Crypto should be banned or soon to be.

[Debilsumda]

Or at least these sites with the whole database from people personal and "secret private keys and mnemonics". All the people who made them are scammers, even ian coleman shouldn't exist in its form. How is private when all people keys, adresses and all are publicly exposed in the freakin open web? No wonder why so many people got scammed and this is utter sh.t. I absolutely mean it while im trying to find my long lost adress before someone else do it. Even if you think a bit more out of the box you can get much more relevant adresses in ian coleman,forget all other databases exposed publicly. Crypto isn't same anymore, just throw an eye on the coleman wsite traffic between 2020 and mid of 2022...all these dorment accounts didn't wake up, they were scammed, by who its obvious. Prove me wrong that holding crypto is secure these days.

[Helena Yu]

Crypto aka shitcoins should be banned, Bitcoin must not.

This depends a little bit if all words are independent. If yes the will be 24! = 620.448.401.733.239.439.360.000 permutations of the words. Assuming that you computer can check 1 billion permutations per second (which is is way too optimistic as this would assume that a signature / public key could be computed within one clock cycle which he can't) this would mean that your computer still would need 620.448.401.733.239 seconds which is 19674289 (19.6 million) years as the absolut minor / lower bound. This estimation however does not take into account technological breakthroughs in computing hardware which could very well happen in that time frame (:

[pawel7777]

Nice rant OP, but can you be a bit clearer on what you mean specifically? Have you fallen a victim to the fake Ian Coleman Bip 39 generator scam, discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5425314.0

Bitcoin is and never was a safe space. If you don't like the risk just stick to regulated centralised exchanges with client deposits insurance (they won't be insured with FDIC or FSCS though afaik).

And yes, we've been hearing about the crypto being banned "soon" since the beginning. Still waiting...

[LoyceMobile]

even ian coleman shouldn't exist in its form.

You've managed to post an amazing amount of BS in just a day. None of it even deserves a response.

[Debilsumda]

Crypto aka shitcoins should be banned, Bitcoin must not.

This depends a little bit if all words are independent. If yes the will be 24! = 620.448.401.733.239.439.360.000 permutations of the words. Assuming that you computer can check 1 billion permutations per second (which is is way too optimistic as this would assume that a signature / public key could be computed within one clock cycle which he can't) this would mean that your computer still would need 620.448.401.733.239 seconds which is 19674289 (19.6 million) years as the absolut minor / lower bound. This estimation however does not take into account technological breakthroughs in computing hardware which could very well happen in that time frame (:

But still, you can find everyone privkey in the open web with its balance, overall everything, how's this private way of keeping funds?
The second i find me account, will definitely withdrawal all, and make a lawsuit towards every owner of these wsites containing peoples private information. Only if someone didn't scam me before that and we gon read, "another crypto whale woke up or sum bs like this".

[mindrust]

Crypto aka shitcoins should be banned, Bitcoin must not.

This depends a little bit if all words are independent. If yes the will be 24! = 620.448.401.733.239.439.360.000 permutations of the words. Assuming that you computer can check 1 billion permutations per second (which is is way too optimistic as this would assume that a signature / public key could be computed within one clock cycle which he can't) this would mean that your computer still would need 620.448.401.733.239 seconds which is 19674289 (19.6 million) years as the absolut minor / lower bound. This estimation however does not take into account technological breakthroughs in computing hardware which could very well happen in that time frame (:

Nobody's banning anything. Shitcoins deserve to survive as much as bitcoin. In fact some shitcoins are as good as bitcoin, if not more. They aren't many but there are a few. And once you ban every shitcoin in existence you are also banning the new tech from emerging. Bitcoin don't need that kind of artificial monopoly. Bitcoin is and will always be the best as long as it updates itself with the new tech as it did before with segwit.

[decodx]

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Prove me wrong that holding crypto is secure these days.

WTF are you talking about? Can you give an example of a website that has a database containing people's private keys and mnemonics?

I could prove you wrong with statistics and data, but why bother? It's obvious that you're unwilling do accept any form of evidence unless it confirms your own biases. I guess it depends on your personal perspective, but if you're looking for complete security, you might as well be looking for a unicorn riding a leprechaun.

[Debilsumda]

even ian coleman shouldn't exist in its form.

You've managed to post an amazing amount of BS in just a day. None of it even deserves a response.

 I did expect you to not be silent, i will simply ignore you and let you enjoy whatever you done or didnt, can't prove anything towards you, but trust me, once i recover my funds, because now its way too early while my funds lay around the web and in ur list u made. You need to understand that u done is brilliant but not everything that's brilliant is good deed.

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Prove me wrong that holding crypto is secure these days.

WTF are you talking about? Can you give an example of a website that has a database containing people's private keys and mnemonics?

I could prove you wrong with statistics and data, but why bother? It's obvious that you're unwilling do accept any form of evidence unless it confirms your own biases. I guess it depends on your personal perspective, but if you're looking for complete security, you might as well be looking for a unicorn riding a leprechaun.

Man there are atleast 10 big sites with all the people infos, loyce is one, keys.lol or i did forget every site that exist, holding everything whats needed to lost all u have

Crypto aka shitcoins should be banned, Bitcoin must not.

This depends a little bit if all words are independent. If yes the will be 24! = 620.448.401.733.239.439.360.000 permutations of the words. Assuming that you computer can check 1 billion permutations per second (which is is way too optimistic as this would assume that a signature / public key could be computed within one clock cycle which he can't) this would mean that your computer still would need 620.448.401.733.239 seconds which is 19674289 (19.6 million) years as the absolut minor / lower bound. This estimation however does not take into account technological breakthroughs in computing hardware which could very well happen in that time frame (:

Nobody's banning anything. Shitcoins deserve to survive as much as bitcoin. In fact some shitcoins are as good as bitcoin, if not more. They aren't many but there are a few. And once you ban every shitcoin in existence you are also banning the new tech from emerging. Bitcoin don't need that kind of artificial monopoly. Bitcoin is and will always be the best as long as it updates itself with the new tech as it did before with segwit.

I know it won't be banned, every wealthy person holds crypto but in different ways. Im not against crypto don't get me wrong. Its eko friendly and more compact also its exquisite to have it, just these wsite containing private information should be gone and owners answer in front of temida.

[bittraffic]

Obviously, he doesn't know much about crypto and blockchain. It's funny that because the ledger is available to the public means there will be lots of users gonna be scammed or hacked.

You should know that countries banning BTC will just be left behind when all other countries are heading to digital currency. Eventually, the CBDC may actually allow BTC in their platform. There is no banning that will happen.

[Debilsumda]

Obviously, he doesn't know much about crypto and blockchain. It's funny that because the ledger is available to the public means there will be lots of users gonna be scammed or hacked.

You should know that countries banning BTC will just be left behind when all other countries are heading to digital currency. Eventually, the CBDC may actually allow BTC in their platform. There is no banning that will happen.

I said it wrong okay i understand, not the crypto should be banned, but all wsites containing all the information from people private keys. Its hard to find an adress information in them, but odds are  way too big, for them to exist. Like i said, check the wayback machine, and see how much simple site like the ian coleman tool, is used between 2020 and 2022.

And you're so fast to judge who knows and who dont, im for crypto to be legal tender since i got involved in it, before even satoshi accepted a coin in return 50+.

[ilovealtcoins]

Crypto aka shitcoins should be banned, Bitcoin must not.

This depends a little bit if all words are independent. If yes the will be 24! = 620.448.401.733.239.439.360.000 permutations of the words. Assuming that you computer can check 1 billion permutations per second (which is is way too optimistic as this would assume that a signature / public key could be computed within one clock cycle which he can't) this would mean that your computer still would need 620.448.401.733.239 seconds which is 19674289 (19.6 million) years as the absolut minor / lower bound. This estimation however does not take into account technological breakthroughs in computing hardware which could very well happen in that time frame (:

Nobody's banning anything. Shitcoins deserve to survive as much as bitcoin. In fact some shitcoins are as good as bitcoin, if not more. They aren't many but there are a few. And once you ban every shitcoin in existence you are also banning the new tech from emerging. Bitcoin don't need that kind of artificial monopoly. Bitcoin is and will always be the best as long as it updates itself with the new tech as it did before with segwit.

No altcoin can be as good as bitcoin, but there is no reason to ban altcoins. Altcoins are not as good as bitcoin, but crypto is an investment market and altcoins offer much better returns than bitcoin. Only people who don't profit from altcoins support banning them, they are just as jealous as the bitcoin haters out there.

[decodx]

WTF are you talking about? Can you give an example of a website that has a database containing people's private keys and mnemonics?

I could prove you wrong with statistics and data, but why bother? It's obvious that you're unwilling do accept any form of evidence unless it confirms your own biases. I guess it depends on your personal perspective, but if you're looking for complete security, you might as well be looking for a unicorn riding a leprechaun.

Man there are atleast 10 big sites with all the people infos, loyce is one, keys.lol or i did forget every site that exist, holding everything whats needed to lost all u have

So you're saying that my private key was published somewhere on the Internet? OK, then prove it! Show me where my private key is published.

[franky1]

But still, you can find everyone privkey in the open web with its balance, overall everything, how's this private way of keeping funds?

nope. you are mis-interpretting things again

do you want to learn or just rant?

ill help you learn some stuff. but it seems you might just be in a mood to rant today

[Debilsumda]

Listen lads, i dont vouch crypto to be banned. My intentions are against the bunch of wsites and their creators to be held in court and state a hard proof that they didnt touched a single dorment or not dorment adress. You can't tell me that these people didnt steal at least a coin from couple adresses, even coin is little, some im sure stole huge amounts from these aka dorment accounts who suddenly woke up. No matter active or not its not right.

WTF are you talking about? Can you give an example of a website that has a database containing people's private keys and mnemonics?

I could prove you wrong with statistics and data, but why bother? It's obvious that you're unwilling do accept any form of evidence unless it confirms your own biases. I guess it depends on your personal perspective, but if you're looking for complete security, you might as well be looking for a unicorn riding a leprechaun.

Man there are atleast 10 big sites with all the people infos, loyce is one, keys.lol or i did forget every site that exist, holding everything whats needed to lost all u have

So you're saying that my private key was published somewhere on the Internet? OK, then prove it! Show me where my private key is published.

https://keys.lol
https://allprivatekeys.com/
https://privatekeys.pw/
https://privatekeyfinder.io/private-keys/

Just a couple.

[franky1]

those websites are not what you think

read the first link

How does this work?

A private key is basically just a number between 1 and 2²⁵⁶. This website generates keys for all of those numbers, spread out over pages of 128 keys each.

This website doesn't actually have a database of all private keys, that would take an impossible amount of disk space. Instead, keys are procedurally generated on the fly when a page is opened. The page number is used to calculate which keys should be on that page.

using math you should be able to work out how many possible private keys there could ever be

and to check them all. how much time it would take

its like
115,792,089,237,316,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

imagine you tried 1million a second checks
115,792,089,237,316,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
seconds to perform

1,929,868,153,955,270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   minute
32,164,469,232,587,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   hour
1,340,186,218,024,490,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   day
3,671,743,063,080,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   year
104,906,944,659,451,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   35 years
26,226,736,164,862,900,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   4 descendant generations

yep in 140 year there are still
26,226,736,164,862,900,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   
combinations you have not tried

try to realise how big that number is..
trying ONE million combinations every second for 1000 years
still leaves you with
3,671,743,063,080,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
that you have not tried

trying to find your random number in that number is going to take anyone more then they can imagine

there is soo much entropy/ breadth of possibilities its not simply finding a pin in a haystack its finding a specific grain of carbon that could be on any planet in the universe

there are only 43million used addresses

meaning 1 address is randomly somewhere in
2,666,340,940,292,410,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
possible private keys

[Debilsumda]

But still, you can find everyone privkey in the open web with its balance, overall everything, how's this private way of keeping funds?

nope. you are mis-interpretting things again

do you want to learn or just rant?

ill help you learn some stuff. but it seems you might just be in a mood to rant today

Im always up for learning, but im just disturbed how people ignore this fact that you can easily get super rich from someone else's work. Forget my adress, i will find it this way even tho im vouching against it, its my way to regain it. But nowadays you don't need to be experienced hacker to steal from people.

[DanWalker]

Crypto aka shitcoins should be banned, Bitcoin must not.

This depends a little bit if all words are independent. If yes the will be 24! = 620.448.401.733.239.439.360.000 permutations of the words. Assuming that you computer can check 1 billion permutations per second (which is is way too optimistic as this would assume that a signature / public key could be computed within one clock cycle which he can't) this would mean that your computer still would need 620.448.401.733.239 seconds which is 19674289 (19.6 million) years as the absolut minor / lower bound. This estimation however does not take into account technological breakthroughs in computing hardware which could very well happen in that time frame (:

This is the crypto market, and if bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency, it shouldn't be at the top of the ratings.
Bitcoin is also a cryptocurrency, the best cryptocurrency. Bitcoin would still work without altcoins, but bitcoin's value would never be what it is today. Bitcoin alone cannot create a market, and without altcoins, many people still don't know about bitcoin.
If you are here just to use bitcoin as a means of payment, or currency, then you don't need altcoins. But if you are here for profit like others, then altcoins are needed to increase bitcoin prices.

[Debilsumda]

those websites are not what you think

read the first link

How does this work?

A private key is basically just a number between 1 and 2²⁵⁶. This website generates keys for all of those numbers, spread out over pages of 128 keys each.

This website doesn't actually have a database of all private keys, that would take an impossible amount of disk space. Instead, keys are procedurally generated on the fly when a page is opened. The page number is used to calculate which keys should be on that page.

using math you should be able to work out how many possible private keys there could ever be

and to check them all. how much time it would take

its like
115,792,089,237,316,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

imagine you tried 1million a second checks
115,792,089,237,316,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
seconds to perform

1,929,868,153,955,270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   minute
32,164,469,232,587,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   hour
1,340,186,218,024,490,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   day
3,671,743,063,080,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   year
104,906,944,659,451,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   35 years
26,226,736,164,862,900,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   4 descendant generations

yep in 140 year there are still
26,226,736,164,862,900,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000   
combinations you have not tried

try to realise how big that number is..

trying to find your random number in that number is going to take anyone more then they can imagine

there is soo much entropy/ breadth of possibilities its not simply finding a pin in a haystack its finding a specific grain of carbon that could be on any planet in the universe

But you're looking for a single adress privkey, even if it takes you 10 years to find it, gonna be worthy, i can imagine that some even can use couple machines to browse in those wsites searching for a single adress, you need to find 1 with balance inside, also who gave the rights to loyce for example to list all these information with balances and public keys in it? Okay its not the private, but still is enough to give someone a lead, also im sure he's affiliated with one if those sites. It's just not right, yes you can see it in blockchain but its different when someone made a whole list arranged by balance and alphabetically.

[franky1]

those websites dont work as you think

what it does is have numbers from 1 to 128 on page 1
by you picking a "page number" its simply doing page number *128
and displaying the number, and then converting it to a private then a public

the website is not storing

its not checking prior to you deciding on a page number
its just displaying a random number of a page of YOUR choosing
converting it and then checking


there is no hack there is no storage. its just plain math


you're trying to find a specific grain of carbon in all the carbon of the universe

[Debilsumda]

those websites dont work as you think

what it does is have numbers from 1 to 128 on page 1
by you picking a "page number" its simply doing page number *128
and displaying the number, and then converting it to a private then a public

the website is not storing

its not checking prior to you deciding on a page number
its just displaying a random number of a page of YOUR choosing
converting it and then checking


there is no hack there is no storage. its just plain math


you're trying to find a specific grain of carbon in all the carbon of the universe

On some you can jump on different pages, other scan automatically, yes chance is little, but in this case imagine someone with a whole farm of 100 trash phones scaning constantly, tell me the result is the same like guessing the private key alone? I think little chance in case like this turns to enormous.

Also the fact that loyce answer was ad hominem is pure example that it isn't completely like you described it.

Also im curious whats the mystery behind the huge traffic on sites like this still will add ian coleman tool, between 2020 and 2022? How come sleeping adresess got drained with huge amounts in the span of couple months?