Beginner Averaging future trading.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well, but this is something that you are making decisions based on what criteria? Not much can be done if you don't have some type of study previously done, I am one of the people who believe that a fundamental analysis and a technical analysis must be carried out to be able to reach conclusions like yours, and if I want to operate in the short term, I would with a time of 4 hours, because I believe that I can react quickly to any sudden change in the market, now if I do it at larger intervals I think it would be more seen as a long-term trade, or almost as an investment, but obviously I know that long-term trades are the ones that leave the most money.

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[CryptoYar]

I don't think it would be a wise decision to short bitcoin at this price.
Instead of this, it seems more wiser to long from the current price (with low leverage). And if the price drops to $13k buy again ( This will reduce your average price) and again buy if the price drops to $10k .

The above is just an example. You need to calculate your liquidation price and according to that, you have to plan your entries. Just wanted to say that I think a long position from here can be a good relative to short. Ultimately your money your decision.

[tygeade]

You need to calculate your liquidation price and according to that, you have to plan your entries. Just wanted to say that I think a long position from here can be a good relative to short.

Usually I never recommend anything for derivative markets for crypto traders but if you are ready to risk then I guess you are right that high risk traders may opt for taking long positions in derivative markets with relatively small leverages. Small leverages can help to delay liquidation instead of what OP was mentioning about adding excess funds.

Ultimately your money your decision.

But, we are not suggesting to only one person or any particular person. I mean open discussion is for all type of people hence we need to suggest the best and cannot stay calm just because of "not my money".

[Kgdktac]

shorting is a high-risk strategy, as the potential losses can be infinite if the market goes against your position.

IT IS important to have an exit plan for your trades. which clearly you don't. you are of the assumption that you are right and that the market should fall at a given point, but then that is wishful thinkig at best and you shouldnt trade this way

[Johnyz]

shorting is a high-risk strategy, as the potential losses can be infinite if the market goes against your position.

IT IS important to have an exit plan for your trades. which clearly you don't. you are of the assumption that you are right and that the market should fall at a given point, but then that is wishful thinkig at best and you shouldnt trade this way

There’s always a risk and seriously I won’t trade with that kind of small capital because its hard to appreciate it and the fees might not be worth it with that. I suggest to trade with enough capital and good analysis so you can be more effecting. Do trade depends on the market, because you can always play short and long depends on the price trend. Futures trading are too tricky, you have to be wise and trade better with this.

[Jody.Drummer]

shorting is a high-risk strategy, as the potential losses can be infinite if the market goes against your position.

IT IS important to have an exit plan for your trades. which clearly you don't. you are of the assumption that you are right and that the market should fall at a given point, but then that is wishful thinkig at best and you shouldnt trade this way

There’s always a risk and seriously I won’t trade with that kind of small capital because its hard to appreciate it and the fees might not be worth it with that. I suggest to trade with enough capital and good analysis so you can be more effecting. Do trade depends on the market, because you can always play short and long depends on the price trend. Futures trading are too tricky, you have to be wise and trade better with this.

It's true that it's very difficult to manage when the capital spent is that small, in my opinion, the capital spent is tantamount to burning our money. I do not deny that lucky people can multiply with small capital, but once again it is a very high risk. If you want to be like that, we have to be really precise when entering the lowest point or the highest point.
The capital we spend will also be a factor whether the trades we make are successful or not.

[doomloop]

It's true that it's very difficult to manage when the capital spent is that small, in my opinion, the capital spent is tantamount to burning our money. I do not deny that lucky people can multiply with small capital, but once again it is a very high risk. If you want to be like that, we have to be really precise when entering the lowest point or the highest point.
The capital we spend will also be a factor whether the trades we make are successful or not.

Normal trading is risky but how much more the futures trading? With that said, will you guys still manage to use a high capital? And the OP said he is a beginner. For beginners, they will be advised to start small first until they master things. Obviously, we won't use a relatively small capital as there are also fees in trading and we might only end up paying more for the fees than the profits that we can make.

It's possible for a small capital to go a long way for someone who is already good at trading. Trading is done in process, it's not similar to playing a gambling in the casino where you can just bet and if you are lucky you can multiply your money easily.

[LUCKMCFLY]

shorting is a high-risk strategy, as the potential losses can be infinite if the market goes against your position.

IT IS important to have an exit plan for your trades. which clearly you don't. you are of the assumption that you are right and that the market should fall at a given point, but then that is wishful thinkig at best and you shouldnt trade this way

There’s always a risk and seriously I won’t trade with that kind of small capital because its hard to appreciate it and the fees might not be worth it with that. I suggest to trade with enough capital and good analysis so you can be more effecting. Do trade depends on the market, because you can always play short and long depends on the price trend. Futures trading are too tricky, you have to be wise and trade better with this.

You are right, what happens is that there is no security to operate in futures systems, because the market is so unstable that at any moment you can start to win and if you do not exit quickly, your position will burn, and if you do not have enough attention You can liquidate the account, that is the extreme care that I see that must be taken when operating in Futures. What I would recommend to the person who operates in futures is that when operating, be very careful, I personally do not operate with futures, the truth is that I would like to because I am curious, in addition to feeling the adrenaline, but I have no experience and it seems too much to me. risky, and the truth is I don't want to lose money, because it hurts me to lose money on something that I know can be good, money is what should be taken care of the most, although for many people they don't stop it.

[palle11]

shorting is a high-risk strategy, as the potential losses can be infinite if the market goes against your position.

It is not only shorting that is high risk, long also is high risk, so trading itself is high risk not just strategies to trading because both shorting or going long/swing are strategies.

IT IS important to have an exit plan for your trades. which clearly you don't. you are of the assumption that you are right and that the market should fall at a given point, but then that is wishful thinkig at best and you shouldnt trade this way

Yeah you are right. OP is just making sell orders with the hope that price will drop but unfortunately for him the price kept going down and that is why his liquidity keep going down and he is trying to refund his account. He is entry the market at every expected point for price drop, this pattern is also called martingale. Martingale strategy requires enough capital and it appears op doesn't have a clue to what he is up to. He could keep expecting price drop all through this year 

[AakZaki]

You are right, what happens is that there is no security to operate in futures systems, because the market is so unstable that at any moment you can start to win and if you do not exit quickly, your position will burn, and if you do not have enough attention You can liquidate the account, that is the extreme care that I see that must be taken when operating in Futures. What I would recommend to the person who operates in futures is that when operating, be very careful, I personally do not operate with futures, the truth is that I would like to because I am curious, in addition to feeling the adrenaline, but I have no experience and it seems too much to me. risky, and the truth is I don't want to lose money, because it hurts me to lose money on something that I know can be good, money is what should be taken care of the most, although for many people they don't stop it.

As a beginner in futures trading, it is very important to be cautious and do your research before entering the market. The futures market has high risk and high volatility, which can lead to huge losses for traders who do not have a solid understanding of the market mechanism and the associated risks. it is important to evaluate your risk profile and understand trading techniques before entering the market.

If you are just testing the waters, do it safely and don't use too much money, use leverage wisely. Liquidation will haunt those who are greedy.

Losing money in futures trading is very painful and it will be a bitter experience. Therefore, you must learn how to minimize not losing money easily.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I have traded, but not in futures, I think that this is something much more delicate and according to my opca experience, I believe that here in futures trading technical analysis works much more and of course taking fundamental analysis into consideration, only that the fundamental analysis here is little because they are movies that are released very quickly and what should be taken very seriously is that one should not act like crazy and not leave with a great flattening or latage, in the case of crypto, I think that it only I would do it in bitcoin, I wouldn't do it in another currency because for me it would be like guessing and in gfuturs trading you cannot enter by gambling and leaving everything to chance.

[beerlover]

Ultimately your money your decision.

But, we are not suggesting to only one person or any particular person. I mean open discussion is for all type of people hence we need to suggest the best and cannot stay calm just because of "not my money".

This shows the power of this community; this community is really caring and enlightening the traders who are already doing wrong things or getting misguided by greedy people or marketing agents with future trading kind of things. I am as well always against future trading still we like or not there would be at least one topic on every week on this board for whatever reason but finally people are getting tempted toward future trading along with their own reason.

I agree it is our basic responsibility to convey what is good for most common people like future trading kind of things are only suitable for less than 1% of people hence spreading awareness against it is good and needed one.

[Oneandpure]

Better leave with future trading and comeback with spot trading actually for the beginner, its not good financial advice when trying with future trading although on the first time joining got much profit. I have several bad experienced with future trading and greedy can't stopped until all my fund get liquidation and loss from future trading.

Spot trading have alternative with holding for long term when altcoin or bitcoin investment price going drop, but you can't hold for long term with future trading actually your margin fund small and close with liquidation moment. Before losing much fund in future trading and spot trading more safety when facing floating moment.

[palle11]

but you can't hold for long term with future trading actually your margin fund small and close with liquidation moment. Before losing much fund in future trading and spot trading more safety when facing floating moment.

It is good to educate us more on this point about futures trading which is a major point between spot and itself and this is what was said that you can't hodl in futures. Hodling in futures is waste of funds because you will be charged on a running trade that lasted to the next day like it is called swap. This happens on a pair that your allowed you stay over the day. Therefore, if you continue to hodl in futures, the swap will continue to increase as long as long you didn't stop the trade or exit the trade. So at the end if you calculate how much funds thet have gone into the running trade in the form of swap, you will understand it is a waste of time.

[fullhdpixel]

but you can't hold for long term with future trading actually your margin fund small and close with liquidation moment. Before losing much fund in future trading and spot trading more safety when facing floating moment.

It is good to educate us more on this point about futures trading which is a major point between spot and itself and this is what was said that you can't hodl in futures. Hodling in futures is waste of funds because you will be charged on a running trade that lasted to the next day like it is called swap. This happens on a pair that your allowed you stay over the day. Therefore, if you continue to hodl in futures, the swap will continue to increase as long as long you didn't stop the trade or exit the trade. So at the end if you calculate how much funds thet have gone into the running trade in the form of swap, you will understand it is a waste of time.

If you are a beginner then yes, you better equipped yourself first with knowledge so that you can reduce your risks of losing. The gap between futures and spot trading is kinda far but it was spot trading is the one who is easier so every beginner should start here and do only futures when they get a grasp with it. Trading is done actively so hodling can be a silly idea on here.

If someone is willing to HODL then they better to do long-term investing instead. What is good about it, is that it's also easier than that the two (spot and futures). A little knowledge is only needed for one to begin here. It would be better if any beginner can start here before doing any types of trade.

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All types of trading are risky if done without knowledge, that is the main point.
Beginners are expected to more actively learn the mechanics of trading instead of directly placing their money in a particular type of trade. Spot trading is much safer for beginners while learning, but they need to have good strategy so as not to fall into the pump and dump trap. This means they also have to know how to analyze and identify potential assets before placing money.

I would not recommend any newbie to risk his luck in futures trading without good knowledge, it will just kill him faster.

[teosanru]

Deer Mates i have started a plain to shorting BTC at different levels i start my trade with 3$ at the price of 17091$ but market keeps going higher then i take another trade for averaging my opening position at 17269 with another 3$ and then i open another short trade at 17455$ and now market is going higher and higher and my liquidation price is 2090$ which is not far but i tomorrow deposit more money for take liquidation price further away , And make some more short DCA ,
So guys what are your thoughts and advices .

This is an insane way of trading. DCA first of all is never a trading technique, in trading one should do laddering of its positions instead of doing a DCA. This means you have to increase your position with the trade moving towards you and not against you. In trading, your capital is your biggest asset and everything depends on liquidity that is why stop losses are important, you cannot hold onto a losing trade because you are not only losing this trade but also other potential trades. DCA is used more in longer-term trades or positional trading where you don't rely on liquidity. Where you just want to set aside the amount in a currency you have already done analysis with.

[darewaller]

In trading, your capital is your biggest asset and everything depends on liquidity that is why stop losses are important, you cannot hold onto a losing trade because you are not only losing this trade but also other potential trades. DCA is used more in longer-term trades or positional trading where you don't rely on liquidity. Where you just want to set aside the amount in a currency you have already done analysis with.

Yes, trading with DCA in futures is definitely not making sense. With the same capital, with strong technical analysis, they could have made at least 10x more profits within the same time frame. People are simply ignoring then value of time invested along with capital. Such people are sticking with futures trading for no reason as in my opinion, they are all only suitable for long term holding and not even for spot trading.

If you are ready to DCA then holding is the best option for you. In futures trading, you need to pay excess fees for availing leverages on day to day basis. Holding with DCA plans along with those leverage fees might have got at least 2x more profits give that bitcoin is in bullish mode right now.

[death69]

In trading, your capital is your biggest asset and everything depends on liquidity that is why stop losses are important, you cannot hold onto a losing trade because you are not only losing this trade but also other potential trades. DCA is used more in longer-term trades or positional trading where you don't rely on liquidity. Where you just want to set aside the amount in a currency you have already done analysis with.

Yes, trading with DCA in futures is definitely not making sense. With the same capital, with strong technical analysis, they could have made at least 10x more profits within the same time frame. People are simply ignoring then value of time invested along with capital. Such people are sticking with futures trading for no reason as in my opinion, they are all only suitable for long term holding and not even for spot trading.

If you are ready to DCA then holding is the best option for you. In futures trading, you need to pay excess fees for availing leverages on day to day basis. Holding with DCA plans along with those leverage fees might have got at least 2x more profits give that bitcoin is in bullish mode right now.

Ah, the use of DCA in futuress trading can be a bit of a sticky wicket, dontcha think? I mean, there are certainly more profitable strategies out there, so it's not exactly the bee's knees. A tradin plan, on the other hand, that's backed by some solid technical analysis, well, now we're talkin turkey! It can make all the difference, turnin a paltry profit into somethin that'll knock your socks of in no time. Time, of course, is money, and that's especially true in the wild west that is the crypto market. You gotta use it wisely, old sport! Now, futures tradin is quite the tool for the seasoned vet, but it's not exactly a walk in the park, is it? It takes knowledge, discipline, and risk management skills, and even then, it's not for everyone. As a crypto enthusiast myself, I can't stress enough the importance of understandin the risks involved in futuress trading. I mean, jumpin into it willy-nilly is like throwin caution to the wind, and that's just not cricket. One lesson I've learned is that a clear tradin plan, complete with entry and exit points, is an absolute must. And, as a word of encouragment, I suggest that traders find the strategy that best fits their investment goals, risk tolerance, and overall personality.