"Prepare for deflation in 2023"

[oaz7t]

Everyone wants to be happy in the current economy and the only good way is to have the economy reset to normal sacred line! No deflation and inflation but just a normal line for the economy and every countries growing slowly and steadily. I think things have been pretty rough since past 4 years. Since pandemic the decline started and few countries went for war and sanctions causing it massive after effect on the global economy.

The problem is, we are now having the child play and with the time this won't be good. There is no way people will start accepting the bitcoin just like that. If this situation persist like this, forget about the up surge, people will start selling their deposits for living optimum life!

[Godday]

We hope that this year the bull run will happen again, because in the past year we have all gone through difficult times for the crypto market, and the economic crisis is increasingly felt, for now the Federal Reserve is making big plans so that the current economic downturn can be resolved, although many predict that the bull run will not happen this year but if it is increasingly depressed then a price jump in the value of the crypto will occur immediately so that the deplation will not occur In a very long time, then we have to prepare ourselves so that there are big things that happen later that will not be missed.

[Wind_FURY]

ok quick lesson

M1=coins and notes.. this is going down
M2=coins notes and demand deposits(debit/credit cards) this is small decrease due to M1
       (counting just debit credit cards(electronic payments see a rise)
M3=coins notes demand deposits and savings accounts, money market deposits this is increasing
       (counting just a savings accounts would see a larger rise compared to debit cards)
       (counting just money markets accounts would see an even larger rise compared to savings)

money supply is always increasing. just the form and where it is can become the mystery to some

so ill reveal the secret..
less coins and banknotes but more being put in the savings accounts and money markets

money printing still occurs, people still use credit cards, people still take mortgages there is still more money being created and the supply still increases.. all you proved is less people want to mess around with paper bank note forms of money

I'm merely talking about M2 because it's what's being used as a key economic indicator to forecast inflation. I'm talking about it in terms of their rules, franky1, not yours.

Plus I'm also talking about a cycle of deflation based Year on Year on M2.

as for the windfuryism that he thinks there will be an event of a 60x (2015:$333-2017:$20k) in 2023..

There you are again, trying to disinform and gaslight people into believing your lies. Have I said of 60x event in 2023? IN 2023? Haha. Newbies only need to look at your trust rating to know.

I said in 2023 there will be a period of deflation, which means there will be low demand and maybe NEAR ZERO interest inflation rate. How will the cabal behind the Federal Reserve react? I believe they will over-adjust like what they have done in the past, and do massive QE, which will bring Bitcoin surging like it did during 2015 - 2017, OR probably 2011 - 2013?

[TOM B]

The Federal Reserve is now watching the markets closely, and the continuity of withdrawing liquidity for a long period will accelerate avoiding deflation. It is easy to pump liquidity, but it will make it difficult to reach “healthy” inflation during the current fiscal year.

I am afraid of what is happening in China. The last thing we are waiting to see now is the return of  COVID19 with a good mutation, which means more health restrictions.
And the war that is taking place in Ukraine and the lack of control over it.
The energy crisis and its problems, especially with the European economy.

So we have enough problems to fear deflation

The problem is that almost no one is optimistic about the economic development in 2023. Many people are looking at austerity. Such sentiment will affect many people. The collective consciousness is very bleak. The unemployment rate is too high. Is COVID19 really over? I don’t think so.

[Mauser]

I'm not an economist, but if deflation happens in 2023 that causes further recession, what would the Federal Reserve do? MAXIMUM ORDERS OF BRRR-MONEY PRINTING.

Prepare to experience a big surge for Bitcoin like it was 2015 - 2017

They can't print more money as this would increase inflation even further. The only real solution for the FED at the moment is to keep increasing interest rates and try to contain the inflation. Only once the inflation is brought down they can focus on economics growth again. A recession could happen in 2023 but doesn't seem so likely, because when all the prices are rising then so are wages and whole economic output is going to be inflated. Number will be higher but in real terms, the value is not going up. We will probably see a rise in Bitcoin prices again in 2023 but the rise is going to be moderate first in my opinion. People are still scared to invest large amounts of money. At least in my country most investors still hold large sums of cash in their portfolio, even though it's the worst type of asset to hold during high inflation periods. It will probably take until 2024 and the next halving to prices really rally again.

[RealMalatesta]

They can't print more money as this would increase inflation even further. The only real solution for the FED at the moment is to keep increasing interest rates and try to contain the inflation. Only once the inflation is brought down they can focus on economics growth again. A recession could happen in 2023 but doesn't seem so likely, because when all the prices are rising then so are wages and whole economic output is going to be inflated. Number will be higher but in real terms, the value is not going up. We will probably see a rise in Bitcoin prices again in 2023 but the rise is going to be moderate first in my opinion. People are still scared to invest large amounts of money. At least in my country most investors still hold large sums of cash in their portfolio, even though it's the worst type of asset to hold during high inflation periods. It will probably take until 2024 and the next halving to prices really rally again.

They won't, and not to just prevent inflation but they already did so much and that money is not in the market yet. I feel like the best thing about 2023 will be the fact hat everyone and everything is going back to normal.

People are not aware of this just yet, but believe me when I say this, from 2022 1st of January to 31st of December 2023, the best year will be 2023. No pandemic, no "new" wars, maybe even a resolved one hopefully, and no big economic crisis, everything just on the path to be better. That means we should be living a great year, not the best year ever, but the best year in a while, closer to 2019 at the very least, and that should be great.

[uneng]

I think the fed will be forced to raise interest rates on loans. Which could incentivize markets to seek alternative sources of credit and liquidity. In a best and worse case scenario, crypto based sources of credit and liquidity could gain higher demand due to them supplying credit and liquidity without the rising interest rates.

Raising rates could reduce competitive advantages of conventional bank loan markets. Opening the door for crypto to take prominence. Although recent history has shown markets and regulation trends have swung in directions which are far from linear.

They have been raising interest rates since last year, but the impact on crypto industry has been very negative. Theoretically you are right, and the demand for crypto lending services should have increased, as they don't add charge extra interest rates like traditional banks are doing, however, it didn't happen. Some could argue it is because crypto is too volatile, so in every cases bitcoin and altcoins aren't going to be benefited by an increasement on the demand for crypto loans. Probably only stablecoins will, although for bitcoin investors it's insignificant.

[Wind_FURY]

I'm not an economist, but if deflation happens in 2023 that causes further recession, what would the Federal Reserve do? MAXIMUM ORDERS OF BRRR-MONEY PRINTING.

Prepare to experience a big surge for Bitcoin like it was 2015 - 2017

They can't print more money as this would increase inflation even further. The only real solution for the FED at the moment is to keep increasing interest rates and try to contain the inflation. Only once the inflation is brought down they can focus on economics growth again. A recession could happen in 2023 but doesn't seem so likely, because when all the prices are rising then so are wages and whole economic output is going to be inflated. Number will be higher but in real terms, the value is not going up. We will probably see a rise in Bitcoin prices again in 2023 but the rise is going to be moderate first in my opinion. People are still scared to invest large amounts of money. At least in my country most investors still hold large sums of cash in their portfolio, even though it's the worst type of asset to hold during high inflation periods. It will probably take until 2024 and the next halving to prices really rally again.

Please get the context of the topic. I'm NOT saying the cabal will do it RIGHT NOW, I'm merely saying that they're response from their overadjustment WILL BE another overadjustment. franky1 is right, there has always been inflation, and in the current cycle, it may have already peaked. But if anyone believes that the inflation numbers we saw last year would be the highest, then it's laughable. We'll probably experience something worse in ten years.

Furthermore, CPI print is lower month on month, and the rate of inflation is also declining year on year. That might be the first signs that a cycle of deflation might be coming during 2023.

[Spisalen]

That's obviously a statement you don't hear many people say, but if we review the history of the cabal that decides if they should implement QE or QT, the cabal has the susceptibility to over-adjust in one side causing inflation, and probably deflation after over-tightening. When one act causes an outcome, they over-adjust to stop the outcome, which causes the opposite outcome.

I'm not an economist, but if deflation happens in 2023 that causes further recession, what would the Federal Reserve do? MAXIMUM ORDERS OF BRRR-MONEY PRINTING.

Prepare to experience a big surge for Bitcoin like it was 2015 - 2017

A possible deflation can create negative scenarios for Bitcoin as well, because Bitcoin is also in a subset of the economy concept. The idea of thinking of Bitcoin as an asset independent of all external factors seems a bit of a misconception to me. If it is snowing outside, the house does not get warm easily.

[Gyfts]

Doesn't seem likely for inflation to stop in in 2023 for two reason: The central banks has essentially accepted that a recession will happen therefore they haven't tried to ease interest rates to achieve a slow landing. They aggressively hiked interest rates and accept the potential recession as a result. Second -- the state of money printing nearly every country participated in back in 2020 saw the creation of more money than the world has ever seen. This does not solve itself within just a few years.

[jostorres]

Please get the context of the topic. I'm NOT saying the cabal will do it RIGHT NOW, I'm merely saying that they're response from their overadjustment WILL BE another overadjustment. franky1 is right, there has always been inflation, and in the current cycle, it may have already peaked. But if anyone believes that the inflation numbers we saw last year would be the highest, then it's laughable. We'll probably experience something worse in ten years.

Furthermore, CPI print is lower month on month, and the rate of inflation is also declining year on year. That might be the first signs that a cycle of deflation might be coming during 2023.

I do not agree with this, they did not overadjusted the situation, they adjusted just right and it will go back to regular life like we had in 2019. Was it economically awesome? Were we all super wealthy and lived an amazing life?

Of course not, economy was always bad for people like me, I still failed to buy many things, but it wasn't as bad as the last 2 years, and it will get better eventually which I am sure that it will cause a lot of trouble for many people, but then it will get better in the long term as well when the time comes and right now it's that better time. We are going back to 2019 if you ask me, not a great life, but a better one.

[Casdinyard]

Prepare to experience a big surge for Bitcoin like it was 2015 - 2017

We passed on a bear market for an entire year and the cycle that we believe happens is going to set a bull run. That's what we're set to believe and if the same run just as those years, it's going to be a big bull run again.

But as years have seen that there could be a change which is about to come and just as you've said, the bull run might come earlier than expected.

Anyway, if it goes like that then I'm thankful but if not then that's just fine.

Not so fast my friend. The halving which is a guaranteed bull for bitcoin wouldn't happen until sometime next year. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a bull run as soon as possible as much as the next guy but insinuating one would happen now, especially with multiple scandals coming in and out of the industry is a little too ambitious if not nigh impossible. The bear market is pretty much far from over and i don't want to be the bearer of bad news but may stick around for a little while, unless something happens sometime around June. Then again bitcoin never failed to surprise me so something may just come around. If so I'd come back to this post and congratulate you.

[Wind_FURY]

Please get the context of the topic. I'm NOT saying the cabal will do it RIGHT NOW, I'm merely saying that they're response from their overadjustment WILL BE another overadjustment. franky1 is right, there has always been inflation, and in the current cycle, it may have already peaked. But if anyone believes that the inflation numbers we saw last year would be the highest, then it's laughable. We'll probably experience something worse in ten years.

Furthermore, CPI print is lower month on month, and the rate of inflation is also declining year on year. That might be the first signs that a cycle of deflation might be coming during 2023.

I do not agree with this, they did not overadjusted the situation, they adjusted just right and it will go back to regular life like we had in 2019. Was it economically awesome? Were we all super wealthy and lived an amazing life?

How would we plebs know? We wouldn't until recession comes and demand goes down, and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But wait until the end of 2023.

Of course not, economy was always bad for people like me, I still failed to buy many things, but it wasn't as bad as the last 2 years, and it will get better eventually which I am sure that it will cause a lot of trouble for many people, but then it will get better in the long term as well when the time comes and right now it's that better time. We are going back to 2019 if you ask me, not a great life, but a better one.

I don't know what you mean when you post about "2019", BUT we have seen a massive overadjustment by Central Banks during 2020 when the COVID-19 Pandemic/Lockdowns happened all around the world. The Central Banks pumped so much money into the system which caused high inflation. They said it was transitory, but we knew it wasn't.

[jostorres]

How would we plebs know? We wouldn't until recession comes and demand goes down, and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But wait until the end of 2023.

I "know" (and yeah I don't, I agree we have to wait) in the sense that overadjustment would have shown itself already, that's not something that gradually happens, if it's gradually going down, then we could stop that too and make it stay right where it suppose to. Did inflation go up slowly? No, when it happened it was suddenly a ton of issues right as soon as they printed it, and that means deflation would be similar as well in that sense.

I don't know what you mean when you post about "2019", BUT we have seen a massive overadjustment by Central Banks during 2020 when the COVID-19 Pandemic/Lockdowns happened all around the world. The Central Banks pumped so much money into the system which caused high inflation. They said it was transitory, but we knew it wasn't.

The idea about 2019 was that, 2023 will be similar to 2019 in the economical sense, do you agree that 2020 and 2021 and 2022 was a bad year? Do you agree that 2019 was better than all those years and yet not so great like we were buying houses like we bought candy? Well, that's where we will go back to. Better than 2020-2022 period but not too great.

[savetheFORUM]

Prepare to experience a big surge for Bitcoin like it was 2015 - 2017

We passed on a bear market for an entire year and the cycle that we believe happens is going to set a bull run. That's what we're set to believe and if the same run just as those years, it's going to be a big bull run again.

But as years have seen that there could be a change which is about to come and just as you've said, the bull run might come earlier than expected.

Anyway, if it goes like that then I'm thankful but if not then that's just fine.

Not so fast my friend. The halving which is a guaranteed bull for bitcoin wouldn't happen until sometime next year. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a bull run as soon as possible as much as the next guy but insinuating one would happen now, especially with multiple scandals coming in and out of the industry is a little too ambitious if not nigh impossible. The bear market is pretty much far from over and i don't want to be the bearer of bad news but may stick around for a little while, unless something happens sometime around June. Then again bitcoin never failed to surprise me so something may just come around. If so I'd come back to this post and congratulate you.

I think the bull run can come at any time and doesn't only limited to the halving event. Halving sure have some positive effects to Bitcoin (it reduces its supply, making it more scarce) but I don't think it can guarantee a bull run. It's just people are only too optimistic about it leading for them to buy more and Hodl which can be the main cause of the pump.

I haven't seen any negative news lately but just positive news like the one did there by El Salvador in the Miss Universe event. Now the world sees Bitcoin more, they will now be confident about it. Who knows, what if this can trigger an early bull run? Some people are just itchy as we know last year was full of stress and losses.

[Johnyz]

Doesn't seem likely for inflation to stop in in 2023 for two reason: The central banks has essentially accepted that a recession will happen therefore they haven't tried to ease interest rates to achieve a slow landing. They aggressively hiked interest rates and accept the potential recession as a result. Second -- the state of money printing nearly every country participated in back in 2020 saw the creation of more money than the world has ever seen. This does not solve itself within just a few years.

Recession is cyclical, and many government anticipate this already and yeah their solution is to increase the interest rates so people will not borrow that much and spend that much. Probably, the economy of many countries are already on a recovery phase as well and avoided a huge impact of a possible recession. With Bitcoin, this might be the safe have and probably we might see some good volume. The pump with Bitcoin recently is a good start, we might see more of this in the first quarter.

[Wind_FURY]

How would we plebs know? We wouldn't until recession comes and demand goes down, and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But wait until the end of 2023.

I "know" (and yeah I don't, I agree we have to wait) in the sense that overadjustment would have shown itself already, that's not something that gradually happens, if it's gradually going down, then we could stop that too and make it stay right where it suppose to. Did inflation go up slowly? No, when it happened it was suddenly a ton of issues right as soon as they printed it, and that means deflation would be similar as well in that sense.

Do you disagree to the fact that inflation is a, and has always been, a "monetary phenomenon"? I'm truly confused what your viewpoint is, if you can post it with a clearer context, then maybe I could deliver my own viewpoint.

Plus I'm merely talking in a historical sense. The cabal behind the Federal Reserve/other central banks have been incompetent, their policies have been causing the economic boom, bust cycles.

I don't know what you mean when you post about "2019", BUT we have seen a massive overadjustment by Central Banks during 2020 when the COVID-19 Pandemic/Lockdowns happened all around the world. The Central Banks pumped so much money into the system which caused high inflation. They said it was transitory, but we knew it wasn't.

The idea about 2019 was that, 2023 will be similar to 2019 in the economical sense, do you agree that 2020 and 2021 and 2022 was a bad year?

What is the "economical sense"? I don't understand.

Do you agree that 2019 was better than all those years and yet not so great like we were buying houses like we bought candy? Well, that's where we will go back to. Better than 2020-2022 period but not too great.

For your information QE started probably during 2008 which gave the system so much liquidity that credit was easy to make people buy houses "like candy", with some minor QT in between, until during the fourth quarter of 2021 when the Federal Reserve announced that they would do massive QT because inflation wasn't actually transitory.

It wasn't because people were rich that made them buy house like candy, it was because it was easy to get a mortgage because liquidity was high. Ask those people who bought houses, "like candy", how they're mortgages are today.

[franky1]

as for the windfuryism that he thinks there will be an event of a 60x (2015:$333-2017:$20k) in 2023..

There you are again, trying to disinform and gaslight people into believing your lies. Have I said of 60x event in 2023? IN 2023? Haha. Newbies only need to look at your trust rating to know.

I said in 2023 there will be a period of deflation, which means there will be low demand and maybe NEAR ZERO interest inflation rate. How will the cabal behind the Federal Reserve react? I believe they will over-adjust like what they have done in the past, and do massive QE, which will bring Bitcoin surging like it did during 2015 - 2017, OR probably 2011 - 2013?

oh you love to cry and shout gaslight even without you even using the buzzword in correct context, especially when its you that is failing to remember your own words or even do the maths of the stuff you try to imply. or even basic research on your implications..
how abut cry less. buzzword less and spend the time doing some research, calculations, and work things out for yourself

anyways
you said

Prepare to experience a big surge for Bitcoin like it was 2015 - 2017

so i done the math on which you implied your expected "big surge" to be
so i said what that "big surge" was(by doing the research and math for you):
(333->20k) because thats what you said to expect this year to be like('like it was 2015-2017')
its called maths & research.
a surge from 333->20k in 2015-2017= 60x
so yes you said expect a big surge like 2015-17
so yes you implied a surge like the 60x surge of your specified date


and now you are trying to suggest that there would be a 2011-13 style surge
(facepalm)
a $0.30 -> $1200 = 4000x
or $30 -> $1200 = 40x
a $3 -> $1200 = 400x
(depending on what part of 2011 you want to include)

seriously you are trying to play the fool but then double down and double down and double down on your absent mindedness to go even further into fantasy land then pretend you never said what you said because you didnt include the simple maths you imply, even though you still made the implication.

now a lesson for you, yet again
what you are not realising is that the "surges" per cycle get less and less volatile.. not more

end of story

[slapper]

That's obviously a statement you don't hear many people say, but if we review the history of the cabal that decides if they should implement QE or QT, the cabal has the susceptibility to over-adjust in one side causing inflation, and probably deflation after over-tightening. When one act causes an outcome, they over-adjust to stop the outcome, which causes the opposite outcome.

I'm not an economist, but if deflation happens in 2023 that causes further recession, what would the Federal Reserve do? MAXIMUM ORDERS OF BRRR-MONEY PRINTING.

Prepare to experience a big surge for Bitcoin like it was 2015 - 2017

It's tricky. I'm not an economist either, but the Fed's decisions can affect the economy. If deflation occurs and conditions worsen, they may print more money. However, when money loses value, people will seek alternatives. Crypto helps. Bitcoin, in particular, thrives during recessions. It protects money.

If deflation occurs and the Fed prints more money, Bitcoin's value may rise significantly. Though unlikely, it's worth considering. If it happens, investors and wealth protectors may benefit. The Fed and government don't influence Bitcoin's price. It's decentralised, so nobody can print more. That's its strength. It's inflation-proof. As more people see Bitcoin's benefits, I think it'll become as strong as the present monetary system, if not greater

[Wind_FURY]

as for the windfuryism that he thinks there will be an event of a 60x (2015:$333-2017:$20k) in 2023..

There you are again, trying to disinform and gaslight people into believing your lies. Have I said of 60x event in 2023? IN 2023? Haha. Newbies only need to look at your trust rating to know.

I said in 2023 there will be a period of deflation, which means there will be low demand and maybe NEAR ZERO interest inflation rate. How will the cabal behind the Federal Reserve react? I believe they will over-adjust like what they have done in the past, and do massive QE, which will bring Bitcoin surging like it did during 2015 - 2017, OR probably 2011 - 2013?

oh you love to cry and shout gaslight even without you even using the buzzword in correct context, especially when its you that is failing to remember your own words or even do the maths of the stuff you try to imply. or even basic research on your implications..
how abut cry less. buzzword less and spend the time doing some research, calculations, and work things out for yourself

anyways
you said

 

There's nothing that you can say or tell me that would remove that negative trust-rating in your profile. You brought this to yourself because you truly gaslighting people, and spread disinformation, then when it doesn't work, you start name-calling and tell lies about the person and put words in their mouths. That's franky 101. Haha.

Prepare to experience a big surge for Bitcoin like it was 2015 - 2017

so i done the math on which you implied your expected "big surge" to be
so i said what that "big surge" was(by doing the research and math for you):
(333->20k) because thats what you said to expect this year to be like('like it was 2015-2017')
its called maths & research.
a surge from 333->20k in 2015-2017= 60x
so yes you said expect a big surge like 2015-17
so yes you implied a surge like the 60x surge of your specified date


and now you are trying to suggest that there would be a 2011-13 style surge
(facepalm)
a $0.30 -> $1200 = 4000x
or $30 -> $1200 = 40x
a $3 -> $1200 = 400x
(depending on what part of 2011 you want to include)

seriously you are trying to play the fool but then double down and double down and double down on your absent mindedness to go even further into fantasy land then pretend you never said what you said because you didnt include the simple maths you imply, even though you still made the implication.

 

franky 101.

now a lesson for you, yet again
what you are not realising is that the "surges" per cycle get less and less volatile.. not more

end of story

What you are not realising is that after the tightening and a cycle of deflation, GIGANTIC QE and expansion will be coming, another overadjustment, making everything surge like it was 2015 - 2017, or maybe 2011 - 2013?

Back on topic, https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/auto-market-weekly-summary-january-13/

That's probably showing that deflation is starting, no?