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January 22, 2023, 04:47:14 PM
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The lottery is included in gambling, but it has been used by many parties, making it not look like gambling. So those who organize the lottery will not get into trouble related to gambling because they assume they are providing prizes in product and not money. This is different from gambling, where the prize is in the form of money. The government takes a tax from the lottery from the winners because they have to pay fees (say like that) to the organizers have set. So it does not violate the regulations made by the government.

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January 22, 2023, 04:47:52 PM
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it looks like the article should have said "most forms of gambling are prohibited" and not "gambling is considered a criminal offence" because it implies that all forms of gambling are illegal when it clearly is not. also, as dothebeats mentioned, the games that received an exemption from the gambling ban probably have a cultural significance to them.

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January 22, 2023, 04:53:07 PM
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The Japanese government is even smart enough to keep gambling legal and less addictive. Horse races that are held get full control of the government so that for every bet made by gamblers, the government will get some share. which is a tax on gambling done.
There are four general types of sports that are allowed to be used as gambling, namely horse racing, bicycle racing, motorboat racing and asphalt speedway motor racing, these sports are permitted by special laws and regulated by the Japanese government. the four types of sports use the parimutuel betting system, namely the prize pool for gamblers in this race is 70-80% of the total sales. Ticket betting is available at various circuits and ticket booths in many cities.

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January 22, 2023, 04:58:33 PM
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the problem is that playing poker in a casino and making sports bets is not really different, both are games of chance and people can become addicted to both things and they can also lose money in both things, it doesn't make sense to keep saying that they are prohibited games of chance from casinos when they are accepting some games of chance, where is the difference between betting on horses and betting on a soccer game for example

these japan law makers are exaggerating a lot because we know that japan is a country that has crime, has suicide, has sexual violence, has addicts and this is not caused by gambling, so why do they keep banning sports betting?

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January 22, 2023, 05:00:59 PM
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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?


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It would be hypocritical if betting on cycling races under the flag of a government organization would be allowed, but betting on cycling races under the flag of, for example, private companies is prohibited. But there is a clear difference here - I think you understand that a gambler can make 1000 bets per hour on dice (and this is available to him around the clock), but with all his desire he will not be able to make such a number of bets on bicycle races. In addition, they are held much less often than the casino throws the die. I think this is the difference.

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January 22, 2023, 05:09:48 PM
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Not just in Japan though, governments prevent some things to happen before it's too late. The thing with the government is that the illegal today can be deemed legal in the next decade if it favors them. Aren't weed illegal years ago?

Lottery and Horse racing are centralized and regulated by the government and they get money/tax collection from these kinds of gambling. It's much needed for the government to have funds.


Yes, indeed most state governments legalize all gambling activities because of the taxes that are given by the gambling management and the government to use these taxes as a promising source of state revenue.
The gambling business is a business with fantastic profits, so it's no wonder that the taxes that the state receives are not small.
Sometimes the state government will allow some prohibitions to be changed and legalized to become legal with the aim of providing benefits to the country.

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January 22, 2023, 05:20:42 PM
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This is Japan, seeing the increase in gambling addicts in previous years I believe the government there has taken some careful approach and compared some parameters with non-cultural gambling to enact a ban. The exception I think is for the sake of maintaining the sustainability of their local games, and even then there are certain limitations such as the number of visits per period and the rather expensive entrance fee.

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January 22, 2023, 07:01:02 PM
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Ultimately, It's their choice as the government to allow or ban certain things. I agree that most of these bans are ridiculous because they allow some thing of the same type and disallow other, but what can we do? Fortunately, I don't live in Japan. Their laws are sometimes very strange, especially the prostitution and age of consent, but it's a topic for another discussion.

these japan law makers are exaggerating a lot because we know that japan is a country that has crime, has suicide, has sexual violence, has addicts and this is not caused by gambling, so why do they keep banning sports betting?


That's it! They have much deeper and more concerning problems and choose to focus on banning gambling. For instance, they should address the problem of their currency losing value to the dollar.

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January 22, 2023, 07:50:49 PM
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Perhaps, it boils down to what establishment that has a license they allowed to operate though somehow it kinda lost the sense of why making it as a criminal offense when lottery and horse racing are still allowed. There must be some kind of explanation of how they are allowing it while restricting/banning the others.

But if you look at the data on how easily people get addicted to gambling plus the aftereffects of it in a long time gambling isn't healthy anymore to someone especially with their people when they were considered as a hard working people on their country.

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January 22, 2023, 08:06:00 PM
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It was some months ago that I came to this knowledge of gambling being banned in Japan but with some exceptions..
Well, for me, I don't think this is a hypocrisy or something like that, I think the Japan government are actually trying to regulate gambling in their country, they probably do not want private gambling companies in their territory both online and offline, the games which they have placed exceptions on are games the government have total control over I believe, this, I also believe makes it easy for them to totally and effectively make sure that the ban on gambling in the country is upheld and maintained always.

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No country can ban gambling automatically. Even politics is gambling, you win or lose. Gambling is part of human life.
Gambling in Japan From my search on the issue about the subject, I came to the discovery that there are various reasons why the Japanese government allow some games to be ban and some to be played. The once to be allowed is mainly for entertainment purpose and for public viewing.

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January 22, 2023, 08:39:11 PM
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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

This is the reason why there is a saying:  In every rule theres an exemption.  There is an explanation why horse betting and lottery are accepted in Japan.  It is possible that these two gambling may give the government income through taxes and fees. Besides these two gambling can be easily moderated or regulated by the government.  Another thing is that horse racing is probably acknowledged by the Japanese government a cultural tradition since horse racing has been popular in Japan for centuries.

About other forms of betting that are rewarded by in-game currency, they are not considered gambling since the money exchanged is not for cash so they are considered legal.


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The Japanese government allows gambling, but only under strict regulations. The country's leaders believe that it is important to control and regulate the activity in order to prevent negative effects from occurring. This may appear hypocritical to some people, but this is the approach that Japan has chosen to take towards gambling; they have decided to allow certain forms of gambling while strictly prohibiting others as a way to balance potential negative effects against potential benefits. Additionally, many countries have laws that prohibit all forms of gambling except for state-run lotteries and a limited number of tightly regulated land-based casinos. The idea behind this kind of legislation is that the government can better manage the activity and prevent negative effects.

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January 22, 2023, 09:30:46 PM
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Hypocrisy is part of our societies since the beginning until nowadays in every sectors which compose it. You highlighted Japan here, but we could also mention many countries where gambling is forbidden, but the national lotteries are allowed. It really doesn't make sense from a logical point of view, but it makes sense from the point of view the society has its privileged ones, who must have access to opportunities others don't, through monopolies and protectionisms from the government's agents, who by the way must be privileged somehow in counter part as well.

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January 22, 2023, 09:38:01 PM
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I do not think it was hypocrisy, and I think the Japanese government had found these legalized gambling helpful in the economy and that they can have a full grasp of the situation if they regulate it.  One of the reasons why the government is banning gambling is due to the fact that they cannot regulate them in the full extent. 

So I think there are criteria given by the Japanese lawmaker and sport race betting and lottery meet the minimum criteria.

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January 22, 2023, 09:43:04 PM
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I do not think it was hypocrisy, and I think the Japanese government had found these legalized gambling helpful in the economy and that they can have a full grasp of the situation if they regulate it.  One of the reasons why the government is banning gambling is due to the fact that they cannot regulate them in the full extent.  

So I think there are criteria given by the Japanese lawmaker and sport race betting and lottery meet the minimum criteria.

the situation is the same with saudi arabia, gambling is illegal however, they are allowing horse racing and camel racing. maybe, the government can have full control of these games and the racing has been imbedded in their sports history that they can't eradicate.
as the racing is legal to them, they know how to implement protocols that the govt can get benefit out of. but expect that there is black market of other gambling games that the govt can't totally control of.

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January 22, 2023, 09:56:55 PM
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No country can ban gambling automatically. Even politics is gambling, you win or lose. Gambling is part of human life.
Gambling in Japan From my search on the issue about the subject, I came to the discovery that there are various reasons why the Japanese government allow some games to be ban and some to be played. The once to be allowed is mainly for entertainment purpose and for public viewing.
This is in relation to their culture and with their belief, so we can’t do anything about this but to respect their law or else you’ll suffer the consequences. At least in Japan you can still gamble with the other option compare to other country that gambling is a total ban. There’s a good reason for this probably, and Japanese government knows what to do with regards to this as they are more professional compare to other government.
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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?


https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/
I don't know why but many people love to gamble in Asia, it seems to be part of their culture, maybe because religions are not the same as the in the rest of the world which is mostly christian and muslim, and part of their natural personality. But unfortunately gambling can lead to disaster for families. AFAIK Japan is facing hard difficulties with its families because people are getting older and don't make enough children, that's why I understand they want to monitor closely their families and take care of them.

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Every pachinko parlor has its own machines set out how it likes, but most of them are conformed to the industry standard. Apparently, this standard is programmed to give roku wari gaeshi, ie a 60% return rate.

Now, in Las Vegas, most of the slot machines have more than a 90% return rate, so by comparing the two, you can see how your odds of winning are much worse playing pachinko.
The RTP of their legal games is just crazy : 60% it would be called a scam or a rigged game in most of countries.

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January 22, 2023, 10:03:15 PM
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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?


https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/
I don't know why but many people like to gamble in Asia, it seems to be part of their culture, maybe because religions are not the same as the in rest of the world which is mostly christian and muslim and of their natural personality. But unfortunately gambling can lead to disaster for families.
That's true. Asian countries have got the big number of religions with different practices and cultures followed. Every religion have got different practice, tradition, worshipping methods and it goes on. In that aspect games played during the gatherings have later turned to be the gambling games connected to religion and culture.

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?


https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

In Brazil something similar happens.
Gambling here (I'm Brazilian) is prohibited, but the government allows you to play the lottery, allows people to do raffles with real money collection and distribution of gifts or even money, as long as they are supervised by the government.
The only difference is that the bets must have a social cause, they cannot have enrichment as their final purpose.

In fact, it is something quite controversial, and the country never had real control of being able to curb illegal gambling.
An example of what I'm saying is the famous "jogo do bixo" (animal game) that has existed in Brazil for over a undred years (they say it's the biggest illegal game in the world) and can be found in any city in Brazil, you don't even have to hide, the police do nothing... but it's illegal.

A gaming ban is something very controversial, in fact, difficult to understand.

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