Unstoppable wallet {User experiences}

[Husires]

Since the main topic is no longer active (Unstoppable Wallet,) I decided to create this topic to encourage members to download this wallet, conduct discussions about it, and then build on it. It is recommended instead of closed-source and poorly programmed wallets, which are often the first choice for everyone who wants to download a multi-crypto wallet.

Links:

• URL: https://unstoppable.money/
• Github: https://github.com/horizontalsystems
• Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/horizontal_systems/unstoppable-wallet-ios
• APP store: https://apps.apple.com/app/bank-bitcoin-wallet/id1447619907?ls=1
• Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.horizontalsystems.bankwallet

Features:

• Non Custodial: Have exclusive control over funds without relying on a custodian entity.
• Multi Wallet: Safely manage multiple wallets capable of storing any token in a single app.
• TOR Enabled: Keep the context of your connection private even from your internet provider.
• Genuinely Private: There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers.
• DeFi Enabled: Swap assets, stake assets and interact with any DeFi service via WalletConnect.
• Action Alerts: Be among the first to react to price-impacting market events. Coming soon!

YouTube Links:

• Unstoppable - Multi-Chain Wallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2CzFVjksA
• Bitcoin Wallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gT11AgG_s0
• Monitoring Wallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii4j-Iv7eyY

Please reply only after downloading and use that wallet.
You can email the team if there are any bugs or future recommendations.

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[Pmalek]

I downloaded and installed the wallet a few months ago to see what all the fuss was about.
I remember that it gives you a choice on the length of your seed. You can use any of the standard number or words from 12 to 24. There is a button to enable and disable TOR and seeds can be extended with passphrases.

I didn't like that you can skip the seed backup step because lazy people can lose their money that way. And then they will blame Bitcoin, Unstoppable wallet, the world, and their mothers for making them the way they are. However, before you can generate a new BTC address to receive coins, the software asks you to backup your seed. I didn't check how this works exactly, but I am guessing the words will be displayed to you and you will have to prove you wrote them down by entering them back into the software.

Some other things I noticed is long sync times with the servers. I only tried it with bitcoin and it took several minutes to sync. If I was using this as a multicurrency wallet with 5 or 10 different coins, where each new coin requires 5-10 mins of syncing, it becomes a problem for people with slow internet and old phones.

The wallet doesn't support the same number of alts as closed-source clients. It can happen that the coin or token you want to use this wallet with isn't supported. The official website doesn't mention which assets are supported and it really should.

[DaveF]

I was trying to replace my current multicoin wallet with it a while ago and kept running into issues.
1) Some issues with adding alts:




But it does not say what to use. Just that this one does not work.

2) If there is a way, I could not find it to have more then 1 account per coin. Might just be a Dave thing but I have BTC1 and BTC 2 and BTC 3 along with LTC 1 and LTC 2 and so on all on my phone. All small amounts since it's a hot wallet but it helps with the disaster I call accounting. (mining goes here, raffles go there, other sales go someplace else and so on)

3) As others have mentioned it can be slow.

Not a bad wallet if it works for you, but since it did not work for me I passed. But in the little time I had it that is what I noticed. I just tried again when I saw this post and the screen shots for the can't add just came from now so it's still an issue.

-Dave

[Pmalek]

I was trying to replace my current multicoin wallet with it a while ago and kept running into issues.

Which multicoin wallet are you currently using? Just for the record.

Maybe Dogecoin isn't even supported yet.
Someone asked if DOGE was supported by Unstoppable two years ago, and according to reddit it wasn't at the time. And looking at your picture, I don't see a enable/disable switch next to DOGE. The same type of switch that is visible for DOLA, DORA, and the other alts there.

[DaveF]

I was trying to replace my current multicoin wallet with it a while ago and kept running into issues.

Which multicoin wallet are you currently using? Just for the record.

Maybe Dogecoin isn't even supported yet.
Someone asked if DOGE was supported by Unstoppable two years ago, and according to reddit it wasn't at the time. And looking at your picture, I don't see a enable/disable switch next to DOGE. The same type of switch that is visible for DOLA, DORA, and the other alts there.

I am using Coinomi [yes I know all the issues with it but at the moment even with the increase in crypto prices over the last week it has a whopping $202 in it] the time and effort and everything else to either use separate wallets for all the coins is just not worth it for the amounts involved in a hot insecure wallet. Because ANY wallet on a phone is hot and not at all secure.

As for it not being supported, if that is the case then don't display the option to add it. I can see that being an issue as people try different things to see if they can get it to work before they give up and search for help so now they have created a bunch of wallets with a bunch of seeds for no reason.

-Dave

[Pmalek]

I am using Coinomi [yes I know all the issues with it but at the moment even with the increase in crypto prices over the last week it has a whopping $202 in it] the time and effort and everything else to either use separate wallets for all the coins is just not worth it for the amounts involved in a hot insecure wallet.

The vulnerabilities with Coinomi only concerned the desktop version of the software. Allegedly, of course. No one can verify or check anything anyway. Assuming you mean the issue with seeds ending up on Google servers for spellchecking. 

As for it not being supported, if that is the case then don't display the option to add it.

I was just guessing that could be the reason. Since you still have it installed on your phone, can you try with Tron or USDT over Tron? I tested that a few moths ago when I downloaded the wallet, but I don't remember if there was an error message like on your end or if I just couldn't find those assets listed.

[dkbit98]

Please reply only after downloading and use that wallet.

I download and used Unstoppable wallet for some time and it works fine for me.
For someone who is not using bunch of shitcoins and likes privacy this is very good option for mobile wallet, but it can be improved in many areas and they should add list of supported coins.

Not a bad wallet if it works for you, but since it did not work for me I passed. But in the little time I had it that is what I noticed. I just tried again when I saw this post and the screen shots for the can't add just came from now so it's still an issue.

AtomicDEX.io might be one more alternative you can use for dogecoin, it also supports Bitcoin and other shitcoins, and you can even exchange coins if there is enough volume.
I don't like that for Bitcoin they are still using old style addresses starting with 1, and wallet is still in beta phase, but it works fine.
Probably best option for multicoin wallet is combination with some hardware wallets, but I saw other wallet called Stack also supports doge.

I am using Coinomi

Other than being closed source, I don't know last time Coinomi developers updated their desktop wallet, not sure if similar situation is with their mobile app.
 

[DaveF]

I was just guessing that could be the reason. Since you still have it installed on your phone, can you try with Tron or USDT over Tron? I tested that a few moths ago when I downloaded the wallet, but I don't remember if there was an error message like on your end or if I just couldn't find those assets listed.

Same error as doge, can't add with 12 word wallet.

AtomicDEX.io might be one more alternative you can use for dogecoin, it also supports Bitcoin and other shitcoins, and you can even exchange coins if there is enough volume.
I don't like that for Bitcoin they are still using old style addresses starting with 1, and wallet is still in beta phase, but it works fine.
Probably best option for multicoin wallet is combination with some hardware wallets, but I saw other wallet called Stack also supports doge.

There are a couple of options for multicoin wallets, each have their own good and bad things. Although I don't like them in general, for a few dollars of coins they
work well enough. As I said, storing real amounts in a hot wallet is just asking for trouble. I tried atomicDEX.io it did work with no issues, didn't do something I needed, don't remember what. But no problems with it not working.

Other than being closed source, I don't know last time Coinomi developers updated their desktop wallet, not sure if similar situation is with their mobile app.

March of 2022.

-Dave

[libert19]

Meh, I dislike it, been waiting 10 mins just for it to finish initial sync, why this wait when other wallets show the amounts almost instaneously?

I don't doubt that it's secure than closed-source wallets but you could learn few things from them. Look at this data usage, it's just Bitcoin and ethereum, from play store review I gather zcash sync takes 3 gb.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blobaf23782819ad2983.jpeg

[Pmalek]

Look at this data usage, it's just Bitcoin and ethereum, from play store review I gather zcash sync takes 3 gb.

The size of the apk file is about 70 MB. So if you use this wallet for a bunch of altcoins, you might soon run out of internal storage on your phone. Having to download 3 GB on my phone to work with just one asset is far from optimal. Especially if we consider how many regions still don't have quality and affordable mobile data tech. Zcash has a relatively big block size plus a block time of just over 1 minute. That could be the reason for the storage requirements. Still, Unstoppable Wallet isn't exactly a light client. 

[gunhell16]

Meh, I dislike it, been waiting 10 mins just for it to finish initial sync, why this wait when other wallets show the amounts almost instaneously?

I don't doubt that it's secure than closed-source wallets but you could learn few things from them. Look at this data usage, it's just Bitcoin and ethereum, from play store review I gather zcash sync takes 3 gb.

https://i.imgur.com/ryAndbn.jpg

I check the data usage and for me I don't like it to use this app wallet. Because I also tried to downloaded it at my moblie device,
And when I checked the apps, the design and interface of the platform was definitely nice and cool. But the only thing problems
in which I don't like for this apps is that it consume a lot space of my phone device which can cause to make slow of phone system,

I don't know to others here who tried if they also notice what I had noticed.

[libert19]

Meh, I dislike it, been waiting 10 mins just for it to finish initial sync, why this wait when other wallets show the amounts almost instaneously?

I don't doubt that it's secure than closed-source wallets but you could learn few things from them. Look at this data usage, it's just Bitcoin and ethereum, from play store review I gather zcash sync takes 3 gb.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob5a0d59016fbda92c.jpeg

As for 3GB usage for Zcash, it's because it's privacy coin where the wallet have to download all block and check whether any transaction belong to the user.

It's supported on coinomi too, you can check the usage in above screenshot.

[libert19]

That's true. But Coinomi doesn't mention their wallet perform SPV and Coinomi isn't designed with privacy in mind, while Unstoppable wallet does.

Thank you, I just learned what SPV means.

[DaveF]

That's true. But Coinomi doesn't mention their wallet perform SPV and Coinomi isn't designed with privacy in mind, while Unstoppable wallet does.

On the flip side you can easily, for BTC, have Coinomi use your own electrumx server instead of theirs.
Everything is a bit of give and take.

I will still, keep saying this although others might disagree. ANY wallet on your phone is neither secure or private. Unless you are using a custom Android build that shuts down all the phone home stuff.
Since you can't do that at all with an iPhone, it's pointless to even think that anything you do on one cannot be monitored.

-Dave

[ABCbits]

That's true. But Coinomi doesn't mention their wallet perform SPV and Coinomi isn't designed with privacy in mind, while Unstoppable wallet does.

On the flip side you can easily, for BTC, have Coinomi use your own electrumx server instead of theirs.
Everything is a bit of give and take.

That's true. I didn't mention it since people who bother setup their own ElectrumX is less likely to use closed source wallet.

I will still, keep saying this although others might disagree. ANY wallet on your phone is neither secure or private. Unless you are using a custom Android build that shuts down all the phone home stuff.

True, although it comes down to how much privacy/security people want. I expect some people would be fine with VPN and SPV wallet.

[PrivacyG]

I probably have a not so relatable experience with you guys.  Because many of you have a normal phone with default apps and download stuff through the default Google or Apple app store.  But I will share my experience anyway

You can not imagine how thankful I am for Unstoppable Wallet developers doing their job.  I can not be thankful enough for the existence of this application.

I own a de Googled Android phone.  My only app store is F-Droid, which only publishes fully Open Source applications.  Yes.  This means a LOT of the widely used applications can not be downloaded at all.  Some applications replacing original apps for widely known services are very badly made.  Twitter clients replacing the original app for example.  Reddit clients too.  But I already got used to it.  Only few people care about Open Source stuff.  So, most of it is Closed Source.  So, this means you get shitty apps because nobody really develops them so it would overload the developers if they wanted to make everything neatly working with few to no bugs and glitches.

You can imagine F Droid excludes over 99 percent of the Cryptocurrency Wallets for Android.  Up until Unstoppable came to existence, this meant I could not use pretty much any Cryptocurrency besides Bitcoin (and even for Bitcoin, the available options were very lacking) from my phone.  Then the Wallets available for Bitcoin were very lacking too.  Annoying as fuck.

Then Unstoppable Wallet came to existence.  I used to reload the F-Droid repo every week and look for a new Wallet but never expected this coming.  Unstoppable Wallet is like the Wallet I would have made if I were a Wallet developer.  You get Open Source.  You get Tor.  You get multiple Cryptocurrencies.  Sweet User Interface.  Non Custodial.  Even price tickers.  TimeLock.  Themes.  Multiple base currencies.  SWAPS!  OH MY GOD!  You can not comprehend how happy I am with it.

I wish it just showed more TX information.  Fee and Satoshi per vByte, number of Confirmations with a check mark instead of just a Confirmed / Unconfirmed status with no counting of Confirmations.  Inputs, Outputs and maybe other stuff.  Currently, the only way you can see more information is by going to a Block Explorer yourself which to me makes no sense if you are running Unstoppable through Tor and want Privacy.

I do not know yet how the Tor works on it but if it does not change identity by default for every account and transaction checked, which I imagine is not how Tor works right now on the Wallet, then I wish they added this option.  If the same identity is used for all accounts, it means all information can be connected to one identity.

My experience with Unstoppable Wallet is mostly extremely positive.  It lacks a few things here and there.  But I see improvements every update.  All the issues I had with it were solved within one to three updates.

I didn't like that you can skip the seed backup step because lazy people can lose their money that way.

I agree.  I am typically not THAT lazy to not care about backing up my Seed Phrase but now that you mentioned it, it is definitely an issue.  I still do not have my Seed Phrase backed up because I forget about it every time.  I believe all Wallets should have mandatory Seed Backup before you get to use it.  This is not only a preventive measure but also imposes a good education.  When the user downloads a Wallet the second time, they should already know they need a piece of clear paper and a pen.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

[Pmalek]

I own a de Googled Android phone.  My only app store is F-Droid, which only publishes fully Open Source applications.  Yes.  This means a LOT of the widely used applications can not be downloaded at all.

You can also download the APK file of Unstoppable Wallet from GitHub. I assume that would work even on your deGoogled phone. Or you can get it using a desktop machine and transfer it to your phone through cable, Bluetooth, or whatever.    

Some applications replacing original apps for widely known services are very badly made.  Twitter clients replacing the original app for example.  Reddit clients too.  But I already got used to it.

Firefox is open-source. You could access your Twitter and Reddit accounts using Firefox without any app by just using the browser. But I am guessing your problem is with these platforms and not in the way you access them.

I wish it just showed more TX information.  Fee and Satoshi per vByte, number of Confirmations with a check mark instead of just a Confirmed / Unconfirmed status with no counting of Confirmations.  Inputs, Outputs and maybe other stuff.

Does the status of the transaction change to confirmed after the 1st block confirmation your transaction gets or does the app wait for 2, 3, or maybe more? Would be great if the numbers could be adjusted through the settings. At least then you would know the minimum number of confirmations the transaction has.

Currently, the only way you can see more information is by going to a Block Explorer yourself which to me makes no sense if you are running Unstoppable through Tor and want Privacy.

Use a blockchain explorer that works through TOR. I think blockchair does, but I am not sure.

I agree.  I am typically not THAT lazy to not care about backing up my Seed Phrase but now that you mentioned it, it is definitely an issue.  I still do not have my Seed Phrase backed up because I forget about it every time.  I believe all Wallets should have mandatory Seed Backup before you get to use it.  This is not only a preventive measure but also imposes a good education.  When the user downloads a Wallet the second time, they should already know they need a piece of clear paper and a pen.

That means you can even skip and ignore the warnings when you try to generate a new BTC address. I remember they ask you to make a backup first, but since you have avoided it and still used your wallet for transactions, they obviously don't ask you to reenter the words as proof they are backed up.

[dkbit98]

I own a de Googled Android phone.  My only app store is F-Droid, which only publishes fully Open Source applications.

You can also use open source AuroraStore if you want to use some apps that are not open source, and there are good alternatives for F-Droid as well, like IzzyOnDroid and Droid-ify that have more apps.
Good option is to install apps directly from github source, it can be set up to auto-update as well with some workarounds, and that way you can install most Bitcoin wallets.

Then the Wallets available for Bitcoin were very lacking too.  Annoying as fuck.

I don't know what degoogled phone you own, but Pixels with GrapheneOS work almost with everything, they even have imitation of all google services.

My experience with Unstoppable Wallet is mostly extremely positive.  It lacks a few things here and there.  But I see improvements every update.  All the issues I had with it were solved within one to three updates.

It's important to mention that Unstoppable wallet is audited several times, and WalletScrutiny verified it can be reproduced from open source code.
Good thing is that I see new wallets are coming out that following similar path, and competition is always good to have.

[PrivacyG]

You can also download the APK file of Unstoppable Wallet from GitHub.

Guess I did not explain properly.  I meant that F-Droid only has a few Wallets for Cryptocurrencies so there are not many options you get.  But Unstoppable Wallet is on there and that is amazing!  For example.  I just opened up F-Droid and searched for Cryptocurrency Wallets.  The results are as following,

Unstoppable Wallet (updated within last month) (supports multiple Cryptocurrencies)
Bitcoin Wallet (updated a month ago) (only for Bitcoin)
Green Blockstream Wallet (updated almost 6 months ago) (multiple Cryptocurrencies)

These are all the options I have.  There are a few more but I would not touch a Wallet that has last been updated more than half an year ago.

Does the status of the transaction change to confirmed after the 1st block confirmation your transaction gets or does the app wait for 2, 3, or maybe more? Would be great if the numbers could be adjusted through the settings. At least then you would know the minimum number of confirmations the transaction has.

I believe the confirmation status changes to Confirmed after the third block confirmation.  Your suggestion would be great indeed.

That means you can even skip and ignore the warnings when you try to generate a new BTC address. I remember they ask you to make a backup first, but since you have avoided it and still used your wallet for transactions, they obviously don't ask you to reenter the words as proof they are backed up.

You know what!  I created a new account to test this out and you are right!  I can not even get a Receiving Address unless I back up my Seed Phrase.  Yet, I can use another Wallet I already have.  Does this mean I have already done the Backup someday?  Now I am so confused!

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You can also use open source AuroraStore if you want to use some apps that are not open source, and there are good alternatives for F-Droid as well, like IzzyOnDroid and Droid-ify that have more apps.

I chose not to install Closed Source applications on my phone.  I did test Aurora Store before and it works just perfect for some body who wants just to move away from Google.  IzzyOnDroid and Droid-ify, I have no idea about.  Will have to check them out.

I don't know what degoogled phone you own, but Pixels with GrapheneOS work almost with everything, they even have imitation of all google services.

The issue is not about having or not having GS or replacements for the Services installed.  It is that Open Source is not a very demanded type of software today.  So if I want an actually good Wallet, I have little options.  How many actually useful and good Open Source Bitcoin Wallets are there?  Count Mycelium and Unstoppable and you got to about half of the truly decent ones already.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

[ABCbits]

My experience with Unstoppable Wallet is mostly extremely positive.  It lacks a few things here and there.  But I see improvements every update.  All the issues I had with it were solved within one to three updates.

Since you have serious privacy concern, i'd like to mention it Unstoppable wallet currently use BIP37 to obtain data from full node which is vulnerable to deanonymization[1].

How many actually useful and good Open Source Bitcoin Wallets are there?  Count Mycelium and Unstoppable and you got to about half of the truly decent ones already.

IMO Samourai[2] is also decent option, although in past it has some controversy. Electrum is good option if you don't care about it's dated UI.


[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-ios/issues/3984
[2] https://samouraiwallet.com/download/fdroid