allowed to, and you won't be stopping that at all.

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December 04, 2022, 07:41:44 PM
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KYC is not a way to prevent under-age gamblers, lets be honest with each other because they are asking it from everyone whereas it could be like maybe 5% of all gamblers that are underage, probably less. So that is not the main way to prevent it, and they will just go to places that doesn't ask KYC and it's over.

The real reason why under-age gambling is a problem is also the same as underage drinking, smoking, sex, and everything else. It is just not something you can prevent and that's the trouble. As long as you can't prevent none of that, you can't prevent gambling neither. Some people will do things before they are allowed to, and you won't be stopping that at all.

Exactly these rascals will always find ways to continue with this kind of activities even they are still not allowed to do so, we can't prevent it if we will not focus on it and try to limit those young folks.

Though it's another concern since limiting them will only push them to try other alternatives, like you said, even you place KYC those people
will just find other option other places that they can continue without any hassle with KYC.

It will continue and we just need to be alerted to avoid things to happen with our own family members.
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KYC is not a way to prevent under-age gamblers, lets be honest with each other because they are asking it from everyone whereas it could be like maybe 5% of all gamblers that are underage, probably less. So that is not the main way to prevent it, and they will just go to places that doesn't ask KYC and it's over.

The real reason why under-age gambling is a problem is also the same as underage drinking, smoking, sex, and everything else. It is just not something you can prevent and that's the trouble. As long as you can't prevent none of that, you can't prevent gambling neither. Some people will do things before they are allowed to, and you won't be stopping that at all.

Exactly these rascals will always find ways to continue with this kind of activities even they are still not allowed to do so, we can't prevent it if we will not focus on it and try to limit those young folks.

Though it's another concern since limiting them will only push them to try other alternatives, like you said, even you place KYC those people
will just find other option other places that they can continue without any hassle with KYC.

It will continue and we just need to be alerted to avoid things to happen with our own family members.
There's always a way and this is why we do keep on seeing or listening out this kind of news or situation where there are minors who do able to bypass out these platforms and able to play whether in online or offline casinos.This do really particularly pertains about house decision and verification process but we know that it can't really be that perfect.

It's true that it would always be that good on having a check into your children or kids on guiding them and advising on what are the cons of gambling which it'd never be that good.
Verification process is standard but we know that there are ways which it could be bypassed and let those youngsters do able to play.

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December 04, 2022, 08:58:08 PM
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KYC is not a way to prevent under-age gamblers, lets be honest with each other because they are asking it from everyone whereas it could be like maybe 5% of all gamblers that are underage, probably less. So that is not the main way to prevent it, and they will just go to places that doesn't ask KYC and it's over.

KYC is a measure at least, it will reduce some numbers of them to some certain extent but the crooks ones who are techy would know the crook's ways to overcome the KYC barrier without casinos knowing the real person behind an account.


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The real reason why under-age gambling is a problem is also the same as underage drinking, smoking, sex, and everything else. It is just not something you can prevent and that's the trouble. As long as you can't prevent none of that, you can't prevent gambling neither. Some people will do things before they are allowed to, and you won't be stopping that at all.

I beg to differ though, Sex, Alcohol consumption and smoking start from a stage and any serious parents see one of two of the symptoms of these addictions at an earlier stage, they just choose to ignore or don't do their part. There is Sex education for underage children, there are dangers of smoking for every parent to teach their children, there is also dangers of consumptions of alcohol to teach their children, the problem is that parent overlook these important things, if all these should have a remedy, then gambling can be set to the bearest minimum among underage children.

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December 04, 2022, 10:31:28 PM
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Gambling is not a game of minor people. Some minor involved in the gambling by using the proxy Id.It should not be encouraged at any level. Some minor using the Id of their fathers, this happening with the gambling sites mandatory the kyc. This minor use the Id of their parents and the debit card of the parents. Many minor was captured after they used their parents cards and lost some millions. Till the usage of card with less money doesn’t affect the balance of the parents. So they won’t notify their loss till the statement he get from the bank account. At this stage, their children will totally addicted to the gambling.
Gambling is not for the underage people. Nowadays most of the person into gambling were underaged ones. The technology advancement have given access to it. Underage people find it an easy thing as technology gives the convenience to gamble without restrictions. I find gaming addiction to be an serious issue with specific age group which might further turn to be gambling addiction.

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December 04, 2022, 11:27:23 PM
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Then how the hell did these 14-15 years old got money to gamble with? Regardless, these minors don't have that full encouragement yet to just push their gambling activity and with just a serious approach on them to apply strong restrictions, they will surely have that mindset to just follow.

Not all minors are dumb. They have that knowledge already to know what's right or wrong. It's just that they learning new things each while growing and gambling-related stuff are just around the corner. Now let's say that the said minor is showing bad habits because of gambling, it's the guardian's responsibility to take care of that thing.

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December 05, 2022, 05:03:45 AM
Last edit: December 05, 2022, 05:38:11 AM by Yogee
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.....then to my shock i was boy aged around 14 to 15 years who came in and gave the cashier a booking code to place the bet and give him the coupon and the cashier collected and i was like isn't this too little to be involved in such acts.
There are countries whose legal age is 16 and there may be others with lower number as their age of consent. I doubt the one or two-year age gap would really be that big of a factor when we talk about the "side effects" of gambling addiction at an early age.

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December 05, 2022, 05:24:01 AM
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.....then to my shock i was boy aged around 14 to 15 years who came in and gave the cashier a booking code to place the bet and give him the coupon and the cashier collected and i was like isn't this too little to be involved in such acts.
There are countries whose legal age is 16 and there may be others with lower number as their age of consent. I doubt the one or two-year age gap won't really be that big of a factor when we talk about the "side effects" of gambling addiction at an early age.


Our government is also pushing this legal age due to incidents involving minors, mostly 17 years old. It has really good aspects to have this 16- to 17-year-old legal age. At this generation's age, 16 to 17, people are more mature than they were in my time, and they are more curious about things that we parents can't stop.
Mostly, those side effects greatly affect those teens, as that is where they start learning what is really in the world, and this is also the time that teens get curious, which is where the addiction starts. 
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under-age gambling.any side effects?  
Firstly gambling is a habit that becomes an addiction when not properly control and its really gonna eat you up likewise making you restless and not always focused on things you should do.

The  rate at which i see young minds and teens involved in the act of gambling in my area is really alarming and because of the poor regulatory bodies controlling the laws in my area they can't really do anything about this and its really affecting this young age.
Gambling has become a thing for everyone in my locality with out any age restrictions and am just curious If this is not going to cause side effects on this young gamblers.

Just the other day i was predicting  some games in the world cup in a betshop cause my network was bad so i can't stake online  so i decided to go to the betshop to place the bet, then to my shock i was boy aged around 14 to 15 years who came in and gave the cashier a booking code to place the bet and give him the coupon and the cashier collected and i was like isn't this too little to be involved in such acts.

And am just curious if this won't affect the person in times to come



Minors are prohibited to gambling in most countries for a reason. It isn't imposed just because. There are many good reasons as to why underage people shouldn't engage in gambling. In my perspective, here are the things to consider valid grounds to not allow minors to be gamblers.

1. They are not yet good decision makers. Those people who are considered to be underage which are years 18 below do not really possess the necessary knowledge just yet when it comes to making decisions on their own. They still have to be guided by their parents or guardians because their brains aren't mature enough to make sound judgments needed in taking an action, most especially when it comes to gambling.

2. They still need to ask for their parent's consent. Related to number 1, this will prove that the minors cannot really move on their own just yet because of maturity reasons. They have to ask permission first before they can be allowed to do something or go to something. Since gambling could possess major risks in someone's life, a person who can't consent on their own and has to ask consent on their parents shouldn't be qualified and tolerated to be gambling.

3. They don't earn money just yet. Since they are underage, they definitely are still living in the same roof with their parents. Therefore, they still have no job/s to pay for their own meal or rent, nor even spend for the things they want to like. They are still relying on the allowances being given to them by their parents or guardians. In this case, someone must not use the money allocated for a certain thing which is important just to gamble. Using your parents' hard-earned money in betting is just pure disrespect.

4. They still have no enough concept about how the world works. Minors do not have the enough knowledge about financial management, risk assessment, risk analysis, and so on. They don't know the depth of possible repercussions the moment they engage in gambling. They have the idea of entertainment, fun, and winning money, but they don't have the idea about how to responsibly take care of them.

There are still so many reasons why minors shouldn't really be gambling on their youth. Their teenage years could be their formative years which could have an impact in the way they view life and the way how they will do things. Gambling shouldn't really be honed in those years. Instead of gambling, they should be learning about risk assessment and management, and financial literacy. So when they grew up, if ever they do want to engage in gambling in their adult years, they already have the necessary information which could help them stay in the right path and avoid being addicted in gambling.
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December 05, 2022, 06:06:21 AM
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Then how the hell did these 14-15 years old got money to gamble with? Regardless, these minors don't have that full encouragement yet to just push their gambling activity and with just a serious approach on them to apply strong restrictions, they will surely have that mindset to just follow.

Not all minors are dumb. They have that knowledge already to know what's right or wrong. It's just that they learning new things each while growing and gambling-related stuff are just around the corner. Now let's say that the said minor is showing bad habits because of gambling, it's the guardian's responsibility to take care of that thing.
That's true. Let's not always put the blame on the gambling sites, there's also the side of lack of responsibility from the parents or guardians of these underage kids.
Although, in the case of OP's story about the cashier making it possible for the kids to gamble is the gambling platform's mistake.
They could be sued for that.
I remember when I was still young and since I am too small, the cashier will always ask for my ID when I try to buy things that should only be allowed for 18+ age. i.e. cigarettes and alcohol. They should keep on reminding their employees about how big is at stake if ever they deal with a minor.

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