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[FatFork]

About lack of that information in Russian version of the T&C, we kindly ask you to refer to this page - https://vave.com/ru/help/sportsbook-rules 2.18: “B cлyчae pacxoждeния мeждy вepcиeй нacтoящиx пpaвил нa aнглийcкoм языкe и любoй дpyгoй языкoвoй вepcиeй, пpeимyщecтвeннyю cилy бyдeт имeть вepcия нa aнглийcкoм языкe.”
English: “In the event of there being a discrepancy between the English language version of these rules and any other language version, the English language version will prevail.”

Thereby we highly advise to check all the rules in English version instead, as it always gets to be updated first.

In that clause, you specifically stated "these rules," indicating that it applies solely to the "Sportsbook rules" and doesn't touch upon the general Terms of Use, which aren't even mentioned in a single word. Expressio unius est exclusio alterius.

The "Sportsbook rules" don't include any regulation that limits a player from Russia in either the English or Russian version.

Should I remind you that when regulations or terms of service are vague and confusing, the legal principle of "contra proferentem" often comes into play?

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[shanz]

About lack of that information in Russian version of the T&C, we kindly ask you to refer to this page - https://vave.com/ru/help/sportsbook-rules 2.18: “B cлyчae pacxoждeния мeждy вepcиeй нacтoящиx пpaвил нa aнглийcкoм языкe и любoй дpyгoй языкoвoй вepcиeй, пpeимyщecтвeннyю cилy бyдeт имeть вepcия нa aнглийcкoм языкe.”
English: “In the event of there being a discrepancy between the English language version of these rules and any other language version, the English language version will prevail.”

Thereby we highly advise to check all the rules in English version instead, as it always gets to be updated first.

In that clause, you specifically stated "these rules," indicating that it applies solely to the "Sportsbook rules" and doesn't touch upon the general Terms of Use, which aren't even mentioned in a single word. Expressio unius est exclusio alterius.

The "Sportsbook rules" don't include any regulation that limits a player from Russia in either the English or Russian version.

Should I remind you that when regulations or terms of service are vague and confusing, the legal principle of "contra proferentem" often comes into play?

Hi,
Please note that any kind of sports betting or live betting for players from Russia is strictly prohibited and it's a requirement of our licensee. Also, we reserve the right to confiscate funds and block an account if it is proven that sports betting was made by a Russian citizen.
https://vave.com/information/terms-and-conditions
Thank you.

⚽ August's Games | Judd Trump's Event ⚽


🔥 Welcome to the 10th day of August's Games. We have only 1 day more of game. Today, you will be able to predict the result of five matches:

🇵🇹 Liga Portuguesa
Estrela Amadora x Estoril Praia
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008129-liga-portugal/914730-estrela-amadora-estoril-praia

🇫🇴 Premier League
Chelsea FC x Luton Town
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🇪🇸 La Liga
UD Las Palmas x Real Sociedad San Sebastian
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008007-laliga/828374-ud-las-palmas-real-sociedad-san-sebastian

🇫🇷 Ligue 1
FC Nantes x AS Monaco
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008026-ligue-1/883335-fc-nantes-as-monaco

🇩🇪 Bundesliga
RB Leipzig x VfB Stuttgart
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008027-bundesliga/845512-rb-leipzig-vfb-stuttgart

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[mck3nzie]

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[decodx]

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Thereby we highly advise to check all the rules in English version instead, as it always gets to be updated first.

I think the real question is when you implemented that restriction in your Terms of Service? Also, why isn't Russia mentioned alongside the other restricted countries, given that it's a requirement of your licensee? It appears that you introduced the rule after the fact, and I don't think you have the right to confiscate the player's funds without notifying them in advance.
When exactly were the terms put into effect, and did you send out an email notification about the changes to your Terms of Use?

[h4nnmann11]

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Thereby we highly advise to check all the rules in English version instead, as it always gets to be updated first.

I think the real question is when you implemented that restriction in your Terms of Service? Also, why isn't Russia mentioned alongside the other restricted countries, given that it's a requirement of your licensee? It appears that you introduced the rule after the fact, and I don't think you have the right to confiscate the player's funds without notifying them in advance.
When exactly were the terms put into effect, and did you send out an email notification about the changes to your Terms of Use?

there was no email notification of the rule change.

[h4nnmann11]

About lack of that information in Russian version of the T&C, we kindly ask you to refer to this page - https://vave.com/ru/help/sportsbook-rules 2.18: “B cлyчae pacxoждeния мeждy вepcиeй нacтoящиx пpaвил нa aнглийcкoм языкe и любoй дpyгoй языкoвoй вepcиeй, пpeимyщecтвeннyю cилy бyдeт имeть вepcия нa aнглийcкoм языкe.”
English: “In the event of there being a discrepancy between the English language version of these rules and any other language version, the English language version will prevail.”

Thereby we highly advise to check all the rules in English version instead, as it always gets to be updated first.

In that clause, you specifically stated "these rules," indicating that it applies solely to the "Sportsbook rules" and doesn't touch upon the general Terms of Use, which aren't even mentioned in a single word. Expressio unius est exclusio alterius.

The "Sportsbook rules" don't include any regulation that limits a player from Russia in either the English or Russian version.

Should I remind you that when regulations or terms of service are vague and confusing, the legal principle of "contra proferentem" often comes into play?

Hi,
Please note that any kind of sports betting or live betting for players from Russia is strictly prohibited and it's a requirement of our licensee. Also, we reserve the right to confiscate funds and block an account if it is proven that sports betting was made by a Russian citizen.
https://vave.com/information/terms-and-conditions
Thank you.

⚽ August's Games | Judd Trump's Event ⚽


 Welcome to the 10th day of August's Games. We have only 1 day more of game. Today, you will be able to predict the result of five matches:

Liga Portuguesa
Estrela Amadora x Estoril Praia
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008129-liga-portugal/914730-estrela-amadora-estoril-praia

Premier League
Chelsea FC x Luton Town
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008013-premier-league/934007-chelsea-fc-luton-town

La Liga
UD Las Palmas x Real Sociedad San Sebastian
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008007-laliga/828374-ud-las-palmas-real-sociedad-san-sebastian

Ligue 1
FC Nantes x AS Monaco
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008026-ligue-1/883335-fc-nantes-as-monaco

Bundesliga
RB Leipzig x VfB Stuttgart
https://vave.com/prematch/football/1008027-bundesliga/845512-rb-leipzig-vfb-stuttgart

➡️ If you want to join our community event, just reply in our Discord channel who will win these matches, or indicate draws.

⚠️ Be aware that your answer will be declassified if you attempt to edit it.

⚡️ While registering, you can use our official promo code VAVEREWARD to get an extra bonus.

For more details, join our official Vave Discord:
https://discord.gg/Z3J6KZPXcA

Good Luck.

no one answered me about when the rule was introduced at the expense of Russian players. Because on the forum they wrote to me that they did KYC on vave.com a week or 2 weeks ago and everything was fine and they took their money from you.

I created an account on August 1st and at that time there was no item about Russian players.

[h4nnmann11]

if you are wondering if it's worth playing on vave.com, read it

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464326.new#new

[shanz]

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[h4nnmann11]

if you are wondering if it's worth playing on vave.com, read it

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464326.new#new

I hope this will convince you to play on vave.com

[shanz]

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[BenCodie]

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This user has been scammed by vave.com and has a solid case against the casino.

It is recommended that you do not bet at vave.com until this matter is solved.

Especially if you are from Russia or companies where nationalism will effect your experience.

This is a warning against Vave.com. If you choose to ignore this warning, you will be taking on more risk than just the risk that comes with gambling.

Read this thread to learn more. The community agrees that the OP has a strong case against Vave.com The matter is still unresolved as of this post.

[decodx]

I just posted this in the other thread so I'm sharing here as well.

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It's probably a good idea to steer clear of any casino site connected to this company because of their shady practices. Hope this info helps!

[shanz]

This user has been scammed by vave.com and has a solid case against the casino.

It is recommended that you do not bet at vave.com until this matter is solved.

Especially if you are from Russia or companies where nationalism will effect your experience.

We have already provided a detailed response to the concerned person, explaining that participation is restricted for players from Russia: https://vave.com/information/terms-and-conditions
Unfortunately, it appears that the player did not read our casino policy. It is quite common for players, when they are dissatisfied with the response of a gambling platform (without exception), to resort to using strong words such as 'scammers' or 'racists' in an attempt to exert pressure on the platform.
We firmly believe in transparency and adhering to our rules. If you would like to learn more about Vave casino, we invite you to join our Discord and Telegram communities, where you can interact directly with players and see how much we care about their satisfaction.
Last thing, you accused our platform without even checking the previous answers, which means your forum participation is not based on facts. Furthermore, after conducting a brief investigation into the platform you are promoting, we discovered that it appears to be a suspicious platform according to Scamadviser: https://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/moneypot.com#google_vignette
Therefore, it seems you are encouraging people to use a suspicious platform while taking advantage of your high-ranking membership @BenCodie, which raises questions about your credibility.

[shanz]

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[BenCodie]

This user has been scammed by vave.com and has a solid case against the casino.

It is recommended that you do not bet at vave.com until this matter is solved.

Especially if you are from Russia or companies where nationalism will effect your experience.

We have already provided a detailed response to the concerned person, explaining that participation is restricted for players from Russia: https://vave.com/information/terms-and-conditions
Unfortunately, it appears that the player did not read our casino policy. It is quite common for players, when they are dissatisfied with the response of a gambling platform (without exception), to resort to using strong words such as 'scammers' or 'racists' in an attempt to exert pressure on the platform.
We firmly believe in transparency and adhering to our rules. If you would like to learn more about Vave casino, we invite you to join our Discord and Telegram communities, where you can interact directly with players and see how much we care about their satisfaction.
Last thing, you accused our platform without even checking the previous answers, which means your forum participation is not based on facts. Furthermore, after conducting a brief investigation into the platform you are promoting, we discovered that it appears to be a suspicious platform according to Scamadviser: https://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/moneypot.com#google_vignette
Therefore, it seems you are encouraging people to use a suspicious platform while taking advantage of your high-ranking membership @BenCodie, which raises questions about your credibility.

Your TOS does not excuse you and your platform from misconduct Shanz. No, I do not want to learn more about your casino. That valid case is not the only one against Vave.

Vave was happy to let that user bet and go into negative, as soon as he went into positive, only then is when Vave wanted to enforce the TOS.

My forum participation is not based on facts? Tell me more Sir Shanz, master of bitcointalk ethics and principal of forum participation ... Please, tell me more. Your credibility = well below the median. You rip users off with your TOS (like most other casinos here). I don't think you're in a position to comment on my credibility Sir Shanz.

Don't try and shift the topic of your unethical operation to my credibility, or about who is leasing my signature space, that's weak and pathetic. I wouldn't expect less from a casino owner/manager though To address it however - I trust Royse777, that the campaign whom he is managing is up standard when it comes to player treatment. If he is still promoting it, it must still be at least above par in terms of player treatment. Vave on the other hand? I don't think so.

[h4nnmann11]

This user has been scammed by vave.com and has a solid case against the casino.

It is recommended that you do not bet at vave.com until this matter is solved.

Especially if you are from Russia or companies where nationalism will effect your experience.

We have already provided a detailed response to the concerned person, explaining that participation is restricted for players from Russia: https://vave.com/information/terms-and-conditions
Unfortunately, it appears that the player did not read our casino policy. It is quite common for players, when they are dissatisfied with the response of a gambling platform (without exception), to resort to using strong words such as 'scammers' or 'racists' in an attempt to exert pressure on the platform.
We firmly believe in transparency and adhering to our rules. If you would like to learn more about Vave casino, we invite you to join our Discord and Telegram communities, where you can interact directly with players and see how much we care about their satisfaction.
Last thing, you accused our platform without even checking the previous answers, which means your forum participation is not based on facts. Furthermore, after conducting a brief investigation into the platform you are promoting, we discovered that it appears to be a suspicious platform according to Scamadviser: https://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/moneypot.com#google_vignette
Therefore, it seems you are encouraging people to use a suspicious platform while taking advantage of your high-ranking membership @BenCodie, which raises questions about your credibility.

you haven't answered my questions in any way. Date of introduction of the rule regarding Russian players. Why didn’t you return all my remaining deposits of $17,000, but only returned my last deposit of $3,000 out of these $17,000.

[shanz]

Your TOS does not excuse you and your platform from misconduct Shanz. No, I do not want to learn more about your casino. That valid case is not the only one against Vave.

We don't have any unresolved cases. All issues are handled by our customer support.
We can see that the player might be upset. However, we can't treat this case differently since we treat all players' cases equally.

[shanz]

you haven't answered my questions in any way. Date of introduction of the rule regarding Russian players. Why didn’t you return all my remaining deposits of $17,000, but only returned my last deposit of $3,000 out of these $17,000.

We have reached out to you, even after the rules violation, and returned the amount of your last deposit. Any funds exceeding that sum were voided. Also, we strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with the rules regularly to avoid any misunderstandings or situations like this.

[FatFork]

We have reached out to you, even after the rules violation, and returned the amount of your last deposit. Any funds exceeding that sum were voided. Also, we strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with the rules regularly to avoid any misunderstandings or situations like this.

In the spirit of transparency that you claim to uphold within the community, I suggest you shed some more light on this case. Changing your terms of use after a player has deposited funds and gambled is a concerning practice and the circumstances surrounding this case demand a clear and thorough response. Please provide clarification on this matter.

To start, could you please provide a detailed timeline of events related to this particular case? This would help us better understand the sequence of actions and decisions made.

Furthermore, when exactly did you include the provision restricting Russian residents in your Terms of Service? And why does this provision appear only in the English version of the Terms of Use, rather than being consistent across all languages? Could you clarify this discrepancy?

Moreover, did you make an effort to inform all your players about these revised conditions when they were implemented? If so, how did you communicate these alterations to your user base?

One particularly concerning aspect is whether you continued to accept bets from players, including Russian residents, after introducing the new terms. If so, why did you not enforce the updated conditions consistently for all players?

Lastly, why was the decision made to cancel only the winning bets for the player, rather than all of them, and return their entire deposit? This raises questions about the fairness and consistency of your actions. Could you explain the reasoning behind this selective action?

[h4nnmann11]

you haven't answered my questions in any way. Date of introduction of the rule regarding Russian players. Why didn’t you return all my remaining deposits of $17,000, but only returned my last deposit of $3,000 out of these $17,000.

We have reached out to you, even after the rules violation, and returned the amount of your last deposit. Any funds exceeding that sum were voided. Also, we strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with the rules regularly to avoid any misunderstandings or situations like this.

even the fraudulent 1xbet returns all deposits if some kind of account blocking or betting cancellation occurs. And you are still not going to return my deposits. Do you really care about your reputation?