This Smells Like Hypocrisy

[rahmad2nd]

According to several sources that I read. Over the past 15 years, the pros and cons of casino legalization have continued to occur in Japan. those who are pros think the legalization of casinos will be a new source of income, especially to attract tourists. but those who are against worry, legalizing it will actually make Japanese citizens addicted to gambling, and the possibility of casinos will become another source of organized crime.

The opposition and most Japanese people worry about addiction. a poll conducted by NHK found that 44 percent of respondents opposed the plan. only 12 percent were in favor, and 34 percent were undecided. so, exactly the same as the Op posted in this thread. Currently, the Japanese government allows betting markets for horse racing, bicycle racing, boat racing, pachinko, pinball. the game is tolerated even though its legal status is still equivocal. thus, as I said previously posted. a government, will not necessarily make a policy without going through the proper procedures.

Finally, as Op shared in this thread. that only a few types of gambling games are permitted by the Japanese authorities. and maybe gradually in time, the policy will be revised and updated to allow other types of gambling.

[blockman]

the reason for that is not because they care about their people and they don't want them to be addicted to gambling

I disagree on this one, Japan is a good country that gives importance to its people, culture, and heritage and that's why it's not just all about being gambling is addictive but they do care for those people that you've mentioned that they don't.
Well, it may be confusing but despite I haven't been there but I'm convinced after watching tons of videos about them and not just all about the place, food, and whatnot but their government is thinking of the people's welfare.

[KTChampions]

I am from the United States and I sure as hell don't think my government is any good, but I just don't understand much of the Eastern part of the world and their laws.  The one thing that pisses me off is Japan trying to be all "moral" when it comes to gambling yet they allow for horse racing which is an extremely cruel "sport" that needs to be rid of, and is already well on it's way here in the United States as people are waking up to it's cruelties.

The farther countries are from each other (in this case, I'm not talking about the economic level, where everything is still more obvious), the higher the cultural differences. It is obvious that Japan and the United States have very little in common in culture if we take the history and not the current global state of affairs. I'm sure a lot of things in the US are just as shocking to the Japanese as some things are to you. By the way, the inhabitants of the United States, too, did not immediately realize that horse racing is a cruel sport? For a long time, this was considered completely normal and did not raise any questions.

[madnessteat]

the reason for that is not because they care about their people and they don't want them to be addicted to gambling

I disagree on this one, Japan is a good country that gives importance to its people, culture, and heritage and that's why it's not just all about being gambling is addictive but they do care for those people that you've mentioned that they don't.
Well, it may be confusing but despite I haven't been there but I'm convinced after watching tons of videos about them and not just all about the place, food, and whatnot but their government is thinking of the people's welfare.

How do they think about the welfare of their people when the citizens of Japan can easily spend all their money on the lottery or the same horse races?

It seems to me that this is not the case here. The government simply understands that they can't control certain types of gambling, so they don't allow it, and those gambling games that are allowed, they make a profit for the treasury. Why would they want to change this if the allowed gambling meets the needs of both parties.

[South Park]

Actually, that can happen because in this case, the government makes policies or regulations regarding gambling. Of course, the government can determine which ones are included in gambling and which ones will not be included in gambling. So it's not surprising if it happened in Japan because maybe the Japanese government has some considerations as to why it's not against the law. Maybe this is because the government oversees the gambling game or maybe it's because this type of game has been around for a long time and has a huge fan base, including high-ranking officials from that government.

I accept your view. Gambling is strictly regulated in Japan and the government wants to ensure that the country is not flooded with many gambling platforms which would increase the rate of addiction. The gambling age in Japan is twenty and all casinos must be duly registered and certified by the government. This stance also has a cultural undertone.  The Japanese always have a way of promoting their culture and values because they don't want to be influenced by external forces. That is why they would only want to permit only gambling that Is not totally in conflict with their cultural beliefs. But I am sure most gambling populations would have known some loopholes in this gambling legislation, which might grant them access to other gambling platforms.

Maybe that's what happened with land casinos in Japan so they implemented such rules to prevent conflict with their pre-existing culture and values. As long as the Japanese government can control the level of gambling in Japan, it will not deviate from the path they have set so that everything can run smoothly without any significant disturbances. The Japanese government seems to have realized the dangers of gambling addiction that can come to the Japanese people themselves and they don't want to see the number or level of gambling addiction increase.

Another possibility of why there is such a strong control of gambling at Japan has to do with the Yakuza, while gambling itself is very old and we find signs of gambling existing very early on the history of human civilization, when it comes to Japan, gambling has being associated with the Yakuza or the groups which originated them for centuries, and it is likely the politicians of Japan thought about such strong regulations to keep the Yakuza away from such a profitable business.

[bittraffic]

I am from the United States and I sure as hell don't think my government is any good, but I just don't understand much of the Eastern part of the world and their laws.  The one thing that pisses me off is Japan trying to be all "moral" when it comes to gambling yet they allow for horse racing which is an extremely cruel "sport" that needs to be rid of, and is already well on it's way here in the United States as people are waking up to it's cruelties.

The farther countries are from each other (in this case, I'm not talking about the economic level, where everything is still more obvious), the higher the cultural differences. It is obvious that Japan and the United States have very little in common in culture if we take the history and not the current global state of affairs. I'm sure a lot of things in the US are just as shocking to the Japanese as some things are to you. By the way, the inhabitants of the United States, too, did not immediately realize that horse racing is a cruel sport? For a long time, this was considered completely normal and did not raise any questions.

In the east, there's cockfighting but is part of thier culture already which I think same with horse races or dog fights.

Despite the difference, everyone has a kind of moral flexibility though. Hypocrisy on each side.
Even those government/state lotteries and those casinos are pretending to allocate revenue to school programs but are making sure the student curriculum does not include probability and statistics otherwise educated people will not gamble.  

[Casdinyard]

Gambling is frowned upon in Japan as far as I know, but not outrightly banned. Although some districts and prefectures are banning gambling entirely, because of the Yakuza connections that most casinos within Japan has. Yakuza can pretty much do whatever the hell they want in Japan, as long as they don't break the law, Horse Racing is a Yakuza-sanctioned sport in Japan, and most bosses there own race horses, funny story, you can't even make a mockery of their horses there coz that will seriously get you killed by the Yakuza, but I digress. It's all about their organized crime group there, and if they want it, they can do it. That is why the government itself isn't really keen on gambling but you'd see illegal gambling houses in Japan's busiest areas.

[348Judah]

Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

As for me, i wouldn't admit that lottery is that kind of gambling of a thing since the government or private organizations can open such opportunity for people to attempts their luck while applying which may not have to really involved application fee and so on, while horse race is as common as other games but accepting only that for gambling seems unprofessional enough since a particular game is allowed allowed while others were not, but they people just have to adapt this kind of situations with the country they finds themselves.

[Finestream]

There are so many reasons that might have prompt this action of Japan Government, to me may be the see it as a misleading and addictive behaviour that can damage the life of their younger generation but if I may advice somany developed countries see gambling as an avenue to make money in the area of tax been generated from the company and also this Business has to be registered in so doing Government get revenue too, so they should as a matter of urgency retrace their step to further review their earlier decision.

Well, gambling in any form could be misleading and addictive once uncontrolled, so people should deal it with discipline. However, when it comes to horse racing or Keiba in Japan, it’s a popular sport that is held every year, so it’s clearly a big part of their culture and tradition. While for lottery, I don’t know that it’s also legal in there, but maybe the taxes from lottery could be a source for infrastructures too that made Japan more progressive.

[Mahanton]

Gambling is frowned upon in Japan as far as I know, but not outrightly banned. Although some districts and prefectures are banning gambling entirely, because of the Yakuza connections that most casinos within Japan has. Yakuza can pretty much do whatever the hell they want in Japan, as long as they don't break the law, Horse Racing is a Yakuza-sanctioned sport in Japan, and most bosses there own race horses, funny story, you can't even make a mockery of their horses there coz that will seriously get you killed by the Yakuza, but I digress. It's all about their organized crime group there, and if they want it, they can do it. That is why the government itself isn't really keen on gambling but you'd see illegal gambling houses in Japan's busiest areas.

If you do have the money and the power and influence then no one could ever touch you even the government which it would really be normal that they would really be making some exemptions basing up into their interest and there's nothing we can do if ever we do make out some argumentation that banning gambling should really be in general or something that would really be including everything but we know that there
are really things which are r eally that in exemption and there's no thing we could do with that.Its their government then it would be totally be depending on them on what are the laws and regulations
that would be imposed whether you do like it or not.

[Sanitough]

Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

There’s always an exception in every banning just like horse racing and motor racing as they are very popular and in demand in Japan and the government is also seeing a lot of profits from it. Same goes with lottery too, though it’s never a part of Japan’s tradition but knowing lottery can be taxed, and in every winner the government also benefit from it, that’s why the government of Japan continue to legalize it instead of banning.

[ethereumhunter]

Actually, that can happen because in this case, the government makes policies or regulations regarding gambling. Of course, the government can determine which ones are included in gambling and which ones will not be included in gambling. So it's not surprising if it happened in Japan because maybe the Japanese government has some considerations as to why it's not against the law. Maybe this is because the government oversees the gambling game or maybe it's because this type of game has been around for a long time and has a huge fan base, including high-ranking officials from that government.

I accept your view. Gambling is strictly regulated in Japan and the government wants to ensure that the country is not flooded with many gambling platforms which would increase the rate of addiction. The gambling age in Japan is twenty and all casinos must be duly registered and certified by the government. This stance also has a cultural undertone.  The Japanese always have a way of promoting their culture and values because they don't want to be influenced by external forces. That is why they would only want to permit only gambling that Is not totally in conflict with their cultural beliefs. But I am sure most gambling populations would have known some loopholes in this gambling legislation, which might grant them access to other gambling platforms.

Maybe that's what happened with land casinos in Japan so they implemented such rules to prevent conflict with their pre-existing culture and values. As long as the Japanese government can control the level of gambling in Japan, it will not deviate from the path they have set so that everything can run smoothly without any significant disturbances. The Japanese government seems to have realized the dangers of gambling addiction that can come to the Japanese people themselves and they don't want to see the number or level of gambling addiction increase.

Another possibility of why there is such a strong control of gambling at Japan has to do with the Yakuza, while gambling itself is very old and we find signs of gambling existing very early on the history of human civilization, when it comes to Japan, gambling has being associated with the Yakuza or the groups which originated them for centuries, and it is likely the politicians of Japan thought about such strong regulations to keep the Yakuza away from such a profitable business.

Maybe so because I think that if it is related to the Yakuza, there is a possibility that the Japanese government already knows that the Yakuza also have an underground gambling business that the government doesn't know about, so they want to track down and know the location and who is behind it. But it won't be easy for the Japanese government to find out so they feel the need to make regulations regarding the types of gambling that are legal according to the government.

[Fundamentals Of]

What's so hypocritical about it? Isn't the government free in choosing which gambling games are allowed and which are not? Does the government have to take everything all-in or black and white? I think they don't have to either put a blanket ban on gambling or allow all of them to operate. They don't have to make a single stand. They could actually choose which ones are worth allowing and which ones are not. And this is not unique in Japan. Other countries also have these inconsistencies. And they're fine.

[len01]

Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

more precisely the government also wants to share the benefits of it all. but I'm sure in a country where gambling is prohibited, but the gambling party gives tax money to the government, it will definitely run smoothly.
sometimes the government is like that, it seems as if it prohibits gambling, but in the end they ask for a share of the results of the gambling. lots of countries that prohibit gambling but when horse racing is held by the government it will definitely be legalized, because they get benefits from it.
so that problems like this have actually existed for a long time and are sometimes considered normal. it's a bit hypocritical but we can't go against the government and can only follow the rules. but rules are made to be broken, IMO

and eventually everyone will move from in-person gambling to online gambling to avoid government bans.

[QueenVera]

I'm not a Japanese but I think one of the things the Japanese government is trying to fight against by banning gambling is some of the negative reports such as bankruptcy and suicide cases associated with gambling as a result of losing all of ones savings.
Horse racing, bike racing and all of them racing been accepted by the government has lesser possibility of sending one bankrupt and at some point I believe there might be some restrictions on the amount one can wager a day on those races and I've always known the japanses government as one of the government that looks after it's citizens to the very least( just my opinion), so I really don't see this as hypocrisy.

[Solosanz]

What's so hypocritical about it? Isn't the government free in choosing which gambling games are allowed and which are not? Does the government have to take everything all-in or black and white? I think they don't have to either put a blanket ban on gambling or allow all of them to operate. They don't have to make a single stand. They could actually choose which ones are worth allowing and which ones are not. And this is not unique in Japan. Other countries also have these inconsistencies. And they're fine.

Yep, usually they're ban a particular thing because their citizens suffer more problem when gambling on slots, while horse racing and lottery are fine enough for their citizens. Based on this article [1] it seems horse racing might be a good source of income for Japan on the 1860s, which mean they're respect about it and maybe it's of a way how Japan can become developed country. While lottery it's might be similar with giveaway which is fine.

[1] https://www.theplaidhorse.com/2021/08/02/horse-racing-betting-in-japan-risks-and-opportunities/

[Porfirii]

Japanese culture, because of their unique location and unconventional History, is like no other in the world. That's what makes the visitor fall in love, but it also generates rejection in a large part of the population of foreign countries.

Let's don't forget, for instance, that it is forbidden to show genitals... in porn! I guess that it is difficult to understand many Japanese rules if you are not native.

[AicecreaME]

I've read that sports betting, horse-racing and other three events tied to entertainment are now allowed in Japan. It was stated that these events are usually held by the government which in this case, it seems to me that they are after the regulation and the welfare of their citizens together perhaps with interest in mind to collect taxes. Japan is one of those countries in which you will really see how discipline they are. Maybe this is the reason why their government don't permit other types of gambling because they deem it necessary to prevent their constituents losing their values and principles in getting addicted.


Those gamblers who want an outdoor fun would definitely be on disadvantage because they can't enjoy casino games and the likes. Good thing is that they can have an alternative which is gambling online just to satisfy their urge to gamble if they really want to. However, the ambiance and experience wouldn't be in par in gambling in actual casino. But I think it's still much better than being unable to do nothing at all.

[xSkylarx]

What's so hypocritical about it? Isn't the government free in choosing which gambling games are allowed and which are not? Does the government have to take everything all-in or black and white? I think they don't have to either put a blanket ban on gambling or allow all of them to operate. They don't have to make a single stand. They could actually choose which ones are worth allowing and which ones are not. And this is not unique in Japan. Other countries also have these inconsistencies. And they're fine.

Yep, usually they're ban a particular thing because their citizens suffer more problem when gambling on slots, while horse racing and lottery are fine enough for their citizens. Based on this article [1] it seems horse racing might be a good source of income for Japan on the 1860s, which mean they're respect about it and maybe it's of a way how Japan can become developed country. While lottery it's might be similar with giveaway which is fine.

[1] https://www.theplaidhorse.com/2021/08/02/horse-racing-betting-in-japan-risks-and-opportunities/

So they study well on what games they need to banned like slots or other card games as it is very addictive to their country? Those games that they haven't banned are addictive also but because of their culture and history, they really respect those games like horse racing and also the lottery their government and society can benefit from it as the tax on it can greatly help them as well as the one who won on lottery. But still, I don't want this to be implemented in my country if ever, I want to play all gambling games lool.

[darewaller]

I am also shocked by this as they banned those other gambling games as they can be addictive but what Ive found reading and searching is that horse races have a long history for them so it means it is already their culture and they are doing this, the same with other games like a lottery as the government earn money from it for their country. Though they said that it is for entertainment purposes I don't see a reason why other games are banned and those types of games are not.

If it's really addictive and many citizens are affected then one of the main solutions to combat the issue is to ban those games. In some countries they also do that even though those games are originally made by them. There is no exception. It was only gambling but what important is the condition of the people. There are still games or activities other than gambling which are also entertaining.

We can live peacefully without gambling trust me. It's only hard at the start but later on, we will get used to it. Even though they say that it's only used for entertainment purposes, there are people who still can get addicted with it. Video games for instance but a certain title of video games are also/already being banned.