Will it be profitable for the business?

[RockBell]

Accepting bitcoin is not bad at all because its features fast transfer you in control of your asset so much cooler than that of fiat. The payment method has actually focused too much on fiat and its transaction, and that is what we are facing right now in my region since the implementation of the fiat policies with minimal fiat withdrawal and failed transfers everyone is currently suffering because of all these policies in my region they actually need diversification. Thank God, Bitcoin is already being accepted and the world is changing. so it's actually a profitable business.

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[JayJuanGee]

Accepting bitcoin is not bad at all because its features fast transfer you in control of your asset so much cooler than that of fiat. The payment method has actually focused too much on fiat and its transaction, and that is what we are facing right now in my region since the implementation of the fiat policies with minimal fiat withdrawal and failed transfers everyone is currently suffering because of all these policies in my region they actually need diversification. Thank God, Bitcoin is already being accepted and the world is changing. so it's actually a profitable business.

Probably for the next 20 years to 100 years while we are transitioning between fiat systems and bitcoin system, and while we are likely having parallel systems in place, it seems quite practical that we are going to at least refer to values in terms of fiat values.  Yet, even if we are referring to fiat values, we do not necessarily have to interact with fiat systems in the event that we have more and more people who are willing to transact with us in bitcoin.... so surely it likely is going to take a long time (such as somewhere between 20 years to 100 years) to transition to a way in which a large number of the population is ready, willing and able to transact directly with bitcoin.. especially if currently, we still have less than 1% of the whole world's population that has value in bitcoin, and even those who have value in bitcoin, likely they are low coiners and do not have enough of their personal wealth in bitcoin. .since in the future (maybe 20 to 100 years?), we will have more people holding more value in bitcoin.. .and value will continue to gravitate more and more and more into bitcoin, even though while we are in the process of witnessing such value gravitating into bitcoin, it seems as if it takes a long time to see much if any progress.. especially when we see quite a few rich folks getting reckt as fuck in 2022.. through a variety of scams such as FTX, Terra/Luna, 3AC, Celsius, BlockFi, Genesis/Gemini/GBTC, Voyager, etc.

[noormcs5]

Accepting bitcoin is not bad at all because its features fast transfer you in control of your asset so much cooler than that of fiat. The payment method has actually focused too much on fiat and its transaction, and that is what we are facing right now in my region since the implementation of the fiat policies with minimal fiat withdrawal and failed transfers everyone is currently suffering because of all these policies in my region they actually need diversification. Thank God, Bitcoin is already being accepted and the world is changing. so it's actually a profitable business.

The only thing which is concerning for me is that governments do not accept bitcoin and if we start to accept bitcoin as a payment gateway in our business, governments have all the rights to take legal action against us, if they have prohibited the use of digital currencies.

Therefore i would suggest that consult any lawyer in your country before making use of bitcoin in your business. Yes, if there is no issues from the government level, then you can enjoy the benefits associated with bitcoin adaption.

[Ziskinberg]

Accepting bitcoin is not bad at all because its features fast transfer you in control of your asset so much cooler than that of fiat. The payment method has actually focused too much on fiat and its transaction, and that is what we are facing right now in my region since the implementation of the fiat policies with minimal fiat withdrawal and failed transfers everyone is currently suffering because of all these policies in my region they actually need diversification. Thank God, Bitcoin is already being accepted and the world is changing. so it's actually a profitable business.

The only thing which is concerning for me is that governments do not accept bitcoin and if we start to accept bitcoin as a payment gateway in our business, governments have all the rights to take legal action against us, if they have prohibited the use of digital currencies.

Therefore i would suggest that consult any lawyer in your country before making use of bitcoin in your business. Yes, if there is no issues from the government level, then you can enjoy the benefits associated with bitcoin adaption.

Might not put us in jail but it is possible that they will seize our Bitcoin. If it was not legal in our place, we never had to force it because it was hard to become the enemy of the authorities as they will surely take action. It was good for OP to stop doing this in order to have some peace of mind and make his life easier rather than to hide from the government because, at the end of the day, we are the ones who suffered most, not those who are in uniform.
That is why is is very important that we are aware of the situation around and laws implemented just to avoid any violation in order to keep safe and be guided.

[humanvelocity]

Simply NO. Unfortunately We haven't reached a point where cryptocurrency could ever be profitable for business. As we all have seen many companies accept bitcoin as payment but due to many reasons almost all of them have stopped. This could be either its because of unregulated money or it could even be because of constant value change of Bitcoin which will negatively effect the company.

[panganib999]

With high volatility rates and sky-high fees in when transactions are surging? I don't think so. Small businesses most especially will be the ones to suffer the most if they try implementing cryptocurrency payments. That's going to be another payment channel you will have to declare and maintain in your taxes, plus not a lot of people are into cryptocurrencies. Although most of these issues could be solved nowadays with a little coding so you can easily relate your price for products/services to the current price of bitcoin, I still don't think it's a wise move. As a gimmick yes bitcoin payments or crypto payments could work, but focusing on it will just be a waste of time, at least for me.

[ancafe]

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I would suggest that the vast majority of folks are not in a situation in which they can save/invest 50% of their income, so if you have that much ability to save/invest you are in a very strong financial position.  Now if you are in some kind of a sheltered situation in which many of your lodging and food expenses are covered, then maybe that could be a temporary situation - or surely it is possible to find some kinds of living arrangements that are not toiling in terms of the amounts if the cost of the location is being shared.  For many years, I used to sublet out portions of my living space, which caused my own living expenses to be way lower than other similarly-situated people of my then income level.

There are a lot of ways to classify out the ways that you use your cashflow, and I would surmise that the category of having a savings is merely a way of having a float in which that money could be used towards investing or used towards expenses depending on how much of a float that you want to maintain, and many people do have trouble even allocating more than 10% of their income towards investing.. even though it is healthy to have 10% to 20% (or more if possible) that can be invested on a regular basis.. perhaps keeping track monthly cashflow/expenses and then at least projecting out 3-6 months or maybe even projecting out up to 24 months is good.. with most of the focus being on making sure that the 3-6 months is pretty well understood and so the further out periods can be more vague and ballpark ideas, but still there should be abilities to identify if there might be some cashflow crunches that might happen 1 year or 2 years out based on information already largely known.

Of course, it is impossible for everyone to be the same in determining the numbers for savings/investments, especially in the midst of an increasingly complicated life for the economy, these numbers come out based on my experience, so I try to calculate 100% full income. If everyone doesn't try harder to save/invest, then there will never be financial planning that can bring them to the gate of financial freedom, the relationship between the magnitude of the numbers is just a technical matter that can be changed according to the wishes and capabilities of each. Meanwhile, what I mean is only patterns and how to start saving/investing.

Regarding the size of the amount, it depends on the person who can manage it, because if done consistently the amount can slowly increase. Currently, to achieve financial independence (wealth), we must use money to balance, because there is no format and pattern that can be done if you don't have money to start, at least that's what I learned in business and investment life.

[JayJuanGee]

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I would suggest that the vast majority of folks are not in a situation in which they can save/invest 50% of their income, so if you have that much ability to save/invest you are in a very strong financial position.  Now if you are in some kind of a sheltered situation in which many of your lodging and food expenses are covered, then maybe that could be a temporary situation - or surely it is possible to find some kinds of living arrangements that are not toiling in terms of the amounts if the cost of the location is being shared.  For many years, I used to sublet out portions of my living space, which caused my own living expenses to be way lower than other similarly-situated people of my then income level.

There are a lot of ways to classify out the ways that you use your cashflow, and I would surmise that the category of having a savings is merely a way of having a float in which that money could be used towards investing or used towards expenses depending on how much of a float that you want to maintain, and many people do have trouble even allocating more than 10% of their income towards investing.. even though it is healthy to have 10% to 20% (or more if possible) that can be invested on a regular basis.. perhaps keeping track monthly cashflow/expenses and then at least projecting out 3-6 months or maybe even projecting out up to 24 months is good.. with most of the focus being on making sure that the 3-6 months is pretty well understood and so the further out periods can be more vague and ballpark ideas, but still there should be abilities to identify if there might be some cashflow crunches that might happen 1 year or 2 years out based on information already largely known.

Of course, it is impossible for everyone to be the same in determining the numbers for savings/investments, especially in the midst of an increasingly complicated life for the economy, these numbers come out based on my experience, so I try to calculate 100% full income. If everyone doesn't try harder to save/invest, then there will never be financial planning that can bring them to the gate of financial freedom, the relationship between the magnitude of the numbers is just a technical matter that can be changed according to the wishes and capabilities of each. Meanwhile, what I mean is only patterns and how to start saving/investing.

Regarding the size of the amount, it depends on the person who can manage it, because if done consistently the amount can slowly increase. Currently, to achieve financial independence (wealth), we must use money to balance, because there is no format and pattern that can be done if you don't have money to start, at least that's what I learned in business and investment life.

Yep.. many of the formulas for investment work way better if you are able to generate cashflows in various ways, and some people try to get rich with other people's money, which is all fine and dandy if you don't get caught in some kind of downwardly spiraling situation in which you are not able to service debts.. so frequently, it can be helpful to have a variety of cashflow sources, even if many of them might not be cashflow positive for periods of time.. .so sometimes very smart people can be caught in the wrong direction when they overly complicate things and they are not able to identify how they might be generating their cashflows or what their expenses might be - including holding onto a sufficient cushion of cash (or otherwise liquid value) during times in which cashflow might be drying up, or expenses might be increasing.

[YUriy1991]

It can be beneficial for your business. I do believe in the future of digital currencies and adopting cryptocurrency for business is a good idea. The best thing to do is to first find out if there is any demand for Bitcoin among your customers. Poll them, discuss it with them, learn how to engage them. Then you can decide what percentage of your sales you should be willing to accept in BTC. If the answer is 10 percent, maybe you can start by accepting 0.01 bitcoin and increase that quantity as you grow your customer base.

[coinremitter]

It's a win-win game for you. Because you are not only opening the door for your domestic customers but in future, if you expand your business then you can easily accept payment in Bitcoin and also in other cryptocurrencies as well.

Apart from that you can easily transfer your payment into your wallet at the very lowest withdrawal fees.


https://coinremitter.com/

[ancafe]

Yep.. many of the formulas for investment work way better if you are able to generate cashflows in various ways, and some people try to get rich with other people's money, which is all fine and dandy if you don't get caught in some kind of downwardly spiraling situation in which you are not able to service debts.. so frequently, it can be helpful to have a variety of cashflow sources, even if many of them might not be cashflow positive for periods of time.. .so sometimes very smart people can be caught in the wrong direction when they overly complicate things and they are not able to identify how they might be generating their cashflows or what their expenses might be - including holding onto a sufficient cushion of cash (or otherwise liquid value) during times in which cashflow might be drying up, or expenses might be increasing.

Of course we will not recommend anyone investing using other people's money, because that will not provide guarantees regarding generating stable cash flows, say the worst scenario will occur after borrowing money, then the next problem will be much worse when you have to pay it off. Instead of maximizing cash flow, you're setting yourself up for new problems. Let's just simplify the investment/saving pattern, take the smallest part to start, bitcoin is a way for someone to achieve financial independence, even though it takes a long time because of the small capital correlation. But we can take advantage of this condition and see the right time to make purchases and do it regularly when profits have been obtained on a periodic basis.

Oya JJG, I want to listen to a little bit of a small correction process that is happening to bitcoin in the near future, is this a normal reaction or another sentiment from events that continue to be connected with the damn The Fed, is it related to interest rates or inflation avoidance patterns that will occur in that country, is there a connection?

[JayJuanGee]

It's a win-win game for you. Because you are not only opening the door for your domestic customers but in future, if you expand your business then you can easily accept payment in Bitcoin and also in other cryptocurrencies as well.

Apart from that you can easily transfer your payment into your wallet at the very lowest withdrawal fees.
https://coinremitter.com/

Hey coinremitter.  I don't really know much about your service; however, I think that it would be a much better practice if you were to refer members to another forum thread/post rather than to an outside link.. and you seemed to have had a forum write-up/post about your service in November 2019.. so that would be a good place to refer members and even to have outside links in that post/thread (which you did). 

I don't have any official forum authority, but it just seems to me to just be a better practice to not blanketly refer members to outside links absent some kind of context, which you did provide good context (and a sales pitch) in your November 2019 post (of course, you can edit/update your November 2019 post from time to time as needed, too). 

I am referring to this one:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205257.msg53202200#msg53202200

Oya JJG, I want to listen to a little bit of a small correction process that is happening to bitcoin in the near future, is this a normal reaction or another sentiment from events that continue to be connected with the damn The Fed, is it related to interest rates or inflation avoidance patterns that will occur in that country, is there a connection?

I don't claim to be any kind of Bitcoin price analysis expert, especially when it comes to trying to figure out short-term BTC price moves, which can be all over the place.. and we do seem to have historical tendencies to get surprised in both directions, from time to time.. even though sometimes, it seems that we might have high levels of confidence in the direction of a trend, until it reverses.. which is not frequently clear when it will reverse, until after such trend reversal has already happened.

Since I have been studying the BTC space for more than 9 years, I have come up with a decent number of ideas and frameworks that seem to help me regarding many times that people try to make claims about what the BTC price is doing and why it is doing what it is doing, which also might include implications regarding where we came from (and why), where we are at and where we might be going, so no matter what it becomes a lot more difficult to understand what might happen in the short term than to have some greater confidence about longer term BTC price prospects or the ongoing strength of bitcoin's investment thesis.. especially referring to long term reasons to be in bitcoin, even if any of us might be scared of bitcoin, we still might want to make sure that we are in, and perhaps the more scared that we are would justify a smaller position size rather than not being in at all.

Frequently I have also fought against claims regarding bitcoin being correlated to equity markets or that the Fed controls BTC prices, and that kind of bullshit, even though we know that bitcoin does tend to react to various liquidity dynamics, and sometimes will react more extremely to high liquidity or low liquidity situations, such as when everyone is trying to get into dollars in March 2020, they were getting out of bitcoin, but then bitcoin sprung back way larger too.. which would be far from proclaiming that bitcoin is correlated to traditional markets, even if we cannot escape that in various short-term price moves we are going to experience some of the back and forth momentum dynamics, including bitcoin's performing in ways that do not align with proclamations by pro-bitcoiners that bitcoin is a "good store of value" - even while it is experiencing short term volatility that is more extreme than any other asset class - (I am not including shitcoins in this assessment that compares legitimate asset classes because shitcoins largely just correlate to bitcoin and piggy back on bitcoin price dynamics, since bitcoin is the leader in the "crypto" space to the extent anyone wants to attempt to suggest that there is any meaningful asset class that is called "crypto" rather than figuring out that bitcoin is the price leader in that class and it is erroneous to be attempting to assess "crypto" without figuring out bitcoin first).

Having said all of that, I get the sense that bitcoin's seemingly short term correlation to traditional asset classes, such as stocks will likely continue to have various periods of short term correlation, even though the fact of the matter remains that bitcoin is not correlated to those asset classes in any kind of meaningful way in terms of what it is and what are it's fundamentals in being an asset class that has never previously existed, and so the periods in which bitcoin has a step-ladder kind of upward shift in its price curve can happen at any time, and then bitcoin will go back to being "correlated" except for periods in which it may well jump up a bit.. whether that is 10x, 5x or even some smaller variation, such as 2x, and then it will go back to looking like it is "correlated" and the bitcoin naysayers, no coiners, precoiners, fence sitters, shitcoiners will bash on bitcoin and proclaim that it is correlated, and in the mean time wealth will continue to transfer into bitcoin while many folks don't seem to know what the fuck is going on, and sure none of what I am saying is guaranteed to happen, but surely it seems good to continue to accumulate (and allocate) value into bitcoin in order that you personally are able to continue to profit from ongoing transfer of wealth that frequently is difficult to identify as happening.. when it has been happening for close to 10 years, if not longer and there is no real evidence to show that the investment case for bitcoin is getting any weaker but instead is likely getting stronger rather than weaker and a decent number of normies will continue to get distracted into failing/refusing to invest/allocate into bitcoin or into selling whatever bitcoin that they had accumulated because they do not understand the value of the asset that they hold (referring to bitcoin).

So part of my point would be not to get too distracted by the various magical games played by the Fed and other various traditional financial/government institutions that are likely either desperate and/or trying to talk you out of your coins... even if they surely might have some short-term success in pushing or keeping the BTC price down, but there are no guarantees that they will be successful in that either.

[Mr.right85]

Accepting bitcoin is not bad at all because its features fast transfer you in control of your asset so much cooler than that of fiat. The payment method has actually focused too much on fiat and its transaction, and that is what we are facing right now in my region since the implementation of the fiat policies with minimal fiat withdrawal and failed transfers everyone is currently suffering because of all these policies in my region they actually need diversification.

Bitcoin for a fast means of payment! Well, that could be so as it depends on the product of the congestion of the network with the applied fee. The reverse would mean a much slower delivery time on transaction but the good news is, it's best for long distance payments.

Fiat do infact applies with fees too but, its far less and doesn't require any confirmation timing except in terms of a bad network.

About the new minimum on transactions as implemented in our country, bitcoin is a huge advantage but, its still not recognised is it. That's what makes it risky when faced with the law but, it isn't unlawful either. Don't know what situations one could get faced with but, its subject to the business owner on how to manage them affairs with respect to cryptocurrency.

[ancafe]

I don't claim to be any kind of Bitcoin price analysis expert, especially when it comes to trying to figure out short-term BTC price moves, which can be all over the place.. and we do seem to have historical tendencies to get surprised in both directions, from time to time.. even though sometimes, it seems that we might have high levels of confidence in the direction of a trend, until it reverses.. which is not frequently clear when it will reverse, until after such trend reversal has already happened.

And I'm sure that's not your typical, but the long discussion that fills the bitcointalk space and the explanation you give about bitcoin is enough to mark/recognize who JJG really is. It's hard to follow your long discussion if someone is not focused and doesn't have a broad understanding, because I'm sure anyone will find it difficult to provide arguments that are in accordance with the facts that happened, especially me?

Since I have been studying the BTC space for more than 9 years, I have come up with a decent number of ideas and frameworks that seem to help me regarding many times that people try to make claims about what the BTC price is doing and why it is doing what it is doing, which also might include implications regarding where we came from (and why), where we are at and where we might be going, so no matter what it becomes a lot more difficult to understand what might happen in the short term than to have some greater confidence about longer term BTC price prospects or the ongoing strength of bitcoin's investment thesis.. especially referring to long term reasons to be in bitcoin, even if any of us might be scared of bitcoin, we still might want to make sure that we are in, and perhaps the more scared that we are would justify a smaller position size rather than not being in at all.

Very often experience can bring someone to know more, that's why we are always taught by experience about how someone will grow and develop, the simplicity and risk contained in bitcoin makes people think about diversity, regardless of the long term or short term chosen as an investment model which is conducted. The fear that comes from ignorance, that's the biggest reason for doubts about bitcoin, then how can other people trust it, because these kind of people act on knowledge and know the long-term prospects of bitcoin in an ever-evolving technological format.

Frequently I have also fought against claims regarding bitcoin being correlated to equity markets or that the Fed controls BTC prices, and that kind of bullshit, even though we know that bitcoin does tend to react to various liquidity dynamics, and sometimes will react more extremely to high liquidity or low liquidity situations, such as when everyone is trying to get into dollars in March 2020, they were getting out of bitcoin, but then bitcoin sprung back way larger too.. which would be far from proclaiming that bitcoin is correlated to traditional markets, even if we cannot escape that in various short-term price moves we are going to experience some of the back and forth momentum dynamics, including bitcoin's performing in ways that do not align with proclamations by pro-bitcoiners that bitcoin is a "good store of value" - even while it is experiencing short term volatility that is more extreme than any other asset class - (I am not including shitcoins in this assessment that compares legitimate asset classes because shitcoins largely just correlate to bitcoin and piggy back on bitcoin price dynamics, since bitcoin is the leader in the "crypto" space to the extent anyone wants to attempt to suggest that there is any meaningful asset class that is called "crypto" rather than figuring out that bitcoin is the price leader in that class and it is erroneous to be attempting to assess "crypto" without figuring out bitcoin first).

The store of value is one of the hallmarks of bitcoin that many people know about and on the other hand this concept tends to be associated with long-term assets that can bring big changes to the store of money. While the pro-bitcoiners will continue to try to make bitcoin fall to a priceless price, thus playing any issue to bring it down, such as the case of inflation and interest rates played by the Fed, but various methods are used and in the end they failed to control it. This is where the privilege of bitcoin that we can be sure not found anywhere else. I also don't really like Shitcoin right now, for some reason we already know, so putting it in an asset class comparable to bitcoin can never be correlated, because the relationship and the power of maintaining the value of holding it are very different

Having said all of that, I get the sense that bitcoin's seemingly short term correlation to traditional asset classes, such as stocks will likely continue to have various periods of short term correlation, even though the fact of the matter remains that bitcoin is not correlated to those asset classes in any kind of meaningful way in terms of what it is and what are it's fundamentals in being an asset class that has never previously existed, and so the periods in which bitcoin has a step-ladder kind of upward shift in its price curve can happen at any time, and then bitcoin will go back to being "correlated" except for periods in which it may well jump up a bit.. whether that is 10x, 5x or even some smaller variation, such as 2x, and then it will go back to looking like it is "correlated" and the bitcoin naysayers, no coiners, precoiners, fence sitters, shitcoiners will bash on bitcoin and proclaim that it is correlated, and in the mean time wealth will continue to transfer into bitcoin while many folks don't seem to know what the fuck is going on, and sure none of what I am saying is guaranteed to happen, but surely it seems good to continue to accumulate (and allocate) value into bitcoin in order that you personally are able to continue to profit from ongoing transfer of wealth that frequently is difficult to identify as happening.. when it has been happening for close to 10 years, if not longer and there is no real evidence to show that the investment case for bitcoin is getting any weaker but instead is likely getting stronger rather than weaker and a decent number of normies will continue to get distracted into failing/refusing to invest/allocate into bitcoin or into selling whatever bitcoin that they had accumulated because they do not understand the value of the asset that they hold (referring to bitcoin).

In the end everyone wants to be seen as independent in getting financially or in other words rich. In the short term maybe bitcoin is correlated with stocks or traditional assets that you say, because both of them run with certain conditions that affect them, but in the long term bitcoin fundamentals in maintaining value almost nothing can offset, be it gold, stocks or assets other traditional. There is plenty of evidence for those who want to see the power of bitcoin in maintaining value and even if it has to go through cycles. The last 5, 7, 8 and 10 years are a portrait of bitcoin's journey for those who fail to understand that bitcoin is able to maintain asset value, so that this period will be full of regret for those who refuse to accept bitcoins.

So part of my point would be not to get too distracted by the various magical games played by the Fed and other various traditional financial/government institutions that are likely either desperate and/or trying to talk you out of your coins... even if they surely might have some short-term success in pushing or keeping the BTC price down, but there are no guarantees that they will be successful in that either.

I had been through some tough times on the road to financial stability, so didn't really care for the magic that traditional financial institutions, governments, and even Fed news were trying to deliver. Because almost a decade of involvement in bitcoin has provided ample evidence to keep cash flows more stable. Actually I intend to take a bigger share for the next investment period, like the pattern I explained in the previous post and refers to the level of financial ability to compensate.

[JayJuanGee]

I don't claim to be any kind of Bitcoin price analysis expert, especially when it comes to trying to figure out short-term BTC price moves, which can be all over the place.. and we do seem to have historical tendencies to get surprised in both directions, from time to time.. even though sometimes, it seems that we might have high levels of confidence in the direction of a trend, until it reverses.. which is not frequently clear when it will reverse, until after such trend reversal has already happened.

And I'm sure that's not your typical, but the long discussion that fills the bitcointalk space and the explanation you give about bitcoin is enough to mark/recognize who JJG really is. It's hard to follow your long discussion if someone is not focused and doesn't have a broad understanding, because I'm sure anyone will find it difficult to provide arguments that are in accordance with the facts that happened, especially me?

Well, if you remain interested in the bitcoin topic, then you can keep chipping away at it.  There is quite a lot to bitcoin, and surely, I tend to have some angles that are interesting to me and I have certain angles in which I like to attempt to attack (or address) certain issues, yet there are a lot of areas of bitcoin that I do not understand very well (such as some of the technical matters and even reading the code or being able to code), and to the extent that some of the bitcoin-related topics might include technical (or coding) angles, then I have to rely upon the opinions and the assessments of members who are more informed on those kinds of topics and who seem to be presenting some of those subject matters in ways that seem to be sufficiently fair and reasonable from what I do feel that I am able to grasp.

Since I have been studying the BTC space for more than 9 years, I have come up with a decent number of ideas and frameworks that seem to help me regarding many times that people try to make claims about what the BTC price is doing and why it is doing what it is doing, which also might include implications regarding where we came from (and why), where we are at and where we might be going, so no matter what it becomes a lot more difficult to understand what might happen in the short term than to have some greater confidence about longer term BTC price prospects or the ongoing strength of bitcoin's investment thesis.. especially referring to long term reasons to be in bitcoin, even if any of us might be scared of bitcoin, we still might want to make sure that we are in, and perhaps the more scared that we are would justify a smaller position size rather than not being in at all.

Very often experience can bring someone to know more, that's why we are always taught by experience about how someone will grow and develop, the simplicity and risk contained in bitcoin makes people think about diversity, regardless of the long term or short term chosen as an investment model which is conducted. The fear that comes from ignorance, that's the biggest reason for doubts about bitcoin, then how can other people trust it, because these kind of people act on knowledge and know the long-term prospects of bitcoin in an ever-evolving technological format.

Sure always be curious, attempting to learn, humble, and trying to engage in some level of critical thinking and skepticism in order that you can try your best to come to your own conclusions - including that some times there might be needs to change your mind, change your opinion, change your perspective/framework and/or change your application of what you know to your actions, including whether or how you might invest in order to accumulate BTC, how you might maintain your BTC stash if you feel that you have already accumulated a large enough stash, or how you might engage in liquidation behaviors whether all at once or just shaving some off from time to time... maybe try to make learning and involvement in bitcoin fun too.... if possible.

Frequently I have also fought against claims regarding bitcoin being correlated to equity markets or that the Fed controls BTC prices, and that kind of bullshit, even though we know that bitcoin does tend to react to various liquidity dynamics, and sometimes will react more extremely to high liquidity or low liquidity situations, such as when everyone is trying to get into dollars in March 2020, they were getting out of bitcoin, but then bitcoin sprung back way larger too.. which would be far from proclaiming that bitcoin is correlated to traditional markets, even if we cannot escape that in various short-term price moves we are going to experience some of the back and forth momentum dynamics, including bitcoin's performing in ways that do not align with proclamations by pro-bitcoiners that bitcoin is a "good store of value" - even while it is experiencing short term volatility that is more extreme than any other asset class - (I am not including shitcoins in this assessment that compares legitimate asset classes because shitcoins largely just correlate to bitcoin and piggy back on bitcoin price dynamics, since bitcoin is the leader in the "crypto" space to the extent anyone wants to attempt to suggest that there is any meaningful asset class that is called "crypto" rather than figuring out that bitcoin is the price leader in that class and it is erroneous to be attempting to assess "crypto" without figuring out bitcoin first).

The store of value is one of the hallmarks of bitcoin that many people know about and on the other hand this concept tends to be associated with long-term assets that can bring big changes to the store of money. While the pro-bitcoiners will continue to try to make bitcoin fall to a priceless price, thus playing any issue to bring it down, such as the case of inflation and interest rates played by the Fed, but various methods are used and in the end they failed to control it. This is where the privilege of bitcoin that we can be sure not found anywhere else. I also don't really like Shitcoin right now, for some reason we already know, so putting it in an asset class comparable to bitcoin can never be correlated, because the relationship and the power of maintaining the value of holding it are very different

There are certain mistakes that can be made in terms of how any of us might conceive of bitcoin, including that there can be long term bitcoiners who hold bitcoin, but they still do not really know what bitcoin is, beyond NGU (number go up) technology... There are also a lot of folks who hold bitcoin, but the fact of the matter is that they are really low coiners because they hold small amounts of value in bitcoin because they are afraid to allocate more value into bitcoin, so surely the low coiners are better off than the no coiners, but the low coiners might end up feeling regrets later because they ONLY realize and appreciate that they had underallocated value towards bitcoin for the wrong reasons.... and if BTC's value ends up going up (or should I say when?), then these underallocated (low coiners) will feel quite a bit of regret that they had not been more assertive in their bitcoin allocation rather than their whimpy mindset in regards to it...(perhaps a failure/refusal to study bitcoin more in order to attempt to understand the thing that they are investing into a wee bit MOAR better)... and I am not even proclaiming that there are any guarantees that bitcoin's price is going to go up.. but there are still ways to be somewhat aggressive in your investment into bitcoin without going overboard in terms of figuring out the possibilities of your own finances and psychology... so for example, I could say that the beginner could consider allocating anywhere between 1% and 25% of his/her quasi-liquid investment portfolio into bitcoin, and such person is clearly capable of allocating somewhere in the middle, such as 10%, but instead s/he purposefully chooses to ONLY allocate 1% into bitcoin, because s/he is too scared and too lazy to actually research into what bitcoin is... and maybe distracted into putting value into USA IBonds that earn "yield" or some other bullshit that hardly helps to attempt to appreciate that the reason that the US Govt is offering such high interest rates on its IBonds is because some countries are refusing to buy USA debt... so the USA has to offer high rates in order to attract investors who likely would be better off allocating way more into bitcoin instead of getting distracted into some investment areas that are likely not as good as they seem to be.
 

Having said all of that, I get the sense that bitcoin's seemingly short term correlation to traditional asset classes, such as stocks will likely continue to have various periods of short term correlation, even though the fact of the matter remains that bitcoin is not correlated to those asset classes in any kind of meaningful way in terms of what it is and what are it's fundamentals in being an asset class that has never previously existed, and so the periods in which bitcoin has a step-ladder kind of upward shift in its price curve can happen at any time, and then bitcoin will go back to being "correlated" except for periods in which it may well jump up a bit.. whether that is 10x, 5x or even some smaller variation, such as 2x, and then it will go back to looking like it is "correlated" and the bitcoin naysayers, no coiners, precoiners, fence sitters, shitcoiners will bash on bitcoin and proclaim that it is correlated, and in the mean time wealth will continue to transfer into bitcoin while many folks don't seem to know what the fuck is going on, and sure none of what I am saying is guaranteed to happen, but surely it seems good to continue to accumulate (and allocate) value into bitcoin in order that you personally are able to continue to profit from ongoing transfer of wealth that frequently is difficult to identify as happening.. when it has been happening for close to 10 years, if not longer and there is no real evidence to show that the investment case for bitcoin is getting any weaker but instead is likely getting stronger rather than weaker and a decent number of normies will continue to get distracted into failing/refusing to invest/allocate into bitcoin or into selling whatever bitcoin that they had accumulated because they do not understand the value of the asset that they hold (referring to bitcoin).

In the end everyone wants to be seen as independent in getting financially or in other words rich. In the short term maybe bitcoin is correlated with stocks or traditional assets that you say, because both of them run with certain conditions that affect them, but in the long term bitcoin fundamentals in maintaining value almost nothing can offset, be it gold, stocks or assets other traditional. There is plenty of evidence for those who want to see the power of bitcoin in maintaining value and even if it has to go through cycles. The last 5, 7, 8 and 10 years are a portrait of bitcoin's journey for those who fail to understand that bitcoin is able to maintain asset value, so that this period will be full of regret for those who refuse to accept bitcoins.

I think that there was a paper by Fidelity in 2014 or so, or maybe it was a bit later than that, and they had already recognized and appreciated that bitcoin was not correlated to any other asset class (I did a quick look and I could not find the article;.. maybe it was Ark investing that wrote the article?  I cannot remember, exactly)... Sure, bitcoin might appear to be correlated in the short term, but you are going to get yourself into trouble if you really buy into those correlation ideas when you are attempting to assess bitcoin as a possible long term investment.   In part, my point is that there have been decent articles and assessments made regarding bitcoin's value (investment) proposition that go back since when it was first starting to get a price, and it seems that some people come to see, appreciate and understand some of the value propositions sooner than others.

And probably, there is no need to attempt to "get rich quick" because it is likely that your chances to reach fuck you status become greater if you create a solid investment plan into bitcoin that includes your attempt to NOT lose your bitcoin, and under traditional investment maybe you might get to fuck you status in 30-40 years (and you might not even get there since value gets eroded under you on an ongoing basis); however, with bitcoin you may well be able to cut down your timeline in half towards 15-20 years, even though there still are not any guarantees, but it still seems like a good idea to have some kind of investment plan that includes bitcoin.

So part of my point would be not to get too distracted by the various magical games played by the Fed and other various traditional financial/government institutions that are likely either desperate and/or trying to talk you out of your coins... even if they surely might have some short-term success in pushing or keeping the BTC price down, but there are no guarantees that they will be successful in that either.

I had been through some tough times on the road to financial stability, so didn't really care for the magic that traditional financial institutions, governments, and even Fed news were trying to deliver. Because almost a decade of involvement in bitcoin has provided ample evidence to keep cash flows more stable. Actually I intend to take a bigger share for the next investment period, like the pattern I explained in the previous post and refers to the level of financial ability to compensate.

Are you saying that you have been investing in bitcoin for nearly 10 years?  So you been in bitcoin longer than me?  I see your forum registration date as late 2015.  I am late 2013 when I started in bitcoin so just a bit over 9 years of learning and building my stake into bitcoin and then attempting to maintain such investment portfolio with a bitcoin allocation that feels comfortable to my situation.

[Charmekkd]

in my opinion if you accept payments using bitcoin it will be good but you have to have very large capital,
because I see an unstable bitcoin price which of course will make a profit if you sell bitcoin when the price is rising or it could be a loss, if you sell bitcoin when the price is down. I mean you have to have big capital, namely to handle it because selling bitcoins cannot be arbitrary, of course, because you have to wait for the right time.

[CryptoBuds]

in my opinion if you accept payments using bitcoin it will be good but you have to have very large capital,
because I see an unstable bitcoin price which of course will make a profit if you sell bitcoin when the price is rising or it could be a loss, if you sell bitcoin when the price is down. I mean you have to have big capital, namely to handle it because selling bitcoins cannot be arbitrary, of course, because you have to wait for the right time.

Having a large amount of capital would be an advantage but not required. If you accept bitcoin for your business, it means bitcoin is not an investment but a payment method, you need to convert your bitcoins to fiat or stablecoins as soon as you receive them, you won't incur any loss. In this case, bitcoin acts as a form of payment, so we need to secure the business's budget, we should be completely separate from other investments, not expect to receive payment in bitcoin, and then hold and wait for the price to rise before selling.

[bitterguy28]

It is good to use Bitcoin as a payment option especially for a business that have to do with a different kind of countries and being exposed and advertised who is social media such as Facebook telegram Instagram Twitter and there's so many of other social media's that you can advertise your business so the fastest means of payment should be with Bitcoin or we the crypto coins so I will support search that payment of any online she will made with Bitcoin

you never mention about the adoption first because no matter how you wanted  to use bitcoin in your business but if your country is not open for acceptance ? then why implement if you cannot profit for it?
I would love having this with my business but the problem is that only few from my place are having knowledge in bitcoin or crypto so how they can be willing to use it as payments?

I think it's a misconception that investing in Bitcoin will always make money.  

I don't think it is misconception when we are willing to take a risk and willing to hold longer? because from the year of creation? bitcoin continues to increase its value .

if given a chance? I will always use or accept Bitcoin for my Business, JUST BITCOIN ALONE and not altcoins.

[coinremitter]

YES, It will defiantly profitable for your business because when it comes to business we should talk about payment getaways that charges high amount on transactions but on the other hand cryptocurrency payment getaways charges the lowest fees like "coinremitter" this platform only charges 0.23% fees on transactions which is lowest fees in world among all cryptocurrency payment getaways. so the merchants can earn more eventually. so in my opinion it will be more profitable for business.

[AnonBitCoiner]

For business purpose BTC is good technique but it will not give your profit when you sell it at lower price and do not wait for the worthy price. Other thing is about its unstable nature so you should be aware of it and also to know that how to deal with its unstable nature.

I don't see any person who make investment in bitcoin and have face loss instead of those who make decisions against the market condition.

you should have invest in bitcoin and then leave it for more than five years then you will see that what happens with it price. So definitely by doing this you will attain maximum outcomes and also never think about market when it's lower because its just for sometimes and then after this decreasing the market show regular enhancement in it's price.