Royse777 is a dishonest person and thus my negative feedback

[Poker Player]

I would have liked to put this subject to rest a long time ago, but since Royse777 doesn't stop crying and some people don't seem to know what happened, I'm going to create this post, as recommended by LoyceV, to use it as a reference.

The summary of reasons is as follows:

1) His involvement in the Bitlucy case.
2) His dishonest way of acting by demanding people who left negative feedback to him to change the feedback and feeling entitled instead of being humble and keeping a low profile.
3) His dishonest way of acting by hiding behind an alt in the Casino Critique case.
4) His dishonest way of acting by covering up for naim027 scum.
5) His dishonest way of acting in the recent case of being banned for ad spam, although this is of minor importance, but reaffirms his dishonesty.

1) His involvement in the Bitlucy case.

I'll echo efialtis negative feedback:

Promoting and even being part of a shady crypto casino. Poor management, poor excuses with various withdrawal requests not having ever been executed for weeks.

Reference: Bitlucy withdrawal problem, does this acceptable?

Royse777 was a person with a great reputation on the forum, unimpeachable until a few months ago. He started promoting Bitlucy casino, which at the beginning was advertised as Bitlucy777 in which he announced that he was going to be a partner.

There began to be problems with withdrawals with what I smelled that it was going to be a scam. When we saw the problem, DireWolfM and I were the first to give Royse777 a red tag and igehh and I were the first to support Solosanz's flag in this regard.

In the end, the worst suspicions were confirmed, Bitlucy was an exit scam. This in normal conditions would have meant a total destruction of Royse777's reputation if it were not for the fact that he was a person who has distributed a lot of money in signature campaigns and for wearing his avatars. In this, another DT and I have agreed talking about it by PM.

When Royse777 gave explanations, many people who had red tagged or supported the flag started to withdraw the support, forgiving him because we understood that somehow he had been involved in the problem without bad intentions.

2) His dishonest way of acting by demanding people who left negative feedback to him to change the feedback and feeling entitled instead of being humble and keeping a low profile.

I am not going to back it up in links because it is scattered throughout the various threads in Reputation, but those who have followed the story know what happened. Simply instead of shutting his mouth and trying to regain his reputation with a low profile, Royse777 started to pick on those who had not changed the feedback from negative to neutral, especially yahoo62278 and JollyGood. With yahoo62278 he got him to change the feedback from negative to neutral, I think because he was annoying and not to have to hear him anymore, but if we see the feedback we will see that despite the neutral color it is clearly negative in spirit.

Tell me if someone who doesn't know the story and doesn't care about color would make deals with Royse777 based on that feedback:

Co partner of Bitlucy casino that ended up scamming participants. User is also very hotheaded and childish

JollyGood was left for dead because Royse777's long whining was answered by even longer walls of text in response from JollyGood.

Later he had the same attitude with me.

3) His dishonest way of acting by hiding behind an alt in the Casino Critique case.

After a short time, he planned a big project that would not only earn him a lot of money if it went well, but also help him to regain his reputation:

[IBCO - suspended] ⚽🎰 Casino Critique⭐ FREE Chip for BCT Members ❤️‍🔥

I, and many, received an email like this:

I hope you are doing great buddy!

I am behind the project Casino Critique and forum account Casino Critique is my official account. Please keep it unpublished.
Link of our ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409868.0

I would like to Gift you a Chip worth 0.001 BTC, which is on me. :-)
It's under the clause:

9. Team have the right to invite known gamblers, Bitcointalk members or ANYONE to this FREE gift promotion.

Would you mind replaying with a BTC address so that I can add it for you?

On the ANN thread you will be able to see more details including the Chip allocated for users on the spreadsheet.

Cheers,

PS: Feel free to reach out to me on my telegram for any question: @Royse777

This is dishonest. Potential investors had a right to know who was behind that account.

Then a newbie appeared, probably an alt, and when there were already suspicions, he created this thread:

Royse777 is Casino Critique

Royse777 was slow to show up on the thread, but he did show up not to confirm it was true, but to throw his weight around and accuse JollyGood of using alts to harm his reputation.

4) His dishonest way of acting by covering up for naim027 scum.

Royse777 was, dishonestly, covering up for a person if you can call him that, who has repeatedly demonstrated no moral principles. And not only that, but that scum was his biggest alibi in the Bitlucy case.

Hello,

I'm not sure if I post this here but I just noticed the issue about Naim027 and I can't comment on any of his locked threads. I am putting it here because of what I commented in a previous post, and it is somewhat related to the trust system.

It turns out that today when I go to check my trust list, I see that AnotherAlt had removed me from his trust list, when I didn't realize that he had included me.

When I saw in his ban appeal thread in meta that he said that a casino had scammed him by not paying him for being a moderator, I remember thinking: "this guy is in trouble for everything he is involved in".

Now I see his confession, after having been caught, and I am stunned.

....
By the way, I have not even read what he says in his confession. He has no credibility whatsoever.

Edit: After rereading the threads well, I think there is a second derivative of this, which yahoo62278 has brought to my attention.

Royse777 knew that the person behind AnotherAlt was Naim027, who was ban evading.

That at the very least is going to get him a neutral tag of negative spirit from me. And I think it's more likely to be a negative tag, and I don't care about those of you who hold Royse777 in high esteem.

But, and here comes the important part, what evidence do we have that Royse777 did not play a major role in Bitlucy(777)? Only two: his word and that of AnotherAlt, that is, that of naim027, Dic3L0v3r and Crypt0S0ul. Someone who has shown that he would sell his son to the devil in order to get money, who has cheated in every possible way.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403679.msg60500779#msg60500779

I guess I can help a little bit.
@Royse777, I want to be anonymous in this forum. After this post, Only you, bitlucy owner, and another guy from this forum will know who am I. Please don't reveal me.

@yahoo62278 I was referred by a guy from this forum to Royse777. Bitlucy was looking for a Support Agent and I was looking for a job.
Since there is a question raised about Royse777 being the owner of Bitlucy or not, I can confirm that it doesn't look to me that he is the owner.
I was looking for a full conversation with Bitlucy owner and Royse777. But, I figured out either Royse777 or Bitlucy Owner Deleted the group and cleared the conversation. So I am unable to submit the full conversation. But, at that time, I took three screenshots to give to my current employer.

5) His dishonest way of acting in the recent case of being banned for ad spam, although this is of minor importance, but reaffirms his dishonesty.

This point is not so important, but, again, we see that he knows he is doing something he should not be doing, and he does it:

Just to clear things up, I believe @Royse777 got temp banned for this PM since I was one of the ones who received it, this is for anyone whos wondering what the PM was.

And thank goodness he didn't find out who reported him, otherwise he'd already be crying and opening threads against him.

The bottom line is that he is a dishonest person and I personally wouldn't deal with him for $0.01. Does this mean that he will necessarily scam all the deals he does? No. In this life you are not either a completely honest person or a serial killer like Ted Bundy who took advantage of the kindness of women to kidnap, rape and kill them, there is a middle ground.

I think that whoever makes deals with Royse777 has a certain risk of losing his money, that's why the negative feedback, although for example, I do not believe in the case of the campaings that he will manage them well and there will be no problem, but simply because it is more profitable for him, not because of his (dis)honesty.

Bonus: boasts about employing naim027:

And by the way, I forgot one thing. If I find out that in CasinoCritique is naim027 as a member of the team or someone who has 11 red tags, I will red tag the account. One bad apple spoils the basket.

Explain why you brought naim027 in the discussion while I was giving a general view without specifying any of the accused account?

Oh one thing you need to know.
Naim027 works on updating my spreadsheets. One of the many team members in 💹📈 Bitcointalk Campaign Management 💪🔥 Signature & Bounty

Some roles that my team members play in the campaign management.
ANN management
Spreadsheet checking
Graphic Designing
Telegram moderation
Content creation
Translation
For each of the jobs I have several people who work to ensure quality service, 24/7 customer service etc. One Naim027 is just a part of the 8 to 10 people who work all the time for campaign management.

I am waiting for you to tag me now because I employed Naim027.
Be my guest.

Whoever is behind it as the person ultimately responsible must ensure that this does not happen, and if he lets it happen, he is allowing ban evading. And I don't care if the account is run as a commune or cooperative with no maximum responsible, they are as responsible as the individual person who is ban evading.

Shut up!

[AB de Royse777]

Thank God. Finally it ends. Next time when someone will leave a trade feedback or a character certificate on my trust page, it will stay at the top.

The snapshot since Bitlucy madness:

Poker Player

2023-01-13

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Royse777 is a dishonest person and people dealing with him are at a potential risk of losing money as explained in the reference link.

NeuroticFish

2022-11-17

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I've been in a few campaigns managed by Royse777 and he always paid every penny. No matter what others say about his one mistake (I wonder how many of you would pay from your own pocket for your mistakes on this forum! Well, he did!), I do trust him.

Heisenberg_Hunter

2022-11-04

Royse777 hired me for a few designs. They were patient, communication was flawless and paid me upfront. Thank You and looking forward to work with you in future

Little Mouse

2022-09-06

I have no problem to trust Royse777 with a big amount of fund too.

JollyGood

2022-08-04

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Feedback updated: This user has serious anger management issues and avoids answering questions about their full involvement in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam. Has refused to return funds to all victims citing fake KYC requirements and was campaign manager and self declared "Co-Partner and Marketing Director" in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam

yahoo62278

2022-07-18

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Co partner of Bitlucy casino that ended up scamming participants. User is also very hotheaded and childish

CryptopreneurBrainboss

2022-07-14

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This is a very trustworthy individual, paid me for several signature promotion & done some deals that involves me trusting him to payback funds used to fund the Project Covid-19 outreach in Nigeria communities and he delivered as promised. Paid me back without hesitation, read reference link for more details.

Solosanz

2022-06-24

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A genuine user who have been dragged with a scammer (Bitlucy) he already tell a truth when he's still a part with Bitlucy and he promise to pay the clients with his own pocket money.

Igebotz

2022-06-23

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I've changed my neg tag to neutral, a reputable member but his/her management skills sucks. He's a co-partner of a scam casino bitlucy.com. read the reference for more details.

examplens

2022-06-23

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Turning from red to neutral. Royse777 naively trusted the owner of BitLucy Casino, he had been insecure for too long handling the problem. I believe he had no intention of deceiving anyone

JollyGood

2022-06-23

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Read previous feedback or click link for details about the Bitlucy scam. Unacceptable conduct from a campaign manager. In this situation negligent management cannot be excused by mitigating circumstances or previous forum post history. I will review/revise my feedback and support of flag if compelling evidence or statements come to light.

DireWolfM14

2022-06-23

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Turning my red-trust to neutral because I believe that Royse777 can be trusted with business transactions. My original feedback "Promoting a casino that is ignoring it's users' withdrawal requests," is still accurate, but I believe Royse777 fell in with the wrong crowd.

efialtis

2022-06-22

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Promoting and even being part of a shady crypto casino. Poor management, poor excuses with various withdrawal requests not having ever been executed for weeks.

If anyone is wondering what happened in bitlucy then this is my side of story:
Royse777, Bitlucy and long story in brief
I paid over $6,000 cash, out of my own pocket for the mistake I made.

If you are a project owner and curious to check my portfolio and work then feel free to visit my service page 💹📈 Bitcointalk Campaign Management 💪🔥 Signature & Bounty. Ask questions to yourself how could a dishonest person have over 6 active campaigns and all together entrusted by 0.70999878 btc (at current price $13,690) + $2,800 USDT.
That's $16,490 which is over 329 weeks salary Poker Player makes from the forum. Currently I am working with over 125 forum members who are in different signature campaigns working hard to promote different brands. It cost around $8,000 per week and all of them can confirm that they are receiving their payments every week on time.
The list of the members are available on the following spreadsheets:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zM5sO2FmEYqDEIAn2q4l7YG9EZfGKUWeu0ulFQ8UUjw/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cZK1BFHgbNivPuMESw7nODX8pTyJ98cjU2rrKb0t9rw/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hUz_o7OD8wP_9YiZUuBGL09WJI1fa7f_ZlDInPqNXyM/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o0KlIaLlRP69rfiZd5nRy-dJNKBs13ucbin2X9TXg0w/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14_t4rLhjqztJDaDBNYRL7dihP70xYA5xlR31StZZUNk/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SLhz6zEmBSrlZ0wNJDMvKI5vOgBZzVjG8b9FlXpn-oQ/edit?usp=sharing
I am looking forward to add your campaign in my portfolio and add it above. My actions should speak for me, not the words.

Thank you poker player to give me the opportunity to leave an executive report of the work I do while you are busy spreading hate against me. See you some day seeking a position in one of my campaign.

[dkbit98]

Would both of you guys just grow up finally?!
Poker Player you are calling Royse a crybaby but at the same time you are acting like a spoiled brat who is changing his trust feedback all the time, and you look like obsessed with Royse.
From all the scams and lost funds that happened recently (including another bounty manager recently) you only choose to target one person, so I have to say that looks very bias.
You are contacting other members with private messages and you telling them to avoid doing business with Royse... that is borderline insane, and your negative feedback for Royse is trust abuse in my oppinion.

[AB de Royse777]

Would both of you guys just grow up finally?!

I really do not have time to continue this childish, the only reason to make the post above is not to lose the next potential client. I believe I have lost few already.

Obviously potential clients will check the feedback reference and read only his side of story to make up their mind. That's he wants, doesn't he? The post above was a try for me to give the potential clients a report of the works I do. I believe it will help them to make a wise decision for the benefit of their investment.

I have no use of this thread anymore. Expect me living in peace.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You are contacting other members with private messages and you telling them to avoid doing business with Royse... that is borderline insane, and your negative feedback for Royse is trust abuse in my oppinion.

I don't 100% agree with negative feedback for Royse777 (though he was definitely evasive about his role in the Casino Critique case), but I don't think Poker Player leaving a neg or starting up this thread constitutes abuse, either.  On the other hand, I think everyone who's already familiar with the issues he brought up has already made their judgement and justifying the negative feedback in this way is unnecessary.

These are kind of old issues at this point, no?

[suchmoon]

your negative feedback for Royse is trust abuse in my oppinion.

I don't think it's abuse. Now that it's been properly referenced I don't see any problem with it.

Obviously potential clients will check the feedback reference and read only his side of story to make up their mind. That's he wants, doesn't he?

It's not a self-mod thread, so how could he possibly expect it to be one-sided? Makes no sense. As evidenced by you being able to post your side of the story, which TBH you could have made less petty but that's your choice.

[dkbit98]

I don't think it's abuse. Now that it's been properly referenced I don't see any problem with it.

So you are saying we should start giving negative trust feedback to all dishonest members in this forum, or it's only ok to do this for Royse, call him names like ''crybaby'' ,mock him all the time, and talk with his customers/clients?
To me this sounds more like some kind of online stokers behavior, than a grown man who can evaluate who deserves negative trust feedback.
Referenced or not, I said this is my opinion and I criticized them both, asking them to stop with this circus show.
If they continue this path, I will have to ignore both of them in future because I don't enjoy watching Telenovelas.

[suchmoon]

I don't think it's abuse. Now that it's been properly referenced I don't see any problem with it.

So you are saying we should start giving negative trust feedback to all dishonest members in this forum, or it's only ok to do this for Royse, call him names like ''crybaby'' ,mock him all the time, and talk with his customers/clients?

If the trust rating indicates PP's poor judgement then exclusion is the way to deal with it. But I don't think it's abuse of the trust system, i.e. it doesn't really break any trust system rules or guidelines as far as I can see. Negative trust is for high risk, and PP stated as much in the feedback, and also created a thread to substantiate the claim (again, if you disagree with the facts/opinions/conclusions presented - that's a valid concern but I wouldn't call it abuse).

As I said in the other thread, I think contacting Royse777's clients is not cool, but as far as trust system is concerned, I wouldn't call it abuse unless PP said something like "if you do business with Royse777 I'll red-trust you".

I hope this is the last thread in the drama.

[joker_josue]

I wasn't very frequent in this area of the forum, because I was never one to do big business with other members. But, in the last few months I have been paying attention to this section, for several reasons - which may go through some negotiations.

But, from what I've seen in the last few months, what appears here are tantrums between users. What need do I have to know that user X doesn't like Y?
We don't have to like everyone, nor do we all have the same opinions on matters. That's what makes this community interesting and different from many others.

As imperfect people, we all make mistakes in the choices we make. The difference is whether the person is able to learn from those mistakes and change to try to improve in the future. Analysis should be done, whether the user has learned and changed or not.

If we don't like or support a user, there is an "ignore" option that can be used. I see a lot of people giving value to people they don't like.

Don't focus on the problems, focus on the solutions! Learn from past mistakes so as not to repeat them in the future. But for that, you don't have to be stuck in the past.

That said, any warnings and useful information we have about someone here on the forum is always good to share. Then letting each one evaluate what he should do based on that information.

[yhiaali3]

In general, I don't like to get into this kind of argument too much, but I want to give my opinion unbiased regarding Royse777 as the campaign manager of the forum.

I have not dealt with Royse777 personally before, but on my part I want to confirm that I participated in many campaigns previously with Royse777, every time I participated in those campaigns, there was no problem, the payment was made regularly without delay or problems with subscribers, even He was open to discussing members who might be complaining that their posts were not counted accurately.
Also, during all those campaigns, I did not hear about any problem between him and the sponsor of the campaign. All these things make me say that he is a really successful campaign manager and a very good member of the forum.

As for the poker player, I also see him as a very good member of the forum. I always read his good and constructive posts and discussions. Of course he has a point of view that he believes is in favor of the members of the forum.

Therefore, since the point of view of the two parties was presented through this topic, I do not see a reason to prolong the dispute more than that, the members of the forum are the ones who judge the issue, each member according to his point of view.

[naim027]

Here is the deleted post from your Moderated Thread.
Answer if you have balls

Even though he is on your ignore list, You unignore him every few days to see what he doing and then renew your feedback. You had a point to tag him and you did it already. But, You keep pushing him by doing such childish things. You are trying to keep alive the drama and that's why you doing it. Right?

The last feedback from you is personal.
I hope you have the balls to reply with a good point and not just delete my post and go away.
Your last post shows your anger and rage.

[JollyGood]

I would have liked to put this subject to rest a long time ago, but since Royse777 doesn't stop crying and some people don't seem to know what happened

That is quite an extensive list, very detailed and it must have taken time to compile therefore your efforts have to be noted.

Initially I thought about staying out of this thread because it is not been self-moderated and eventually it will be overrun with walls of text especially when Royse777 gets in to defensive mode and couple of hangers-on will come to back her up but at least you made a reference for your feedback/trust and rational therefore members can read it if they are interested.

I disagree with some of your comments, it is not important to explain where but in the general aspect you seem to have matters mostly correct as far as I can recall.

If anyone is wondering what happened in bitlucy then this is my side of story:
Royse777, Bitlucy and long story in brief
I paid over $6,000 cash, out of my own pocket for the mistake I made.

Who actually believes this?

Who believes Royse777 paid over $6000 from their own pocket for the mistake she made and what evidence has been shown to back up that claim?

Does anybody know what the mistake was that she made?

I even saw a forum member repeat this claim as though it was a matter of fact. Where is the evidence $6000 was paid by Royse777 and to whom was it paid. Is there any actual link to an actual post (rather than a link to a thread OP) that can be seen to show blockchain evidence?

As far as I recall, the few complaints that were made in the forum did not any of the funds they were scammed out of. In one case an alleged threat was made against members involved in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam which was cited by Royse777 as an excuse to not pay losses even though she said she would pay out from her own pocket. Does anybody remember Royse777 wanting KYC from a victim before paying for their losses even though Bitlucy had already exit scammed?

My actions should speak for me, not the words.

The problem is your words which come secondary to your actions. When you do not get your way you cannot even handle a decent debate without getting extremely agitated and aggressive. As English is not your first language it is clear that is part of the problem but that does not negate the aggression and petulance on your part.

Thank you poker player to give me the opportunity to leave an executive report of the work I do while you are busy spreading hate against me. See you some day seeking a position in one of my campaign.

Such arrogance with an overinflated ego. Why could you not start the new year off with a change in attitude and be more approachable and respectful  

I don't 100% agree with negative feedback for Royse777 (though he was definitely evasive about his role in the Casino Critique case), but I don't think Poker Player leaving a neg or starting up this thread constitutes abuse, either.  On the other hand, I think everyone who's already familiar with the issues he brought up has already made their judgement and justifying the negative feedback in this way is unnecessary.

These are kind of old issues at this point, no?

You are right if I read correctly, these are old issues but have now have a singular reference point compiled. Like you I do not see abuse here because a reference has been compiled.

[AB de Royse777]

If anyone is wondering what happened in bitlucy then this is my side of story:
Royse777, Bitlucy and long story in brief
I paid over $6,000 cash, out of my own pocket for the mistake I made.

Who actually believes this?

Who believes Royse777 paid over $6000 from their own pocket for the mistake she made and what evidence has been shown to back up that claim?

Does anybody know what the mistake was that she made?

I even saw a forum member repeat this claim as though it was a matter of fact. Where is the evidence $6000 was paid by Royse777 and to whom was it paid. Is there any actual link to an actual post (rather than a link to a thread OP) that can be seen to show blockchain evidence?

As far as I recall, the few complaints that were made in the forum did not any of the funds they were scammed out of. In one case an alleged threat was made against members involved in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam which was cited by Royse777 as an excuse to not pay losses even though she said she would pay out from her own pocket. Does anybody remember Royse777 wanting KYC from a victim before paying for their losses even though Bitlucy had already exit scammed?

My actions should speak for me, not the words.

The problem is your words which come secondary to your actions. When you do not get your way you cannot even handle a decent debate without getting extremely agitated and aggressive. As English is not your first language it is clear that is part of the problem but that does not negate the aggression and petulance on your part.

Thank you poker player to give me the opportunity to leave an executive report of the work I do while you are busy spreading hate against me. See you some day seeking a position in one of my campaign.

Such arrogance with an overinflated ego. Why could you not start the new year off with a change in attitude and be more approachable and respectful  

Do you think I need your suggestion/advice? I don't. Do you think I need approval from you before doing anything? I don't. Do you think I bother to prove anything that you demand? I don't.

You need to understand, you have no importance for me. Stop inviting me to response for your demand, to read your suggestions, to consider your approval. By now if you have brain then it's clear that I treat you same as the waste in my bin. How am I not in your ignore list yet?

Initially I thought about staying out of this thread because it is not been self-moderated

So what made your mind to change?
This?

[JollyGood]

@OP

Just one of example of the walls of text I referred to.

[Poker Player]

You are contacting other members with private messages and you telling them to avoid doing business with Royse... that is borderline insane, and your negative feedback for Royse is trust abuse in my oppinion.

What? You are insane. Prove that, liar.

I'm not going to have long discussions with you because arguing with you is almost the same as arguing with crybaby777, but what I will not tolerate is your blatant lying.

As I said in the other thread, I think contacting Royse777's clients is not cool, but as far as trust system is concerned, I wouldn't call it abuse unless PP said something like "if you do business with Royse777 I'll red-trust you".

What? Do you mean crybaby777 is saying that I have been PMing his clients and telling them no to do business with him?

Poker Player you are calling Royse a crybaby but at the same time you are acting like a spoiled brat who is changing his trust feedback all the time, and you look like obsessed with Royse.

If you weren't so biased, you would know that the changes were started by me softening the negative feedback, followed by your friend crying.

From all the scams and lost funds that happened recently (including another bounty manager recently) you only choose to target one person, so I have to say that looks very bias.

False, you are a liar. For starters the other manager had a completely different attitude from the start. He has an inactive flag due to lack of support and only negative feedback. Nothing to do with your friend.

I'm not going to put you on ignore at the moment to control what lies you tell about me, liar.

Edit after unignoring Royse777 and reading the blatant lie he's told about me:

I will post here the link to my demonstration that it is a lie that I am PMing anyone to tell them not to do business with crybaby777 and I have the content saved. If crybaby777 happens to delete the thread I will post the proof here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434476.msg61610794#msg61610794

By the way he got another negative feedback for that blatant lie. On top of that he has the nerve to say that if we wanted a screen recording. Yes, we want a screen recording, yes.

If you don't like my second feedback you can distrust me, ignore me or whatever. I'm not going to change it. This person is not to be trusted and proves it every day.

[suchmoon]

As I said in the other thread, I think contacting Royse777's clients is not cool, but as far as trust system is concerned, I wouldn't call it abuse unless PP said something like "if you do business with Royse777 I'll red-trust you".

What? Do you mean crybaby777 is saying that I have been PMing his clients and telling them no to do business with him?

Royse777 (can we skip the childish name mangling) posted telegram screenshots of a potential client telling him (Royse777) that they (the potential client) received a message from you. I don't know if the alleged message was telling them not to do business with Royse777 nor did they say it was a PM, and my statement is mostly hypothetical anyway. If you're saying you didn't send the message then one of you three is lying (you, Royse777, or the client) but honestly I couldn't care less at this point. Can you be the adult in this drama and step back? Someone should, might as well be you.

[Smartvirus]

Royse777 (can we skip the childish name mangling) posted telegram screenshots of a potential client telling him (Royse777) that they (the potential client) received a message from you. I don't know if the alleged message was telling them not to do business with Royse777 nor did they say it was a PM, and my statement is mostly hypothetical anyway. If you're saying you didn't send the message then one of you three is lying (you, Royse777, or the client) but honestly I couldn't care less at this point. Can you be the adult in this drama and step back? Someone should, might as well be you.

It's such a difficult result to expect on the forum given that, which ever way it turns, it gets to reflect badly and its very much sticky so I wouldn't expect either of Poker Player or Royse777 not to stay there ground on that particular allegation given the too distinct position but, should anyone hope to end that quite conclusively, it would be the company. Having a copy of messages from both parties.

Either way, I am not any much interested and really hope for this drama to end as it begone. Hate and fabrications are something not to expect on forum users. This division to the point of not having to wish for our goods isn't helping.

[suchmoon]

Royse777 (can we skip the childish name mangling) posted telegram screenshots of a potential client telling him (Royse777) that they (the potential client) received a message from you. I don't know if the alleged message was telling them not to do business with Royse777 nor did they say it was a PM, and my statement is mostly hypothetical anyway. If you're saying you didn't send the message then one of you three is lying (you, Royse777, or the client) but honestly I couldn't care less at this point. Can you be the adult in this drama and step back? Someone should, might as well be you.

It's such a difficult result to expect on the forum given that, which ever way it turns, it gets to reflect badly and its very much sticky so I wouldn't expect either of Poker Player or Royse777 not to stay there ground on that particular allegation given the too distinct position but, should anyone hope to end that quite conclusively, it would be the company. Having a copy of messages from both parties.

One can stand their ground and not stoop to the level of grotesque mud-slinging this is turning into. Let's say Royse777 lied, PP can add this statement to the OP and not add more negative ratings. I don't expect de-escalation any time soon but I think by now it's quite clear where the sides stand in this debacle and I doubt anyone's opinion will be significantly affected if one of them stops counterpunching.

[Smartvirus]

One can stand their ground and not stoop to the level of grotesque mud-slinging this is turning into. Let's say Royse777 lied, PP can add this statement to the OP and not add more negative ratings. I don't expect de-escalation any time soon but I think by now it's quite clear where the sides stand in this debacle and I doubt anyone's opinion will be significantly affected if one of them stops counterpunching.

Your apparently right. The good gesture to any peaceful coexistence is understanding each others differences and be willing/ready to make necessary adjustments. Being right in a contest of words with nothing else to hedge on could be such a difficult thing to archive when it's put in contest. Its always going going to have a direction to turn with any capped pinnacle and so, I'll suggest they both be wrong in there perception of long ago and current claims to move on. That feels like the more easier thing to do.

I don't xoect my word to mean much here, like Suchmoon has stated, opinions don't significantly matter with all sides believing to have something to prove so, let the parties be wrong to be peaceful than be right and throw punches.

[Poker Player]

On the other hand, I think everyone who's already familiar with the issues he brought up has already made their judgement and justifying the negative feedback in this way is unnecessary.

These are kind of old issues at this point, no?

Yeah but nutildah didn't know about the subject and just in case more people didn't either I made this thread as I was advised.

Royse777 (can we skip the childish name mangling) posted telegram screenshots of a potential client telling him (Royse777) that they (the potential client) received a message from you. I don't know if the alleged message was telling them not to do business with Royse777 nor did they say it was a PM, and my statement is mostly hypothetical anyway. If you're saying you didn't send the message then one of you three is lying (you, Royse777, or the client) but honestly I couldn't care less at this point. Can you be the adult in this drama and step back? Someone should, might as well be you.

No, because the fucking whining childish scammer made up a lie to harm my reputation, which he couldn't do even if it were true.

What fuckingliar777 has to do is to prove what he can't prove. Doesn't he say he has a screen recording? Let him show proof that I have sent PMs to his clients.

By the way, does anyone know how I could prove that I have not deleted PMs? Because I have not deleted any.