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January 22, 2023, 03:50:47 PM
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If you treat casinos like any other businesses, there's no rule that the ownership, staff, etc., must be public IMO. For example, you normally don't get to know who is the owner of your regular supermarket, coffee shop, bar, etc. Meanwhile, these places can KYC you if you buy a can of beer, cigarette, and stuff.
You have a point, but we are talking about online and it happens to be a casino where people are putting money, and some gamblers are complaining about getting scammed, by getting the online operators doxxed, they know who to deal with and who they will be posted as scammers and this will harm the reputation of the owners, so far no casino operators undergo KYC to prove that they are the owners and responsible for its operations and actions, and the gambling industry and community are ok with it.


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January 22, 2023, 04:20:48 PM
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I think as long as the casino itself is licensed correctly, you can be sure that the business is legitimate. A KYC of the team itself is less dependable in my eyes than a government approval. And you have to ask yourself who is doing the KYC procedure in the first place and how legit they are. So, KYC is BS.

So if you are worried about that kind of "proof" in order to ensure that the casino you choose is not a scam, then a license, which is government approved and publically verifiable would be a better proof than a "doxx" of members who may or may not be real or not (they may be real people with fake ID and forged government papers in order to hide their real identity.)

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January 22, 2023, 06:25:15 PM
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I think as long as the casino itself is licensed correctly, you can be sure that the business is legitimate.

Like I said earlier, it is not necessary that the casino team must be kyc for all to know who they are. Getting license alone is enough to know that they are legit because only government approved agencies issues license and before that is done, the details of the ownership of the casino is already taken which means that the casino is already kyc and that is enough to go with in confirming that this team or the casino  is legit.  Before a license is issued out by government, verification exercise must have been conducted on the people coming for it. So there is no way government would issue license without knowing whom they are issuing it to and what the license is issued for.



A KYC of the team itself is less dependable in my eyes than a government approval. And you have to ask yourself who is doing the KYC procedure in the first place and how legit they are. So, KYC is BS.

Getting a government approval speaks of great volume than mere kyc which might likely be shabby and turns out to be a scam by which the team are issuing fake kyc just to deceive people on getting them to register on their platform. These are the traps unsuspecting participants fall into and loose their lard earned resources.

So if you are worried about that kind of "proof" in order to ensure that the casino you choose is not a scam, then a license, which is government approved and publically verifiable would be a better proof than a "doxx" of members who may or may not be real or not (they may be real people with fake ID and forged government papers in order to hide their real identity.)
I would prefer a government license for verification since it is verifiable by all than the team giving me a doxx kyc claiming to be genuine kyc.  do not by into that.

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January 22, 2023, 06:26:21 PM
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Hi friends, I am still on the matter of helping a friend who wants to build his own gambling project, the question of the day is about KYC verification, why are popular crypto gambling platforms are not KYC verified themselves? I mean the team behind the online casino why are they not KYC verified and they ask for KYC instead?
As a business online Casino should make it subject to KYC regulations because it's about the customer's money. So that customers can reduce the level of fraud on the casino platform and also try to build customer trust in Online Casino services. Because it is important, there are many issues of corporate fraud that do not have a license.

Actually Making KYC good for Online Casinos is, in fact, increasingly important for casinos to integrate to stay ahead.

The crotch can be seen here https://withpersona.com/blog/the-importance-of-kyc-for-online-gambling
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January 22, 2023, 06:42:29 PM
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Hi friends, I am still on the matter of helping a friend who wants to build his own gambling project, the question of the day is about KYC verification, why are popular crypto gambling platforms are not KYC verified themselves? I mean the team behind the online casino why are they not KYC verified and they ask for KYC instead?

As a business online Casino should make it subject to KYC regulations because it's about the customer's money.

Making online casino ownership  subject to kyc is not the issue and if I may ask what if the kyc turns out to be fake what would you do? Would it not be better you going for a government licensed casino registered and known under a legal jurisdiction than just mere online kyc which you are not sure if the ownership are hiding under pretence to get members registered on their platform and after a while they do away with their customers funds. So which so you prefer?

Actually Making KYC good for Online Casinos is, in fact, increasingly important for casinos to integrate to stay ahead.

One of the things I do check for casinos online these days is the Government issued license to operate within her jurisdiction. That alone can grant me proper verification on that casino to know how legit it is because the Government would not want her citizens or foreign citizens  to get defrauded by fraudsters online claiming to be a legit platform so they would definitely reply you if you do write them to verify anything they issued a license to operate within their jurisdiction.

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January 22, 2023, 06:43:45 PM
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Anyway fast forward to my second question, will a gambling platform be more attractive for users if the team are 100% doxxed?

To be 100% doxxed isn't good for anyone, but it is good for the business when the team shows their real face. I mean they don't have to be doxxed, that could be a risk for them if some sensitive information like their phone or their address is exposed, but if they provide their real name and a photo that would be enough to get the users' trust.

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January 22, 2023, 07:06:14 PM
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Personally, from my experience, several casinos don't just ask users to submit kyc documents, it is the users action that triggers the kyc system..
For example, it's either the user is suspected to be carrying out some illegal activities, like trying to cheat the casino, or maybe the gambler is withdrawing an amount of money, which the casino, under regulatory order, is required to know the gambler, in order to avoid money laundry.

On the order hand, I don't think it's necessary for casino owners to make their identity public, though this casino make the casino gain some quick trust from the gambling community, but doing this could turn out to be a bad idea in the long run considering the fact that crypto regulations and way of taxing is not clear yet most especially..

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January 22, 2023, 10:28:15 PM
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Hi friends, I am still on the matter of helping a friend who wants to build his own gambling project, the question of the day is about KYC verification, why are popular crypto gambling platforms are not KYC verified themselves? I mean the team behind the online casino why are they not KYC verified and they ask for KYC instead?


I think the team are known through their licensing and that in itself is enough KYC, before a casino license is approved, there are certain documents and criteria that the team and operators will provide to the authority and those documents contain all the information that is enough for knowing your customer (KYC).
So casino teams are KYC oriented bit just that their own KYC may differ from that of an ordinary players who want to register on the casino to play a few games

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January 22, 2023, 10:59:10 PM
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It will probably help since this sounds more like a marketing stunt to me. You have to ask if it is worth risking the security of the owners in revealing their identity over the "fairness on KYC". I'm thinking of a $5 wrench attack if a gambler is near the area of the owner.
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January 23, 2023, 12:32:35 AM
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It will probably help since this sounds more like a marketing stunt to me. You have to ask if it is worth risking the security of the owners in revealing their identity over the "fairness on KYC". I'm thinking of a $5 wrench attack if a gambler is near the area of the owner.

$5 wrench attack on the casino owner? For what? It's not like they're walking around with the casino's entire bankroll in their pocket. And let's be real, all physical business owners handling large sums of cash are in the same boat.
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January 23, 2023, 04:30:40 AM
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Hi friends, I am still on the matter of helping a friend who wants to build his own gambling project, the question of the day is about KYC verification, why are popular crypto gambling platforms are not KYC verified themselves? I mean the team behind the online casino why are they not KYC verified and they ask for KYC instead?

Wouldn't it be more fair if they want to stay behind the veil and not as users KYC verification? If they are scared of the law/regulations it makes sense the are verified too, doxxed or something .

Anyway fast forward to my second question, will a gambling platform be more attractive for users if the team are 100% doxxed?
I suppose a small amount of gamblers will care, but this detail does not appear to be critical, what gamblers care about the most are fast withdrawals, a good reputation, a lax attitude when it comes to asking for your personal information, constant bonuses and a fast customer support.

And while there are other aspects which are important those five are the most critical, everything else while important will not change the decision of a gambler to create an account at a casino, and I imagine the owners of the casino being open about who they are is not an important detail in the mind of most gamblers.
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January 23, 2023, 06:33:40 AM
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Hi friends, I am still on the matter of helping a friend who wants to build his own gambling project, the question of the day is about KYC verification, why are popular crypto gambling platforms are not KYC verified themselves? I mean the team behind the online casino why are they not KYC verified and they ask for KYC instead?
It's the question you need to ask who are providing license to them. May be they are KYC verified. There is also the fact of trust too. Normally popular Casinos have already built their trust in the industry, they are paying gamblers for years so no one question the team behind them.

Anyway fast forward to my second question, will a gambling platform be more attractive for users if the team are 100% doxxed?
It surely will be but when you are in crypto it's not always a good idea to public your identity. Crypto is not still officially legal to many country. Law will change and it will effect you. That's the risk.
It will affects the likes of Vitalik Buterin, and others that come out to the public like Cardano CEO for example? Or that's because these projects are Centralised projects?

Can a crypto gambling project be centralized? If a crypto gambling team decides to remain anonymous then why are they requesting KYC from their users? They understand what anonymity means and users wish to remain anonymity as well. They remain anonymous only yo collect users KYC details. Well thank you all for opinions.

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January 23, 2023, 07:45:50 AM
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I think only casino owners have to KYC with regulators because casino owners are responsible for their own casinos. And if something bad happens, say someone is carrying out illegal activities in the casino, the casino owner will be summoned and held accountable for why this happened. For other casino teams, I don't think they need to verify because they are not the owners but the regulator can also ask all members of the casino to do KYC. It depends on the regulator's policy to implement KYC for everyone behind the casino.

What makes a casino famous, has a good reputation and is recommended by many gamblers is that they can serve gamblers who gamble at their place so that the casino can get lots of gamblers who play gambling. This is because the casino can provide the best service for its members, which cannot be provided by a casino that only thinks about profits.

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January 23, 2023, 09:19:50 AM
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Hi friends, I am still on the matter of helping a friend who wants to build his own gambling project, the question of the day is about KYC verification, why are popular crypto gambling platforms are not KYC verified themselves? I mean the team behind the online casino why are they not KYC verified and they ask for KYC instead?

Wouldn't it be more fair if they want to stay behind the veil and not as users KYC verification? If they are scared of the law/regulations it makes sense the are verified too, doxxed or something .

Anyway fast forward to my second question, will a gambling platform be more attractive for users if the team are 100% doxxed?

To have KYC or not for a gambling casino owner its the same things since they still don't have trust score to look forward with since if they scam people they provably do it even if there identity is totally expose. Its just casino owners need to prove that they are running good business by providing quality platform to people who want to test out their casino and then a attentive personal who can help them out to their questions and issues then here they can slowly earn some good reputation to the consumers.

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January 23, 2023, 02:26:53 PM
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Hi friends, I am still on the matter of helping a friend who wants to build his own gambling project, the question of the day is about KYC verification, why are popular crypto gambling platforms are not KYC verified themselves? I mean the team behind the online casino why are they not KYC verified and they ask for KYC instead?
It's the question you need to ask who are providing license to them. May be they are KYC verified. There is also the fact of trust too. Normally popular Casinos have already built their trust in the industry, they are paying gamblers for years so no one question the team behind them.

Anyway fast forward to my second question, will a gambling platform be more attractive for users if the team are 100% doxxed?
It surely will be but when you are in crypto it's not always a good idea to public your identity. Crypto is not still officially legal to many country. Law will change and it will effect you. That's the risk.
It will affects the likes of Vitalik Buterin, and others that come out to the public like Cardano CEO for example? Or that's because these projects are Centralised projects?
Not everyone feel safe to talk about crypto in public. It's a choice they make, most of us on the forum made the choice. Others should be respectful to it.
 

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Can a crypto gambling project be centralized? If a crypto gambling team decides to remain anonymous then why are they requesting KYC from their users? They understand what anonymity means and users wish to remain anonymity as well. They remain anonymous only yo collect users KYC details. Well thank you all for opinions.
They are not asking you to gamble with them. You are going there by your choice. You have options to avoid them.

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January 23, 2023, 05:52:20 PM
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It's the "name" of the company that's KYC'ed imo , not the team behind it. They register under a government and I reckon said government reviews documents that they passed and basically allows the casino to exist after checking whether there's some bad rep or not in the casino. They are scared, trust me, and that's why they do KYC. Otherwise they would've just let them fuck off and not do KYC since they for sure know that their users hate KYC themselves.
Interesting but If it's only the name of the company then that means the members of that company can still run away if they have done something inappropriate but there are really a crypto project who has a doxxed team however this doesn't removed the fact that they can't turned bad anymore. We already have many cases about it. What happened with do kwoon and SBF are a few of it. Not all customers hate KYC and that is why there are still platforms who take the risk and require a KYC.

This is better than if their company won't look legal to the governments. So those who hate KYC and only plays on a non-KYC casino should be wary of that because the platform can be shut down at anytime if ever they are spotted by the governments.

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January 23, 2023, 07:08:43 PM
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All owners and partners do KYC, just not to you or any of their clients. They do it to the government agencies that register the business and give it a license to operate.

If you treat casinos like any other businesses, there's no rule that the ownership, staff, etc., must be public IMO.

In some countries it is a rule. Not all staff has to do KYC, but in the EU, the owner of the business has to register in a public ledger that requires their full name, date of birth, name and location of the business and assigned identification number. You can't have a business without providing this information.

What OP would like to se is all the personal information made public and to be honest if you run a big operation it's almost impossible to hide. You can google the names of owners of the biggest casinos like Stake. It's a problem with smaller, newer casinos, but if that's important to you just use the ones you're comfortable with.
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January 23, 2023, 07:09:12 PM
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It's the "name" of the company that's KYC'ed imo , not the team behind it. They register under a government and I reckon said government reviews documents that they passed and basically allows the casino to exist after checking whether there's some bad rep or not in the casino. They are scared, trust me, and that's why they do KYC. Otherwise they would've just let them fuck off and not do KYC since they for sure know that their users hate KYC themselves.
Interesting but If it's only the name of the company then that means the members of that company can still run away if they have done something inappropriate but there are really a crypto project who has a doxxed team however this doesn't removed the fact that they can't turned bad anymore. We already have many cases about it. What happened with do kwoon and SBF are a few of it. Not all customers hate KYC and that is why there are still platforms who take the risk and require a KYC.

This is better than if their company won't look legal to the governments. So those who hate KYC and only plays on a non-KYC casino should be wary of that because the platform can be shut down at anytime if ever they are spotted by the governments.

Indeed, a doxxed team doesn't guarantee that they won't do anything to screw up their investors or players.
There are so many projects with known identities of their dev teams, and yet, they still manage to abandon or closed down the project.
I don't think it can help a new gambling platform in gaining their players, because it is thru time how they will earn credibility from the community.
Their reputation that they built throughout the years, will be the main reason why a certain casino/bookie will survive in this business.

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January 23, 2023, 07:16:52 PM
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All owners and partners do KYC, just not to you or any of their clients. They do it to the government agencies that register the business and give it a license to operate.
As far as I know you need to do KYC when you need the license for the casino. So with the licensed casino at least you know that you can file a complain against them to the license provider. It's up to the license provider how they judge the merit of the competence. Most of the time they don't care about hearing clients because the casino is important for them not the clients. After all the the casino is giving them the money they need.

Indeed, a doxxed team doesn't guarantee that they won't do anything to screw up their investors or players.
The most legit and profitable business with most transparency today can bankrupt tomorrow. When you are letting others to handle your cash it's not yours until you have it in your wallet.

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January 23, 2023, 08:13:11 PM
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Hi friends, I am still on the matter of helping a friend who wants to build his own gambling project, the question of the day is about KYC verification, why are popular crypto gambling platforms are not KYC verified themselves? I mean the team behind the online casino why are they not KYC verified and they ask for KYC instead?

Wouldn't it be more fair if they want to stay behind the veil and not as users KYC verification? If they are scared of the law/regulations it makes sense the are verified too, doxxed or something .

Anyway fast forward to my second question, will a gambling platform be more attractive for users if the team are 100% doxxed?
It would probably help with trust but it also comes with a security risk. But i am skeptical that revealing just CEO from a big team would help. Especially when that ceo could be totally made up with a made up history and linkedin. And established gambling platforms have zero reasons to do any of that. On the other hand they are required by law to KYC their users. So i don't see it as anything to do with being fair. They are being fair as long as they follow the rules and regulations.

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