Argentina to Pressure Citizens on Declaring Their Crypto

[pakhitheboss]

The report reveals that amidst economic turmoil, 60% of Argentine crypto purchases on Bitso were allocated to dollar-based stablecoins such as USDT and USDC, with just 13% of purchases dedicated to Bitcoin. This contrasts with Colombia, Brazil, and Mexico, where stablecoin purchases ranged between 31% and 40% of total crypto acquisitions.

Notably, these stablecoins emerged as some of the “fastest-growing” cryptocurrencies in the area. Bitso’s analysis reveals that approximately 26% of the average portfolio of users in Argentina comprises stablecoins, driven primarily by the country’s economic environment. Bitso attributes the significant demand for stablecoins in Argentina to the prevailing political and economic context, where citizens seek alternatives to combat inflation and currency devaluation."

Ultimately, these guys are going into a domain where stable coin takes the upper edge over Bitcoin. That said, the country's economy is so bad that they need stablecoins to counter hyperinflation. What makes me question their investment is when they know stablecoins are pegged to USD, which of course is on the verge of getting devalued as it is USD basically why did these guys not consider Bitcoin as a concrete option.

Is this because they fear their wealth growing down or is this because they cannot afford to invest in Bitcoin? Normally everyone wants to buy 1BTC rather than holding on to satoshi. The perception is that Bitcoin is not accessible like it used to be before 2017 because of its market value whereas a stablecoin is still accessible like 1 USDT = 1 USD.

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[PrivacyG]

Voluntary.  You will only be terrorized through fear if you do not volunteer.  Sounds just about right.

This pressure is reaching a global scale.  Before it was only a few countries.  Now it is almost everywhere.  Does any body else think this hints to a next step?  I am waiting for the day they all slowly start punishing for not declaring.  They are inducing fear now, it will be a punishment next.

[goldkingcoiner]

https://www.bitdegree.org/crypto/news/argentina-to-pressure-citizens-on-declaring-their-crypto
"As per the terms of the bill, citizens will be encouraged to declare their assets, financial assets like stocks and crypto assets. Declarations will be entirely voluntary. However, the bill also suggests that in case of a failure to declare assets and tokens may result in an investigation by the Federal Administration of Public Revenues (AFIP), the nation’s tax body.

In the case of crypto assets, citizens will be asked to submit an affidavit which is a voluntary statement that can be used as evidence as it is made under oath by the law.

Citizens who declare their assets and tokens on the voluntary forms would be subject to tax at a rate of 2.5% unless they aren’t high earners. According to the bill, individuals who have under $50,000 worth of assets will be charged at a lower initial rate of 1.5%. "

If I lived in Argentina, I would keep my crypto assets secret. Especially now, with president Milei ruining the economy.

People who live in dictatorships and bad countries need to keep their cryptocurrency assets as secret as possible and obviously not tell their government. Telling the government how much money/profits you have in crypto (even though you can make it impossible for them to find out as long as you do not voluntarily give them that information) is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

You might as well tell them your seed phrase, that way they can skip the step where they extort it out of you.

But I guess some people are too scared for that.

I mean, if you agree with what your government is doing and you wish to pay taxes in order to improve your country, go ahead. But if you live in a dictatorship that is ruining your economy and your country with corruption, is it not best to keep your real money (Bitcoin) a secret?

[zasad@]

https://www.bitdegree.org/crypto/news/argentina-to-pressure-citizens-on-declaring-their-crypto
"As per the terms of the bill, citizens will be encouraged to declare their assets, financial assets like stocks and crypto assets. Declarations will be entirely voluntary. However, the bill also suggests that in case of a failure to declare assets and tokens may result in an investigation by the Federal Administration of Public Revenues (AFIP), the nation’s tax body.

In the case of crypto assets, citizens will be asked to submit an affidavit which is a voluntary statement that can be used as evidence as it is made under oath by the law.

Citizens who declare their assets and tokens on the voluntary forms would be subject to tax at a rate of 2.5% unless they aren’t high earners. According to the bill, individuals who have under $50,000 worth of assets will be charged at a lower initial rate of 1.5%. "

If I lived in Argentina, I would keep my crypto assets secret. Especially now, with president Milei ruining the economy.

People who live in dictatorships and bad countries need to keep their cryptocurrency assets as secret as possible and obviously not tell their government. Telling the government how much money/profits you have in crypto (even though you can make it impossible for them to find out as long as you do not voluntarily give them that information) is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

You might as well tell them your seed phrase, that way they can skip the step where they extort it out of you.

But I guess some people are too scared for that.

I mean, if you agree with what your government is doing and you wish to pay taxes in order to improve your country, go ahead. But if you live in a dictatorship that is ruining your economy and your country with corruption, is it not best to keep your real money (Bitcoin) a secret?

I would not declare my cryptocurrencies in any country in the world. If I am a tourist or have decided to stay in this country for several years, then this makes no sense, but if, for example, I want to live in the country, then I can open a legal company and legalize cryptocurrencies by paying taxes.

[suzanne5223]

What we're seeing here is a political game that welcomes the adoption of crypto but puts all the citizens under government control.
I don't know who is adviser of Javier Milei and what makes him believe this will be a good idea for the country but from what I read about the crypto bill he ^{(Javier Milei)} introduced to the Argentine, Javier is planned to encourage them to invest in the Bitcoin spot ETF rather than be a self-custodial crypto holder/investor.

[zasad@]

What we're seeing here is a political game that welcomes the adoption of crypto but puts all the citizens under government control.
I don't know who is adviser of Javier Milei and what makes him believe this will be a good idea for the country but from what I read about the crypto bill he ^{(Javier Milei)} introduced to the Argentine, Javier is planned to encourage them to invest in the Bitcoin spot ETF rather than be a self-custodial crypto holder/investor.

What everyone calls implementation or mass adoption is actually called centralization of cryptocurrency.
Governments will always control the finances of their citizens. If a person is stupid and uses centralized services, then he will not own his coins and will eventually lose his money. Cash in many countries will be reduced to a minimum in 5-10 years.

[dansus021]

Just want to bump this thread it is simply because I heard that Argentina had a new president and the Argentina Peso seems hit hard after the election, but when the country hit by high inflation or economic problem there will be a cryptocurrency in it.

I hear the news that Russia and Argentina use a cryptocurrency on a "illegal" market p2p to exchange their currency to other fiat but to be honest this is the best option since Crypto is borderless and can be used by everyone.

[suzanne5223]

What we're seeing here is a political game that welcomes the adoption of crypto but puts all the citizens under government control.
I don't know who is adviser of Javier Milei and what makes him believe this will be a good idea for the country but from what I read about the crypto bill he ^{(Javier Milei)} introduced to the Argentine, Javier is planned to encourage them to invest in the Bitcoin spot ETF rather than be a self-custodial crypto holder/investor.

What everyone calls implementation or mass adoption is actually called centralization of cryptocurrency.
Governments will always control the finances of their citizens. If a person is stupid and uses centralized services, then he will not own his coins and will eventually lose his money. Cash in many countries will be reduced to a minimum in 5-10 years.

I know the mass adoption of cryptocurrency will attract centralization but not in the way the Argentine government is planning which sooner or later would put the lives of some cryptocurrency investors in Argentina in danger of burglary and other forms of attack.
Having said that, you said cash in many countries will reduced in 5-10 years. How is that going to happen when the government never seizes from printing new fiat currency every year?

[zasad@]

What we're seeing here is a political game that welcomes the adoption of crypto but puts all the citizens under government control.
I don't know who is adviser of Javier Milei and what makes him believe this will be a good idea for the country but from what I read about the crypto bill he ^{(Javier Milei)} introduced to the Argentine, Javier is planned to encourage them to invest in the Bitcoin spot ETF rather than be a self-custodial crypto holder/investor.

What everyone calls implementation or mass adoption is actually called centralization of cryptocurrency.
Governments will always control the finances of their citizens. If a person is stupid and uses centralized services, then he will not own his coins and will eventually lose his money. Cash in many countries will be reduced to a minimum in 5-10 years.

I know the mass adoption of cryptocurrency will attract centralization but not in the way the Argentine government is planning which sooner or later would put the lives of some cryptocurrency investors in Argentina in danger of burglary and other forms of attack.
Having said that, you said cash in many countries will reduced in 5-10 years. How is that going to happen when the government never seizes from printing new fiat currency every year?

I’m not saying that all cash will be destroyed, but there will be big restrictions.
There are places in Europe where you cannot pay in cash.
Cash transaction amounts are constantly decreasing in different countries, and therefore it will be difficult to buy expensive things with cash.
State support will be paid to citizens using the CBDC.
The US may be carrying out a major reform to replace dollars, and if you have more than $10,000-$50,000 in cash, you will have to prove its legal origin.

[electronicash]

What we're seeing here is a political game that welcomes the adoption of crypto but puts all the citizens under government control.
I don't know who is adviser of Javier Milei and what makes him believe this will be a good idea for the country but from what I read about the crypto bill he ^{(Javier Milei)} introduced to the Argentine, Javier is planned to encourage them to invest in the Bitcoin spot ETF rather than be a self-custodial crypto holder/investor.

What everyone calls implementation or mass adoption is actually called centralization of cryptocurrency.
Governments will always control the finances of their citizens. If a person is stupid and uses centralized services, then he will not own his coins and will eventually lose his money. Cash in many countries will be reduced to a minimum in 5-10 years.

I know the mass adoption of cryptocurrency will attract centralization but not in the way the Argentine government is planning which sooner or later would put the lives of some cryptocurrency investors in Argentina in danger of burglary and other forms of attack.
Having said that, you said cash in many countries will reduced in 5-10 years. How is that going to happen when the government never seizes from printing new fiat currency every year?

I’m not saying that all cash will be destroyed, but there will be big restrictions.
There are places in Europe where you cannot pay in cash.
Cash transaction amounts are constantly decreasing in different countries, and therefore it will be difficult to buy expensive things with cash.
State support will be paid to citizens using the CBDC.
The US may be carrying out a major reform to replace dollars, and if you have more than $10,000-$50,000 in cash, you will have to prove its legal origin.

and if you can't provide legal origin, what will they do to money and the owner?

Argentina's government is telling people that declaring crypto assets should be voluntary yet if you don't, AFIP will be coming after you. Melei tricked the people in Argentina, he was supposed to be a BTC president like Bukele but he behaves so differently from Nayib.

but then anyway, the country is part of the continent of America, it's understandable they'd be using USD in economic crisis.

[zasad@]

What we're seeing here is a political game that welcomes the adoption of crypto but puts all the citizens under government control.
I don't know who is adviser of Javier Milei and what makes him believe this will be a good idea for the country but from what I read about the crypto bill he ^{(Javier Milei)} introduced to the Argentine, Javier is planned to encourage them to invest in the Bitcoin spot ETF rather than be a self-custodial crypto holder/investor.

What everyone calls implementation or mass adoption is actually called centralization of cryptocurrency.
Governments will always control the finances of their citizens. If a person is stupid and uses centralized services, then he will not own his coins and will eventually lose his money. Cash in many countries will be reduced to a minimum in 5-10 years.

I know the mass adoption of cryptocurrency will attract centralization but not in the way the Argentine government is planning which sooner or later would put the lives of some cryptocurrency investors in Argentina in danger of burglary and other forms of attack.
Having said that, you said cash in many countries will reduced in 5-10 years. How is that going to happen when the government never seizes from printing new fiat currency every year?

I’m not saying that all cash will be destroyed, but there will be big restrictions.
There are places in Europe where you cannot pay in cash.
Cash transaction amounts are constantly decreasing in different countries, and therefore it will be difficult to buy expensive things with cash.
State support will be paid to citizens using the CBDC.
The US may be carrying out a major reform to replace dollars, and if you have more than $10,000-$50,000 in cash, you will have to prove its legal origin.

and if you can't provide legal origin, what will they do to money and the owner?

Nothing. The US government will give everyone a gift for gratuitous assistance to the state

Today the dollars are green, and tomorrow the government will issue blue dollars and give a year to replace the old dollars with new ones.
For American citizens there will be large limits and a simple procedure, but for non-citizens there will be an almost impossible procedure when the legality of your earnings is checked, and the illegality of earnings of those who gave you these dollars.

[UmerIdrees]

https://www.bitdegree.org/crypto/news/argentina-to-pressure-citizens-on-declaring-their-crypto
"As per the terms of the bill, citizens will be encouraged to declare their assets, financial assets like stocks and crypto assets. Declarations will be entirely voluntary. However, the bill also suggests that in case of a failure to declare assets and tokens may result in an investigation by the Federal Administration of Public Revenues (AFIP), the nation’s tax body.

In the case of crypto assets, citizens will be asked to submit an affidavit which is a voluntary statement that can be used as evidence as it is made under oath by the law.

Citizens who declare their assets and tokens on the voluntary forms would be subject to tax at a rate of 2.5% unless they aren’t high earners. According to the bill, individuals who have under $50,000 worth of assets will be charged at a lower initial rate of 1.5%. "

So does this tactic work for the Argentine people to declare their crypto assets and give taxes on their capital gain?  What if the people do not declare their crypto assets, then how will the government be able to tax them 

I am concerned about this because recently our government may also start to tax the crypto if demanded by the IMF. If this happens the crypto needs to be legalised first and I do not know if this step from the government will benefit those who are involved in crypto or if it will be an extra burden on the cryptocurrency investors.

[zasad@]

https://www.bitdegree.org/crypto/news/argentina-to-pressure-citizens-on-declaring-their-crypto
"As per the terms of the bill, citizens will be encouraged to declare their assets, financial assets like stocks and crypto assets. Declarations will be entirely voluntary. However, the bill also suggests that in case of a failure to declare assets and tokens may result in an investigation by the Federal Administration of Public Revenues (AFIP), the nation’s tax body.

In the case of crypto assets, citizens will be asked to submit an affidavit which is a voluntary statement that can be used as evidence as it is made under oath by the law.

Citizens who declare their assets and tokens on the voluntary forms would be subject to tax at a rate of 2.5% unless they aren’t high earners. According to the bill, individuals who have under $50,000 worth of assets will be charged at a lower initial rate of 1.5%. "

So does this tactic work for the Argentine people to declare their crypto assets and give taxes on their capital gain?  What if the people do not declare their crypto assets, then how will the government be able to tax them  

I am concerned about this because recently our government may also start to tax the crypto if demanded by the IMF. If this happens the crypto needs to be legalised first and I do not know if this step from the government will benefit those who are involved in crypto or if it will be an extra burden on the cryptocurrency investors.

This tactic works in a different way. I will tell you using my country as an example, but I think this will be relevant for other countries as well. Everyone has heard about the Snowden Revelations and I think it’s no secret that all countries monitor their citizens and also non-residents who are in the country.
Such surveillance has many disadvantages, because it requires a lot of resources and high costs. It allows you to monitor opponents of the state, foreign agents, and control your subordinates, but this resource is very limited and does not allow you to effectively monitor millions of citizens.
The same can be said about any law that cannot be controlled.

But how does the law work? A person is randomly checked somewhere at an airport, train station or other public place, his phone is checked, and it turns out that he is an active crypto user who does not pay taxes. It’s even worse when it turns out that he is a member of groups that oppose government power.
And after this, all laws and large fines will begin to be applied. Such cases are constantly published in the press to intimidate the majority. This is how this tactic works.

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If it is different in your country, then write. It is very interesting to me.

[UmerIdrees]

But how does the law work? A person is randomly checked somewhere at an airport, train station or other public place, his phone is checked, and it turns out that he is an active crypto user who does not pay taxes. It’s even worse when it turns out that he is a member of groups that oppose government power.
And after this, all laws and large fines will begin to be applied. Such cases are constantly published in the press to intimidate the majority. This is how this tactic works.

A phone is personal property and i don't think anyone has the right to check the phone 
Such things do not exist in our country but even still if it exists that not a perfect way to know how much crypto a person own. There can be a situation in which a person has installed a Binance app on his mobile but he never deposits or trade 

If people in my country knew that their cell phones could be randomly checked at public places by authorities we would never install any app on our mobile phones and keep our crypto-related activities through our laptops at home and use a good VPN so the ISP couldn't even track our activity either. There are many ways to hide our crypto assets and the government cannot track how much people have in their personal wallets.

[zasad@]

But how does the law work? A person is randomly checked somewhere at an airport, train station or other public place, his phone is checked, and it turns out that he is an active crypto user who does not pay taxes. It’s even worse when it turns out that he is a member of groups that oppose government power.
And after this, all laws and large fines will begin to be applied. Such cases are constantly published in the press to intimidate the majority. This is how this tactic works.

A phone is personal property and i don't think anyone has the right to check the phone 
Such things do not exist in our country but even still if it exists that not a perfect way to know how much crypto a person own. There can be a situation in which a person has installed a Binance app on his mobile but he never deposits or trade 

If people in my country knew that their cell phones could be randomly checked at public places by authorities we would never install any app on our mobile phones and keep our crypto-related activities through our laptops at home and use a good VPN so the ISP couldn't even track our activity either. There are many ways to hide our crypto assets and the government cannot track how much people have in their personal wallets.

Of course, we live in different countries, but you shouldn’t be so naive as to think that someone has the right to check your phone.
Of course, this is not the way to fight cryptocurrency users. Thanks to this method, the police are fighting drug pawners who place these drugs in different places in the city.

On your phone, inspectors can find the Binance application. This is the first flag. If you are subscribed to communities of crypto users, then this is the second flag. If you have crypto wallets installed, then this is the third flag. And then a specialized specialist can take over your case legally.

[virasog]

On your phone, inspectors can find the Binance application. This is the first flag. If you are subscribed to communities of crypto users, then this is the second flag. If you have crypto wallets installed, then this is the third flag. And then a specialized specialist can take over your case legally.

Usually, people think that they are very clever, and they can hide their crypto activities from the government but they do not know that the government has all the means to investigate and trap the people who are hiding their crypto investments. Even all the online activities of the person can be traced by the government and there is no escape from this.

If any government will tax the crypto, then people will have to pay the taxes. Yes, they can hide this information from the government for some time but sooner or later the government will find them and in worse cases, may fine them heavily for hiding their assets and not obeying the government rules and regulations.

[m2017]

Usually, people think that they are very clever, and they can hide their crypto activities from the government but they do not know that the government has all the means to investigate and trap the people who are hiding their crypto investments. Even all the online activities of the person can be traced by the government and there is no escape from this.

“Government” is an abstract concept behind which stand ordinary people, whose qualifications vary from “government” to “government”.

For example, what means of investigation can you name ("hiding their crypto")?

Doesn’t the “government” have any difficulties tracking offline activities? Maybe citizens of Argentina should look in this direction?

If any government will tax the crypto, then people will have to pay the taxes. Yes, they can hide this information from the government for some time but sooner or later the government will find them and in worse cases, may fine them heavily for hiding their assets and not obeying the government rules and regulations.

People don't necessarily have to do this. If cryptocurrencies are stored in a wallet and not moved for many years, then how will the "government" know that you have it? Unless you tell it yourself under torture.

What about changing the “government” that threatens to “may fine them heavily” to another one by changing place of residence (a country with a greedy “government”)?

[Mpamaegbu]

I am waiting for the day they all slowly start punishing for not declaring.  They are inducing fear now, it will be a punishment next.

Government institutions always gradually test the waters and make it look like whatever legislation they come up with is for the good of their citizens but it's all lies. They stylishly forced KYC on exchanges and have now moved a step further to asking citizens to declare assets for the convenience of tax assessment. We know that's not a germane reason. There's an ongoing battle in my country with Binance and government. My country is accusing Binance of sabotaging her economically and seeking Binance to start paying tax. It's laughable how these politicians, not understanding jack about cryptocurrencies, jump into it ignorantly to control it.