My ignore list got a Christmas cleanup

[NeuroticFish]

I'm making this post because I think that some might be interested, especially after certain discussions not very long ago related to Jerry... (so, @dkbit98, if this is a reason to ignore me, it's up to you, I am playing fair and notifying you).
I was already thinking on this back then, but I made my mind just now and I've also done it now: I've cleaned up my ignore list.

It was not only as a "second chance" gesture (Merry Christmas!), it was also done in order to make sure I won't get into troubles with unresponsive "Ignore users settings" page.
Yeah, I also think that some may have improved in the past years (it's my first such cleanup), but I know that some will think that it's highly unlikely such things happen.


As a matter of fact I've already added back one user, so please don't be too harsh with me; the show goes on.

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[_BlackStar]

Wow, are you going to do it regularly at the end of the year? I'm a little curious about this, sorry.
So far I don't have many users in my ignore list, it only has a few users. But your idea seems pretty good considering it's always possible to wish someone was better now since being ignored. But I will double check before I delete everything, especially cheaters I think they should stay there forever.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

OP, you're being very generous, which I respect.  There have been a handful of members I've taken off my ignore list over the years, but from what I've seen very few deserve a second chance because most shitposters don't ever improve their post quality.  That's not true of all of them, but it's a general rule that's so infrequently violated that I wouldn't even consider clearing my ignore list.

Same goes for my list of users blocked from sending me PMs.  But hey, to each his own.  I'm an old grinch who's got little sympathy for crappy posters, and you've got the Christmas spirit.  Keep spreadin' the cheer!

[Poker Player]

Well, I guess my case is different, because I think I do not have many shitposters on ignore, some like cryptoboss and such, I rather usually report shitposters but those who have years of experience in the forum with certain knowledge as franky1 or Timelord2067 I put them on ignore and I have never regretted. I think that the ignore is a great tool to avoid messes and headaches.

In my case it's not a matter of giving them a second chance, it's giving me the opportunity to have a more bearable experience in the forum.

[NeuroticFish]

Wow, are you going to do it regularly at the end of the year? I'm a little curious about this, sorry.

No, I don't have plans to do this on each end of the year. Maybe in 4-5 years I'll do it again

Having people on ignore list means I didn't spend time reading posts with high chance to hold no value.
And I expect to have to put most of them back though the following months, excepting those who have became inactive and the very few that have improved.
Plus, if this becomes a rule, then it becomes more a standard than a Christmas surprise , which I also don't want to happen.

[Timelord2067]

For context, the previous poster (post #4) is sad owing to this being on their Trust Feedback page:

Timelord2067

2021-12-28

I supported PP in their thread examining lightlord's recent behaviour. Then, thread that looked at connections (linked by 3rd person) between PP & 2 other UID's. PP has chosen to turn my support of dkbit98 into a personal attack against myself *even though* I made no accusations against PP As I more than once told marlboroza: "Respect is a two way street"

(so, @dkbit98, if this is a reason to ignore me, it's up to you,

Basically, you and I are being caught up in the cross fire of the stouch between these two persons.

Sad really.

[NeuroticFish]

Let's stay in the Christmas spirit and not start flame wars here, please. It's not the purpose of this topic and it may force me lock it earlier than I intended.

[Timelord2067]

Let's stay in the Christmas spirit and not start flame wars here, please. It's not the purpose of this topic and it may force me lock it earlier than I intended.

Believe me I'd like to start 2023 afresh and was hoping that by watering down what I *could* have said hoped to start a dialogue in the hope of reaching out with an olive branch and clearing entrenched misunderstandings.  Hence my comment that it is sad that I supported that user and they in turn ignore me.

Like the other posters in this this thread I have very few UID's on ignore - less than ten from recollection.  How many UID's do you have on ignore?  And, what would be an "Okay" number (to have on ignore) ??

[NeuroticFish]

Believe me I'd like to start 2023 afresh and was hoping that by watering down what I *could* have said hoped to start a dialogue in the hope of reaching out with an olive branch and clearing entrenched misunderstandings.  Hence my comment that it is sad that I supported that user and they in turn ignore me.

Well, calling names is not really an olive branch 
However, you have to understand that you may not be able to change others' impressions/ideas/thoughts and move on. You can start afresh also by not caring that much about what others think. It's all about (your) mindset. (But I'm not saying anything new, isn't it?)

How many UID's do you have on ignore?  And, what would be an "Okay" number (to have on ignore) ??

There's no rule for an "okay"  number , it's really up to people's standards and, very important, the forum subs one is reading or ignoring.
I have P&S and also Altcoins and some others too on ignore, hence my ignore list was not very big. It had though nearly 500 entries.
I've read about people who couldn't open that settings page when reaching bigger numbers (I think that it was 2000). And I think that there's a good chance that at least 1/4 of my list was already made of inactive or banned accounts.

[crwth]

Respect with your decision to clean up your ignore list since it’s a big deal to do that when you are really trying to change and be better and give a chance towards those who you think have changed as well. It is easy to put them back if you’re still not satisfied with what they’re saying.

What do you think other aspects could be done similar to this? In a general sense. 

[Timelord2067]

Well, calling names is not really an olive branch 

I conceded that point.

I had no idea we could even add 500 plus users to our ignore lists (my ten or so users' list pales into insignificance against those sorts of numbers).  That might be why some of the hard core ignorers have gresemonkey add-ons to mask users' posts (which makes you wonder why they are even in the Forum if they choose to ignore so many voices around them)

[NeuroticFish]

What do you think other aspects could be done similar to this? In a general sense. 

Sorry, nothing comes to my mind. I've done the same in the settings of BitcoinTalk SuperNotifier, but there were only 5 names in that ignore list.

I had no idea we could even add 500 plus users to our ignore lists (my ten or so users' list pales into insignificance against those sorts of numbers).  That might be why some of the hard core ignorers have gresemonkey add-ons to mask users' posts (which makes you wonder why they are even in the Forum if they choose to ignore so many voices around them)

Well, although I do use the bpip extension in my browser, one doesn't need anything special to see (and click) the Ignore link in the user profiles in all their posts.
I don't think that anything more complicated (greasemonkey / custom scripts) would be needed.

[_BlackStar]

No, I don't have plans to do this on each end of the year. Maybe in 4-5 years I'll do it again

LOL, really? I think most of them are no longer living on the forum.

Having people on ignore list means I didn't spend time reading posts with high chance to hold no value.
And I expect to have to put most of them back though the following months, excepting those who have became inactive and the very few that have improved.
Plus, if this becomes a rule, then it becomes more a standard than a Christmas surprise , which I also don't want to happen.

Some shitposters would be better off when they realized a few things about bitcoin earning opportunities through their accounts. There is a trend where a lot of bounty hunters are starting to take advantage of the kindness and generosity of merit source to earn some merit to be eligible to apply for signature campaign, this trend has increased and it is true that I have seen them trying to stay on threads that allow them to get some merit.

I don't know why this could become the new standard and what the considerations are, but I don't want it because basically there are a lot of users who deserve to be on the ignore list forever. But I guess I can be kind on birthdays instead of at the end of the year, it's like remission for prisoners. LOL

[2double0]

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I don't know why this could become the new standard and what the considerations are, but I don't want it because basically there are a lot of users who deserve to be on the ignore list forever. But I guess I can be kind on birthdays instead of at the end of the year, it's like remission for prisoners. LOL

Remission?
Or reminders for them to stop shitposting and get back with some real passionate gesture without the hunger to earn merits, but honestly give their best to the community without the greed of getting rewarded for it?
I don't keep users on ignore lists because to me, I believe that sometimes we miss out on a great discussion or debate between some user we ignored and the other person whom we adore. But like bearded baby said, to each his own.

@NeuroticFish, such a nice way to wish Merry Christmas while throwing away grudges and hard feelings out of your heart and mind for the users on your ignore list (especially for dkbit98).

[NeuroticFish]

@NeuroticFish, such a nice way to wish Merry Christmas while throwing away grudges and hard feelings out of your heart and mind for the users on your ignore list (especially for dkbit98).

I think that something was misunderstood. dkbit98 was never on my ignore list. But he warned me some months ago that if don't ignore / I keep answering to Jerry he will add me to his ignore list.
So Jerry was on my ignore list for a while (although I am still not perfectly and 100% sure it was the right decision), but he's out of that list again.
This is why I've notified him specifically. That's all.

LOL, really? I think most of them are no longer living on the forum.

Exactly. Most of those spamming for some pennies may be long gone (and others coming, no worries) and the few ones remaining may have learned their ways and have become meaningful by then.

[JollyGood]

Well, as long as the list does not get too long it will be something to consider revising but after a certain point (as the OP mentioned) there is a possibility of getting those unresponsive ignore user pages. It is coming to the end of 2022 therefore maybe we all should make a resolution in some capacity  

OP, you're being very generous, which I respect.  There have been a handful of members I've taken off my ignore list over the years, but from what I've seen very few deserve a second chance because most shitposters don't ever improve their post quality.  That's not true of all of them, but it's a general rule that's so infrequently violated that I wouldn't even consider clearing my ignore list.

Same goes for my list of users blocked from sending me PMs.  But hey, to each his own.  I'm an old grinch who's got little sympathy for crappy posters, and you've got the Christmas spirit.  Keep spreadin' the cheer!

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

It was not only as a "second chance" gesture (Merry Christmas!), it was also done in order to make sure I won't get into troubles with unresponsive "Ignore users settings" page.
Yeah, I also think that some may have improved in the past years (it's my first such cleanup), but I know that some will think that it's highly unlikely such things happen.

I respect your decision which is right and considerable enough to have given a second chance and not only that, but for those you might have ignored out of emotion because of certain conditions that may not warrant that, but it's still your choice and decision to make and judge, you're better far from others who will take on this kind of pressure from shitposters or probably from post they did not admire enough and tag them rather than reporting to moderators or ignoring such users, this kind of your decision does not go alone with Christmas but the Yuletide entirely to rethink and reset for a new year.

As a matter of fact I've already added back one user, so please don't be too harsh with me; the show goes on.

Of course this has no barrier at all, any member proving desirous for a new version should definitely be enlisted, as old things have passed away and all things become new, never hesitate adding up for the new list as long as they are worth deserving.

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I think that something was misunderstood. dkbit98 was never on my ignore list. But he warned me some months ago that if don't ignore / I keep answering to Jerry he will add me to his ignore list.

I'm not sure who Jerry is, but it sounds like a legitimate ignore reason by dkbit98.

my ignore list is not too extensive and there are only dominant trolls and uncompromising spammers. I don't see how anyone can improve their communication here while excluding everyone whose opinion they don't like. It boils down to a narrow circle of people, but in that case, a forum is not the best communication platform.

[JollyGood]

Your post reminded me of something. Though this is a little off topic, I remember receiving a PM from a member who told me something similar about being given an ultimatum.

He said figmentofmyass (yes the one with several accounts rolled on to various campaigns including at least three known farmed accounts rolled on to the Chipmixer at the same time) had told him to add me to his distrust/exclusion list otherwise figmentofmyass would exclude him.

The member never gave in to threats or blackmail, he did not exclude me but a short while later when the known farmed accounts of figmentofmyass were exposed in this thread, I realised I must have tagged one or more of his farmed accounts (that he was trying to build up) with negative trust therefore he took the step to try to mitigate his losses and resorting to threats in order to achieve his objective. To this day I do not know how many people he contacted to try to get them to exclude me but at least one member did let me know.

Basically, regardless of which members might be involved in any case (and not being specific about your case with dkbit98), I think it is petty conduct for one member to say to another they will be added to an ignore list if they do not do such and such as instructed especially if it means controlling who you can or cannot even post to. That in itself is tantamount to blackmail.

I do not know who Jerry is but you excluding or ignoring him and others has to be your own decision and not that of someone that does not like Jerry or others you post to.

@NeuroticFish, such a nice way to wish Merry Christmas while throwing away grudges and hard feelings out of your heart and mind for the users on your ignore list (especially for dkbit98).

I think that something was misunderstood. dkbit98 was never on my ignore list. But he warned me some months ago that if don't ignore / I keep answering to Jerry he will add me to his ignore list.
So Jerry was on my ignore list for a while (although I am still not perfectly and 100% sure it was the right decision), but he's out of that list again.
This is why I've notified him specifically. That's all.

[NeuroticFish]

That in itself is tantamount to blackmail.

You are only partly correct. In this case I've understand is reasons, since I've been there too. I've also had moments I thought that Jerry may be a spammer (I was not that certain, still...). Later on it has become clearer to me that he was just a guy that felt insecure about his every step, not an actual forum spammer.

So imho it's one of the few accounts who might deserve a second chance. I guess that we don't share this opinion, still, as I said, I understand his.
It may not matter much, Jerry hasn't posted since October (or at least he didn't in the subs not ignored by me).

[Welsh]

Ultimately, who you ignore is your business, and you don't need to make it public. Making it public that you've ignored x will only cause conflict. It's probably just to keep it unknown to them that you've ignored them. If you wish to review your ignore list periodically then that's also your decision. However, I do think it's a good idea. There's many examples of users that start off on the wrong foot, i.e poor posting quality, but actually become a prominent poster a little later on.

There's been many examples of this over the years. I haven't ignored anyone for obvious reasons, but also because I've never really felt the need too.

[JollyGood]

You are only partly correct. In this case I've understand is reasons, since I've been there too. I've also had moments I thought that Jerry may be a spammer (I was not that certain, still...). Later on it has become clearer to me that he was just a guy that felt insecure about his every step, not an actual forum spammer.

So imho it's one of the few accounts who might deserve a second chance. I guess that we don't share this opinion, still, as I said, I understand his.
It may not matter much, Jerry hasn't posted since October (or at least he didn't in the subs not ignored by me).

I understand a little better now after you explained.

If the member (Jerry) is a little insecure (possibly even socially shy) then maybe he will appreciate replies from you since you already have a rapport built with him. If he has not posted since for a couple of months, maybe he will be back in the new year. All in all, it seems a good idea to go through the ignore list. When I have time I will try to go through my list too.

Ultimately, who you ignore is your business, and you don't need to make it public. Making it public that you've ignored x will only cause conflict. It's probably just to keep it unknown to them that you've ignored them. If you wish to review your ignore list periodically then that's also your decision. However, I do think it's a good idea. There's many examples of users that start off on the wrong foot, i.e poor posting quality, but actually become a prominent poster a little later on.

There's been many examples of this over the years. I haven't ignored anyone for obvious reasons, but also because I've never really felt the need too.

You are in a unique position, your position within the forum does not allow you to ignore users as you need to have eyes all over the place to see what is going on but in some cases, lists are made public and they do not necessarily cause conflict.

[Welsh]

You are in a unique position, your position within the forum does not allow you to ignore users as you need to have eyes all over the place to see what is going on but in some cases, lists are made public and they do not necessarily cause conflict.

Yeah, although technically I can there's nothing implemented to specifically stop me, and as far as I know there's no mention of it. However, yeah it would be counter productive obviously. I don't think I ignored anyone prior to being moderator though. I think I tried it, but ultimately got annoyed at it more than it benefited me.

lists are made public and they do not necessarily cause conflict.

I know they are made public by quite a lot of users. However, I've never really seen the benefit of it. Ideally, each user would be vetting the ignore list, and adding based on their experience instead of trusting a list of another users. Posting it definitely has the potential of causing conflict, even if that's not public conflict. I'm not saying it's guaranteed to cause conflict, but there's definitely a decent chance of that happening.

I guess it can streamline the process of finding spammers, and therefore ignoring them. However, that can also be counter productive since the spammers aren't getting reported anymore; instead they're being ignored. Obviously, for users that you don't agree with, ignoring them sometimes makes sense. Personally, I'd rather see what they say, since there's only a select few that I completely disagree with everything they say. Usually, users have some sort of substantial input, even if that's once in a blue moon.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Inspired from NeuroticFish I am going to wipe my ignore list. Well the following was my ignore list LOL

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Ratimov
TheCryptonianGroup

I think I ignored Ratimov when you had the plagiarism case against you and in the discussion it went out of hand. No idea though why the other one was in ignore. You both have a wishful new year and prosperous life ahead.

With JollyGood I have bitter opinion but trust me I have nothing personal against you. I don't like you because you are careless and too triggered to insult others which eventually bring bad effect to the forum. After all we all love the place. Don't overdo with the feedback and default trust setting, you will be loved by many people.

Other than all these, I can not remember I have any bad experience with anyone else.

Ultimately, who you ignore is your business, and you don't need to make it public. Making it public that you've ignored x will only cause conflict. It's probably just to keep it unknown to them that you've ignored them.

You nailed it. 50% of the reputation clash will reduce if people are respectful to each others.

[JollyGood]

I concur, there are chances of causing conflict or issues if ignore lists are made public. And as you said, even though ignoring members you do not agree with could sometimes make sense it might be better to not ignore them to either see if they have changed their ways or to report them if their posts are worthy of being reported.

Going back to the OP, I think it is a good idea to review ignore lists. I will have to revise mine at some point and will even have stop ignoring some members just in order to report their low quality posts. Never know, if they are not sock-puppets, trolls and alt-accounts maybe I can even engage with some of them.

Thank you OP for giving us all the idea of a Christmas clean up of our ignore lists 

lists are made public and they do not necessarily cause conflict.

I know they are made public by quite a lot of users. However, I've never really seen the benefit of it. Ideally, each user would be vetting the ignore list, and adding based on their experience instead of trusting a list of another users. Posting it definitely has the potential of causing conflict, even if that's not public conflict. I'm not saying it's guaranteed to cause conflict, but there's definitely a decent chance of that happening.

I guess it can streamline the process of finding spammers, and therefore ignoring them. However, that can also be counter productive since the spammers aren't getting reported anymore; instead they're being ignored. Obviously, for users that you don't agree with, ignoring them sometimes makes sense. Personally, I'd rather see what they say, since there's only a select few that I completely disagree with everything they say. Usually, users have some sort of substantial input, even if that's once in a blue moon.

[NeuroticFish]

Inspired from NeuroticFish I am going to wipe my ignore list. Well the following was my ignore list LOL

Nice, although you had an oddly small list 
And Ratimov, although I know his pasts, does have useful posts and topics imho, so unignoring him should be a plus.

Thank you OP for giving us all the idea of a Christmas clean up of our ignore lists 

I'm really glad that my idea was not that bad and helped others too

Happy New Year!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Nice, although you had an oddly small list 

It's been long years I am here but I never felt any anger, hate towards anyone except once or twice. If you check my feedback leaving activity you will see the same. Even my reporting status (right now it's only 17) will give you a good idea.

This an open space, people will make mistakes, none of us are their babysitter. But when anything is too wrong and obvious case of wrongdoing only then we are may be losing our patience. We have our agreements and disagreements but we all have one identity, one common thing which is Bitcoin. I am happy to be a part of the biggest idea of the century and I will love to see many more people are joining us in the future to build an army of Bitcoin supporters.

And Ratimov, although I know his pasts, does have useful posts and topics imho, so unignoring him should be a plus.

Yes he does. Everyone have their mistakes. A second/third chance makes them better.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

And Ratimov, although I know his pasts, does have useful posts and topics imho, so unignoring him should be a plus.

Yes he does. Everyone have their mistakes. A second/third chance makes them better.

The fact that some offended person (who did not have the courage to write from his main account) accused me of plagiarism does not mean that I was given another chance. Plagiarism with all the right links? - wow, this is a sensation. It is a pity (for the accuser and all those who supported him), not one plagiarism could be found. Some people try to present the events that happened as the fact that after the accusation, I began to write only my own lyrics. But this is a lie.

9 and 6 are look alike. It depends on which side you are looking at. It's a past, let us learn to forget it and move on. Let the new year bring you happy and prosperous life brother. Happy new year. 🤝

[NeuroticFish]

Everything else is subjective reflections

This is the point you're completely right and you should never forget that. Whatever people may be telling, subjectivism is an important factor.
While it's hard fact that you were not proven as plagiarist (else your account would be gone), the people did make their own opinion on that matter (whether that's correct and reflecting reality or not, that's another matter).
So, no offense, but imho it won't help anyone to make a big deal of it, since, whether you like or not, in many cases it won't be easy to change that subjective bit. I may be wrong, but I think that this matter is best to remain buried in the past.


However, this is imho off topic and I would appreciate to not continue a/the dispute in here, since the idea of the topic was in Christmas spirit.

[JollyGood]

Some members mentioned in the past I was somewhat fast giving feedback and/or excluding, it was the festive spirit you instilled in me that made me thank you for the idea. I have not looked at my list yet but I hope I do before the bah humbug spirit takes over 

I'm really glad that my idea was not that bad and helped others too

Happy New Year!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

What difference does it make, from which side to look at it? The forum rules clearly define plagiarism as text without acknowledgment of the source. Everything else is subjective reflections and does not apply to the very essence of plagiarism on the forum.

You yourself gave your answer when you said everything else is subjective. Remember the forum rules are not official. The mods do not agree with something do not mean it's wrong. Your case was not black and white, it does not matter who brought it in front of us. It was a gray practice (mods were not clearly instructed that why you got the pass) but anyway let's not pull it from the past and continue off-topic. It's gone far from the present.

Let the new year bring you happy and prosperous life brother.

Don't you find it hypocritical that in my trust you write to me that I'm a whore, and in the comments you put a handshake emoticon and call me brother?

Don't you think you pushed it too hard. You could be nice and ask it nicely. I did not even check what I wrote on your trust page (I don't need to check too) when I was making my last post. You guys really need to stop pushing hard to check feedback page and your trust list all the time. Having a place in DT and having a lot of green feedback does not make you any better than everyone else. Bare in mind, there are many people who never cared for all these things, if we did then with the years in the community many of us could have over 100+ green feedback and a long list of DT inclusion. That's not why you are in the forum.

Let's not address you as my brother. You are just a name around the corner. I hope it makes you feel a bit better. It was obviously a hypocrisy.