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December 04, 2022, 10:55:51 PM |
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I have recently meet a few people that are just not watching any football match of the World Cup because they feel that the Qatari government has ignored many of the most basic human rights. I already knew that in most emirates of the area, there are several classes of workers. The elite does not really work or they just manage at high level or do politics or get paid as "local partners" of foreign companies. A second level, Muslims but not of the elites are mid-managers. Europeans and Americans are despised, but they are necessary for skilled jobs. For example, if there is a queue for a restaurant, the locals will be seated first even if they arrive last. Obviously, Europeans are willing to put up with the shit but the price is two to three times their salaries at home.
An now we get to the last tier: Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Philippines,... the moment they arrive, their passports are taken from them and they are stuck in the country for periods of 5 or more years. No air conditioned in the barracks, misery salaries, medieval work conditions...
I do understand that some of us will decide not participating on this. The Cup is filled with blood.
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Sexylizzy2813
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December 05, 2022, 01:13:24 AM |
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There's nothing in this WORLD that politics has not gotten involved. Imagine the game of Football that's suppose to be a game of joy and happiness, bringing people together but as soon as politicians sees that opportunity on how they can get more money for there selfish reasons the whole thing turns out not just a game of football that brings happiness but how to make people suffer or even spoil the heart of men.
When they (government) take this world cup thing too personal it makes people who wishes to watch it to say NO to the government, and if you think of it over 400+ workers have lost there lives in this year's world cup but the government or should I say the politicians just kept mute or instead they only voice out there losses which they know quite alright that they can get x3 of what they invested, with all these happening I don't think some people will have that joy in participating or engaging themselves in watching this year's world as it happened back then in 2014 when Brazil was the host, they were having a massive protest even when the games were on.
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December 05, 2022, 01:14:33 AM |
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Regardless of the human rights issues the World Cup is still a must watch event in many nations and we will see record breaking viewership for this event. Hosting a major sporting event can be a huge financial burden for the host country and many times oppressive governments that are wealthy from oil revenue are the only ones willing to step up and organize these events. There would never be major sporting events if we only allowed countries with perfect records and who also have the necessary economic resources to be hosts.
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December 05, 2022, 06:42:45 AM |
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It's not like everyone has deliberately decided to boycott the world cup, but certain factors also played a role in their decision. Since Qatar is not in support of the LGBTQ community, as it is regarded as an immoral act in the Muslim Sharia law and security guards at the tournament are being deprived of some rights, naturally, the world cup would not look pleasurable and some view it as a tainted world cup. Personally, I don't think outright snubbing of the game would change the situation of things on ground but what is most mind boggling is where the Qatari organisers say the world cup is open for all and claim no one would be discriminated against, yet they remain adamant on laws against homosexuals. I mean, WTF?
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December 05, 2022, 07:33:45 AM |
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It's the same as other countries, they've got to focus to the grandest events that are happening in their countries because it will boost their entire economy.
While not looking at those current situations that the other side of the country is dealing with. People should just forget the World Cup if they want to and ignore it.
But they can't stop the flock and fans from different parts of the world to watch and support it.
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December 05, 2022, 08:44:42 AM |
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I do understand that some of us will decide not participating on this. The Cup is filled with blood.
FIFA made a very big blunder by giving Qatar the right to host this world cup. The news coming from that country since they grabbed the hosting rights is not pleasant. There have been reports of violation of the fundamental rights of immigrants workers. Injured workers in most construction sites have not received proper health care or compensations. But football is above religious and tribal sentiments. People would always watch matches because they want to support their country or enjoy the fun that football brings. It is true that some persons might choose to boycott the competition because of these abuses but the world cup is very attractive, hence very difficult push aside. Qatar prepared well for the competition but they also made the tournament less interesting and exciting because of some cultural and religious rules. I hope FIFA have learned from this mistake and should always carryout a comprehensive analysis of proposed host nations before host rights are given.
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December 05, 2022, 09:26:19 AM |
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It would take more than one nation to make people forget about the world cup. Yeah, a boycott by some population would help and having some pwople get to speak up but, it only helps to prevent future occurance on hosting the cup in areas where there are several rules that won't be accommodating of people of all religion.
Without even looking at the human rights part of it, how about the prohibition of alcohol situation. Like, we've got Budweiser as an official sponsors and from what I've heard and have been trying to notice, I haven't seen fans around the stadium, having a drink from the brand.
At most what they get is there name displayed on the screens and billboards. How do you make money off the population in Qatar then. I think that's some of the aims of sponsorship but No, not in Qatar with alcohol.
I understand its a Muslim nation and tradition but, as much as you've got rules of this nature and your trying to accommodate a population such as that, you've got to be open to different behaviours.
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December 05, 2022, 11:26:57 AM |
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There is nothing in life that politics has not affected, even religion. I said it elsewhere that politics controls the economy and that is why we have to be careful who we elect into office as leaders. The part where immigrants passports are seized from them once they get into Qatar is what should be looked into except if the immigrants from those countries you mentioned know about it before going there. Then that will be an agreement and it must be honored. If anyone is not watching this world cup because Qatar is the host, that person is only denying himself the excitement of the world cup. You are the one losing.
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December 06, 2022, 03:51:52 PM |
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Qatar is a Muslim country, if rejecting LGBTQ people is seen as violating human rights, then I would say that each region has its own rules. what do you do to people who don't respect the rules of the host? even the bitcointalk forum has its own rules, we don't have absolute freedom here (freedom what I mean is making spam posts, NSFW post, plagiarizing or threatening/insulting someone by posting).
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December 06, 2022, 05:20:32 PM |
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This topic could be more appropriate to the gambling section to me, going by the topic I think there could be more factors orbreasons to why some people may chose not to develop interest in it particularly, let's consider first of all that not everyone like football, secondly let's look at those who had been kick out at the cause of the tournament whereby their country couldn't made it to the finals and lastly it's not everyone that has the financial capacity to go to Qatar or watch online by streaming, the truth is there could be actually alot of reasons to why some may choose inparticipation.
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December 06, 2022, 06:10:00 PM |
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Forfeiting the world cup can bring a better lives to the people working in Qatar?
Yes they build 8 world class stadiums in just 12 years and there are some unofficial reports roaming around recently that 6500 workers died during these construction works while Qatar never agreed such huge numbers and also they say people who are injured or anything compensated with huge amount money which is somewhat true as far as I know.
Every government has their own rules for local and foreign workers and especially in middle east countries the salary given by companies to the workers are at the level of government decided but the truth is middle agents are taking most of their parts and throwing small chunks to actual workers.
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December 06, 2022, 08:10:38 PM |
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Personally, I enjoy watching the matches of the current World Cup, there are very interesting football confrontations. For example, Morocco's victory over Spain today was impressive and unexpected.
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December 07, 2022, 12:14:55 PM |
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I have recently meet a few people that are just not watching any football match of the World Cup because they feel that the Qatari government has ignored many of the most basic human rights. I already knew that in most emirates of the area, there are several classes of workers. The elite does not really work or they just manage at high level or do politics or get paid as "local partners" of foreign companies. A second level, Muslims but not of the elites are mid-managers. Europeans and Americans are despised, but they are necessary for skilled jobs. For example, if there is a queue for a restaurant, the locals will be seated first even if they arrive last. Obviously, Europeans are willing to put up with the shit but the price is two to three times their salaries at home.
An now we get to the last tier: Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Philippines,... the moment they arrive, their passports are taken from them and they are stuck in the country for periods of 5 or more years. No air conditioned in the barracks, misery salaries, medieval work conditions...
I do understand that some of us will decide not participating on this. The Cup is filled with blood.
All these are just allegations and most likely propaganda. Nobody has really brought proof that these things really happen. It's all hearsay. It's very hypocritical for people from Western countries to try and act like they're saints. Qatar has been hosting a very nice world cup since but since it was announced that Qatar would be the host of the world cup different people have been fighting them. Human rights are trampled on in every country of the world including the UK and US. Qatar never said you can't go to Qatar if you are gay, just don't bring flags and all what not. Whoever will not be watching the world cup should know that they would not be missed. Sports brings people together and so far in this world cup it has done that. You can use your platform to speak out against injustice but don't make accusations you can't defend.
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December 09, 2022, 11:01:41 AM |
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Regardless of the human rights issues the World Cup is still a must watch event in many nations and we will see record breaking viewership for this event. Hosting a major sporting event can be a huge financial burden for the host country and many times oppressive governments that are wealthy from oil revenue are the only ones willing to step up and organize these events. There would never be major sporting events if we only allowed countries with perfect records and who also have the necessary economic resources to be hosts.
.You're right; the world cup is a significant sporting event, and nothing should deter people from watching. People need to realize that every nation has its own cultural traditions and religious systems. Hosting the World Cup shouldn't force people to abandon these traditions and values. The world cup is about a month away, therefore everyone should get used to Qatar's prohibitions on certain items that go against their religious beliefs. After that, everyone can resume their regular activities.
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December 09, 2022, 04:27:50 PM |
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Personally, I don't think outright snubbing of the game would change the situation of things on ground but what is most mind boggling is where the Qatari organisers say the world cup is open for all and claim no one would be discriminated against, yet they remain adamant on laws against homosexuals. I mean, WTF?
Hey, it is there country and you don’t expect them to stop what they’re practicing the whole time for just few months of the World Cup. Do you know the after effect of it if they do so, No. Despite the fact that FIFA was aware that Qatar was a Muslim country, they granted them the right to host the World Cup. Let no country or external body impose regulations on individuals they do not govern. If you can't live by their rules, simply boycott it. It happens all across the world; you can't go to another country and decide to do whatever you want because your home country enables you to; you'll just end up behind bars for it.. If they don’t want it, then let it be. I understand its a Muslim nation and tradition but, as much as you've got rules of this nature and your trying to accommodate a population such as that, you've got to be open to different behaviours.
Let them be; it is their nation and their laws. They are free to do whatever they choose.
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December 12, 2022, 12:45:28 PM |
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Forfeiting the world cup can bring a better lives to the people working in Qatar?
Have you seen fortification bringing better lives to the people that did it in the end? Yes, every good deed always come with a prize to pay but in the end it is always worth it. Yes they build 8 world class stadiums in just 12 years and there are some unofficial reports roaming around recently that 6500 workers died during these construction works while Qatar never agreed such huge numbers and also they say people who are injured or anything compensated with huge amount money which is somewhat true as far as I know.
It is hard to know what is true about this story, yes the country can be strict with its rules and regulations but that doesn't mean they don't have human feelings. One thing we should know is that when things happened there are always some people that will always add their story to what really happen just to make some cash. Every government has their own rules for local and foreign workers and especially in middle east countries the salary given by companies to the workers are at the level of government decided but the truth is middle agents are taking most of their parts and throwing small chunks to actual workers.
Is it what's happening all over the world, the big brother sitting in his office with a cup of coffee and receiving the highest cut while the workers hired for the job execution are receiving pennies out of their own sweat. This is why some unions in Starbucks, rail workers, and the staff at The New York Times are somehow fighting for lately.
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December 12, 2022, 02:44:14 PM |
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Qatar is a Muslim country, if rejecting LGBTQ people is seen as violating human rights, then I would say that each region has its own rules. what do you do to people who don't respect the rules of the host? even the bitcointalk forum has its own rules, we don't have absolute freedom here (freedom what I mean is making spam posts, NSFW post, plagiarizing or threatening/insulting someone by posting).
Its their religion so it should be respected, Even region has what the tolerate within their country. I don't know if FIFA will look into all this before hosting the next world cup to make sure there are no religious limitations that could hinder the fun of the tournament. So far in the world cup all we see are fans who try to stay entertained despite the restrictions.
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Merit.s
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December 12, 2022, 04:23:16 PM |
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Anybody that is not watching the world cup is not a football freak or let me say fan,if not nothing is going to restrict you from having fun or entertaining yourself with the matches. The world cup is once in four years so if because of some other countries practice,you are depriving yourself from fun,it means that you don't love football at all. Religion should be respected but not using it to give excuse based on your personal reasons.
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December 12, 2022, 05:54:49 PM |
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If anything its broadcasting rights that are preventing me to watch. In my country not all matches were aired due to those restrictions. A couple of decades ago not just one but two separate free to air TV networks would show it. And no, I'm not paying premium whatever for it. Of the matches left it appears they will allow broadcast of the reminder except 3rd and 4th place match (the losers of the semi finals).
These big international sports events are good to show the rest of the world when some countries are restrictive. In the meantime the Morocco fans are making a mess in France, why don't they make a mess in their Kingdom? Also China learned that the rest of the world is no longer wearing masks or being quarantined inside their homes...
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vvikkass
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December 12, 2022, 07:46:12 PM |
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Regardless of the human rights issues the World Cup is still a must watch event in many nations and we will see record breaking viewership for this event. Hosting a major sporting event can be a huge financial burden for the host country and many times oppressive governments that are wealthy from oil revenue are the only ones willing to step up and organize these events. There would never be major sporting events if we only allowed countries with perfect records and who also have the necessary economic resources to be hosts.
.You're right; the world cup is a significant sporting event, and nothing should deter people from watching. People need to realize that every nation has its own cultural traditions and religious systems. Hosting the World Cup shouldn't force people to abandon these traditions and values. The world cup is about a month away, therefore everyone should get used to Qatar's prohibitions on certain items that go against their religious beliefs. After that, everyone can resume their regular activities. I would say when we go to Europe or USA we are bound to follow there rules. Then why not do the same in Qatar, honestly I don't see too much restriction in Qatar. Just there is a ban on alcohol consumption in grounds and that's giving a sense of security to females. Qatar has spent 234 billion usd for this World Cup, let's appreciate there efforts rather then criticising them.
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