Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property is real

[Yatsan]

You said Fiat is bullshit but you need it to build properties 🤦

Just listen to yourself mate, if money doesn't make sense to you then avoid doing anything with money, I wonder what you can do without Fiat, Crypto is just making the whole thing decentralized and digital.

You got a point there but I think that wasn't the op wants to imply. He is trying to say that property is a real thing or has a physical appearance while cryptos and stocks do not have it. As for the fiats, they do have a physical appearance but they aren't an investment. They are simply a currency that we used daily for purchasing goods.

Even though stocks and cryptos are digital. They are still considered as an assets that you can invest and make a profit with. Being digital do actually have an advantage because they are easy to keep and you can have different kinds of them. While a property investment is something that is hassle in my opinion.

Having a digital investment is far superior than having a physical one. Even though it would be hard to lose a gold bar for example because you would hide it very well, even put it in a bank safety box, its at least possible, or fiat banknotes, or house burning down, whatever it is a physical thing could be destroyed.

Digital ones can't be, you could be scammed, or even lose your key phrases and all, but normally if you do not make any mistakes its there and there forever which means you will not lose it. Plus its easier to control, its a few buttons and you click them and either buy or sell, that is a much better and easier method then going and buying a whole house.

Why would boggle yourself on which one is superior and which one is not? If you do have the money then why cant be having both? which you do have physical and have digital investment which it would really be

giving out that kind of opportunity or chance for you to make money or profits on longer runs.Although its not really that an assured thing but at least you do know that something behind you could be having

other sources when it comes to money and make yourself not able to struggle if you are really in indeed of money. Cant really deny that having real estates or property which does generate income
does really give out that kind of opportunity to make money in passive way but we know that having various sources doesnt matter if its digital or physical then you should
really be having as much as possible.

Exactly, why distinguish which one is superior to another? If real estate is better than cryptocurrency, but it can't be profitable for us, is it still called good? We invest, and the end goal is not to determine which is better, but what is important is which gives us good returns. People won't care what you do, they only care about the results you get, so take advantage of every opportunity to make a profit. It doesn't matter whether the investment is physical or digital, all can be profitable, so invest in both.

Bottomline is; we do have different investment preferences. Some made fortune out of gambling, some made it out from real estate, and for sure there are also people who became millionaires in this industry. These people exist but that does not guarantee that same thing could happen to anyone. We have different circumstances and capabilities so be sure to act on your 'zone'. If this would work on you then continue but if it won't try looking at other thing. Maximize your resources as much as possible. Nothing would work if you'd force yourself into it.

Investment, of course, depends on everyone, expensive property prices cannot be reached by most people, especially when you need money it will be difficult and take a long time to sell, while cryptocurrencies are very easy investments and we can make cash at any time, and of course the potential for profit can reach hundreds of percent per year.

This is what I meant regarding circumstances and capabilities. Not all people could buy a property to be held under one's ownership and wait for years for its value to increase. In the first place you'd be lacking the opportunity already if you don't have the money to start it with.

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[Sebas.tian]

You said Fiat is bullshit but you need it to build properties 🤦

Just listen to yourself mate, if money doesn't make sense to you then avoid doing anything with money, I wonder what you can do without Fiat, Crypto is just making the whole thing decentralized and digital.

Fiat is very important to humanity to improve higher in anything they are doing in the society, because many investors has used a huge amount of capital to build a standard properties that is bringing in a good income monthly or yearly to their account. Fiat is a centralized currency control by the government in all ramifications in the country which the governments can decide to make it available for all the business men and women to use it in their country to grow their income. Fiat and crypto are very important but many people prefer to use fiat money all the time than crypto just because crypto is not well legalized in their country.

[franky1]

if real estate is so safe..
.. how come you need house insurance

ill leave you with that thought

housing comes with on-going costs.
i can buy a bitcoin. and never access the internet for 10 years and know my coins are still there..

try that with a house.
youll end up with squatters, vandalism, damage, leaks.
governments can seize homes. tax homes.

if you calculate insurances maintenance, mortgage interest, taxes.. truly see how much that affects any valuation increase over 10 years compared to purchase price. see the real value(lack) of housing

[Lubang Bawah]

Many think real estate is the most profitable investment, right now too much advertising is too much, for example you can get RoI in 5 years because prices will continue to rise, the fact is the opposite is true, when you want to sell property it will be difficult and if you want fast of course should be priced cheaper than when buying.

[RealMalatesta]

we do have different investment preferences. Some made fortune out of gambling, some made it out from real estate, and for sure there are also people who became millionaires in this industry. These people exist but that does not guarantee that same thing could happen to anyone.

Yeah, this is the reason that we cannot copy the exact success formula of others. Basically, these days, you must be needing multiple income stream to sustain financially stronger. So, just believing into only crypto or only stocks will disappoint in the end. So, we need crypto investments, we need stocks and we need real-estate as well. This is how risk distribution works for achieving financial stability. Still, I have my saving and investment in major share in bitcoin and then in some altcoins and finally in gold and for real estate I am still planning up.

[chrisculanag]

we do have different investment preferences. Some made fortune out of gambling, some made it out from real estate, and for sure there are also people who became millionaires in this industry. These people exist but that does not guarantee that same thing could happen to anyone.

Yeah, this is the reason that we cannot copy the exact success formula of others. Basically, these days, you must be needing multiple income stream to sustain financially stronger. So, just believing into only crypto or only stocks will disappoint in the end. So, we need crypto investments, we need stocks and we need real-estate as well. This is how risk distribution works for achieving financial stability. Still, I have my saving and investment in major share in bitcoin and then in some altcoins and finally in gold and for real estate I am still planning up.

I agree , every investors have a different style in investing.But for me a good managing of our money is to put in some investment that you feel can win.  Dont put a risk in a single investment. it is better to divide the investment money to avoid large losses and have a chance to grow the invested money properly. Real state is also good too but always check for a good place in buying real state property.

[Iroh]

Many think real estate is the most profitable investment, right now too much advertising is too much, for example you can get RoI in 5 years because prices will continue to rise, the fact is the opposite is true, when you want to sell property it will be difficult and if you want fast of course should be priced cheaper than when buying.

Real estate, in my opinion is indeed a profitable investment. But like all investments, there is always some certain level of risk involved. There are several factors that affects the price of real estate as well as other investments. That is why you’ve got to do your research on these factors that affects the price and value of the investment you’re about to venture into.
There are lots of real estate investments that appreciate periodically and steadily, as there are some that lose some of its original value. Real estate has been profitable to lots of people and would continue to be.

[Moneyprism]

Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property although is just concrete but it is real.

it's all about people's investment preferences,, you could say fiat and crypto and stock are the BS but other people may think differently .. you say that property is real but I don't think so, now investing in real estate is quite frustrating, many people nowadays end up selling their property assets at a cheaper price because property prices are increasing and people's purchasing power is getting lower and that's why investing in real estate is not as profitable as it is today

[Twentyonepaylots]

What a call!

You call it BS but you have it, I mean it is in some ways but these days you may use it to get a property especially fiat lol

Property investing may sound too good for everyone but it also depends, you can't just buy and sell a property when you want to make it liquid. If you gain millions from crypto you would not have the urge to call it BS, or stocks or have any business. You call the property investment more of a real thing when you can't mention its cons, probably because you are blinded by the promo ads by it. I know its value is appreciating but you can't eat it when you're hungry and there's a McDonald's across the road.

[Reid]

I get what you want to point out but calling those things BS is going overboard. I love having more properties if I can because it doesn't get spoiled or it won't go away, it will just be there for the rest of our lives.
But if you are still using fiat for buying necessities, and you are talking in a cryptocurrency-based forum, aren't you exaggerating things here and being a hypocrite. Me? I am glad there's so many options now because real estate investment is not a cheap one unlike others that was mentioned to be "BS".

[Paul Pogba]

Property is a very good investment and is liked by everyone, property prices continue to rise because demand for property will continue to increase, even if it is in a strategic location, the increase can reach 100% in 10 years or even less, it is only natural that property is the first asset that everyone targets .

[Vinaa77]

Investment, of course, depends on everyone, expensive property prices cannot be reached by most people, especially when you need money it will be difficult and take a long time to sell, while cryptocurrencies are very easy investments and we can make cash at any time, and of course the potential for profit can reach hundreds of percent per year.

Investing in crypto is very easy to do, in fact it can be done by everyone. Moreover, some exchanges accept users from all over the world using passport identities. But there are also many investors who experience losses as a result of choosing the wrong coin to invest. And many investors experience losses when investing in pre-sales. In essence, crypto investment must have the right analytical skills.

If someone is going to invest in poperty, of course the basic capital that must be issued is far greater than investing in crypto. Or you can do it by credit if a place provides credit services. But for me, the most appropriate investment is to buy land, because in the end we will need it for old age. In old age, we no longer think about how many cars we have, but where can I live for the rest of my life.

[Fatunad]

Property is a very good investment and is liked by everyone, property prices continue to rise because demand for property will continue to increase, even if it is in a strategic location, the increase can reach 100% in 10 years or even less, it is only natural that property is the first asset that everyone targets .

Depends on where it is located and depends on how good the property is when it comes to looks and utility or in overall since not all properties does ends up on appreciation value but we cant really deny
that it is one of the much more preferred when it comes to investment.The main problem or issue on here is that these type of investment cant really be cheap, even if we wanted to buy one but it
cant really be something that do involves small amount of money which is particularly the opposite and this is why it would really be remaining as a dream since
it is something that everyone could easily attain.

[franky1]

ok quick math

2003: house market rate £150k
2003 mortgage interest rate 5%

end result on 20 year mortgage =  $237k paid just to have a house

market rate this year. £266k
now include the £500 a year buildings insurance required as part of mortgage agreement
+£10k
then the £500 electric/gas maintenance
+£10k
then there is the general maintenance and living costs. land taxes, gains, state(coincil) taxes
UK council tax alone is £1.2k/y = £24k

=£281,000 vs market rate of £266,000
.. and yep no longer a profit.

however if i invested in bitcoin in 2012(10 years) using just £150 (one and 1half hundred.. not thousands)
£4 a coin becomes £13600
37.5 coins become £510,000

bitcoin: £150->£510,000
vs
housing: £281,000-> £266,000

summary

real estate "value gain" of x multiplier is not real. because most forget the actual ongoing costs after the initial house valuation.. like interest, insurance, maintenance and tax

[batang_bitcoin]

Property is a very good investment and is liked by everyone, property prices continue to rise because demand for property will continue to increase, even if it is in a strategic location, the increase can reach 100% in 10 years or even less, it is only natural that property is the first asset that everyone targets .

And one reason why property prices are going to increase is that, they're limited, a scarce asset and that's why demand will surely be up continuously.
But, we just can't say that it is going to be up forever because once the housing market collapses then it will be a domino impact that there will be more cheap houses on sale depending on laws and the interaction of the government where you live at. We all agree that it's one of the best asset and each of these great assets are incomparable to each other.

[Oceat]

Property is a very good investment and is liked by everyone, property prices continue to rise because demand for property will continue to increase, even if it is in a strategic location, the increase can reach 100% in 10 years or even less, it is only natural that property is the first asset that everyone targets .

And one reason why property prices are going to increase is that, they're limited, a scarce asset and that's why demand will surely be up continuously.
But, we just can't say that it is going to be up forever because once the housing market collapses then it will be a domino impact that there will be more cheap houses on sale depending on laws and the interaction of the government where you live at. We all agree that it's one of the best asset and each of these great assets are incomparable to each other.

It's still a profitable asset even if you say it will collapse it depends if the population would stop to grow then we won't see a bunch of housing projects. But land property is a thing wherever you are it can grow over time and all you have to do is patiently waiting to sell it on the right time or put some business on it when that place is developing. Real estate is indeed in demand especially in the urban area since no matter what happens in that town the population and people want to go in there won't stop.

[Renampun]

Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property although is just concrete but it is real.

I know all stock investor loss money and some of them are killed, but not all property investor loss money, when Elon Musk said crypto is as bs as fiat, I challenge him to prove me property is anything resembling bs.

When you buy into stock, you get snake oil, but promised it’s indeed a “business”, stock =/= business wake up. When you buy into property you indeed get the concrete box, you indeed get what you paid for,

first of all, you know that property can be created more and destroyed while bitcoin cannot be added or subtracted at all. currently, people in my country are complaining because selling their property quickly is really difficult, it shows even though you have the physical property of the property but in reality, only people who need it buy it. Property is not an investment asset, it is a liability.

But what is there to say, when I tell them, they’re scammed they don’t believe me and even being very hostile on me and call me retard, they think they’re getting the business when they buy the stock, what give?

some companies will distribute dividends per year to each of their shareholders, so shares are still very much in demand, especially by old investors who have a lot of money.

[tygeade]

Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property although is just concrete but it is real.

I know all stock investor loss money and some of them are killed, but not all property investor loss money, when Elon Musk said crypto is as bs as fiat, I challenge him to prove me property is anything resembling bs.

I get the people who like to go with the traditional route, but crypto is crypto, the profit you make is the same whereas property is not exactly the same everywhere. Buying a house in Toronto, and Detroit is VERY different and yet they are side by side, biking distance, same goes for every nation everywhere, buying property is not exactly the same method and it doesn't allow you to make it work like that neither.

This is why I have to say that it's true for some nations with some laws and such, whereas it's not true for some other nations because it's a lot more strict and problematic as well. You can talk about whatever nation you are in, but this isn't globally true.

[carlfebz2]

Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property although is just concrete but it is real.

I know all stock investor loss money and some of them are killed, but not all property investor loss money, when Elon Musk said crypto is as bs as fiat, I challenge him to prove me property is anything resembling bs.

I get the people who like to go with the traditional route, but crypto is crypto, the profit you make is the same whereas property is not exactly the same everywhere. Buying a house in Toronto, and Detroit is VERY different and yet they are side by side, biking distance, same goes for every nation everywhere, buying property is not exactly the same method and it doesn't allow you to make it work like that neither.

This is why I have to say that it's true for some nations with some laws and such, whereas it's not true for some other nations because it's a lot more strict and problematic as well. You can talk about whatever nation you are in, but this isn't globally true.

Gliobal situations would really be that totally different which the thing you had said and mentioned are actually precise and its something that do means that every decision making would be ending up on different way
whether we do talk about the result or do talk on about on how they would be acquiring it.Speaking about money or profits then it would be situational considering that crypto investment doesnt impose out fix
income per month unlike when you do have real estate.

Doesnt matter on which one you would be choosing because as long it does give out that kind of opportunity for you to earn on something passive whether its on crypto or in
those typical business then thats what do counts.

[qwertyup23]

Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property although is just concrete but it is real.
But what is there to say, when I tell them, they’re scammed they don’t believe me and even being very hostile on me and call me retard, they think they’re getting the business when they buy the stock, what give?

Stocks and real properties are two (2) different investment mechanisms that offers different approaches in order to be effective. It does not mean that if a person losses money frequently on the other, it concludes that investing on such is considered "bs" like what you just mentioned.

Again, while stocks or cryptocurrencies are intangible, it does not make them any less of each other. They have as much impact as any other investment, if not, better if the person knows how to deal with them and use it to their advantage. Having to hasty generalize that they are absolute trash is very fallacious, only depending it on your experience while not checking others.