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From a legal point of view, the bookmaker cannot close an account if the client has confirmed with a document. If he wants to have 100 accounts from one IP. I don't know why sportsbet is acting like a madman
You gotta be kidding right? This guy or gal win 18K USD for doing whatever shit that makes them increase there winning percentage through the use of multiple account. Sportsbet is known for easy and fast withdrawal no matter what the amount is. This guy violate the casino ToS and probably use it for there own advantage. Witnessing a case like this then follow up with another case from newbie prove the point of Steve that this people is part of an illegal group that target casino sportsbook. Hi You can't accuse me of fraud without any proof. I proved that I did not violated any rules. Steve presented me with an argument and I responded with my evidence. We are talking here by presenting evidence. It's frivolous to accuse people like you without proof. You should think twice before judging people in public. They showed some proof that you had other accounts and according to their ToS that is illegal. I don't agree with that if you are collecting no perks from multiple accounts, but you agree to their ToS when you create an account. Be happy you got some money back and quit being a loser. I have not collected no perks from my other (closed) accounts. I know that when I create an account, I accept their terms and conditions. According to their rule, condition 10.1, when the account is closed, the rules and conditions lose their validity. You can find it in the screenshot I attached. I'm lucky they gave me the money I deposited, right? They confiscated my $18919 money! are you kidding me? |
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holydarkness
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December 17, 2022, 07:14:41 AM Merited by TwitchySeal (10) |
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I can't understand some of your statements, because what you said on the opening post and the other posts that follows are rather inconsistent. I'll try to snip without changing the point of the statement. Statement made in screenshot will be written in qoted text with the link to the image source below them. Your earlier post will be marked in red and the statements that follows and contradicted it will be in scarlet. [In reply to the question if you have previously opened an account] Hello,
I don't have another account
Thank you https://i.hizliresim.com/4bvti8h.jpeg | https://i.hizliresim.com/ra9wuls.jpeg[Sportsbet's representative then mentioned several names they flagged and asked if you're familiar with them] You also flagged me for using multiple accounts. I don't want to misrepresent you. So, considering the possibility of any account that I have opened and forgotten before, when I try to enter with any password, I see that the accounts which you claim to have a connection with me in the previous email, are closed. I was really surprised by this situation. https://i.hizliresim.com/2r7lq7a.jpeg | https://i.hizliresim.com/lii5r58.jpeg[SB's representative explained the clause they deemed you've violated, not specific, but can be inferred that it's the point of multi-acc] From this earliest part of your evidence, we can conclude that you're sure you don't have any other accout, but in a good gesture and as you won't mislead --misrepresent, in your words-- SB's representative, you're open to a suggestion that there's a possibility you had those account mentioned and forgot about them, and you tried to log-in with your password. The situation you tried to paint here on the opening post is that you don't have any other account, but there's a possibility that --in a good gesture and form of cooperation-- you might had (an) account(s) in the past and forgot about them. Then you said, [...]
You accuse me of using multiple accounts, but I don't have an active account other than my snne username. When you asked me if you knew these accounts, I checked that they were closed so as not to give you false information and they were. You confiscated my money without giving you an answer that I was linked to those accounts. Those e-mail addresses belong to me and are accounts that I have closed before. [...]
It'll be relatively understandable if someone created an account in the past with one of their email, and then forgot about it and created another one with their other email years later. But --at least-- three different emails with eight --including this one-- different accounts? Another interesting thing to point out is that although you know you have a habit of creating an account and stopped --more about this below on inconsistency #2 and other point at the end of my post-- to take a break, you insisted on having no other account on the earliest part of your exchange of communication with SB. If you're truly honest and clueless and innocent, the "I did. I had "hknays" and "aysugnr" before, but they're officially closed, below is the screenshot --or the forwarded email-- of my request" or, "I probably had. I have this habit of creating an account and stopped to take a break. Can you inform me those username, please?" would solve a lot of things. You can even said this anywhere from your opening post up to the point where SB gave their counter-evidence, and you didn't. Why? Next, coming from the same post as above, You accuse me of using multiple accounts, but I don't have an active account other than my snne username. When you asked me if you knew these accounts, I checked that they were closed so as not to give you false information and they were. You confiscated my money without giving you an answer that I was linked to those accounts. Those e-mail addresses belong to me and are accounts that I have closed before.I took a break from gambling to think about myself. Because I usually lose and when I made a profit I wanted to take a break. The next time I wanted to have fun, I opened a new account. [...]
No, I did not use any bonuses or promotions in any of my accounts. I bet with my own money. I generally lost. When I won, I withdraw my money and stopped gambling.
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No, I did not use kyc in my other (closed) accounts. On my account with the username snne, they questioned me not to give the money because I by luck won a large amount on my first withdrawal. They don't give my money even though I did it correctly. KYC was not requested in my closed accounts. Probably because I usually lost. There was no money they could confiscate.
So, all of the other seven accounts you previously had, were you stopped playing using them because you won and withdrawn, and thus you've made SB your very personal sugar daddy and walking ATM, or because you keep losing and need to take a break, thus you didn't profited at all from SB? Next, bonus and perks. In one of your email to request an account closure, you said this, Kime: Sportsbet.io Destek 31.10.2022 Pzt 14:18 Merhaba Talebimin sebebi yetersiz ödüller/bonuslar. Le 31 oct. 2022 à 14:12, Sportsbet.io Destek < destek@sportsbet.io> a écrit: Merhaba aysugnr, Sportsbet.io hesabınızı kapatmak istediğinizi duyduğumuz için üzgünüz. Talebinizi işleme alabilmemiz için lütfen nedenini bize bildirin. Kararınız şunlardan mı kaynaklanıyor: • Kötü Müşteri Hizmetleri • Yetersiz Ödüller/Bonuslar • Kumar Bağımlılığı Diğer Sizden geri dönüş almak için sabırsızlanıyoruz Tarafınızdan covan Yanıtla
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To: Sportsbet.io Support Mon 31.10.2022 14:18 Hello The reason for my request is insufficient rewards/bonuses.Le 31 oct. 2022 à 14:12, Sportsbet.io Support < support@sportsbet.io> a écrit: Hello aysugnr, We are sorry to hear that you wish to close your Sportsbet.io account. Please let us know why so we can process your request. Is your decision due to: • Poor Customer Service • Insufficient Rewards/Bonuses • Gambling Addiction Other We look forward to hearing from you covan Answer I have not collected no perks from my other (closed) accounts. I know that when I create an account, I accept their terms and conditions. According to their rule, condition 10.1, when the account is closed, the rules and conditions lose their validity. You can find it in the screenshot I attached.
I'm lucky they gave me the money I deposited, right? They confiscated my $18919 money! are you kidding me?
You can just use the "other" option as your answer, and you choose that you wanted to close your account because you deemed them to give insufficient reward. Why? Next, you use TnC 10.1 as your defense, which specify that account that's been closed would also be released from TnC. 10.1. If you wish to close your member account, you may do so at any time by contacting Customer Support in written form via email. The effective closure of the Account will correspond to the termination of the Terms and Conditions. If the reason behind the closure of the Account is related to problem gambling, you shall indicate this in writing when requesting the account closure.
But allow me to quote the email given by SB to you from your earliest post in regards for the reason of account closure. I'll mark in blue the complete sentence of the possible reason. [...]
Under rule 18.1.
18.1. Without restricting our ability to rely on other remedies that may be available to us, we may suspend and/or terminate your account, cancel any outstanding bets and/or confiscate any or all funds in your account at our absolute discretion if:
(i) we suspect that you are engaging in money laundering, illegal or other fraudulent activity while using our Website; or
(ii) we suspect that you are depositing funds which have been obtained unlawfully or in a clearly and seriously debase manner; or
(iii) we obtain evidence that you are part of a betting syndicate where several parties are involved in placing bets in order to evade the Sportsbook Rules, these Terms and Conditions or any other rules of Sportsbet.io; or
(iv) we determine that you are using any device, robot, spider, software, routine or other method (or anything in the nature of the foregoing) to interfere or attempt to interfere with the normal proper functioning of our services, any relevant device(s), software, the Website, the casino games, the sportsbook and betting information or any transactions offered on the Website and in particular will not employ or make use of any artificial intelligence or other system (including machines, computers, software or any other automated systems) designed specifically to defeat the Sportsbet.io systems; or
(v) we determine that you are colluding or attempt to collude with other players in order to defraud Sportsbet.io or its customers; or
(vi) we determine that you are breaching any term of these Terms and Conditions;
(vii) we determine that you are acting in a manner that is detrimental to the conduct of our business; or
(viii) we determine that you are using Sportsbet.io in a manner that gives you an unfair advantage, for example basing bets on insight or professional knowledge about a sport gained via personal involvement or participation in the particular field of sport; or
(ix) we suspect that you have registered, manage or direct your betting activity on multiple user accounts in an attempt to hide your betting activity or bypass our set trading limits; or
(x) we suspect that your account is being used for the benefit of a third party; or
(xi) we obtain evidence that by registering new accounts you have violated Sportsbet.io direct order not to continue your betting activity on our site. Sportsbet.io has the right to confiscate any deposits on accounts registered by users previously found in violation or disregard of previous warnings of the above terms and conditions.
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By this rule, if they suspected that you registered an account in attempt to hide your betting activity, they reserve the right to ban you. To make it even more glaring, I'm referring to the activity where you possibly milked the bonus system, drained it on that account, feels them "insufficient", closed your account, and create a new one. Let's suppose you did close your account for the sole reason of wanting to take a break after a big win --or lost-- an interesting thing to point out is the timestamp of the email for account closure, aysugnr on 31 October 2022 and hknays on 19 November 2022.   You're saying, according to your narrative, you had aysugnr, feels enough and need to take a break, asked for an account closure, and then less than 19 days later decided that you wanted some fun, created a new account with new email address, and asked for another account closure within a very short timeframe because you need a break, and created a yet new one... in less than one month after it? |
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December 17, 2022, 08:52:46 AM |
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I can't understand some of your statements, because what you said on the opening post and the other posts that follows are rather inconsistent. I'll try to snip without changing the point of the statement. Statement made in screenshot will be written in qoted text with the link to the image source below them. Your earlier post will be marked in red and the statements that follows and contradicted it will be in scarlet. [In reply to the question if you have previously opened an account] Hello,
I don't have another account
Thank you https://i.hizliresim.com/4bvti8h.jpeg | https://i.hizliresim.com/ra9wuls.jpeg[Sportsbet's representative then mentioned several names they flagged and asked if you're familiar with them] You also flagged me for using multiple accounts. I don't want to misrepresent you. So, considering the possibility of any account that I have opened and forgotten before, when I try to enter with any password, I see that the accounts which you claim to have a connection with me in the previous email, are closed. I was really surprised by this situation. https://i.hizliresim.com/2r7lq7a.jpeg | https://i.hizliresim.com/lii5r58.jpeg[SB's representative explained the clause they deemed you've violated, not specific, but can be inferred that it's the point of multi-acc] From this earliest part of your evidence, we can conclude that you're sure you don't have any other accout, but in a good gesture and as you won't mislead --misrepresent, in your words-- SB's representative, you're open to a suggestion that there's a possibility you had those account mentioned and forgot about them, and you tried to log-in with your password. The situation you tried to paint here on the opening post is that you don't have any other account, but there's a possibility that --in a good gesture and form of cooperation-- you might had (an) account(s) in the past and forgot about them. Then you said, [...]
You accuse me of using multiple accounts, but I don't have an active account other than my snne username. When you asked me if you knew these accounts, I checked that they were closed so as not to give you false information and they were. You confiscated my money without giving you an answer that I was linked to those accounts. Those e-mail addresses belong to me and are accounts that I have closed before. [...]
It'll be relatively understandable if someone created an account in the past with one of their email, and then forgot about it and created another one with their other email years later. But --at least-- three different emails with eight --including this one-- different accounts? Another interesting thing to point out is that although you know you have a habit of creating an account and stopped --more about this below on inconsistency #2 and other point at the end of my post-- to take a break, you insisted on having no other account on the earliest part of your exchange of communication with SB. If you're truly honest and clueless and innocent, the "I did. I had "hknays" and "aysugnr" before, but they're officially closed, below is the screenshot --or the forwarded email-- of my request" or, "I probably had. I have this habit of creating an account and stopped to take a break. Can you inform me those username, please?" would solve a lot of things. You can even said this anywhere from your opening post up to the point where SB gave their counter-evidence, and you didn't. Why? Next, coming from the same post as above, You accuse me of using multiple accounts, but I don't have an active account other than my snne username. When you asked me if you knew these accounts, I checked that they were closed so as not to give you false information and they were. You confiscated my money without giving you an answer that I was linked to those accounts. Those e-mail addresses belong to me and are accounts that I have closed before.I took a break from gambling to think about myself. Because I usually lose and when I made a profit I wanted to take a break. The next time I wanted to have fun, I opened a new account. [...]
No, I did not use any bonuses or promotions in any of my accounts. I bet with my own money. I generally lost. When I won, I withdraw my money and stopped gambling.
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No, I did not use kyc in my other (closed) accounts. On my account with the username snne, they questioned me not to give the money because I by luck won a large amount on my first withdrawal. They don't give my money even though I did it correctly. KYC was not requested in my closed accounts. Probably because I usually lost. There was no money they could confiscate.
So, all of the other seven accounts you previously had, were you stopped playing using them because you won and withdrawn, and thus you've made SB your very personal sugar daddy and walking ATM, or because you keep losing and need to take a break, thus you didn't profited at all from SB? Next, bonus and perks. In one of your email to request an account closure, you said this, Kime: Sportsbet.io Destek 31.10.2022 Pzt 14:18 Merhaba Talebimin sebebi yetersiz ödüller/bonuslar. Le 31 oct. 2022 à 14:12, Sportsbet.io Destek < destek@sportsbet.io> a écrit: Merhaba aysugnr, Sportsbet.io hesabınızı kapatmak istediğinizi duyduğumuz için üzgünüz. Talebinizi işleme alabilmemiz için lütfen nedenini bize bildirin. Kararınız şunlardan mı kaynaklanıyor: • Kötü Müşteri Hizmetleri • Yetersiz Ödüller/Bonuslar • Kumar Bağımlılığı Diğer Sizden geri dönüş almak için sabırsızlanıyoruz Tarafınızdan covan Yanıtla
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To: Sportsbet.io Support Mon 31.10.2022 14:18 Hello The reason for my request is insufficient rewards/bonuses.Le 31 oct. 2022 à 14:12, Sportsbet.io Support < support@sportsbet.io> a écrit: Hello aysugnr, We are sorry to hear that you wish to close your Sportsbet.io account. Please let us know why so we can process your request. Is your decision due to: • Poor Customer Service • Insufficient Rewards/Bonuses • Gambling Addiction Other We look forward to hearing from you covan Answer I have not collected no perks from my other (closed) accounts. I know that when I create an account, I accept their terms and conditions. According to their rule, condition 10.1, when the account is closed, the rules and conditions lose their validity. You can find it in the screenshot I attached.
I'm lucky they gave me the money I deposited, right? They confiscated my $18919 money! are you kidding me?
You can just use the "other" option as your answer, and you choose that you wanted to close your account because you deemed them to give insufficient reward. Why? Next, you use TnC 10.1 as your defense, which specify that account that's been closed would also be released from TnC. 10.1. If you wish to close your member account, you may do so at any time by contacting Customer Support in written form via email. The effective closure of the Account will correspond to the termination of the Terms and Conditions. If the reason behind the closure of the Account is related to problem gambling, you shall indicate this in writing when requesting the account closure.
But allow me to quote the email given by SB to you from your earliest post in regards for the reason of account closure. I'll mark in blue the complete sentence of the possible reason. [...]
Under rule 18.1.
18.1. Without restricting our ability to rely on other remedies that may be available to us, we may suspend and/or terminate your account, cancel any outstanding bets and/or confiscate any or all funds in your account at our absolute discretion if:
(i) we suspect that you are engaging in money laundering, illegal or other fraudulent activity while using our Website; or
(ii) we suspect that you are depositing funds which have been obtained unlawfully or in a clearly and seriously debase manner; or
(iii) we obtain evidence that you are part of a betting syndicate where several parties are involved in placing bets in order to evade the Sportsbook Rules, these Terms and Conditions or any other rules of Sportsbet.io; or
(iv) we determine that you are using any device, robot, spider, software, routine or other method (or anything in the nature of the foregoing) to interfere or attempt to interfere with the normal proper functioning of our services, any relevant device(s), software, the Website, the casino games, the sportsbook and betting information or any transactions offered on the Website and in particular will not employ or make use of any artificial intelligence or other system (including machines, computers, software or any other automated systems) designed specifically to defeat the Sportsbet.io systems; or
(v) we determine that you are colluding or attempt to collude with other players in order to defraud Sportsbet.io or its customers; or
(vi) we determine that you are breaching any term of these Terms and Conditions;
(vii) we determine that you are acting in a manner that is detrimental to the conduct of our business; or
(viii) we determine that you are using Sportsbet.io in a manner that gives you an unfair advantage, for example basing bets on insight or professional knowledge about a sport gained via personal involvement or participation in the particular field of sport; or
(ix) we suspect that you have registered, manage or direct your betting activity on multiple user accounts in an attempt to hide your betting activity or bypass our set trading limits; or
(x) we suspect that your account is being used for the benefit of a third party; or
(xi) we obtain evidence that by registering new accounts you have violated Sportsbet.io direct order not to continue your betting activity on our site. Sportsbet.io has the right to confiscate any deposits on accounts registered by users previously found in violation or disregard of previous warnings of the above terms and conditions.
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By this rule, if they suspected that you registered an account in attempt to hide your betting activity, they reserve the right to ban you. To make it even more glaring, I'm referring to the activity where you possibly milked the bonus system, drained it on that account, feels them "insufficient", closed your account, and create a new one. Let's suppose you did close your account for the sole reason of wanting to take a break after a big win --or lost-- an interesting thing to point out is the timestamp of the email for account closure, aysugnr on 31 October 2022 and hknays on 19 November 2022. https://i.ibb.co/9pDnDpK/Aysugnr.jpg https://i.ibb.co/TPgsCMs/hknays.jpgYou're saying, according to your narrative, you had aysugnr, feels enough and need to take a break, asked for an account closure, and then less than 19 days later decided that you wanted some fun, created a new account with new email address, and asked for another account closure within a very short timeframe because you need a break, and created a yet new one... in less than one month after it? Please do not get me wrong. only aysugnr, hknays, aysgnrm accounts are my accounts. I closed 3 accounts and opened a new one. 8 accounts are not mine. I don't understand why Steve isn't responding to my evidence. He is the only one who knows the details of the matter. but without knowing the details of the matter, a lot of people accuse me here. misinformation people say. steve please answer me. You can review the accounts and see that I have never violate any rules. Thank you hollydarkness for your detailed review. As I mentioned, 8 accounts are not mine. It took a long time to close my 3 accounts. The reason why I created an account on the dates you showed is the start of the world cup. I couldn't miss this great tournament. I answer every accusation. I have never done anything wrong with the accounts I closed. I did not use rewards and bonuses. Steve can see it if he wants. I did not attend the event. I had no intention. so that's not a reason not to pay $18919. I didn't manipulate the site in any way. They took all my earnings because I closed my account and opened a new one. I feel really bad. I trusted this betting site. it was a disappointment for me. |
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holydarkness
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December 17, 2022, 09:11:16 AM |
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Please do not get me wrong. only aysugnr, hknays, aysgnrm accounts are my accounts. I closed 3 accounts and opened a new one. 8 accounts are not mine.
I don't understand why Steve isn't responding to my evidence. He is the only one who knows the details of the matter. but without knowing the details of the matter, a lot of people accuse me here. misinformation people say. steve please answer me. You can review the accounts and see that I have never violate any rules.
Thank you hollydarkness for your detailed review. As I mentioned, 8 accounts are not mine. It took a long time to close my 3 accounts. The reason why I created an account on the dates you showed is the start of the world cup. I couldn't miss this great tournament. I answer every accusation. I have never done anything wrong with the accounts I closed. I did not use rewards and bonuses. Steve can see it if he wants. I did not attend the event. I had no intention. so that's not a reason not to pay $18919. I didn't manipulate the site in any way. They took all my earnings because I closed my account and opened a new one. I feel really bad. I trusted this betting site. it was a disappointment for me.
So you have four, that you've admitted, out of eight that's being accused to you? You do aware that multi-acc is still multi-acc, right? No matter how much that you've admitted. And the way you denied that you've previously opened an account on the very first exchange of communication with them is justifiedly worsen their suspicion toward you. If you have never utilize their bonus features, then why'd you say that it is the reason you closed one of your acc? And about the claim of the long process of closing account, hence the date, can you please provide the emails when you firstly submit the accounts closure request (note that I wrote in plural)? |
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December 17, 2022, 10:02:43 AM |
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Please do not get me wrong. only aysugnr, hknays, aysgnrm accounts are my accounts. I closed 3 accounts and opened a new one. 8 accounts are not mine.
I don't understand why Steve isn't responding to my evidence. He is the only one who knows the details of the matter. but without knowing the details of the matter, a lot of people accuse me here. misinformation people say. steve please answer me. You can review the accounts and see that I have never violate any rules.
Thank you hollydarkness for your detailed review. As I mentioned, 8 accounts are not mine. It took a long time to close my 3 accounts. The reason why I created an account on the dates you showed is the start of the world cup. I couldn't miss this great tournament. I answer every accusation. I have never done anything wrong with the accounts I closed. I did not use rewards and bonuses. Steve can see it if he wants. I did not attend the event. I had no intention. so that's not a reason not to pay $18919. I didn't manipulate the site in any way. They took all my earnings because I closed my account and opened a new one. I feel really bad. I trusted this betting site. it was a disappointment for me.
So you have four, that you've admitted, out of eight that's being accused to you? You do aware that multi-acc is still multi-acc, right? No matter how much that you've admitted. And the way you denied that you've previously opened an account on the very first exchange of communication with them is justifiedly worsen their suspicion toward you. If you have never utilize their bonus features, then why'd you say that it is the reason you closed one of your acc? And about the claim of the long process of closing account, hence the date, can you please provide the emails when you firstly submit the accounts closure request (note that I wrote in plural)? they offered me 7 accounts. three of them were my closed accounts.I have never denied this. so they don't have any doubts about me. I checked if they are active. I saw that they were closed. According to my conversation with live support and condition 10.1, this is not a multi-account. what do you say about it? I didn't do anything on my own. I have never had two accounts active at the same time. If I had two active accounts they could accuse me of multiple accounts. but i didn't do that. I thought that choosing other reasons while closing the account would prolong the process. I was not a gambling addict. I had no complaints about customer service. When I chose the other option, they would ask me why and mail traffic would occur. I chose it as the fastest method. My account closure for that reason does not show that I am using bonuses and promotions. Steve can see this by searching accounts if he wants. here you accuse me for nothing. I did not use any bonuses or promotions. I did not attend the event. I was just betting with my own money. I didn't mean to say it took a long time. I wanted to say that my closing intervals for 3 accounts are not very short. you misunderstood me.I write them using translation. My English is not very good. Im sorry for that. I don't have any bad intentions. I didn't do multiple accounts. I did not use different accounts at the same time. I did not take advantage of bonuses and promotions. so they should give my earnings. this is not a lot of money for sportsbet.io. |
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December 18, 2022, 11:54:54 AM |
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they offered me 7 accounts. three of them were my closed accounts.I have never denied this. so they don't have any doubts about me. I checked if they are active. I saw that they were closed. According to my conversation with live support and condition 10.1, this is not a multi-account. what do you say about it? I didn't do anything on my own. I have never had two accounts active at the same time. If I had two active accounts they could accuse me of multiple accounts. but i didn't do that.
I thought that choosing other reasons while closing the account would prolong the process. I was not a gambling addict. I had no complaints about customer service. When I chose the other option, they would ask me why and mail traffic would occur. I chose it as the fastest method. My account closure for that reason does not show that I am using bonuses and promotions. Steve can see this by searching accounts if he wants. here you accuse me for nothing. I did not use any bonuses or promotions. I did not attend the event. I was just betting with my own money.
I didn't mean to say it took a long time. I wanted to say that my closing intervals for 3 accounts are not very short. you misunderstood me.I write them using translation. My English is not very good. Im sorry for that.
I don't have any bad intentions. I didn't do multiple accounts. I did not use different accounts at the same time. I did not take advantage of bonuses and promotions. so they should give my earnings. this is not a lot of money for sportsbet.io.
So how not very short are these intervals between three of your closed accounts and this new one spaced between each other? Like, specifically. And sportsbet.io, can you please confirm this by checking your database that those four of the accounts are not utilizing bonus or took advantage from you in any form, that the owner closed those accounts simply for a personal reason? |
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December 18, 2022, 07:43:23 PM |
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they offered me 7 accounts. three of them were my closed accounts.I have never denied this. so they don't have any doubts about me. I checked if they are active. I saw that they were closed. According to my conversation with live support and condition 10.1, this is not a multi-account. what do you say about it? I didn't do anything on my own. I have never had two accounts active at the same time. If I had two active accounts they could accuse me of multiple accounts. but i didn't do that.
I thought that choosing other reasons while closing the account would prolong the process. I was not a gambling addict. I had no complaints about customer service. When I chose the other option, they would ask me why and mail traffic would occur. I chose it as the fastest method. My account closure for that reason does not show that I am using bonuses and promotions. Steve can see this by searching accounts if he wants. here you accuse me for nothing. I did not use any bonuses or promotions. I did not attend the event. I was just betting with my own money.
I didn't mean to say it took a long time. I wanted to say that my closing intervals for 3 accounts are not very short. you misunderstood me.I write them using translation. My English is not very good. Im sorry for that.
I don't have any bad intentions. I didn't do multiple accounts. I did not use different accounts at the same time. I did not take advantage of bonuses and promotions. so they should give my earnings. this is not a lot of money for sportsbet.io.
So how not very short are these intervals between three of your closed accounts and this new one spaced between each other? Like, specifically. And sportsbet.io, can you please confirm this by checking your database that those four of the accounts are not utilizing bonus or took advantage from you in any form, that the owner closed those accounts simply for a personal reason? First of all, thank you for your interest. Isn't it normal for me to want to open an account again when a big tournament like the world cup is taking place? When they check this and see the truth, there will be no reason not to give my earning. because I didn't do anything suspicious. I did not use promotions or bonuses. I didn't violate any rules. I think steve should check it out and pay me my winnings. because I earned this money with my own money and my own luck. I have no fault. Now Steve has to answer me, right? Hey Steve what are you waiting to check this out? you are my only hope. |
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I have not collected no perks from my other (closed) accounts. I know that when I create an account, I accept their terms and conditions. According to their rule, condition 10.1, when the account is closed, the rules and conditions lose their validity. You can find it in the screenshot I attached.
I'm lucky they gave me the money I deposited, right? They confiscated my $18919 money! are you kidding me?
Showing you admitting guilt. they offered me 7 accounts. three of them were my closed accounts.I have never denied this. so they don't have any doubts about me. I checked if they are active. I saw that they were closed. According to my conversation with live support and condition 10.1, this is not a multi-account. what do you say about it? I didn't do anything on my own. I have never had two accounts active at the same time. If I had two active accounts they could accuse me of multiple accounts. but i didn't do that.
I thought that choosing other reasons while closing the account would prolong the process. I was not a gambling addict. I had no complaints about customer service. When I chose the other option, they would ask me why and mail traffic would occur. I chose it as the fastest method. My account closure for that reason does not show that I am using bonuses and promotions. Steve can see this by searching accounts if he wants. here you accuse me for nothing. I did not use any bonuses or promotions. I did not attend the event. I was just betting with my own money.
I didn't mean to say it took a long time. I wanted to say that my closing intervals for 3 accounts are not very short. you misunderstood me.I write them using translation. My English is not very good. Im sorry for that.
I don't have any bad intentions. I didn't do multiple accounts. I did not use different accounts at the same time. I did not take advantage of bonuses and promotions. so they should give my earnings. this is not a lot of money for sportsbet.io.
So how not very short are these intervals between three of your closed accounts and this new one spaced between each other? Like, specifically. And sportsbet.io, can you please confirm this by checking your database that those four of the accounts are not utilizing bonus or took advantage from you in any form, that the owner closed those accounts simply for a personal reason? First of all, thank you for your interest. Isn't it normal for me to want to open an account again when a big tournament like the world cup is taking place? When they check this and see the truth, there will be no reason not to give my earning. because I didn't do anything suspicious. I did not use promotions or bonuses. I didn't violate any rules. I think steve should check it out and pay me my winnings. because I earned this money with my own money and my own luck. I have no fault. Now Steve has to answer me, right? Hey Steve what are you waiting to check this out? you are my only hope.You may as well give up pal. In sportsbets eyes, this case is closed. You violated their terms so you qualify for nothing man. Maybe the next site you make an account on, you'll make only 1 account and be a legit bettor. I doubt it, seems like you aren't really all that bright honestly. |
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they offered me 7 accounts. three of them were my closed accounts.I have never denied this. so they don't have any doubts about me. I checked if they are active. I saw that they were closed. According to my conversation with live support and condition 10.1, this is not a multi-account. what do you say about it? I didn't do anything on my own. I have never had two accounts active at the same time. If I had two active accounts they could accuse me of multiple accounts. but i didn't do that.
I thought that choosing other reasons while closing the account would prolong the process. I was not a gambling addict. I had no complaints about customer service. When I chose the other option, they would ask me why and mail traffic would occur. I chose it as the fastest method. My account closure for that reason does not show that I am using bonuses and promotions. Steve can see this by searching accounts if he wants. here you accuse me for nothing. I did not use any bonuses or promotions. I did not attend the event. I was just betting with my own money.
I didn't mean to say it took a long time. I wanted to say that my closing intervals for 3 accounts are not very short. you misunderstood me.I write them using translation. My English is not very good. Im sorry for that.
I don't have any bad intentions. I didn't do multiple accounts. I did not use different accounts at the same time. I did not take advantage of bonuses and promotions. so they should give my earnings. this is not a lot of money for sportsbet.io.
So how not very short are these intervals between three of your closed accounts and this new one spaced between each other? Like, specifically. And sportsbet.io, can you please confirm this by checking your database that those four of the accounts are not utilizing bonus or took advantage from you in any form, that the owner closed those accounts simply for a personal reason? First of all, thank you for your interest. Isn't it normal for me to want to open an account again when a big tournament like the world cup is taking place? When they check this and see the truth, there will be no reason not to give my earning. because I didn't do anything suspicious. I did not use promotions or bonuses. I didn't violate any rules. I think steve should check it out and pay me my winnings. because I earned this money with my own money and my own luck. I have no fault. Now Steve has to answer me, right? Hey Steve what are you waiting to check this out? you are my only hope.If you asked me, I'll say it's quite strange that someone opened an account and closed them and reopened another account just because they wanted to take a break. Normally, people would just leave their account idle and ready for use when they're up for some new chapter of fun. What's even more strange is, still in my opinion, using different email accounts for each new sign-ups. My opinion aside, I am still waiting and started to get worried on why haven't you provide the date of your emails requesting account closure, I've asked three times including this one. You don't have anything to hide like the timespan between each account closure and sign-up are somewhat short, do you? |
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they offered me 7 accounts. three of them were my closed accounts.I have never denied this. so they don't have any doubts about me. I checked if they are active. I saw that they were closed. According to my conversation with live support and condition 10.1, this is not a multi-account. what do you say about it? I didn't do anything on my own. I have never had two accounts active at the same time. If I had two active accounts they could accuse me of multiple accounts. but i didn't do that.
I thought that choosing other reasons while closing the account would prolong the process. I was not a gambling addict. I had no complaints about customer service. When I chose the other option, they would ask me why and mail traffic would occur. I chose it as the fastest method. My account closure for that reason does not show that I am using bonuses and promotions. Steve can see this by searching accounts if he wants. here you accuse me for nothing. I did not use any bonuses or promotions. I did not attend the event. I was just betting with my own money.
I didn't mean to say it took a long time. I wanted to say that my closing intervals for 3 accounts are not very short. you misunderstood me.I write them using translation. My English is not very good. Im sorry for that.
I don't have any bad intentions. I didn't do multiple accounts. I did not use different accounts at the same time. I did not take advantage of bonuses and promotions. so they should give my earnings. this is not a lot of money for sportsbet.io.
So how not very short are these intervals between three of your closed accounts and this new one spaced between each other? Like, specifically. And sportsbet.io, can you please confirm this by checking your database that those four of the accounts are not utilizing bonus or took advantage from you in any form, that the owner closed those accounts simply for a personal reason? First of all, thank you for your interest. Isn't it normal for me to want to open an account again when a big tournament like the world cup is taking place? When they check this and see the truth, there will be no reason not to give my earning. because I didn't do anything suspicious. I did not use promotions or bonuses. I didn't violate any rules. I think steve should check it out and pay me my winnings. because I earned this money with my own money and my own luck. I have no fault. Now Steve has to answer me, right? Hey Steve what are you waiting to check this out? you are my only hope.If you asked me, I'll say it's quite strange that someone opened an account and closed them and reopened another account just because they wanted to take a break. Normally, people would just leave their account idle and ready for use when they're up for some new chapter of fun. What's even more strange is, still in my opinion, using different email accounts for each new sign-ups. My opinion aside, I am still waiting and started to get worried on why haven't you provide the date of your emails requesting account closure, I've asked three times including this one. You don't have anything to hide like the timespan between each account closure and sign-up are somewhat short, do you? If you ask me, you are doing nothing but being blindfolded, like a secret supporter of sportsbet.io. I asked you 3 times. You don't say anything about sportsbet.io live support telling me I can do it. Or are you afraid of being anti-sportsbet.io? this worries me. because I think whatever I tell you, you won't believe me. You will be able to see that he has told me that I can close an account and open a new account. This is not a violation of the rules as you mentioned. sportsbet.io told me this. You can also see that I can do this in condition 10.1. I have never had more than one account active at the same time. All my other accounts were closed. How can I get an advantage from a closed account? I just wanted to take a break from gambling and then when I wanted to continue, I opened a new account. Nobody told me that I could open my old account again, and it is not written in the conditions. stop accusing me of multiple accounts. I didn't do multiple accounts. If I know I can reopen the account, why not do it? Why would I risk knowing so much money? sportsbet.io gave me this injustice. I have sent you e-mails requesting closure. You checked this and forwarded it to me, I still don't understand what you want me to send? you are doing nothing but accusing people and ignoring the evidence it presents please stop supporting sportsbet.io and comment impartially. I'm not hiding anything. If Steve checks the transactions on my accounts, this whole discussion will be over. It should give back my winnings. but why doesn't steve persistently respond? I have never had more than one active account. I have never taken advantage of my accounts. Steve can control it. I did not use any bonuses or promotions. Steve should give me my earnings. https://i.hizliresim.com/m25im9d.jpeg(Are you talking about this mail?) I'm not hiding anything. I'm ready to prove anything. because I am right.I am honestYou also said that sportsbet.io should check the transactions made from the accounts. but they didn't answer that either. You don't question why they didn't answer that. you're just making arguments against me. Why don't they do a quick review and put an end to this discussion? Why don't they answer us? |
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If you ask me, you are doing nothing but being blindfolded, like a secret supporter of sportsbet.io. I asked you 3 times. You don't say anything about sportsbet.io live support telling me I can do it. Or are you afraid of being anti-sportsbet.io? this worries me. because I think whatever I tell you, you won't believe me. You will be able to see that he has told me that I can close an account and open a new account. This is not a violation of the rules as you mentioned. sportsbet.io told me this. You can also see that I can do this in condition 10.1. I have never had more than one account active at the same time. All my other accounts were closed. How can I get an advantage from a closed account? I just wanted to take a break from gambling and then when I wanted to continue, I opened a new account. Nobody told me that I could open my old account again, and it is not written in the conditions. stop accusing me of multiple accounts. I didn't do multiple accounts. If I know I can reopen the account, why not do it? Why would I risk knowing so much money? sportsbet.io gave me this injustice. I have sent you e-mails requesting closure. You checked this and forwarded it to me, I still don't understand what you want me to send? you are doing nothing but accusing people and ignoring the evidence it presents please stop supporting sportsbet.io and comment impartially. I'm not hiding anything. If Steve checks the transactions on my accounts, this whole discussion will be over. It should give back my winnings. but why doesn't steve persistently respond? I have never had more than one active account. I have never taken advantage of my accounts. Steve can control it. I did not use any bonuses or promotions. Steve should give me my earnings. https://i.hizliresim.com/m25im9d.jpeg(Are you talking about this mail?) I'm not hiding anything. I'm ready to prove anything. because I am right.I am honestWhat do you mean I'm a secret supporter? I paint my house with their color theme and their logo! My neighbors were complaining because my house was too eye catching. And you should see my room, I have special altar for them that I worshipped ten times a day. I mean, a secret supporter? Secret? Didn't you see my personal text already? That sentence below my avatar? Yeah. Sarcasm above aside, just a little clarification so it won't bite me in my unattractive ass in the future, I didn't say you can re-open your closed account. I have no idea what's their policy for that matter and never give any thought on this matter. Now, onto the topic... well, I didn't mean to be rude, but in between your --what I can only describe as-- tantrum, I think I'm lost. Like, honestly. Which question directed to me or to whom and who'd you're yelling at on some of your sentences? You emailed me, I checked and forwarded you what now? I'm certain that we had never exchanged any email, I even somewhat sure you don't know my email address. Now, if you can provide us with screenshots of all of the beginning emails to them to close your accounts, it'll be helpful. I just wanted to know how long was it between your requests for account closure to take a break and you re-signing up. You also said that sportsbet.io should check the transactions made from the accounts. but they didn't answer that either. You don't question why they didn't answer that. you're just making arguments against me. Why don't they do a quick review and put an end to this discussion? Why don't they answer us?
Because... they're not online since before that post? Thus they probably didn't read anything from this thread yet? |
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It wouldn't help (for now). Casinos in Curacao took some cases to the appeal court (after losing in the first court) arguing that they are not obliged by law to pay any winnings related to gambling!! (true story). So wait until that case is over or it is useless to file any lawsuit. Of course it's so shameful for them to even argue this way, but, you know, they're fraudsters as much as Sam BankMan Fried in the Bahamas is (at least he gets arrested) or the majority of the "Lengendary" and "Hero" accounts here living in third world countries and licking casinos asses to pay them 70 dollars/weeks for them to have a good life while scamming the players of the casinos they promote. |
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Until now, no appeal court has ruled on this. If they say casinos in Curacao aren't obliged to pay winners, nothing is relevant anymore. It's an open Island for criminals and scammers, will not end well. |
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Why would she lodge a complaint or claim against sportsbet when she has already been found guilty of her deeds? She had a habit of creating new accounts every time she was done with her older accounts where she took enough advantage of the bonuses/rewards and still unsatisfied with what SB has provided. She must plead guilty and stop making nonsensical arguments when everything is out and clear in front of us. This is a clear attempt to mud up the reputation of a well-established casino, a case of contempt. |
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Why would she lodge a complaint or claim against sportsbet when she has already been found guilty of her deeds? She had a habit of creating new accounts every time she was done with her older accounts where she took enough advantage of the bonuses/rewards and still unsatisfied with what SB has provided. She must plead guilty and stop making nonsensical arguments when everything is out and clear in front of us. This is a clear attempt to mud up the reputation of a well-established casino, a case of contempt. Where did you get that I benefited from the rewards and bonuses? Do you have proof I used rewards and bonuses. I did not take advantage of my accounts. I always bet with my own money. steve should check this and pay me. If necessary, I will take the matter to the courts of Curacao. I can do that. because sportsbet.io scammed me. sportsbet.io seems unreliable. People should not deposit and bet on this site.When you win, they accuses you of multiple accounts and close your account. They doesn't pay his winnings. There are a lot of people who experience this. You can find examples in Btctalk. |
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Where did you get that I benefited from the rewards and bonuses? Do you have proof I used rewards and bonuses. I did not take advantage of my accounts. I always bet with my own money. Don't get me wrong, but did you go for permanent closure of your old accounts or were they closed for specific time like a week, a month, six months, a year or more? Because if it was permanent, I think that the casino also deletes all the data associated with the account like history of bets, deposits, withdrawals, bonuses/rewards claimed, etc. but only keep track of the IP address and email address of that person and the KYC material too. steve should check this and pay me. If necessary, I will take the matter to the courts of Curacao. I can do that. because sportsbet.io scammed me. You are free to choose your way and do as you like, only if you truly remember and know that you didn't take any step that could go against you in the court proceedings. sportsbet.io seems unreliable. People should not deposit and bet on this site.When you win, they accuses you of multiple accounts and close your account. They doesn't pay his winnings. There are a lot of people who experience this. You can find examples in Btctalk.
I agree that there are accusations against various websites regarding denial to pay the winnings to the winner, but it's also true that in many cases, the valid counter-evidence as well as arguments made by the respective casino parties were found to be correct. |
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Where did you get that I benefited from the rewards and bonuses? Do you have proof I used rewards and bonuses. I did not take advantage of my accounts. I always bet with my own money. Don't get me wrong, but did you go for permanent closure of your old accounts or were they closed for specific time like a week, a month, six months, a year or more? Because if it was permanent, I think that the casino also deletes all the data associated with the account like history of bets, deposits, withdrawals, bonuses/rewards claimed, etc. but only keep track of the IP address and email address of that person and the KYC material too. steve should check this and pay me. If necessary, I will take the matter to the courts of Curacao. I can do that. because sportsbet.io scammed me. You are free to choose your way and do as you like, only if you truly remember and know that you didn't take any step that could go against you in the court proceedings. sportsbet.io seems unreliable. People should not deposit and bet on this site.When you win, they accuses you of multiple accounts and close your account. They doesn't pay his winnings. There are a lot of people who experience this. You can find examples in Btctalk.
I agree that there are accusations against various websites regarding denial to pay the winnings to the winner, but it's also true that in many cases, the valid counter-evidence as well as arguments made by the respective casino parties were found to be correct. What you say is absolutely correct. I have permanently closed my accounts. In this case, all information on my accounts should be deleted. (condition 10.1 clearly states this). Also, in my dialogue with live support, Mr. Tunç told me this. (You can find this conversation in the screenshots). sportsbet.io accused me of multiple accounts with the accounts that I had permanently closed. According to these rules and conditions, it is an absolutely wrong decision. is not it? sportsbet.io should return from this error as soon as possible. I honestly earned $18919. Don't they have to pay me my earning ? |
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Because... they're not online since before that post? Thus they probably didn't read anything from this thread yet?
Steve is active today. but still not answering us. What are you thinking now? Is there something they're covering? they scammed my money, now they just keep quiet? yes you Holydarkness. I answered everything you said. but steve is not answering us. You should say something about Steve too. |
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December 22, 2022, 05:34:43 PM |
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Because... they're not online since before that post? Thus they probably didn't read anything from this thread yet?
Steve is active today. but still not answering us. What are you thinking now? Is there something they're covering? they scammed my money, now they just keep quiet? yes you Holydarkness. I answered everything you said. but steve is not answering us. You should say something about Steve too. Let's see if I can make you get the situation here. You had several accounts which you denied their existence on the first place and only admitting it after they straightforwardly mentioned the names, this is understandably cast a huge doubt on your credibility. They've deemed this case closed, and your complain would as much turned to deaf ear. The thing you can do right now is to raise an appeal to the community on this forum, prove that you're wrongly accused, and hope that sportsbet respected the forum and reopened your case for review. But so far, you've proven nothing other than repetitively stating that you didn't take any bonus, my long post of the inconsistencies of your statements are even only partially --and vaguely-- clarified, you hadn't provide the proof that I've asked several times: the proof of time gap between each of your accounts. Let me try to break it down even further like I explaining to a third grader why this is quite important. On SB point of view, and as far as whoever read this thread understand, you created multi acc which violated their ToS. You argued back that the accounts are not active simultaneously, you've closed each of those account before opening a new one, which means you didn't have multi account and SB's accusation is invalid. But as I've pointed out --and marked in blue-- on previous post, you also agreed that they have the right to confiscate your fund if they suspected you registered multiple accounts in attempt to hide your betting activity or bypass their trading limit. You stated that the reason why you opened and closed accounts are because you need a break after winning, but --again, as I've pointed out-- your statements during this entire case keeps contradicting each other, add that to the fact on your email screenshot that the date between those accounts are extremely close, it is very justified for anyone to think and suspected that there's another, more dubious, reason why you keep opening and closing accounts. You argued that those date didn't reflect on the real timespan between each account because it took a very long time for them to process account closure --oops, sorry, I was meaning to say "closing intervals for your 3 accounts are not very short"-- but you never give any concrete evidence to back up this claim, and I've asked you repetitively. If any, you just cast a bigger doubt on everyone's mind. Let me try to break it down yet again, in a "flowchart". You want them to give proof that you're wrongly accused? You'll want them to reopened your case. But how exactly do they reopen a case they considered closed? You'll need them to reconsider the case. And how exactly will they reconsider your case? Unfortunatelly, you can only hope they respected the forum's request and looked at your case again. So, up to this point, simplified, who you need to convince right now are the forum, i.e. the people reading this thread. You still following me? Good. So how exactly do you make the forum to do that? Well, sweetheart, this forum, especially people "overseeing" this sub-board are very fair and neutral. They judge everything by facts and data, evidences. If you've provide an undisputed evidences that you're the right side here, they won't be reluctant to support you. So what you need is to provide evidences instead of throwing tantrums and baseless statements. Tl;dr: give your evidences. |
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