Unstoppable wallet {User experiences}

[DaveF]

You can also download the APK file of Unstoppable Wallet from GitHub.

Guess I did not explain properly.  I meant that F-Droid only has a few Wallets for Cryptocurrencies so there are not many options you get.  But Unstoppable Wallet is on there and that is amazing!  For example.  I just opened up F-Droid and searched for Cryptocurrency Wallets.  The results are as following,

Unstoppable Wallet (updated within last month) (supports multiple Cryptocurrencies)
Bitcoin Wallet (updated a month ago) (only for Bitcoin)
Green Blockstream Wallet (updated almost 6 months ago) (multiple Cryptocurrencies)

These are all the options I have.  There are a few more but I would not touch a Wallet that has last been updated more than half an year ago.

Why? If there are no issues or bugs there is no reason for them to push a new build.

Outside of that if you are really concerned about privacy and security you are probably better pulling the APK from developers site, checksuming it and verifying the signatures and installing it, or going one step past there compiling it yourself.

And, obviously as others have said they are missing a lot of wallets that are open source (electrum)

Until they get some of the more popular alts added, and make some other changes, I don't think they are going to gain much traction.

-Dave

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[libert19]

Some applications replacing original apps for widely known services are very badly made.  Twitter clients replacing the original app for example.  Reddit clients too.  

Have you tried Harpy for Twitter? (however, it may come an end due to this) and Infinity for Reddit?

There are more alternatives to these two and to almost all popular services.

1) https://github.com/pluja/awesome-privacy#reddit

2) https://github.com/Lissy93/awesome-privacy

3) https://github.com/digitalblossom/alternative-frontends

4) https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends

Links to all these github pages cause each includes something that is excluded in other.

[DireWolfM14]

Thank you for bringing this up, I hadn't heard of this wallet before.  After doing a bit of reading I came up with a few questions, but the most critical pertains to this claim:

~Features:

• Genuinely Private: There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers.

The claim makes it sound like you don't need to connect to a server, but how could that be possible?  How do you transact with a blockchain without connecting to a server or a full node?  My admittedly limited knowledge gives me the impression that, technically speaking that is not possible.  Certainly no one is running full nodes for each coin on their mobile device.  That would be impractical.

Then I got to thinking about the semantics of the claim, and that made me a bit suspicious: "There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers."  So a server does exist, but it doesn't log sensitive information?  If so, who's running the server, Horizontal Systems?  Doesn't that make it centralized?

If Horizontal Systems is running the server software, is it available for peer review?  Can I run a server myself?  I don't see a server package listed in Horizontal Systems' GitHub, maybe I just didn't look hard enough.

[Pmalek]

I believe the confirmation status changes to Confirmed after the third block confirmation.  Your suggestion would be great indeed.

That's good enough. 3 blocks deep is already safe enough in my opinion. I wouldn't worry about it.

You know what!  I created a new account to test this out and you are right!  I can not even get a Receiving Address unless I back up my Seed Phrase.  Yet, I can use another Wallet I already have.  Does this mean I have already done the Backup someday?  Now I am so confused!

When did you first install and create your wallet? I played around with Unstoppable back in November/December. Seed backup was needed back then. Maybe you worked with an older version where they didn't have that requirement yet.

~Features:

• Genuinely Private: There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers.

The claim makes it sound like you don't need to connect to a server, but how could that be possible?  How do you transact with a blockchain without connecting to a server or a full node?  My admittedly limited knowledge gives me the impression that, technically speaking that is not possible.  Certainly no one is running full nodes for each coin on their mobile device.  That would be impractical.

Then I got to thinking about the semantics of the claim, and that made me a bit suspicious: "There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers."  So a server does exist, but it doesn't log sensitive information?  If so, who's running the server, Horizontal Systems?  Doesn't that make it centralized?

The most important word here is keeping. Servers exist and you interact with them, but the developers are saying your information doesn't get logged and stored. Despite the wallet's open-source nature, this is not something you can check. I don't think you can. Their servers may or may not be logging everything you do. I wonder how they could prove that isn't the case

[DireWolfM14]

Despite the wallet's open-source nature, this is not something you can check. I don't think you can. Their servers may or may not be logging everything you do. I wonder how they could prove that isn't the case

I see that the wallet is open source, but why isn't the server software available for review, regardless of it's licensing?  Again, I may have missed it while I perusing their GitHub, but I dug fairly deep and didn't see anything relating the SPV server they use to connect wallets to nodes.  Claims of "genuine privacy" and "decentralized" that are not only unsubstantiated, but also used in ways that come off as deceptive makes me nervous.  This is the kind of stuff that breeds distrust in the cryptosphere.

I want to apologies to Husires for not following his local rule; i.e. I did not download, install, or use the wallet app, and I will not until my concerns about these claims are addressed.  Honestly, I'm growing more suspicious of this service, and the pretty website and polished-looking app isn't helping.

[Pmalek]

I want to apologies to Husires for not following his local rule; i.e. I did not download, install, or use the wallet app, and I will not until my concerns about these claims are addressed.  Honestly, I'm growing more suspicious of this service, and the pretty website and polished-looking app isn't helping.

You are asking valid questions, but maybe it would be best to direct those questions to the developers and the people who created the wallet. GitHub is one point of reference, or you could email the team of Horizontal Systems through https://horizontalsystems.io/. If transparency and fairness is important to them, I don't see why they would ignore you and not provide the information you are looking for.

[ABCbits]

~Features:

• Genuinely Private: There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers.

The claim makes it sound like you don't need to connect to a server, but how could that be possible?

As i mentioned earlier, Unstoppable wallet is SPV wallet using BIP 37[1]. It means this wallet connect to random node to obtain necessary data[2-3]. But BIP 37 is outdated and has privacy flaws[4].

[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-ios/issues/3984
[2] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/blob/6684a2d7882b30da5ea530fbd9a0567e8f41f161/fastlane/metadata/android/en-US/full_description.txt#L25
[3] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/blob/6684a2d7882b30da5ea530fbd9a0567e8f41f161/app/src/main/res/values/strings.xml#L788-L801
[4] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP37_privacy_problems

[LoyceV]

Meh, I dislike it, been waiting 10 mins just for it to finish initial sync, why this wait when other wallets show the amounts almost instaneously?

Isn't that just the price you pay for privacy? I once checked a years-old backup of Bitcoin Wallet (on my old phone), and it took days to sync. I'm not sure how it works, but if this means they wallet's server doesn't know my addresses, it's worth the wait.

[Kryptowerk]

This sounds intriguing - will check it out.

Any more user experience reports since last post from January?

I tried to find a list of supported shit-coins and tokens, but their website doesn't seem to give away much.
Their FAQ seems to only talk about Bitcoin, Ethereum and Binance-Chain. In the video I also see Solana, Polygon Dash and a few more, though.

[DaveF]

This sounds intriguing - will check it out.

Any more user experience reports since last post from January?

I tried to find a list of supported shit-coins and tokens, but their website doesn't seem to give away much.
Their FAQ seems to only talk about Bitcoin, Ethereum and Binance-Chain. In the video I also see Solana, Polygon Dash and a few more, though.

Not that I can find. It's still displaying a bunch of coins that you cannot add and everything else is just scroll though the list.
I really don't understand their logic unless there was a lot more planned to happen faster and then it just didn't happen.

But a definitive list, or at least a list with a date of making the list and supported coins at that time would be nice.

I tried it a while ago, and it didn't work for me, tried back in January when I posted and again did not have support for some crap coins I use and I just took a look now and still does not support some basic ones. May check back sooner or later, but if they don't want to bother supporting some popular alts, as I said above it's going to really slow down the adoption of their app as people look for something that does.

-Dave

[Pmalek]

I tried to find a list of supported shit-coins and tokens, but their website doesn't seem to give away much.
Their FAQ seems to only talk about Bitcoin, Ethereum and Binance-Chain. In the video I also see Solana, Polygon Dash and a few more, though.

Yeah, the website is quite useless for that purpose. I see that they added a timeline on the top. Maybe you can follow it into the past to check the release notes to see if they mention which alts they included. They don't have a contact form, live chat or a support ticket. You might find more info on their Discord or reddit channels.

I was interested in trying the wallet due to some USDT I have on Tron, but they don't support that network at all. The only way to know for sure is to install the client and try to find and enable the assets from the list. If it doesn't work, they don't support it.

[Kryptowerk]

This sounds intriguing - will check it out.

Any more user experience reports since last post from January?

I tried to find a list of supported shit-coins and tokens, but their website doesn't seem to give away much.
Their FAQ seems to only talk about Bitcoin, Ethereum and Binance-Chain. In the video I also see Solana, Polygon Dash and a few more, though.

Not that I can find. It's still displaying a bunch of coins that you cannot add and everything else is just scroll though the list.
I really don't understand their logic unless there was a lot more planned to happen faster and then it just didn't happen.

But a definitive list, or at least a list with a date of making the list and supported coins at that time would be nice.

I tried it a while ago, and it didn't work for me, tried back in January when I posted and again did not have support for some crap coins I use and I just took a look now and still does not support some basic ones. May check back sooner or later, but if they don't want to bother supporting some popular alts, as I said above it's going to really slow down the adoption of their app as people look for something that does.

-Dave

Yeah, sad story. Great initial attempt but no follow-through.
I did a little more research (without joining another discord) but this thing seems to be only semi-active and the lack of clear documentation is slightly discouraging at the moment.
Are there any multi-coin open source wallets that are actually running stable with a big support for many coins?

A nice desktop solution would also be interesting.

[bettercrypto]

This is one of the recommended wallets that is good to use because so far I have not had any problems with it. It provides good things when it comes to users who also use it.

        As in affordability, security, censorship resistance and privacy too. So this unstoppable wallet is okay with me
and one of the great options as well.

[virasog]

This is one of the recommended wallets that is good to use because so far I have not had any problems with it. It provides good things when it comes to users who also use it.

        As in affordability, security, censorship resistance and privacy too. So this unstoppable wallet is okay with me
and one of the great options as well.

For users who are using a Trust Wallet, I would recommend switching to the unstoppable wallet. I am not saying tha there is any issue with trust wallet but it's hard to trust 100% on trust wallet 1) because it is closed source and 2) It is owned by Binance and i don't feel comfortable with it.

Previously I was using Trust Wallet for altcoins storage but now i have migrated the majority of my coins from trust wallet to unstoppable wallet. In case, you can afford a hardware wallet, that's best but until you do not have hardware wallet, keep Unstoppable Wallet as your daily driver.

[thepeterson]

Did anyone try the timelock of this wallet? The lock can be cancelled or not?

[dkbit98]

Did anyone try the timelock of this wallet? The lock can be cancelled or not?

I never tried timelock feature on Unstoppable wallet, and I couldn't find more information anywhere on their website.
My suggestion is to contact their support team, unless you are willing to experiment yourself with real coins.
Note that TimeLock in Unstoppable is Experimental feature and maximum amount is limited to 0.5 BTC.

[taufik123]

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I was interested in trying the wallet due to some USDT I have on Tron, but they don't support that network at all. The only way to know for sure is to install the client and try to find and enable the assets from the list. If it doesn't work, they don't support it.

Now for the latest update, you can use the Tron Network in Unstoppable Wallet.
It is already fully Integrated

Code:

TRON SUPPORT

In this release, we finally introduced full support for Tron blockchain. This has been one of the most requested features on our Githab and couldn't be postponed any further.

Unstoppable wallet users are now able to:

- store/send/receive TRX cryptocurrency
- import Tron wallets from other wallet apps
- store/send/receive tokens issued on the Tron blockchain

Expect native TRX staking ability in the coming releases. We might also integrate DEX swap for Tron assets if there is a significant demand for the feature.

Source: https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.33.0

Did anyone try the timelock of this wallet? The lock can be cancelled or not?

I never tried timelock feature on Unstoppable wallet, and I couldn't find more information anywhere on their website.
My suggestion is to contact their support team, unless you are willing to experiment yourself with real coins.
Note that TimeLock in Unstoppable is Experimental feature and maximum amount is limited to 0.5 BTC.

This is indeed an experimental feature in Unstoppable Wallet.
and this Time Lock feature is also part of horizontalsystems Project for Bitcoin Kit.

hodler is a plugin to bitcoincore, that makes it possible to lock bitcoins until some time in the future. It relies on CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY and Relative time-locks. It may be used with other forks of Bitcoin that support them. UnstooppableWallet opts in this plugin and enables it for Bitcoin as an experimental feature.

How it works

To lock funds we create P2SH output where redeem script has OP_CSV OpCode that ensures that the input has a proper Sequence Number(nSequence) field and that it enables a relative time-lock.

Source: https://github.com/horizontalsystems/bitcoin-kit-android/tree/master#hodler

[Pmalek]

My suggestion is to contact their support team, unless you are willing to experiment yourself with real coins.

Are they offering active support somewhere? They have different social media channels like reddit, Discord, and GitHub. That's probably the best way. Their Telegram channel is only for announcements - no support there. I don't remember if there was a live chat option back when I tested the wallet briefly. Another option is to get in touch with the Horizontal Systems team.

Now for the latest update, you can use the Tron Network in Unstoppable Wallet.
It is already fully Integrated

Too bad that they forgot the most important part - swaps between Tron and Tron-based tokens and other cryptocurrencies. It's questionable whether or not it will be added in the future.

[taufik123]

My suggestion is to contact their support team, unless you are willing to experiment yourself with real coins.

Are they offering active support somewhere? They have different social media channels like reddit, Discord, and GitHub. That's probably the best way. Their Telegram channel is only for announcements - no support there. I don't remember if there was a live chat option back when I tested the wallet briefly. Another option is to get in touch with the Horizontal Systems team.

I don't know which support is the most active, but the option to contact via twitter DM, or on Discord so far is usually always active.
Or send some questions or complaints via email.

Too bad that they forgot the most important part - swaps between Tron and Tron-based tokens and other cryptocurrencies. It's questionable whether or not it will be added in the future.

For Tron exchange support is not yet integrated, but exchanges for other tokens on several networks such as ERC20, BEP20, POLYGON, ARBITRUM, OPTIMISM etc.
are already available integrations with DEX 1Inch, Uniswap, Pancakeswap etc.


and in the future, Unstoppable Swallow will also complete integration with DEX Thorchain which allows for decentralized exchange between asset types such as BTC, ETH, LTC, ZEC, BCH, BNB, ERC20, and BEP20.

It seems that there will be many updates in the future, perhaps the addition of BRIDGE will be needed as well.

Send your request to the developers to integrate the DEX Exchange for Tron assets, the more requests, the faster it will be integrated.


Source: https://unstoppable.money/faq

[AprilioMP]

Please reply only after downloading and use that wallet.
You can email the team if there are any bugs or future recommendations.

Finally I chose this wallet that I will use on my smartphone after reading many suggestions.
I have installed the wallet, I have backed up the required 12 words with passphrase.
I still haven't mastered the total knowledge of wallets. So, if later there are problems in use, I will definitely get a solution easily, considering that many people who recommend this wallet have every question about mobile wallets.

Open source, Non-custodial, Private, and support for many coins are the reasons I chose this wallet including available charts to analyze the market.