Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property is real

[Casdinyard]

Implying that real estate is as easy to acquire as crypto and the aforementioned assets and commodities. Just because it is intangible, which is what most of you guys argue for stocks, bonds, and crypto, doesn't necessarily mean it is of no value. For all I know, the housing bubble is about to pop soon enough courtesy of the housing scandal in China and the ever-soaring prices of land thanks to greedy landlords who think of renters as cash cows to sustain themselves with instead of human beings who they got a mutual favor from. I'd like to know what OP's gonna feel once that comes around.

How to define property? Property already includes material wealth such as your money, house, supplies, land you own, etc. So how do you prove that your property is yours?
When people invest, they will first choose to invest in real estate and stocks. Because that's what the public knows. Of course, some people will choose cryptocurrency, but novices will not choose cryptocurrency at the beginning. He needs market experience.
Since it is property, I think it is safe in my own hands, and I don't trust any organization.

Lmao true, and don't get me started with "the bank said it's mine after I signed a mortgage so it must be true" logic. Although I would argue about the relative "diffivulty of handling each and every asset you mentioned. I would also agree with the fact that real estate is the easiest asset to invest upon. As it stands today you can watch your money grow literally as real estate isn't showing apparent signs of depreciating in value, which could change given ny statement above regarding China's housing dilenma which could translate to the western hemisphere.

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[uneng]

Signature campaign earnings is really that something big and enough for paying up some monthly amort but we know that relying with this kind of thing wont really be guaranteeing out on how long it would last.

There are no guarantees, but someone must try. If it's a short campaign which last few weeks it really doesn't worth, but there are long lasting campaigns here active for several years already. Many of those members could have made a good deal acquiring properties only through this income.

And even if the campaign finishes suddenly and the person loses his income, I believe the necessity creates the opportunity, so the person will have to find an alternative method to replace that income to continue paying the monthly amortization quotas. Since there is a financial obligation involved, this individual will search for a job with much more effort and disposition. While if he had no debt, he would be in a confort zone.

This is why its never that been recommendable on doing so yet its never been a stable work since from the start.Speaking about land or property investment then it would really be normally on having lots of
considerations whether its price would be stagnant or would appreciate depending accordingly into its location which is definitely true.This is why even we do say that real estate business is really that worth
but its not something that you could really make out some guarantees that you would be hitting the right spot. So it is really still that risk taking when it comes to this manner.

Location is everything. I think residential areas are more risky for investments, while countryside and commercial propertials are the ideal ones, because they are versatile and encompass a wide variety of potential renters and businesses concepts which can be implemented there.

[Quidat]

When you are trying to purchase a land or property then you should be considering the ff;

-Site location
-Potential development
-Near on central city
-Accessible
-Concrete main road

The main cons on real estate investment is that it is really that too much expensive
and it does really takes a long time before you could be able to determine whether its a hit or miss
on the property that you had purchased.

[Smartprofit]

Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property although is just concrete but it is real.

I know all stock investor loss money and some of them are killed, but not all property investor loss money, when Elon Musk said crypto is as bs as fiat, I challenge him to prove me property is anything resembling bs.

When you buy into stock, you get snake oil, but promised it’s indeed a “business”, stock =/= business wake up. When you buy into property you indeed get the concrete box, you indeed get what you paid for, I don’t know what stock investor actually buying into, they tell me they’re buying a stock and it is a business, I try to fathom whatever they said, but stock is stock, business is business, you can’t mix something that’s totally different word by word, or context by context, or content by content, it’s snake oil and they’re buying into delusional snake oil and in the end they get thin air certificate that tell them they’re entitled to the business, it’s so funny investor are so gullible. But what is there to say, when I tell them, they’re scammed they don’t believe me and even being very hostile on me and call me retard, they think they’re getting the business when they buy the stock, what give?

In my opinion, real estate is also a very abstract entity. In fact, a person does not own a house in the form of a concrete or wooden box, but the ownership of this object.

Ownership is an abstract concept, it is a subject of agreement between different people among themselves. People came to a certain agreement and formalized it in the form of laws and other regulations. This is how property rights came about.

In this regard, Bitcoin is more real than the ownership of real estate. Bitcoin is based on a mathematical algorithm, not on agreements between individuals.

[Broly46]

My humble projected btc price prediction based on historic data.

2009jan 0
2010 no data
2011feb 0.3 2011dec 5.27 (bull)
2012jan 5.27 2012dec 13.3 (bull)
2013jan 13.3 2013dec 600 (bull)
2014jan 770 2014dec 314 (bear)
2015jan 152 2015dec 434 (bull)
2016jan 382 2016dec 790(bull)
2017jan 998 2017dec 19783 (bull)
2018jan 9052 2018dec 3242 (bear)
2019jan 3747 2019dec 7600 (bull)
2020jan 7400 2020dec 23k (bull)
2021jan 32k 2021dec 68k (bull)
2022jan 32k 2022dec 17k (bear)
2023jan 17k 2023dec 34k (bull)
2024jan 34k 2024dec 68k (bull)
2025jan 68k 2025dec 100k (bull. yay! finally stock2f materialised)
2026jan 60k 2026dec 46k (bear)
2027jan 32k 2027dec 48k (bull)
...

Notes
1There is no exchange data prior to 2014 where cmc was found. It was composed based on random available sources.
2I also assume bitcoin would never possible to exceed the gold total market value by any given time, also assume diminishing reward which mean the bigger the price the lower the reward. For example $152 to $19783 is 130x reward, while $3747 to $68k is 18x reward, which is much smaller. I also assume $17k to $100k for 7x potential reward and it’s also very conservative.
3Also the gold price never make new ATH for the last ten years, which spell a precedent that gold price might set to be at the pinnacle where no institutional can afford it no more.
4evidently, bitcoin suffer one year bear and took another two years to recover to former ATH again, 2013dec 600 took two more years bull for it to return to 2016dec 790, 2017dec 19783 took two years bull to return to 2020dec 23k again, it’s safe to assume 2021dec 68k would take two years bull too for returning to 2024dec 68k again. Take it as reference and not financial advice only.

[KaliLinux]

You said Fiat is bullshit but you need it to build properties 🤦

Just listen to yourself mate, if money doesn't make sense to you then avoid doing anything with money, I wonder what you can do without Fiat, Crypto is just making the whole thing decentralized and digital.

Of cause that is typical of some people, lumpsum everything in one. We do understand that our fiat currencies have mostly been affected by inflation worldwide however we cannot discountenance its importance still. Also, we can begin to look into where it is more profitable to invest in, vis a vis ROI hence, whether investing in properties or financial instruments like stocks/shares or crypto is of choice however, the importance of fiat should not be under play in the society because as you said, we still use fiat for these purchases thus far. 

[EarnOnVictor]

I was narrowly able to understand you, and I will like to correct you that it's all about the preference and preparedness of the investor. Be it fiat, crypto, stock or property, they are all good, and they serve their purpose when they are purchased at the right time. You don't invest in property at all times, and so are the others that have been mentioned earlier. What is good is to learn them to know the right time to do their investment and divestment.

It would not also harm anyone to diversify their portfolio as well, you can invest in all, or almost all to cut risk and make profit surer.

[leonair]

You said Fiat is bullshit but you need it to build properties 🤦

Just listen to yourself mate, if money doesn't make sense to you then avoid doing anything with money, I wonder what you can do without Fiat, Crypto is just making the whole thing decentralized and digital.

Yes if someone wants to do something with cryptocurrency then he has to first buy crypto through fiat and then use it for something.  So fiat is always an important asset.  It can never be underestimated. Stock is a type of business.  It cannot be excluded from the business list.  Because a person stocks a product and later sells it at a profit.  Investing in something for income is a type of business

[Bushdark]

My humble projected btc price prediction based on historic data.

2009jan 0
2010 no data
2011feb 0.3 2011dec 5.27 (bull)
2012jan 5.27 2012dec 13.3 (bull)
2013jan 13.3 2013dec 600 (bull)
2014jan 770 2014dec 314 (bear)
2015jan 152 2015dec 434 (bull)
2016jan 382 2016dec 790(bull)
2017jan 998 2017dec 19783 (bull)
2018jan 9052 2018dec 3242 (bear)
2019jan 3747 2019dec 7600 (bull)
2020jan 7400 2020dec 23k (bull)
2021jan 32k 2021dec 68k (bull)
2022jan 32k 2022dec 17k (bear)
2023jan 17k 2023dec 34k (bull)
2024jan 34k 2024dec 68k (bull)
2025jan 68k 2025dec 100k (bull. yay! finally stock2f materialised)
2026jan 60k 2026dec 46k (bear)
2027jan 32k 2027dec 48k (bull)
...

I can see that most of your predictions are bull when the market 8s bear already.i know we still have time for the market to adjust to follow the path it would go because this is just the beginning of the year and we still have some time for the market to commence a bull momentum just like we have seen in the recent time when Bitcoin moves from 17k to 21k within few weeks.
We should be approaching more higher pp rice since this is just the beginning of the year.

I expect to see more bullish momentum before we get to December hoping that this year is going to be a positive year for all cryptocurrency investors. Many investors had lost huge fortunes in the market and we expected to see a decent movement.

[Broly46]

...add the fact that this wasn’t even the first time someone made a total acquisition of a public company lmao...

Oh well. Fine. I would just want to ask one very simple question, after you have spent and loss more than a few trillions of hard earned money on the stock market, what did you get in the end? After spending trillions to try to OWN the business, what did you get in the end? What’s inside your stock portfolio right now, just empty and nothing to see?

Let’s me answer for you, you get nothing. And you also don’t know why you didn’t get anything because you get couldn’t for some reason, because the regulator, the banker, the boss, the laws maker, all of them team up and trying to make you silence yourselves!!!

But all the talk is on Elon Musk acquire a business to show you he is indeed get a business!! What give, Elon spend just $30billions to acquire business successfully, yet you spend trillions and you get nothing in the end? I smell a lot of foul play here!! Elon Musk is not only born rich, he is also born privilege to OWN the business of the twitter!! The SEC and the GOVT team up and grant HIM, yup they grant him the privilege to OWN the twitter business even for as little as $30billion, which he doesn’t pay it in cash too(read the news for the lolz), I don’t know what BS he is pulling, that he is more privilege and born rich than all investors to OWN the twitter business.

Yup, it’s all but he was grant the right to own the business but you are not getting the grant, you would never own the business you would eat the bug and own nothing after spending a few trillions on it.

Yup! you are not Elon Musk you can’t copy and do whatever he can do. You can’t duplicate what Elon Musk success in acquiring twitter no matter how hard you try.

I know all the talk of Warren Buffett is greatest and oracle of the Omaha and all. Made billions investing in stock market! But you are not Warren Buffett, you can’t copy and do success what he did in life!

Born rich and be the house? Also born privilege? Now with born with a lot of stock option and business? I smell endless bs here. My convincing enough? Sure I know man are just too dumb there is no enough of talk is able to change their stubbornness. And god is behind all this bullshit too since god design man to be such an idiot.

[Smartprofit]

In my opinion, if we want to become rich people, then we need to own various assets. 

Cryptocurrency is an asset for the virtual space.  Currently, the virtual space is gaining global importance.  Not all people can freely travel around the world, but the global Internet is available to everyone. 

Fiat currency (banknotes, money in bank accounts, CBDC) is also very important.  Fiat currency is the most liquid asset and can be easily used to buy goods, works and services. 

Real estate is capital that can be used to generate income (i.e. for renting out). 

By purchasing shares, one can passively participate in the economic activities of enterprises and organizations, receiving income in the form of dividends and an increase in the value of these shares.

[serveria.com]

Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property although is just concrete but it is real.

I know all stock investor loss money and some of them are killed, but not all property investor loss money, when Elon Musk said crypto is as bs as fiat, I challenge him to prove me property is anything resembling bs.

When you buy into stock, you get snake oil, but promised it’s indeed a “business”, stock =/= business wake up. When you buy into property you indeed get the concrete box, you indeed get what you paid for, I don’t know what stock investor actually buying into, they tell me they’re buying a stock and it is a business, I try to fathom whatever they said, but stock is stock, business is business, you can’t mix something that’s totally different word by word, or context by context, or content by content, it’s snake oil and they’re buying into delusional snake oil and in the end they get thin air certificate that tell them they’re entitled to the business, it’s so funny investor are so gullible. But what is there to say, when I tell them, they’re scammed they don’t believe me and even being very hostile on me and call me retard, they think they’re getting the business when they buy the stock, what give?

I'd say everything is bs, except for crypto. Well, not really crypto but Bitcoin (yes I'm a Bitcoin maxi). FIAT can be printed without limits, get devalued by inflation or confiscated, stocks are volatile af and any company can go bust too. RE can be confiscated too, plus you have to pay land/house tax in many countries and if you don't, it will again be taken from you by the government.

Bitcoin is the only true value - it cannot be confiscated, destroyed like paper money, it cannot be eaten by inflation. 

[Broly46]

Some info on gold price and market cap
Total unearthed gold is 2.5b ounces.
2.5 billion ounces is $2.93trillion at $1172
2.5b ounces is $4.5trillion at $1800
2.5b ounces is $5.18trillion at $2072(ATH)

Some info on btc price and market cap
21m btc by $68k is $1.4trillion
21m btc by $100k is $2.1trillion
21m btc by $200k is $4.2trillion
21m btc by $245k is $5.18trillion

Some important non financial advices
You sell gold, you are the house
Bank sell paper gold, bank are the house
You sell bitcoin, you are the house
Elon sell Tesla, Elon is the house
Business sell share, business is the house
House always win, you can’t beat the house in a casino also irl. Don’t want to kill yourselves? Don’t take excessive loan to impress(express) girl or try to beat the house in the casino, don’t let emotions get the best out of you. Nobody care if you dead tomorrow by kys, it mean no value loss to anyone, if you kys due to Tesla pump and dump, Elon have the last laugh to the bank while you end up kys.

[Broly46]

...we still have some time for the market to commence a bull...

There isn’t much to say what’s to come next, I’m not a traveller or prophet, none of them can be regard as truth. Btw the time is today market is absolutely savage and guy today are insane and brutal, I know a lot of guys has move from stock market to crypto en mass, they’re expert traders, they wouldn’t have any mercy on taking your money on any given chance, I can sense the crypto market is now a full blown stock market with all sort of savage and scammer and unreasonable guy, I just wish guy to be careful when they having FOMO on the instant price movement, you wouldn’t know they’re behind 101 hft trading robot(s) that would liquidate any of your open cut loss orders to take your money, I know exactly how nasty is the stock market today that’s completely money grab and blood thirsty and all, none of the FOMO would give you a chance to make some profit, you would be lucky to FOMO into it and quit the trades totally unharmed, survival of the fittest! the target price I provide here is just to give some guidance to what you can expect within the year or month btc price could move, if the price move a lot more than normal, going absolutely parabolic and turning you into going FOMO, check the price with my price and think again whether you’re fine to going FOMO in and loss your money.

I have loss quite a few friends who kill themselves on the subprime property crashes, also stock market crashes, some are also depressed or on life support. I’m glad to be the few survivors on this savage world. I don’t know about who you’re but I wouldn’t shy on giving some life saving tips any time to anyone.

As always food is still number one priority in life, missing out on some trades is fine, but without food and you could starving to dead, you wouldn’t going to have the energy left to make the next trades. Some trader might starve to died, that’s what to be expected, satoshi even acknowledge loss bitcoin make everyone else bitcoin slightly valuable, the dead guy can no longer sell their bitcoin thus enrich us by a little.

[libert19]

I was going to agree with you but then read rat03gopoh's comment — after all even your ownership of property is just your name written on paper, just like your holding of shares.

Although, changing of ownership is dependent on medium — house ownership, share market, crypto. Crypto being easiest of them all to lose ownership, in case key/mnemonic is known by someone else.

[lixer]

I was narrowly able to understand you, and I will like to correct you that it's all about the preference and preparedness of the investor. Be it fiat, crypto, stock or property, they are all good, and they serve their purpose when they are purchased at the right time. You don't invest in property at all times, and so are the others that have been mentioned earlier. What is good is to learn them to know the right time to do their investment and divestment.

It would not also harm anyone to diversify their portfolio as well, you can invest in all, or almost all to cut risk and make profit surer.

Is it true that property or land, only increases in value? I heard it last time on one celebrity when she was asked if what assets she was investing. If it is then there is no point of waiting for it to dip like in cryptos and stocks, but it will be better to buy them as early as possible. We still can save up if we are good at negotiating with the seller.

I think diversifying doesn't always mean that we will now cut the risk but it will still depend on the assets that you are picking. If it's a scam and you invest on different scam projects, you just elevate your risk there rather than minimizing them. This is why I think less good assets is still better and less stressful to manage.

[Iroh]

In my opinion, if we want to become rich people, then we need to own various assets. 

Cryptocurrency is an asset for the virtual space.  Currently, the virtual space is gaining global importance.  Not all people can freely travel around the world, but the global Internet is available to everyone. 

Fiat currency (banknotes, money in bank accounts, CBDC) is also very important.  Fiat currency is the most liquid asset and can be easily used to buy goods, works and services. 

Real estate is capital that can be used to generate income (i.e. for renting out). 

By purchasing shares, one can passively participate in the economic activities of enterprises and organizations, receiving income in the form of dividends and an increase in the value of these shares.

Assets could be used to bring in steady income. But most people tend to go and purchase luxury goods which are mostly liabilities as their value decreases over time. Hence, why rich folks tend to acquire and have more assets than liabilities among their portfolios.
Cryptocurrency, rightly being called an asset for the virtual space is gaining more and more attention and popularity and I think the financial freedom it brings is what drives people to acquire cryptocurrencies.

I think real estate investments, if done wisely could actually bring in a lot of return on investments.

[beerlover]

I was going to agree with you but then read rat03gopoh's comment — after all even your ownership of property is just your name written on paper, just like your holding of shares.

Although, changing of ownership is dependent on medium — house ownership, share market, crypto. Crypto being easiest of them all to lose ownership, in case key/mnemonic is known by someone else.

Well, "it's written on a paper" but at the same time it's hard to find someone selling your house and getting the money for it, without actually owning your house right? The paper you get saying you own that house is not there to prove that you own that house, it's there to make sure nobody else could prove it's their house, you basically block everyone else from doing it, not to just do it yourself.

I would say that scammers on crypto world are much worse, they could do all kinds of fake stuff, I once saw someone trying to sell test net money as mainnet one, 300 BNB on testnet, as the real one, and get the money, things are much wilder here for sure, and that's why some think it's riskier.

[dezoel]

Reminded by this topic, I went ahead and checked what's the sale prices of houses in my area, and what's the rent prices look like, and I have to say it's really not worth it, not in the long run at all. Companies are where it's at, because if the company you own do not go down, then it's going to keep making you profit and the more you invest the bigger you could get. Of course you could also bankrupt, but it's not even close how much you could make with crypto and stocks compared to houses.

If you own a house, you have a "safe" investment, but the income you could make is x10 higher with others which is why it never made any sense to me at all to own a house.

[Synchronice]

OP, if you mean in terms of actual physical existence, then yeah, fiat, crypto and stock, all of them are bias and the property is real but if you mean in terms of ownership, then the only real thing here is crypto.

The government can seize your assets, stocks, fiat, and property if you do something wrong and mess up with them. Just one piece of paper with some lines written on it and your house is not your property anymore.
But how can anyone seize your bitcoins? There is just no fucking way for that to happen. So, yeah, this is the real one!
During the war, your property can get destroyed, your cash can burn during the fire, your fiat and stock can be seized but your bitcoin can stay with you (you can memorize your private key and no one can get this info nor delete it from you nor seize your brain).