Gambling addiction touched forum users in a very sad way...

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Here you are: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.msg61586158#msg61586158

There is also one more post, few pages later, when someone else writes about his talk with Yogg.

I was browsing the board until the topic got my attention and then left a response for Yogg and others on that topic. It's really unfortunate and I can think how hard it is for a gambler to accept everything he lost and how he is destroying himself.

Long ago I was a gambling addict. My life was a disaster. At some point people who are very close to me they came forward to help me. To start I had to disconnect myself from all sorts of gambling websites, banned myself from all the local bookies. Then I was taken to a psychiatrist. The process was long but eventually I was able to give up the addiction. Those who follow me knows these days I do not gamble. do not even take free bets if I win from any competitions. 

What Yogg need is the support from the people around him. Once he is sober then he can rebuild his career and settle all the debts. People are not going to trust him anymore but at least he can take steps to make things right.

[uneng]

Long ago I was a gambling addict. My life was a disaster. At some point people who are very close to me they came forward to help me. To start I had to disconnect myself from all sorts of gambling websites, banned myself from all the local bookies. Then I was taken to a psychiatrist. The process was long but eventually I was able to give up the addiction. Those who follow me knows these days I do not gamble. do not even take free bets if I win from any competitions. 

Congratulations for overcoming your gambling addiciton. It must be really hard to face the desire for gambling, while being seen in a bad way by friends and relatives around. You should be proud of yourself, because you are a real winner for your achievement! And congrats to these people who are close to you as well, since they must have been an essential friendly hand on your recovery process.

Anyway, stories like the one present on this thread show us how gambling addiction can become a serious problem involving a lot of people besides the addicted gambler himself. Sometimes the person is blind by his addiction that he will do anything and everything to continue wagering. In this case the person stole funds, and in some more extreme situations the person can even kill!

That he may start treating himself properly against this addiction and refunding all those people he scammed futurely.

[SirLancelot]

For the ones who do not follow Collectibles forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.0):
Cold Key owner retrieved private keys of all the sold 'cold wallets' he produced and as he was in need because of gambling he stole all the funds.

Which (apart of obvious sad event for card buyers/owners) is a very problematic for the whole "collectibles" market, any coin/card producer now will be asked twice "how may I trust you?".

Yogg scammed it and stole people's money.  It wasn't all of the cards just a certain series I think but who knows.  There are more still loaded but yeah they can all be able to be considered breached.  Gambling doesn't do this to people, people do this to people.  He stole, whatever the reason he stole from people period.  Nothing to do with gambling, if not gambling it would have been for something else.

Maybe he just prioritize those cards who have a bigger balance on them and then after it, those cards with a smaller balances on them are going to be the next on the list. Holder of those cards should act quickly and empty those balances before the scammer made its move.

You are right that gambling doesn't have the ability to scam people but gambling are only built to give entertainment to the people however there are cases where a person can get addicted with gambling where they will lose all what they got and then they can be able to commit crimes only to deposit more money in the game. I remember SBF is also said to be a gambler and this can also be the reason on why his company fall down.

[klidex]

However, if someone has overcome gambling addiction, it will have a bad impact or effect on their life. Not only forum users, but even outsiders, if they are already addicted to gambling, they will feel sad trouble.
If someone is addicted, it will be very difficult for them to be able to hold back or stop the desire to always play or bet.
What they have in mind is just to play and keep betting, whether what they experience is only defeat or victory, they don't care. Even if the money runs out they can do everything they can to be able to keep gambling.
An impact like this will make it very difficult for them to survive and will only experience difficulties or hardships from an economic perspective.
Unless the gambling addict has had a lot of money from the start and they are experts in every game or bet, then they will be able to use gambling as a source of their income.

[piebeyb]

Anyway, stories like the one present on this thread show us how gambling addiction can become a serious problem involving a lot of people besides the addicted gambler himself. Sometimes the person is blind by his addiction that he will do anything and everything to continue wagering. In this case the person stole funds, and in some more extreme situations the person can even kill!

That he may start treating himself properly against this addiction and refunding all those people he scammed futurely.

I just understood what it means to win in gambling, namely to control yourself, when people can control themselves in gambling, that's where they already feel the victory, it doesn't mean that they have to get more money at the gambling table, people have to change their mindset like this , if addicts continue to be unable to control themselves then they will continue to do anything to continue playing at the gambling table no matter what crimes they make

[rhomelmabini]

The damage was around less 2 BTC (as per what I read on other topics created) and we don't know if yogg has that kind of money right now considering the case that he scammed those collectors. This guy won't get away with it, he's known entirely and he just sold his reputation that low because of gambling addiction.

If he had I don't think he would've avoided the issue and would've answered the queries here himself. He instead ran away and let the ones who contacted him inform the rest of his customers instead. The issue wouldn't be over with paying the money he stole, but at the very least, it would've been enough to credit it as an "impulsive (VERY) action" on his stead.

Yeah the guy was literally inactive for a month now and I don't think he has the balls to back in here again besides his reputation has been at the lowest already. If it wouldn't have been opened up by one of his customers, then, he probably just enjoying not being caught yet or worst he may have scammed other collectibles out there that wasn't moved.

[ultrloa]

For the ones who do not follow Collectibles forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.0):
Cold Key owner retrieved private keys of all the sold 'cold wallets' he produced and as he was in need because of gambling he stole all the funds.

Which (apart of obvious sad event for card buyers/owners) is a very problematic for the whole "collectibles" market, any coin/card producer now will be asked twice "how may I trust you?".

Its really unfortunate event on what happen to coldkey owners since this incident is unexpected but I don't see the person involve saying that it has to be done by gambling that's why he stole all the money of coldkeys owner. Maybe its his personal choice to scam people and provably this is long time plan already.

Maybe he's gambling headed dude but I don't see this a reason why he scam people.

if you're in a desperate position, you will go out of your way just to cater your desires. so yes, even if we say, he can't do it, well, he did it. some people will resort to unexpected moves if they see it necessary given his situation on hand. it is not the first time we are hearing such sad story, but it won't be the last. if you are in deep in gambling, sometimes your logical reasoning is out of hand already.

Yeah, worst thing happen and sometimes those affected person will do crime just to have money to sustain there activities done in a casino. If this case is true and the said person is addicted to gambling then maybe this will be the eye opener for other newbie gambler that same thing might happen to them if they became a hardcore gambler so we should follow always the reminder that gambling in moderation to avoid unwanted things.

[Shamm]

For the ones who do not follow Collectibles forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.0):
Cold Key owner retrieved private keys of all the sold 'cold wallets' he produced and as he was in need because of gambling he stole all the funds.

Which (apart of obvious sad event for card buyers/owners) is a very problematic for the whole "collectibles" market, any coin/card producer now will be asked twice "how may I trust you?".

Its really unfortunate event on what happen to coldkey owners since this incident is unexpected but I don't see the person involve saying that it has to be done by gambling that's why he stole all the money of coldkeys owner. Maybe its his personal choice to scam people and provably this is long time plan already.

Maybe he's gambling headed dude but I don't see this a reason why he scam people.

if you're in a desperate position, you will go out of your way just to cater your desires. so yes, even if we say, he can't do it, well, he did it. some people will resort to unexpected moves if they see it necessary given his situation on hand. it is not the first time we are hearing such sad story, but it won't be the last. if you are in deep in gambling, sometimes your logical reasoning is out of hand already.

Yeah, worst thing happen and sometimes those affected person will do crime just to have money to sustain there activities done in a casino. If this case is true and the said person is addicted to gambling then maybe this will be the eye opener for other newbie gambler that same thing might happen to them if they became a hardcore gambler so we should follow always the reminder that gambling in moderation to avoid unwanted things.

Its up a gambler itself it because we all know that not all gambler get addicted but mostly and this is a bad thing happen from a gambler life of they van not control themselves. But what we saw in real world many gamblers get addicted even though they are small gamblers they do an unexpected things in order to fulfill Thier hunger mind. And yes newbie in gamble must know about this in order to prevent themselves to so such things.

[maydna]

Yeah, worst thing happen and sometimes those affected person will do crime just to have money to sustain there activities done in a casino. If this case is true and the said person is addicted to gambling then maybe this will be the eye opener for other newbie gambler that same thing might happen to them if they became a hardcore gambler so we should follow always the reminder that gambling in moderation to avoid unwanted things.

The danger of being a gambling addict is that he only thinks about how he can have money to gamble, and there is a possibility that they will commit crimes that will harm many people. And if that case is true, this is a lesson for us always to take good care of ourselves and avoid gambling addiction. We can easily become addicted to gambling because playing gambling is very exciting and can make us curious, happy, sad, and so on. And it will only trigger us to become addicted to gambling that we will not even realize.

[Findingnemo]

For the ones who do not follow Collectibles forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.0):
Cold Key owner retrieved private keys of all the sold 'cold wallets' he produced and as he was in need because of gambling he stole all the funds.

Which (apart of obvious sad event for card buyers/owners) is a very problematic for the whole "collectibles" market, any coin/card producer now will be asked twice "how may I trust you?".

I was going through the thread and it was found shocking it's more about trading or buying something p2p than addiction and it proved humans can change.

Its unacceptable behavior and has already flag raised by the community members, even with the addiction still our character decides what we are about the pull-up, I had been in huge financial debt but paid all of them by selling the assets I own instead of turning them back because once the name lots we can't earn them back,

[uneng]

Anyway, stories like the one present on this thread show us how gambling addiction can become a serious problem involving a lot of people besides the addicted gambler himself. Sometimes the person is blind by his addiction that he will do anything and everything to continue wagering. In this case the person stole funds, and in some more extreme situations the person can even kill!

That he may start treating himself properly against this addiction and refunding all those people he scammed futurely.

I just understood what it means to win in gambling, namely to control yourself, when people can control themselves in gambling, that's where they already feel the victory, it doesn't mean that they have to get more money at the gambling table, people have to change their mindset like this , if addicts continue to be unable to control themselves then they will continue to do anything to continue playing at the gambling table no matter what crimes they make

You just nailed it! The most important thing is to be a winner in life, preserving mental and physical health, caring for finances and the people around. To be a winner in a game, while ignoring or going against all those other aspects is worthless, because that means an efemerous victory, which won't bring future postive consequences in life, but only suffering, regrets and pain.

[lionheart78]

What Yogg need is the support from the people around him. Once he is sober then he can rebuild his career and settle all the debts. People are not going to trust him anymore but at least he can take steps to make things right.

Definitely yogg needs the support of his relatives, friends, and families, gambling addiction is hard to overcome since it is a serious condition that has a significant impact on the person's life. I hope yogg can be able to overcome his addiction and set things straight. 

Yogg should have destroyed his copy of the private key so that he won't be tempted to steal the funds deposited at those addresses.  It is sad to think that yogg, being one of the most trusted people in this forum backstabbed the people who trusted him because of the said gambling addiction.

For the ones who do not follow Collectibles forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.0):
Cold Key owner retrieved private keys of all the sold 'cold wallets' he produced and as he was in need because of gambling he stole all the funds.

Which (apart of obvious sad event for card buyers/owners) is a very problematic for the whole "collectibles" market, any coin/card producer now will be asked twice "how may I trust you?".

I was going through the thread and it was found shocking it's more about trading or buying something p2p than addiction and it proved humans can change.

This incident should have been avoided if yogg destroyed his copy of the private keys of the sold items.

Its unacceptable behavior and has already flag raised by the community members, even with the addiction still our character decides what we are about the pull-up, I had been in huge financial debt but paid all of them by selling the assets I own instead of turning them back because once the name lots we can't earn them back,

That is what we called taking responsibility but I believe only a few people have such character.  Hopefully, yogg once his gambling addiction is treated shows this kind of character too.

[nakamura12]

This will prove that whatever you do that is bad or something can destroy a person's reputation which will make people think that the person is not to be trusted. If you are a project founder or the creator of it and got addicted yo gambling then you will end up stealing just like what happen to the person that OP talked about. Well, if you acquire the private keys in an auction then there is a possibility that the owner of it still have a copy or didn't delete it. I think this is what happen to the person who's funds got stolen.

[GxSTxV]

What happened is so unfortunate and worse than the money he stole from people and friends or having an addiction in gambling, the worst part is to betray your friends just because of some games that supposed to be only for fun and played with consideration just as consuming alcohol. He saved the cards keys for only one type of those card he is been selling which was so fortunate and wasn’t that huge amount of money because i believe the other cards where much valuable and more expensive and hopefully he didn’t save their keys to sweep the rest of them once again.
But anyway being a scammer i believe is more dangerous than gambling addiction because in both cases you will have choices to do, being a scammer is already bad and makes you a total d*ck, but having an addiction you still can be a very nice person and wouldn’t try to steal other people’s money no matter what and even asking and trying to fix that issue.
I hope our members in BTT learned another lesson to not trust such cards no matter how good and fun they looked

[pixie85]

What Yogg need is the support from the people around him. Once he is sober then he can rebuild his career and settle all the debts. People are not going to trust him anymore but at least he can take steps to make things right.

Definitely yogg needs the support of his relatives, friends, and families, gambling addiction is hard to overcome since it is a serious condition that has a significant impact on the person's life. I hope yogg can be able to overcome his addiction and set things straight. 

Yogg should have destroyed his copy of the private key so that he won't be tempted to steal the funds deposited at those addresses.  It is sad to think that yogg, being one of the most trusted people in this forum backstabbed the people who trusted him because of the said gambling addiction.

The problem is his malicious intent because he was supposed to destroy them and told the buyers that he did but it was a lie. I don't think that it's just addiction. Addiction leads to destruction of your own wealth. When it leads you to steal from others it makes you a criminal. He's not just another addict. He's a thief.


Since I follow the don't trust - verify rule, I'd never get caught up in this scam. I'd treat the item as a gadget, maybe an investment since they can go up in value.

Now it's a strange situation where on one hand these wallets were involved in a scam but on the other there won't be any more of them made so they could go up or down depending on the community's approach.

[Cling18]

This will prove that whatever you do that is bad or something can destroy a person's reputation which will make people think that the person is not to be trusted. If you are a project founder or the creator of it and got addicted yo gambling then you will end up stealing just like what happen to the person that OP talked about. Well, if you acquire the private keys in an auction then there is a possibility that the owner of it still have a copy or didn't delete it. I think this is what happen to the person who's funds got stolen.

I could say that gambling addiction can really ruin a person's reputation. It will be hard for the people around you to trust you because of your irresponsible gambling actions. They will always think that you'll steal and run away. If you have fallen for gambling addiction, it will be hard for you to gain the trust because of money matters.
Private keys are too important and we should keep them as hard as we can because scammers and thieves could be everywhere.

[nakamura12]

I could say that gambling addiction can really ruin a person's reputation. It will be hard for the people around you to trust you because of your irresponsible gambling actions. They will always think that you'll steal and run away. If you have fallen for gambling addiction, it will be hard for you to gain the trust because of money matters.
Private keys are too important and we should keep them as hard as we can because scammers and thieves could be everywhere.

It really is and that's why I said that being a gambling addict can ruin anyone's reputation and what you explained is what will ruin the reputation. Anyway, I believe that there are people who's reputation is the not ruin even though that person is gambling but not gambling addict. The one who's reputation will get ruined are those who are gambling addicts that are not responsible in gambling which will result in stealing money from the project or even from family.

[crzy]

This will prove that whatever you do that is bad or something can destroy a person's reputation which will make people think that the person is not to be trusted. If you are a project founder or the creator of it and got addicted yo gambling then you will end up stealing just like what happen to the person that OP talked about. Well, if you acquire the private keys in an auction then there is a possibility that the owner of it still have a copy or didn't delete it. I think this is what happen to the person who's funds got stolen.

This is the proof that those creators of collectibles still have the copy of the private keys and what happened here ruin the reputation or collectibles and for sure many will not trust this kind of investment anymore, collectibles will be on a bigger risk of losing its value. Addiction is not good at all, this is very unfortunate to the collectors of those rare items, probably they are affected as well.

[DoublerHunter]

For the ones who do not follow Collectibles forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.0):
Cold Key owner retrieved private keys of all the sold 'cold wallets' he produced and as he was in need because of gambling he stole all the funds.

Which (apart of obvious sad event for card buyers/owners) is a very problematic for the whole "collectibles" market, any coin/card producer now will be asked twice "how may I trust you?".

^It takes time for me to read all comments and posts on that thread which seems cold storage like this should not be trusted. So possible, those other paper wallets in collectible sections should not be trusted, I am right? So we are here, another person who has been addicted to gambling and stole a lot of money just because of gambling which he let ruin his reputation here in the forum because of gambling. From the start, yogg probably knows this, he fucked up his account's reputation altogether his business here in the forum. The reason here is we have to control ourselves in gambling not to become addicted because when are there, it is very easy to make crimes.

[Slow death]

addiction is something that corrupts even the person who considered himself as honest as possible, that's why even when a person is addicted we can't keep condemning him, judging as if we were immune to addiction, anyone can become addicted to games It's bad luck, when a person is addicted everyone around that person needs to be patient, forgive the addicted person's actions and then provide emotional support to the addict. I already had an addicted relative, he even took our goods and went to sell without us knowing to support the addiction and then disappeared because he was afraid and ashamed to return home

gambling addicts are worse than alcohol addicts, this is because gambling addicts always believe that when they gamble they will be luckier and will win a lot of money, when they lose they come back to believing that they need to gamble more because luck will be with them. them and it will be different