Legendary, Hero, Sr Account , Member and Jr . 5 alt account together

[notscam420]

Account Connected :
topman21 [ Legendary Member ]
Rigon [ Sr Member ]

Bitcointalk Username: Rigon
Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119419
Post Count: 2235
btc addy: bc1q2aw48zfc00cafh4tr24zwaxku3e2pxetm69hj9
Forum Rank: Sr. Member
Current Merit: 366

https://ninjastic.space/post/61401302

Bitcointalk Username: Rigon
Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119419
Post Count: 2235
btc addy: bc1q2aw48zfc00cafh4tr24zwaxku3e2pxetm69hj9
Forum Rank: Sr. Member
Current Merit: 366

https://ninjastic.space/post/61401335

topman21 apply for WINZ.IO signature campaign with this POA and he Edited post and delete immediately and after 3 minute Rigon apply with same POA post. this two account is completely connected.
A person uses 2 accounts and seems to have mistakenly posted a POA with the wrong account while quickly applying for Signature Campaign , and upon realizing he immediately edited and deleted the previous post. It looks like this person may have more multi accounts

[DaveF]

Yeah, probably something is up with those accounts

There are accusations that the topman21 account has been hacked / sold: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404539.msg60634841#msg60634841
And that the Rigon account is part of a farm: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=119419

So, any campaign / bounty manager that accepts them without doing their research is going to get crap posts.
Makes you wonder if the companies that have some of these campaigns even check the posts of the people wearing their banners.

Or they did what a lot of us have done over the years and copy - paste a post when applying and hit post before making the changes but with the history of both accounts that seams VERY unlikely.

Good catch OP

-Dave

[notscam420]

Yeah, probably something is up with those accounts

There are accusations that the topman21 account has been hacked / sold: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404539.msg60634841#msg60634841

It looks like Rigon bought or hacked this legendary account.  Or it could be that both Rigon and Topman21 have purchased or hacked accounts and one person is controlling them for signature hunting. As it is fully proved that both the accounts completely connected, these accounts are deserved Red trust and flag

[Hispo]

Good catch, OP.
A shame such high-ranking accounts end up gotten sold or hacked.

Also, I have a question for you.
I assume your account is practically new why do you use this account to report these cases instead using your main account?
Do you want to avoid drama or something similar? I don't blame you, I have seen people around here doing the same.

Anyways, thanks for letting us know.
Merry Christmas. 

[Ludmilla_rose1995]

Yeah, probably something is up with those accounts

There are accusations that the topman21 account has been hacked / sold: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404539.msg60634841#msg60634841

It looks like Rigon bought or hacked this legendary account.  Or it could be that both Rigon and Topman21 have purchased or hacked accounts and one person is controlling them for signature hunting. As it is fully proved that both the accounts completely connected, these accounts are deserved Red trust and flag

I don't really know what really happened to these two accounts,, but it's also very likely that the topman21 account owner forgot to change his or her account first and made a POA carefulless. btw good catch OP, you must have worked hard for it but why does it have to be a newbie account LOL.

[DaveF]

Also, I have a question for you.
I assume your account is practically new why do you use this account to report these cases instead using your main account?
Do you want to avoid drama or something similar? I don't blame you, I have seen people around here doing the same.

It's actually probably a good idea. The drama sucks. Create a new user, drop a truth bomb on some people and leave. Need to do it again, create another user and so on.
The only issue is people, myself included, tend to distrust new users a bit more.
Lets face it, if I post something about some accounts being connected people are probably going to pay a lot more attention to it then some random new person.

But, if I don't want to deal with the possible blow-back and everything else, there is not much else you can do.

-Dave

[DireWolfM14]

Create a new user, drop a truth bomb on some people and leave. Need to do it again, create another user and so on.

It can be unfortunate when the "truth bomb" is actually full of hyperbole and little truth.  Look at the two red-tags on topman21's trust wall; both accusing the account of being "hacked" or sold.  True, there seems to be significant circumstantial evidence suggesting the account changed hands, and certainly there's evidence of operating multiple accounts, but neither of those things are banned activities by the forum rules.  If there was legitimate evidence the accounts were "hacked" the mods would lock the accounts, and the other "offenses" may warrant neutral tag at the most.  The referenced post for those red tags even suggests the account may have had three different owners.  Was it "hacked" twice?  Lol, come on man.  Unless the accounts have been used to cheat or scam, I don't see what the big fuss is about.

So actually, this sock puppet isn't meant to avoid drama, but rather it seems he's attempting stir it up. 

Merry Christmas all, carry on.

[AB de Royse777]

OP thanks for your PM.
Has both account applied for same signature campaign where manager asked not to or any other major rules that warren a red feedback? Having more than one account and joining in bounty / signature campaign is absolutely fine as long as in signature campaign they meet my expectation.

[topman21]

Or they did what a lot of us have done over the years and copy - paste a post when applying and hit post before making the changes but with the history of both accounts that seams VERY unlikely.

Good catch OP

-Dave

Completely right.
It's my mistakes .
First I posted the reserve, then I copied someone else's post and posted it. And note that negative trust accounts are not acceptable.  So later I deleted it without any consideration.  I may not have considered that this small mistake of mine would cause great harm to someone else. I apologize for my little ignorant mistake.

[notscam420]

Or they did what a lot of us have done over the years and copy - paste a post when applying and hit post before making the changes but with the history of both accounts that seams VERY unlikely.

Good catch OP

-Dave

Completely right.
It's my mistakes .
First I posted the reserve, then I copied someone else's post and posted it. And note that negative trust accounts are not acceptable.  So later I deleted it without any consideration.  I may not have considered that this small mistake of mine would cause great harm to someone else. I apologize for my little ignorant mistake.

lol how can you copy someone POA before 3 minutes he posting his POA and why your delete your POA after edit it ? This post of yours is giving more confidence that you are the only person controlling two accounts

[Popkon6]

@notscam420

Hey Mr/Mrs

Your account created 25 December 2022(05:02:45 PM)
Your first post 25 December 2022 (05:10:39 PM)

Now I have a question, how did you as a newbie know how to research all account matters through ninjastic.space?  Another question I have for you is how do you know how to post Reputation related posts on account connected.  Then we assume you might be controlled by aliens!  I request you to post by your big account / High Ranked.  You have a high ranking account, if you were really honest you would have posted with your high ranking account.  But you didn't.  So let's assume you are a multiple account farmer yourself.  You should be judged first then anything else.

OP thanks for your PM.

You have also sent a personal message to @Royse777's manager asking him to be removed from the @Rigon signature campaign.  This seems to be a kind of hostile use of yours.  You must have some other trick hidden in you that makes you want to do this.

Also we noticed that only @topman21 used @Rigon's information.  Check if @Rigon matches the information of @topman21 or if there is any previous transaction.  You can't do that with just one-way information.

[notscam420]

@notscam420

Hey Mr/Mrs

Your account created 25 December 2022(05:02:45 PM)
Your first post 25 December 2022 (05:10:39 PM)

Now I have a question, how did you as a newbie know how to research all account matters through ninjastic.space?  Another question I have for you is how do you know how to post Reputation related posts on account connected.  Then we assume you might be controlled by aliens!  I request you to post by your big account / High Ranked.  You have a high ranking account, if you were really honest you would have posted with your high ranking account.  But you didn't.  So let's assume you are a multiple account farmer yourself.  You should be judged first then anything else.

It doesn't matter what my rank is.  See if the facts are true or not . Your react looks like you're probably another alt of Rigon/Topman21.  Why are you asking stupid questions when the high ranked members are understanding the situation?  Are you recommending them in any way?

OP thanks for your PM.

You have also sent a personal message to @Royse777's manager asking him to be removed from the @Rigon signature campaign.  This seems to be a kind of hostile use of yours.  You must have some other trick hidden in you that makes you want to do this.

Did Royse777 mention here that I pm him to remove Rigon from the signature? So how did you know that I told him that? It seems that Royse777 pm'd Rigon about this and asked him to come to this thread to prove the truth.  And you got that pm because you're probably another alt of Rigon

Also we noticed that only @topman21 used @Rigon's information.  Check if @Rigon matches the information of @topman21 or if there is any previous transaction.  You can't do that with just one-way information.

Here topman21 , posted POA 3 minutes before Rigon.  How can topman21 post a POA 3 minutes ago that completely matches Rigon's and at the same time just 3 minutes later Rigon posts the same POA.  Isn't that suspicious?

Note- Popkon6 your behavior and questions completely imply that you are another alt of Rigon.  I'm sorry to say that.  Where I still don't have full proof of this. So I apologize for that


Popkon6 you got highest merit in two transcation from tomos81 which is another hacked or stolen account
Received 6 merit from tomos81 - Wall Observer BC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
Received 5 merit from tomos81 - Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Popkon6]

@notscam420

Hey Mr/Mrs

Your account created 25 December 2022(05:02:45 PM)
Your first post 25 December 2022 (05:10:39 PM)

Now I have a question, how did you as a newbie know how to research all account matters through ninjastic.space?  Another question I have for you is how do you know how to post Reputation related posts on account connected.  Then we assume you might be controlled by aliens!  I request you to post by your big account / High Ranked.  You have a high ranking account, if you were really honest you would have posted with your high ranking account.  But you didn't.  So let's assume you are a multiple account farmer yourself.  You should be judged first then anything else.

It doesn't matter what my rank is.  See if the facts are true or not . Your react looks like you're probably another alt of Rigon/Topman21.  Why are you asking stupid questions when the high ranked members are understanding the situation?  Are you recommending them in any way?

OP thanks for your PM.

You have also sent a personal message to @Royse777's manager asking him to be removed from the @Rigon signature campaign.  This seems to be a kind of hostile use of yours.  You must have some other trick hidden in you that makes you want to do this.

Did Royse777 mention here that I pm him to remove Rigon from the signature? So how did you know that I told him that? It seems that Royse777 pm'd Rigon about this and asked him to come to this thread to prove the truth.  And you got that pm because you're probably another alt of Rigon

Also we noticed that only @topman21 used @Rigon's information.  Check if @Rigon matches the information of @topman21 or if there is any previous transaction.  You can't do that with just one-way information.

Here topman21 , posted POA 3 minutes before Rigon.  How can topman21 post a POA 3 minutes ago that completely matches Rigon's and at the same time just 3 minutes later Rigon posts the same POA.  Isn't that suspicious?

Note- Popkon6 your behavior and questions completely imply that you are another alt of Rigon.  I'm sorry to say that.  Where I still don't have full proof of this. So I apologize for that


Popkon6 you got highest merit in two transcation from tomos81 which is another hacked or stolen account
Received 6 merit from tomos81 - Wall Observer BC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
Received 5 merit from tomos81 - Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

What I want to know is, the quality of your posts makes it clear that you are not new to the forum.  So why do you need to create a new account to post on the forum?  If you were really smart you could increase the reputation of your main account by posting with your main account.  I want to know from you why you didn't do that.  I am sure you have multiple accounts.  You first publish your account here.  Then come to different words.  All the icons you have used can never be used by a newbie.  Then the question may arise how a newbie can learn so much in 8 minutes of creating an account.

[lovesmayfamilis]

You are somehow trying to deviate from the OP's topic and attack him. Speaking of having another alternate account, are you trying to divert users from the OP's topic? There is nothing reprehensible about the fact that the OP opened a new account for exposing, and even the admin does not condemn it; just look for information about it. But what you are doing now only creates additional noise to make others suspect you, as well as another account, which is still silent, in the presence of additional accounts.
I can give you a hint at another account that was created right after the pumpkin contest started and grew thanks to the posts on this "Wall Observer" board. Just like your third account, was created the next day. Do you get what I'm talking about?
But until there is clear evidence, you can continue to defend yourself.

[notscam420]

Account Connected :
Shaha98 [ Member with 131 merits (no negative tagged yet) ]
Holiday5 [ Jr member with 7 merits (no negative tagged  yet) ]
topman21 [ Legendary Member (2 negative tagged ) ]
Rigon [ Sr Member (no negative tagged yet) ]
tomos81 [ Hero member (4 negative taged) ]

#Proof of authentication
Bitcoin username: Holiday5
Bitcoin profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=338
Telegram username: @Holiday550
Join Campaigns: Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, article, telegram
BSC20 address: 0x45b72af3711115AEBa5C8663427c168d7A55a6fA

https://ninjastic.space/post/61071705

#Proof of authentication
Bitcoin username: Holiday5
Bitcoin profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=338
Telegram username: @Holiday550
Join Campaigns: Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, article, telegram
BSC20 address: 0x45b72af3711115AEBa5C8663427c168d7A55a6fA

https://ninjastic.space/post/61071891


Shaha98 apply for Bounty Campaign with this POA and he Edited post and wrote reserved and delete immediately Holiday5 apply with same POA post. this two account is completely connected. shaha doing this 2 times on different bounty campaign.

The whole incident coincides with Rigon and Topman21 and they are both trying to rank up by getting merit from the pumpkin contest. And have merits exchanged several times between these 5 accounts (Rigon , Topman21 , Shaha98 , Holiday5, tomos81 )
1. shaha98 got 9 merits in 5 times from Topman21
2. And he gave Rigon 2 merits in 1 time
3. shaha98 also got 10 merits in 3 times from tomos81 (which is also hacked or bought account)
-Merit Transcation proof by BPIP - https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3381835

So far evidence shows that these 5 accounts (Rigon , Topman21 , Shaha98 , Holiday5 , tomos81 ) are owned by one and only one person is controlling the accounts. And trying to grow their account by merit farming themselves . even it guess, they have several other alt accounts.  Which needs some more research to figure out and I'm working on it

[_BlackStar]

So far evidence shows that these 5 accounts (Rigon , Topman21 , Shaha98 , Holiday5 , tomos81 ) are owned by one and only one person is controlling the accounts. And trying to grow their account by merit farming themselves.

So what's next, what do you expect?

Some accounts have been tagged for allegedly changing hands, but some have not. I didn't do any research on the 5 accounts your catch for allegedly cheated some campaign, which is why I didn't tag them. If you believe all accounts you've catch have cheated some campaigns based on evidence, you can tag them as long as the evidence you've found is valid. After all, you've hidden behind newbie account, so it's certainly safe for your main account.

[Plaguedeath]

It seems the @OP is getting off the track, first he accused @topman21 and @Rigon, the proof is quite reasonable to say they're connecting each other and trying to cheat the campaign.

But after @Popkon6 making some noise, the @OP trying to link his account with @topman21 and @Rigon, he also link with @Shaha98, @Holiday5 and @tomos81 because they have a connection of getting a lot merit of this circle.

However @theymos already state this.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

It's make this connection is full of assumption rather than a correct evidence, so I wouldn't leave negative tag to those accounts.

[DaveF]

It seems the @OP is getting off the track, first he accused @topman21 and @Rigon, the proof is quite reasonable to say they're connecting each other and trying to cheat the campaign.

But after @Popkon6 making some noise, the @OP trying to link his account with @topman21 and @Rigon, he also link with @Shaha98, @Holiday5 and @tomos81 because they have a connection of getting a lot merit of this circle.

However @theymos already state this.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

It's make this connection is full of assumption rather than a correct evidence, so I wouldn't leave negative tag to those accounts.

Merit circles / loops are a tough judgement call.

The problem is not just with the circle of merits when they happen, it's when they happen in posts that in someones opinion don't warrant the merits.
Some of the merits that went around were on posts that seem to be in the OPs opinion not merit worthy [I don't think they are either]

You then get back to the issue of is someone sending merit back to someone else since they got merit from them and felt obligated.
In theory it should not matter but in reality humans are kind of hard wired to do this.

BUT, when 1 or 2 of the accounts seem to not be legit it taints the view of people looking at them and what they did and they only at that point see the worst view of their actions.

So, it's not just the merit it's the entire way everything looks for these accounts.

-Dave

[Rikafip]

Now I have a question, how did you as a newbie know how to research all account matters through ninjastic.space?

And where exactly OP claimed that this is his first account and that he just came to bitcointalk? There's some thing called alt account.

I request you to post by your big account / High Ranked.  You have a high ranking account, if you were really honest you would have posted with your high ranking account.  But you didn't.  So let's assume you are a multiple account farmer yourself.  You should be judged first then anything else.

Who are you to request anything? There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone creating a new account to expose something like this. Hell, not even theymos has anything against it

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

You should be judged first then anything else.

Judged based on what? Exactly what rule he broke? All that it matters here is whether OP provided evidence strong enough for his claims, and not who is behind this alt account.

[Hispo]

It seems the @OP is getting off the track, first he accused @topman21 and @Rigon, the proof is quite reasonable to say they're connecting each other and trying to cheat the campaign.

But after @Popkon6 making some noise, the @OP trying to link his account with @topman21 and @Rigon, he also link with @Shaha98, @Holiday5 and @tomos81 because they have a connection of getting a lot merit of this circle.

However @theymos already state this.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

...
BUT, when 1 or 2 of the accounts seem to not be legit it taints the view of people looking at them and what they did and they only at that point see the worst view of their actions.

So, it's not just the merit it's the entire way everything looks for these accounts.

-Dave

Correct.
Besides, we have already have some past cases about merit abuse, the one which comes to mind was the case of naim027; who was caught giving merit to his alt account. He did not know that was frown upon, regardless, he got red trust (it was later removed / changed to neutral).

In my personal opinion if someone is proven to be farming 2 accounts or abusing alt-accounts then they are likely to have more than two, still It should be ideal to have further evidence just to be sure.